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Apple Releases Updated iCal 1.5.1

An anonymous reader writes "iCal 1.5.1 is easier and faster use with its enhanced Info Drawer, To Do alarms and notes, and more keyboard short cuts. iCal 1.5.1 also includes improved time zone support and personalized calendar colors. You can visit the iCal homepage. Also, if you synchronize you'll need the latest iSync 1.2.1 for it to work with the new iCal." You can also update via Software Update, of course, and you need to update iCal before iSync.

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  1. Software update by Mark+Hood · · Score: 4, Informative

    will automatically present you with them in the correct order - i.e. when you first update it ONLY shows you iCal.

    Next time, you'll get the chance to download iSync.

    Neither needs a reboot.

    Mark

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    1. Re:Software update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It started with the iMac, released in 1998. At the time, "i" stood for "Internet." It was called that because it was designed to be a computer for home Internet use, and that was pretty much it: no floppy drive, no serial ports, no SCSI, but an Ethernet port, a built-in 56 kbps modem, and bundled Earthlink software.

      The iMac was an amazing success. It sold like hotcakes, both to home users and, surprisingly, to small businesses. The compact size and zero hassle were big selling points to business customers who didn't want to waste time or money on IT support.

      Apple capitalized like crazy on the iMac brand, even going so far as to name Steve Jobs "iCEO," "i" for "interim." In 1999 came the iBook--the iMac/PowerBook hybrid--and it just took off from there.

      Now, the "i" brand has come to symbolize ease of use and friendliness. The initial lower-case letter is disarming; it's friendly and inviting. Come play with me, it says. Let's have some fun.

      That's where the "i" brand came from, and what it means today.

    2. Re:Software update by SYFer · · Score: 1

      Mr. or Ms. Coward, that's a hell of a fine piece of copywriting! If you aren't already in the business (or even working in Cupertino), you should be. Good information well presented. Thanks!

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  2. Drop the drawers... by Incongruity · · Score: 4, Interesting
    iCal 1.5.1 is easier and faster use with its enhanced Info Drawer

    No it's not.

    I really don't see the value in having a "drawer" that isn't always attached to the primary (calendar) window but is there often enough that I have to keep that main window smaller in order to see the drawer when it is there. The alternative is to move the window because the drawer appears all but off-screen when I double click on any item/appointment in the calendar. (it used to bring up a small window that could be moved/resized inpendent of the main window.) I don't see the UI wisdom in forcing this on people -- there's no pref. to use to old windowing style and that is a real flaw, IMHO.

    -tcp

    1. Re:Drop the drawers... by kwerle · · Score: 1

      After using it for about 30 seconds, I have to agree. Hopefully there will be enough noise that Apple will "un-fix" this.

    2. Re:Drop the drawers... by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I prefer the drawer. The pop up window was an annoyance, particularly because you couldn't see enough information. First you type in the info, then you click the pop-up menu to set the alarm, and then you click the popup menu to write a note. Inputing a meeting was a six step process. Now, with the drawer, I can see all the info at once, without dealing with that floating window. And, it doesn't use up more desktop space.

      Of course, I've got a 17" PowerBook, so I've already got a surplus of desktop space anyway.

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    3. Re:Drop the drawers... by greenhide · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, well, they could always have gone ahead and made a pop-up window with the same layout as the info drawer.

      I hate slide out drawers. They're not intuitive at all. They're eye candy based. That's my main gripe with Camino -- bookmarks and history have to be accessed from a side drawer.

      It breaks the system because you either have to purposefully make your window narrower, or the side bar will be offscreen when it "pops up" (or out, rather). Also, because it's on the side, it doesn't have a featured focus. When I first tried adding an event using 1.5, I doubled clicked to create an event, and wondered why the info window wasn't showing up. Because the drawer was opening to the side, I didn't notice it because I wasn't looking for it. In any case, most of the drawer was offscreen, because I didn't know that I was supposed to provide space on the left for it to show up.

      If someone can give me an example of a side drawer that really makes sense and is more useful than a floating pop-up window, please let me know.

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    4. Re:Drop the drawers... by eoyount · · Score: 1

      I love the drawer in Mac's Mail program. It keeps all of my folders and email accounts right at my fingertips. Since I leave it open all the time, I don't have the issue with it popping out the side of the screen, though.

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    5. Re:Drop the drawers... by greenhide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, yeah....I was just realizing that I use the "mailboxes" window all the time in Eudora, which is *kind of* like a drawer.

      However, in both of these cases, it's being used for navigation and organization, much like a finder listing. In those cases, it makes sense. I don't think it makes sense when you're looking at a single item.

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    6. Re:Drop the drawers... by switcha · · Score: 1
      Agreed. Unless they can implement the auto-resize of the main window to accomodate the drawer (a la, camino), don't even bother.

      Personally, I rarely catagorize entries, nor need to use the little macro-calendar in the bottom left. I would like to see the whole left side section be collapsible. If I had that real estate back, I wouldn't mind the drawer on the right. FYI, 14" iBook, and annoyed at drawers size...

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    7. Re:Drop the drawers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it makes a drawer makes sense for something that remain (generally) always open but should be visually "detached" from the window. That's the case for Mail, that's the case for Acquisition, that's the case for iCal (I remember that my info window, back in 1.0, was always open but was really annoying because it did not follow correctly my window and was genereally always on top of... my calendar window).

      Still drawers suffer from some bugs (in particular resize bugs as many have mentionned). I'm not sure if this is an OS issue or a "per App" behavior we need there.

    8. Re:Drop the drawers... by Tombstone-f · · Score: 1

      The main problem, for me at least, is not the drawer but the resolution of most of apples machines. 1024X768 is much too small in my opinion.

      Anyway, as far as Camino goes, it hasn't used a drawer in quite a while. The bookmarks and history work similar to safari. That might be in the nightly builts, though. Of course it's gotten much better since .7

    9. Re:Drop the drawers... by k_187 · · Score: 1

      That's my main gripe with Camino -- bookmarks and history have to be accessed from a side drawer.

      FYI, that's been changed in recent releases. They made the old bookmarks sidebar act more like the bookmark thing in Safari. Its really pretty nice.

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    10. Re:Drop the drawers... by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Is that a fairly stable release? Which release should I go for?

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    11. Re:Drop the drawers... by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a 12" iBook and the drawer needs to go on a diet before I will date it.

    12. Re:Drop the drawers... by Alex+Thorpe · · Score: 1

      I also have to agree. I'm still using a 15" CRT, and the slide out window doesn't work well when the iCal window is normally full screen. It's a little better with the To-Do list window turned off, but it still makes everything cramped. Time to use that "Provide iCal Feedback" option.

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    13. Re:Drop the drawers... by EricHsu · · Score: 1
      I agree with everyone about how annoying the slide-out window is. We need either (1) an option to make it a popup window again, or (2) for the calendar to auto-shrink if the drawer pops off the screen side.

      It's keeping me from switching from Palm Desktop, which I'd dearly love to do. (That old rebranded Claris Organizer is still a solid old bugger of a program.)

      Also, I can't figure out how to color-code my Palm categories. Palm Desktop, for instance, lets you specify all Travel events as Blue and Work meetings as Green, etc. As far as I can tell, the Palm can only sync to one calendar, which means one color. Am I the only one who uses this color coding?

    14. Re:Drop the drawers... by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      What? When you slide out the drawer in Camino the window automaticly gets narrowed down just enough for the drawer to fit on the screen. When you hide the drawer the window returns to its original size. I always wondered why Mail didn't work the same way.

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    15. Re:Drop the drawers... by CoolCat · · Score: 1

      I like the drawer, but it slides out on the left side, while every other OSX app which uses drawers slides to the right... thats pretty annoying!

    16. Re:Drop the drawers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As any app, it slides where it has place to do so. Place your iCal window more on the left and open the drawer and 'boom': iCal drawer opens on the right side.

    17. Re:Drop the drawers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Floating utility windows are bad user interface design.

      When you're looking at a calendar item, you need to see both the item's information and the calendar itself at the same time. So floating the information window over the calendar is a bad idea; it introduces an aspect of modality to the interface. You can either look at the calendar or the info window, but not both.

      A drawer fixes this.

      Get used to it. It's the way things are going to be.

    18. Re:Drop the drawers... by druske · · Score: 1
      If someone can give me an example of a side drawer that really makes sense and is more useful than a floating pop-up window, please let me know.
      How about viewing a document's properties? The information in the drawer is specific to the document, so having a display that's "locked" onto the document window makes perfect, intuitive sense. If the property information was in a floating window, it wouldn't be visually linked with one particular document window. It's the same idea as a sheet, only modeless, since the contents of the document aren't obscured and may still be modified.

      I think sheets and drawers make one heck of a lot of sense if used where appropriate. That said, UI decisions are rather subjective, and if a developer doesn't like sheets and drawers, there's nothing in particular forcing their use.
    19. Re:Drop the drawers... by Mikey-San · · Score: 1

      That's funny . . . I have a "Bookmarks" menu right at the top of my screen. Oddly enough--and this may just be a coincidence--all of my bookmarks are under it.

      So much for having to be accessed from a drawer. What's wrong with a menu?

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    20. Re:Drop the drawers... by Mwongozi · · Score: 1

      The daily builds of Camino now use a sidebar instead of a drawer.

    21. Re:Drop the drawers... by harveyswik · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Bad design. Bad bad bad design.

    22. Re:Drop the drawers... by raverbuzzy · · Score: 1
      I hate slide out drawers. They're not intuitive at all. They're eye candy based. That's my main gripe with Camino -- bookmarks and history have to be accessed from a side drawer.
      The side drawer in Camino is gone now. Check the nightly build.
    23. Re:Drop the drawers... by greenhide · · Score: 1

      I meant in order to edit the bookmarks... then you have to use the drawers.

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    24. Re:Drop the drawers... by rockrat · · Score: 1
      It breaks the system because you either have to purposefully make your window narrower, or the side bar will be offscreen when it "pops up" (or out, rather).


      This isn't necessarily true in Aqua. Although it's a little more work, it is possible to program the window to shrink by the required amount to keep the drawer on screen, then expand back to its original size when the drawer is put away. IIRC, Camino/Chimera used to do this with their old bookmark drawer (it's now Safari-style, in-window)
    25. Re:Drop the drawers... by laurenlouise · · Score: 1

      Try moving the window so that the open drawer is off the edge of the screen. Now close and open the drawer. It should open on the side which has room for it. This works for most of the apps I use.

  3. Poor Interface Design Gets Worse by positive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Like many other people, I've had problems with iCal's interface from the start. I had hoped for some usability improvements with this upgrade but it seems to have actually gotten worse! Instead of the popup window to show details/information for an event, there is now a drawer that slides out from the side of the main window. The problem with this is that the tray is HUGE. If you keep your iCal window zoomed (like I assume most people do), you don't even realize at first that the drawer has slid out because it is completely off the screen. The solution to this is to make the main iCal window narrower, compressing the already-small calendar view even further. I have no idea why they chose to design the program this way, but I guess I'll keep hoping for the right changes in the NEXT version.

    1. Re:Poor Interface Design Gets Worse by useruser · · Score: 1

      The zooming problem with drawers is system-wide--in Jaguar.

      In Panther, which comes out in 14 days, drawers are considered when zooming a window, so there's no off-screen erratic behavior.

      Also in Panther, you can attach keyboard shortcuts to menu items, such as the Zoom item in iCal's Window menu. Now, with a quick ctrl-z on my PowerBook, any window is zoomable. Mail's drawer works fine, iCal's drawer works fine. Any app's drawer works fine.

  4. What happened to 1.5.0? by david-bo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What happened to iCal 1.5.0?

    1. Re:What happened to 1.5.0? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a copy of it if you want. It automatically deletes your home folder when you install.

    2. Re:What happened to 1.5.0? by capmilk · · Score: 1

      1.5.0 was last seen in Panther Beta 7b85.

      I love x.x.1 releases. Reminds me of the time when everybody was waiting for System 7. (And yes, that wait *was* long.) On one occasion I saw someone wearing a t shirt with "I am waiting for System 7.0.1" on it...

  5. Sync with P800 - anyone? by capmilk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In theory, iSync and iCal now sync with Sony Ericsson's P800 phone. In theory...

    I did get the contacts syncronized, but was not lucky at all with calender dates. iSync always ends up with "NSRangeException: [NSCFString substringWithRange:]: Range or index out of bounds"

    Anybody got an idea what that is about?

    1. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by intinig · · Score: 1

      Strangely, it works fine for me, but I'm using it under Panther (7b80). I've also recently updated the firmware of the P800.

    2. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by mtm · · Score: 1

      I've seen some reports that suggest that there is a bug with calendar events that have a lot of text associated with them. Do your calendar events have long notes? This apparently breaks the sync.

    3. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by Tombstone-f · · Score: 1

      Do you know of anywhere where you can actually use a P800? I'd like to play with one before I get a new phone. None of the Cell providers seem to have them, at least not near me.

    4. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works for me , once i put the BT-dongle in the computer USB-port instead of the keyboard USB-port...

    5. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by Graff · · Score: 1
      NSRangeException: [NSCFString substringWithRange:]: Range or index out of bounds</blockquote

      Ok, to break this down:

      NSRangeException - This is an exception raised by an error condition in Objective-C code, from the Next Step libraries (actually Cocoa, but it's descended from Next Step

      NSCFString substringWithRange: - The exception is raised when messaging the NSCFString class through the substringWithRange method

      Range or index out of bounds - either the number sent to the class was too large or it referenced a value beyond the end of the class. Most likely the string the program was attempting to substring was too large and instead of overflowing the program threw an exception.

      The good thing is that Cocoa is largely protected from buffer exploits because it generally checks the bounds of arrays before dumping data into them. If something would overflow the array then it will most likely throw an exception rather than doing something bad. Thus, Cocoa programs are generally pretty secure - as long as you don't break the functionality by circumventing it and rolling your own standalone classes.
    6. Re:Sync with P800 - anyone? by Mwongozi · · Score: 1
      I had to remove my P800 from the bluetooth config and then re-pair it.

      Now it works fine.

      Slow down cowboy! Error messages should not be patronising.

  6. No security yet for shared calendars by sld126 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I submitted this as feedback for the first version of iCal. Guess it didn't make it.

    iCal doesn't support WebDAV in digest mode, so your password is passed in cleartext. Digest mode may not be the strongest encryption, but some is WAY better than none.

    Of course you could mount the WebDAV disk in digest and just copy it over, but that's not the easy integration Apple promotes. And even then, don't try it in the Finder...

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    1. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iCal 1.5.1 supports digest auth, I think

    2. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by sld126 · · Score: 1

      Nope. This is part of my httpd_macosxserver.conf file:

      AuthName "calendar.domain.com"
      AuthType Basic

      Switched it to:

      AuthName "calendar.domain.com"
      AuthType Digest

      sudo apachectl restart, no publishing of iCal to the server. Set it back to Basic, works fine.

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    3. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by Offwhite98 · · Score: 1

      Basic authentication does at least encode the password via Base 64. It is not at the level of Digest, but both are still pretty weak compared to using SSH/SSL.

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    4. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It does work here at home... weird.

      Just tried a tcp sniffing of my ical packets to .Mac and I got:
      PUT /XXX/Sites/.calendars/XXX.ics HTTP/1.1
      User-Agent: DAVKit/0.1
      Authorization: Digest username="XXX", realm="XXX@mac.com", nonce="P4Wkxg==eb0b1653833734e219eb84176e09e00f14a 666b9", uri="/XXX/Sites/.calendars/XXX.ics", response="afc504aa1dac4217aaf2a105d02a6808", algorithm="MD5", cnonce="a2abba729157af9467b1739d5053bfbf", nc=00000001, qop="auth"
      Content-Length: 1497

      I also tried with my Apache server and it was the same.

      This is clearly Digest auth. I think this is more a problem of your server misconfigured than iCal things. I remember configuring a Digest thing in Apache requires some work...
      However, proposing some feedback on this thing with Apple might be a good idea (and sniffing your packets from and to your server to get more informations)

    5. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by sld126 · · Score: 1

      Just curious, in your httpd.conf file, do you have these lines commented or uncommented?

      #LoadModule digest_module /usr/libexec/httpd/mod_digest.so

      #AddModule mod_digest.c

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    6. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by sld126 · · Score: 1

      Not with the default Apache in OS X.2

      WebDAV/iCal article

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    7. Re:No security yet for shared calendars by nickovs · · Score: 1

      Just switching to AuthType Digest is not sufficient. You'll need to set AuthDigestFile and the format of this file is different to the standard AuthFile format so you need to use the htdigest program instead of the htpasswd tool to create and manage the user names and passwords.

      I use digest authentication for all my DAV access from the Mac and it works just fine. Of course it would still be better if Apple got their act together and made use of the SSL support that's already in their toolkits.

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  7. Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Publish to multiple places.

    Anyone have an internal work calendar and an external work calendar that would like them to be the same without duplicating each entry?

    Multiple authors.

    My wife(yes, I have one) & I share a family calendar, but only she can write to it. Isn't multiple authors the point of WebDAV?

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    1. Re:Other things they forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more the point of CVS or some other sort of controlling version system. Multiple authors ON THE SAME FILE is not that simple to achieve.

      WebDAV is more a way to mix FTP and HTTP.

    2. Re:Other things they forgot by javax · · Score: 1

      Haha! Apple thought of this!
      Its a feature that you cant erase your mother-in-law's visit from the calendar.

    3. Re:Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 1

      So, in FTP, I can't edit one file remotely, save it, then go to another computer and edit the same file remotely?

      That's all I want!

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    4. Re:Other things they forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but to resolve conflict things you need much more than a simple repository. What if your wife edits one event and you do edit one other?

      What if your wife edits one line of the file and you edit an other.

      Add that to the fact those things can be done off-line (then commited afterward), you realize that you need either: complexity and control server side OR much much more complexity on the client side. It's not that easy.

    5. Re:Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 1

      So I guess I want either an iCal server or WebDAV that actually has the V (for versioning).

      Still, a 2-way sync for a published calendar wouldn't be too hard, would it?

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    6. Re:Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 1

      WebDAV also has DAVlocks enabled, with a 10 minute time out, so it does have a basic form of CVS.

      WebDAV/iCal article

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    7. Re:Other things they forgot by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Funny

      My wife(yes, I have one) & I share a family calendar, but only she can write to it.

      Isn't it what marriage is all about?

    8. Re:Other things they forgot by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
      Hmmmm...I know these are workarounds...

      Can't you share the login?

      or

      Can't you have a calendar you add to, she subscribes to and then she publishes those calendars on one web page?

    9. Re:Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 1

      I want different logins from different computers to be both able to edit the iCal. So I can update my home calendar from both work & home. And, no, my wife can't have access to my admin account :-)

      Second option is just too much work. I'm lazy and want one iCal for 2 people. Shouldn't be THAT hard.

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    10. Re:Other things they forgot by sld126 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, one morning, every other week, I'm in charge of my own time, and I need to let her know what I'm doing (and get approval) :-)

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    11. Re:Other things they forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you agree you need far more than a WebDAV server but some sort of version server.

      Then you are confronted to some other problems because if you're just using (for example) some sort of CVS server treating calendars as files, you will have much work to do because you can't just consider calendar diffs as equivalent to file diffs. And you have also to resolve conflicts which might occurs.
      Or you can just imagine a dedicated calendar server... some sort of... Exchange server. And I know you: you will complain that Apple makes you pay either the server or the .Mac subscription (because they gives you the server). As some people complain for iSync.

      So be realistic and give some time to Apple to do that. It really takes time to do that sort of thing. I can't imagine Apple is not aware of this need. It's not that they have forgotten that.

    12. Re:Other things they forgot by MacDust · · Score: 1

      Only way I know how to work around this is you have to have both computers setup with the same .Mac account in Internet System Preferences

    13. Re:Other things they forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Locking isn't just the problem. And even basic CVS feature is not enough. What I say is that it is possible but it takes lot of time and tests to implement and is clearly not for a 1.5 version. What I want you to understand is that sharing your calendars with your wife is not just a simple extension of publish/subcribe, it's more like a rewriting of all CVS calendar oriented features server side AND client side. CVS was not done in one day. As does Subversion (WebDAV based CVS like stuff).
      By just thinking about it and how complex it is, I might not be surprised Apple makes paying such an iCal feature.

  8. Time zone support is a big improvement by nickovs · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a frequent traveller the biggest benefit for me from this release is the proper support for time zones.

    You need to tick a box in the preferences panel to enable it but once on you get to specify the time zone as well as the time of the meeting (it defaults to the zone set for the clock). The display presents the time of the meeting in the view time zone, which also defaults to the zone for the clock. Dinner next Tuesday in Boston is showing up for me as 1AM on Wednesday because I still have my clock set for here in the UK. It now also seems to properly support timed events that span more than one day.

    I sent in a feature request for exactly this six months ago. I'm sure that I was not the only one but it's gratifying to see that they listen to their customers :-)

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  9. Does dock icon keep up to date? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the dock icon now display today's date, even if you didn't open the application today?

    1. Re:Does dock icon keep up to date? by sld126 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tell ya tomorrow...

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    2. Re:Does dock icon keep up to date? by Meowing · · Score: 1

      That hasn't changed. Add iCal to your Login Items prefs and you'll never have to worry about it again.

  10. Finally! by inertia187 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Finally, an Apple Update that doesn't require a reboot! My uptime has been preserved.

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  11. ical and categories on palm by the_other_robert · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    does anyone know if this version finally supports the categories of the palm pda?

    didn't work in the last version, on hotsync all entries from the palm would go into one calendar in ical. No possibility to seperate business an private entries.

    Greetz

    robert

    1. Re:ical and categories on palm by Curtis+Clifton · · Score: 1
      does anyone know if this version finally supports the categories of the palm pda?

      It still does not seem to support Palm categories.

      I, for one, like the new iCal better than the previous version. I find the info drawer an improvement, but I have a cinema display, so width isn't an issue.

      iCal still isn't everything I would hope for. In addition to the category gripe I also want more (or even any) control over the display of To Do items. I'll continue to vacillate between iCal and Palm Desktop, while hoping Apple makes more improvements.

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  12. Still Buggy by lordDallan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just experienced a problem with iCal (1.5.1) where all the menu items worked as well as some push button controls, but the calendar itself, all appointments, and the mini-calendar on the left part of the screen would not respond.

    This problems persisted through quitting and re-starting iCal, but was solved by logging out and logging back in. Has anyone else experienced this?

    Also, you can add an attendee with no e-mail address as the first attendee, but any subsequent attendees (2..N) must have e-mail addresses, or they can't be added. This seems like a bug.

    On the plus side, iCal events can span multiple days (i.e. go past midnight) which never worked for me in any previous versions. Useful for those of us who schedule things in the wee hours. This is a nice plus.

    I'm neutral on the drawer. It's too big, but tolerable if you leave it open. It's the constant opening and closing that drives me bonkers.

  13. I agree by flimflam · · Score: 1

    It works fine on my desktop machine, since the drawer expands onto the second monitor.

    On my iBook, on the other hand, I'm left with having to have the window much smaller than I would like to leave room for the drawer.

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  14. No, digest does work by mughi · · Score: 2, Informative
    iCal doesn't support WebDAV in digest mode, so your password is passed in cleartext.

    That must just be some problem with your implementation. A few months ago I setup WebDAV on a linux box just for supporting my iCal. I switched to digest and all non-digest access was properly blocked, but iCal had no problems using it.

    1. Re:No, digest does work by sld126 · · Score: 1

      I believe that I'm having issues with the digest mode on Mac OS X server then. See my other post about a WebDAV/iCal article on macdevcenter@ orielly.com (net?)

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  15. What about Windows? by sean23007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    iCal is an absolutely fabulous program. But, since I left my Mac at home when I went to college and couldn't afford a new one on a student's budget, I was wondering if there is an equivalent (functionality-wise and quality-wise) for Windows... Can anyone help out those of us who lack Macs? Thanks.

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    1. Re:What about Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Mozilla Calendar. It reads and writes the iCalendar format. Not quite the same features as iCal but pretty close and free.

    2. Re:What about Windows? by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

      Try the always handy Palm Desktop. Its FREE too!

  16. christ already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you just won't shutup about that..."not so hard" shit eh? I know for a fact it's not hard for an Apple dev, it is simply not part of their agenda. Get over yourself already. Oh yeah, congrats on your marriage (you sound like a frigging newlywed with your previous comments....very pathetic, your public display of taking pride in the common and trite...).

    1. Re:christ already by sld126 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a good marriage is common and trite. (Anonymous) Coward.

      Almost forgot, troll.

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  17. Trollaxor!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. Re:It's about Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never let it be said that Mac /. readers dont have a sense of humour.

  19. But how to keep synced with Windows? by mhocker · · Score: 1
    I'm pretty happy with all of these iApps that Apple kindly includes with the MacOS, but in my mind the biggest glaring omission is the ability to sync with a Windows PC running Outlook. Am I just being obtuse or is there not a real need, particularily for 'switchers' who are still mandated to use a PC at work?

    BTW, I know one way around this is to ferry a Palm between a PC and a Mac, but that's hardly a sensible solution. Particularly given that if both PCs and Macs support the Palm syncing protocol, SURELY they could speak to each other...

    1. Re:But how to keep synced with Windows? by trabisnikof · · Score: 1

      OS 10.3 will provide support for exchange server syncing, but if you don't have an exchange server then I don't know what happens.

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  20. Love It by captpiett1 · · Score: 1

    Panther 7b85 has iCal 1.5.1 but iSync 1.2.0, Software update does pick up iSync 1.2.1 on Panther though. The Drawer is great, its easier to get more work done, Camino's auto expanding trick would be a welcomed addition however. The pop up window was a pain because it disapeared when you clicked over to another application but still wanted to read your notes in iCal!!

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  21. Window size tied to calendar view by Clith · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The "feature" that bothers me the most is how the size of the window is tied to the view of the calendar you are using. If you resize the window in "week" view, for instance, as soon as you click "month" view the window snaps to the size it was last time you used "month" view.

    I think the main reason this bothers me is that the view controls are at the bottom of the window, so to go back to the previous view, I now have to go hunting for where the controls moved to.

    If they put the view-switching buttons at the top of the window I think this problem would be much lessened.

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  22. now sync's with Nokia 3650 via bluetooth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calendar and address sync'd. Images transfered, video's transfered. Internet accessed. no wires!

    This is a sweet combo!

  23. Smack Down!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,p g,8,00.asp

    Dual 2GHz G5 gets smacked down by P4-3.2GHz and Atlhon64 FX-51!!!

  24. Recurring ToDo by rockrat · · Score: 1

    iCal 1.5.1 would be a real Entourage killer (in combination with AddressBook and Mail.app, of course) if Apple would implement recurring ToDo's. Reminders to pay the bills, etc., are the only think that remains in Entourage I can't live without.