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3G Waves Causes Headaches, Sharpens Memory

jonknee writes "MobileTracker noted that an interesting study on 3G cellular networks has been released out of Amsterdam. The findings were that exposure to 3G waves can cause headaches and nausea (conventional cellular service doesn't have these effects). It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!"

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  1. Outstanding by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next time I have to take a test, I'll carry an old motorola briefcase phone with me and Make sure it is sending and recieving.

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  2. alertness by avandesande · · Score: 3, Interesting

    could be the bodies reaction to brain damage.

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    1. Re:alertness by Threni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could be the heat making blood and other chemicals fire quicker. However, I'm reminded of the short story `Flowers for Algernon`...

    2. Re:alertness by slykens · · Score: 5, Funny
      could be the bodies reaction to brain damage.

      Yes, you see, it is true the brain is like a herd of buffalo.

      You see, a herd of buffalo can only move as fast as its slowest members. When those members are killed the entire herd moves faster. So when (alcohol, 3G RF, other substances) kill off the slower brain cells the entire brain operates more efficiently!

      Speaking realistically, however, I occasionally have the opportunity to visit a building roof mounted cell site and when I do I always come away with a very dull headache. This is an 800 MHz primarily but there is some 1900 MHz there too.

    3. Re:alertness by skaffen42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that homeopathy doesn't work. Never has. Never will.

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    4. Re:alertness by soulsteal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been using a cell phone for the last few years and I don't feel dain bramaged at all.

    5. Re:alertness by mrtroy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I disagree here.

      My strategy has always been to use large quantities of alcohol to put a survival of the fittest in my brain.

      The more you drink, the better this idea gets.

      It does not help you do well in exams - dont listen!

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  3. Whoo Hoo! by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times

    Screw studying for that test, I'm going to talk to my friends on my cell phone all night!

  4. Brain Tumours by Brahmastra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the same story on yahoo.
    The article says that no scientific evidence exists for a link between 2G signals and brain tumours. But, what about 3G signals? If they can cause headache and nausea, I think you can reasonably expect it to have other effects such as malignant tumours. It's time to take a step back and study 3G more before massive deployment. There is no pressing need to surf porn or whatever faster on your cellphone.

    1. Re:Brain Tumours by lordpixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > If they can cause headache and nausea,
      >I think you can reasonably expect it to have other
      >effects such as malignant tumours

      Wow. Turning myself upside down for 2 minutes can give me headaches and nausea. So can drinking beer!

      I must "reasonably expect" those to give me brain tumours too!

      Seriously though, there may or may not be a more serious problem than headaches, but there's precisely no evidence of that being presented, is there? (by the sounds of it, there's so few details no one can definatively say anything)

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    2. Re:Brain Tumours by ukyoCE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dont know if being upside down or drinking beer will cause tumors, but if you did either for as long every day as people are subjected to wireless signals you'd fuck yourself up pretty badly.

  5. ug... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!"

    Now if I could only remember I left my cell phone...

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  6. Talk and drive by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like the idea that using a cell phone is detrimental to driving performance is faulty. Since Reaction times are dramatically improved, I expect that within a few years you will be required to use a cell phone while driving.

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    1. Re:Talk and drive by Walterk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, almost right. The distration of talking to someone more than compensates for any increase in reaction time. Instead what will be mandatory will be at least 3 passengers all babbeling their heads off (preferable female, as they have superious talking performance) to other people on mobile phones, while you are free to concentrate on the road with your enhanced reaction time.

  7. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by hanwen · · Score: 3, Funny
    With all that weed smoked in Amsterdam, they can do with all the brain sharpening they can get!

    bollocks, it's all those bloody tourists getting high.

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  8. So you remember you need to get to the meeting,... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    but you're too dizzy and unstable to make it. So you call in instead, using your 3G cellular phone.

    GENIUS!

  9. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by lanswitch · · Score: 2, Funny
    Right now i'm nauseaus and I feel a headache coming on. It culd be because I'm near Amsterdam with all its "radio-activity", because of "all the weed" I smoked today, or because of the sillyness of your remark. I'm off to puke while you make the decision.

    btw is that jealousy I sense?

  10. So, where's the study? by terrencefw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ummm... the link's to a Wired article that doesn't say any more about the study than the Slashdot story does. Is the actual study available anywhere?

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    1. Re:So, where's the study? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here you go: a management summary of the study, and more about the tests. Both in Dutch only, sorry.

      The complete study can be found on the website of the Ministry of Economic Affairs, here. This one's in English; don't be fooled by the Dutch management summary that is included at the start of the document.

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    2. Re:So, where's the study? by ruudn · · Score: 2, Informative

      TNO Report (english, pdf)

      click on 'Onderzoek'

      Not giving the direct link to prevent their server from going down (it's a 1.8 MB file)

      Ruud

    3. Re:So, where's the study? by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Is the actual study available anywhere"

      Not yet published. This is the kind of short-circuiting of peer review that starts to get silly after a while.

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  11. Headaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...can cause headaches and nausea (conventional cellular service doesn't have these effects)

    Obviously the writer of this article has never dealt with Verizon (or many other telecomm companies).

  12. Doh... by Storebj0rn · · Score: 5, Funny
    There is no hash in UMTS, only CRC's.

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  13. Amsterdam by nitz7978 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is yet another symptom of "3g" the munchies?

  14. I, for one... by pope1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Welcome our Cellular Network Enhanced Overlords.

    *ahem*

    On a serious note, were the results of this study
    pusblished in any credible medical journal?

    Cell phone *sharpens* the senses? Seems just a little crazy to me.

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    1. Re:I, for one... by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Cell phone *sharpens* the senses? Seems just a little crazy to me.

      Heating the brain a little is how it does it. Some of the body's subsystems work more efficiently when warmer than normal operating temperature (that's what a fever is: your body optimizing for fighting infection). Unfortunately, the optimal temperature is not the same for every subsystem, which is why the normal overall blood temperature is 37C. And there's no feedback between the subsystems: to fight infection, your immune system doesn't care if it damages your brain - that's why we cool the heads of people with fevers. So while one part of your brain may work better when a little warmer, there's no telling what the long term effects might be on other parts.

    2. Re:I, for one... by hankwang · · Score: 2
      > Heating the brain a little is how it does [sharpen the sense].

      The (Dutch) summary given by the researchers says:

      The TNO study has been carried out with low field strengths, comparable to those from a base station to which one can maximally be exposed to in daily situations. Computer calculations show that it is unlikely that the statistically significant effects, as found in this study, are of thermal origin.
      Note: "low field strengths" means "low comparable to the high strengths in the case you are holding a phone next to your ear", according to the paper.

      The paper mentions statistically significant effects on 72 persons. That must be pretty big differences. However, the paper nowhere mentions whether the experiment was actually (double)-blinded. TNO is a reputable organization, but I wouldn't take the conclusions for granted without reading the details of the study. A few years ago, a brand of liquid laundry detergent announced in a TV commercial that this detergent was better than all the others according to a TNO study. The ad didn't mention that the study only compared liquid detergents, which are overall worse than powder-type detergents.

    3. Re:I, for one... by MCZapf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummmm, the temperature where vira die is probably more like 200 degrees (Fahrenheit), rather than 100.

  15. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmmm, that's interesting, one would thing the residual IRQ going over the PCI would cancel out the WTF that allows people to RTFM, that being the primary cause of people wondering what the heck others just said.

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  16. Link to the report (in Dutch) by DeBaas · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.tno.nl/nieuws/archief/documenten/tno_fe l_report_03148mu.pdf

    TNO is the Dutch equivalent of the German TUV if I'm not mistaken. A very respected institute in the Netherlands

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    1. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by jeorgen · · Score: 3, Funny
      TNO is the Dutch equivalent of the German TUV if I'm not mistaken. A very respected institute in the Netherlands

      Not everyone on slashdot may know what the TNO and TUV is. To clarify it is the Dutch and German equivalent to the Swedish SIS.

      :-)

      /jeorgen

    2. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by photonic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Short translation:
      -Two groups of people: 36 who had previously complained about GSM base stations and 36 who didn't.
      -Persons where tested with cognitive tests while being subjected to EM field of GSM/UMTS base-station. Fields where relatively low, comparable to a normal daily exposure (I guess in case you live near a base-station, not like when you stick your head in the antenna).
      -Statistical relevant relations were found between precense of field and 'experienced well-being' and 'results of mental tasks'.
      -Calculated thermal effects are probably to small to be significant.
      -Results are not well understood, more research needed.

      Complot theory:
      They probably measured nothing and just want money for a follow up experiment.

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  17. Re:Amsterdam?? by bruthasj · · Score: 2, Funny

    No. It's under the limit heroine of course! Get it now for 9.99 in a special offer that will also enlarge your penis!

  18. 3G vs. 2G by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It has nothing to do with 2G over 3G as a technology in itself. It has to do with power levels and high frequencies. Meanining a 2400bps chanell at 30Ghz and an EIRP of 60dbw will mess you up pretty bad while an 11Mbps 802.11 17dbm at 2.4Mhz would not hurt you.

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  19. Good and the Bad by mindshadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the movie Phenomenon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117333/) to me... great powers and whatnot, but then you only get laid once and die of a brain tumor... no thanks.

  20. RTFA by $eRvmanIO · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see...

    The study, the first of its kind, tested the impact of radiation from base stations used for the current mobile telephone network...

    That's exactly what I do everyday...I hang around cell phone towers everyday to sharpen my memory and response times!

    Riiiigghht

    1. Re:RTFA by bo0ork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, in case you haven't noticed, cell phone antennas get put up on buildings, and beam right into people's bedrooms. Not intentionally, of course, but since it's not proven dangerous (to the minds of the cellphone companies), they don't give a shit anyway.

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  21. Different modes for different uses by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is the higher bandwidth needed for voice communication, which is when you are holding the device to the side of your head? Shouldn't the phone be smart enough to fall back on some slower connectivity for voice, and only use the higher speed network for data access? At least you aren't holding the thing next to your brain when you are surfing the web or using it for PDA / laptop connectivity, which is when the bandwidth is needed.

    Dan East

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  22. Fools! by kinnell · · Score: 4, Funny

    You all laughed at me and my tinfoil beanie, but who's laughing now? Eh? Eh?

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  23. Re:They must be talking to my ex-girlfriends... by Bendebecker · · Score: 4, Funny

    It also sharpens my memory... I remember why I broke up with them!

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  24. But why! by DigitalBubblebath · · Score: 2, Funny

    However, cognitive functions such as memory and response times were boosted by both 3G signals and the current ones, the study found.

    Well fair enough then. That might be true, but I do wonder how and why they decided to test that.

    "Nausea, headaches, loss of appetite ... check.
    Abandonment of self-awareness and general consideration in public places ... check
    Ability to memorise deck of cards ... check
    Limb mutation .. uhh ... check"

  25. I am A FricKin JEAN-YUS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    After reading this article, I have attained super-smarts by poining my Airport Extreme Cantenna directly at my frontal lobes.

    I'm getting a nice tan and I know the theories behind it! Wow - did you guys know that you can look at the sun and get the same effect? I have also discovered that my reaction time to getting modded down has been reduced to mere minutes!

    This is truly a golden age, and not some wireless corporation's self-serving sponsored study. Say that 10 times fast - I can!

    I can fly too - you guys gotta try this!!

  26. Great.. More junk science.. by brain1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great - they're at it again. There is absolutely no proven link between the minute RF field radiated by a handset and health problems. Basically there is too little energy for measurable tissue heating, the electromagnetic field is too weak to induce currents in the brain proper.

    What everyone seems to forget is the fact we live in an ocean of pretty powerful RF energy that ranges from VLF (very low frequency) up to the microwave region (SHF). Every time you turn on an appliance you are exposing yourself to magnetic and RF fields magnitudes greater than that of a cell phone handset. Drive past a broadcast station and you're exposed to a field density measured in volts per meter, not millivolts. To put it perspective, your common FM broadcast station operates between 5 and 100 kilowatts ERP (effective radiated power). A television transmitter can operate up to 2-4 Megawatts of ERP. Where is the uproar over that?

    Your common cellphone operates at a modest 3 watts (for car-mounted 800 mhz units) to a puny .1 to 100 milliwatts for the hand-held PCS units. That's barely enough to dimly light a flashlight bulb.

    Remember these facts: You live in an ocean of electromagnetic energy. A bolt of lightning radiates tremendous RF energy. Mother earth gives off VLF emissions herself. The sun bathes you in RF in the microwave region. And have you cleaned those gaskets around the door of your microwave oven? It operates at 800 to 1000 watts of power at 2.4 GHz. All it takes is a grungy gasket or a bent door and your taking on watts of very effective heating.

    I am the holder of a First Class FCC license, an Extra Class amateur license, and have worked with broadcast, land mobile, fixed service, radar, and amateur radio for decades. I have never experienced, nor have I ever encountered anyone who has experienced a health related problems for working in a high RF field. People are more likely to be injured from high voltage, burns, and mechanical means.

    Please stop trying to get funding by spreading this faux academic nonsense. Quit manipulating data to make yourselves look right and then run out and cry the sky is falling. We're all tired of this and have heard quite enough.

    1. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Troed · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I work in the telecom industry. Last year when I started an assignment at one of the 3G-equipment manufacturers (where there is an active 3G network) I started having problems feeling "blanked out" in the afternoons. I couldn't explain it, tried different eating habits, excercising and working out. No go. When that assignment ended, the problems ended.

      I'm now on an assignment where I work with 3G again - and while I still feel the same way occassionally, it's not as bad. It _does_ happen though - and up until today when I saw this piece of research I hadn't even thought about 3G being the culprit (I, as you, know that we live in an ocean of radiation already).

      It's a nice explanation that fit what I've experienced myself though. In addition the feeling "blanked out" (sorry, it's hard to describe) my migraine did/has also gotten worse (at least once a week I go home from work with a migraine attack in the works. Sometimes more often).


      Idiotic replies not welcome - if you don't have migraine you have no idea ...

    2. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is this junk science? A reputable institution performed a double-blind test of new equipment, and found it to have statistically meaningful effects. They acknowledged that the old cell towers were not harmfull to people, and even used them as a control (or baseline) to compare these new towers against. They acknowleged that they have no proof of perminant damage, and recomend that indepenant research be done to verify and extend their own. This sounds like a text-book example of good science to me.

      These tests were not about handsets, and they made no claims that handsets were dangerous. The only effect that this study might have is in determining the placement of towers, so people don't have to spend large amounts of time in their immediate proximity. For example, in rural area many cell towers have been placed in church steeples because they are high points, and it is less expensive and less ugly than building a tower. Now, it would be nice to know if these new base stations will have an unplesent effect on people before they are installed.

      It is really the media, not the institutions, that are to blame for the unjustified hysteria, which resulted in needing to do more work than necissary to quell peoples concerns. But I for one am glad that studies have been done to show that cell phones are safe, and am glad for new studies when new equipment comes out. Emperical data is always good, and assuming that there is no possibility that different RF techniques can have different effects than the ones we are familiar with is almost as bad unbased claims that new technology will cause cancer. (Althogh not as bad as saying that old, tested technology does)

    3. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by rnd() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How does the rubber gasket on a Microwave Oven door block RF? I'm also an Extra Class ham and that'd be a new concept for me.

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    4. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are bit premature in judging that this study is valid.

      As you probably already know, science works by verification and reproducibility. A single lab is making a conjecture based on "surveys". Unless the results can be replicated by an independent lab, we cannot be certain of anything.

      And I wouldn't put too much on "double-blind" claims. There are many papers that claim double-blind methods but in closer inspection the claim fails (one of the most recent example is the one about how prayer actually helped healing). Again, unless it is verified and replicated, it does not mean much.

      Is it Junk Science? Maybe maybe not. What is junk is for media to claim that something is true based on a single unverified, non-corraborated) study.

  27. Part of the reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are other intracellular effects to be sure, but as is the case with many different types of EMF exposure, calcium ion transport is greatly affected (increased).

    Long-term systemic effects of this activity are unkown- It could be trivial, or the situation could be an analogue to the introduction of DDT in the previous century, when the substance was considered safe and effective- Measured evidence to the contrary wasn't presented for many years, and then in the face of great controversy.

    The bottom line is that anyone who makes a definitive stand one way or another is a fool.

  28. How close were the people to the base stations? by cyberformer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Base stations can be dangerous things, but the received radiation diminishes very rapidly with distance (inverse square law). That's why it's critical to know just how far away the people were from the base stations, and the news reports don't say this.

    If you hold your head directly in front of a microwave transmitter (even a 2G one), you're going to experience some bad effects. If you stand at the bottom of a hill and the transmitter is on top, you should be okay.

  29. That old argument is/has always been wrong. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Informative
    But don't feel bad. It's the same one the Air Force was selling to its soldiers who worked the early radar arrays, and its the first line of defense which was adopted and which has been used ever since by big business and the government. The argument being, "If the power is too low to cause damage through heating, then there is no danger."

    If only this were true!

    There is a mountain of science which has recognized the following. . .

    1. Biological nervous systems are electrochemical in nature. This is why EEG scanners work; they are able to pick up on EM activity generated by the brain. This being the case, electromagnetic signals MUST be able to also cause an effect. --To be very blunt, speakers and microphones are interchangeable.

    2. There are documented mechanisms through which low power, non-ionizing EM fields can affect the function of the nervous system.

    3. Very small currents are all that are needed to causes these effects.

    4. High frequency signals which are modulated to replicate lower frequencies, (As seen in Cell phone technology), are sufficient to cause effects.

    5. The ocean of EM we live in DOES have an effect. Sleep, reproductive and various other biological cycles have been shown to be deeply affected, and often reliant upon ambient EM from the Earth and sky.

    Here's an article with some photos of slices of brain tissue taken from rats exposed to cell phone EM. The effects are real.


    -FL