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EC Dumps Open Source Conference

jaruz writes "MERIT is no longer organising the conference on the topic of Open Standards and Libre Software in Government at UNESCO Paris, November 24-26, 2003. Until now, MERIT was responsible for the logistics and through the FLOSSPOLS project, EC funding for the conference. This is now wholly withdrawn. They 'have taken this decision in consultation with the European Commission, whose support for this conference was earlier being provided through the proposed FLOSSPOLS project at MERIT.'"

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  1. Sounds like... by Black+Art · · Score: 1

    MERIT still has their subscription to Forbes.

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    1. Re:Sounds like... by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 1

      Or maybe MERIT has simply discovered a serious discrepancy between their diverse interests, and are now going after the money. Don't forget that the patent-loving side of the EU seriously despises the "open source posse". Also remember that the whole premise of Open Source in Government is a serious nightmare for companies throughout Europe. Barring a good and plausible explanation, I figure they were simply bought out.....

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    2. Re:Sounds like... by redhog · · Score: 1

      Not all companies... I for one work for a company that would love to see free software in all public organizations - especially if the configuration and support was done by us :]

      And we're not alone - from what I know, there are plenty of FS-companies in germany and some in the other EU countries too (hm, in my town in Sweden, I thenk there are 5 or so FS-based buissnesses).

      The only ones NOT wanting this are US companies like M$...

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  2. What is thier reason? by incom · · Score: 1

    Why are they pulling support? If it's because they don't have the extra money, you can't really blame them. Same goes with lack of interest. But if this is some sort of anti OSS stance they are taking, then it's something to be concerned about.

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  3. Huh? by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it's good to check the links first before putting a story on /.. I could not find anything about the EC dumping this when I followed the link. I would expect it to be on the MERIT website! Therefore as far as I'm concerned this is an unconfirmed rumour and thus no news.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Gerv · · Score: 1

      The reason there's no links is because the quoted text was an email (which everyone who signed up for the conference received.)

      Gerv

  4. It's all greek to me... by DataPath · · Score: 2, Funny

    The FLOSSPULLERS recently withdrew their BRIKNIT from this year's HoseCon. The resulting void has opened a gaping rip in the Plesk market.

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    1. Re:It's all greek to me... by JohnLi · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I usualy get all of the posts to some degree, but I'd have to spend too much time at dictionary.com to figure this one out.

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  5. Where from? by yanestra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where is this information from?

  6. This is at least partially correct by dyfet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last night I received notification from the director of MERIT at Maastricht that they had withdrawn participation from the conference. Prof. Soete also indicated that this decision was taken in "consultation" with the European Commision. However, this neither indicates whether it was the EC choice to withdraw, or that MERIT for other reasons choose to no longer sponser or act as an intermediary. In the latter case, perhaps the EC would find a different conduit for funding.

    Originally I had been asked to participate at this conference primarely to talk about recent work in developing free software solutions built around GNU Bayonne to enable e-government access for the blind. I knew they were having some type of difficulty with sponsorship and funding. I think it is unfortunate this happened, but I have seen no facts to indicate what precisely had gone wrong, although I am naturally curious.

    David

    1. Re:This is at least partially correct by gaurab · · Score: 1

      Yes.!! i too received the e-mail from MERIT. I feel that with the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS), coming up in early december, the EU backed down from another high profile conference.

  7. Too many acronoymns ...What the hell are you sayin by zymano · · Score: 1

    I can not understand all these damn groups with funny Cryptic damn names.

    Can you story submitters please speak some damn english !

    DAMN == Don't Argue Mookie News.

  8. The Future of Open Source Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What is the future of Open Source and Free Software? I asked myself that very question because Open Source and Free Software is the most revolutionary movement today. It is changing everything.

    To answer this question I went to slashdot.org, this website, since slashdot is known across the internet when it comes to Open Source and Free Software. I read the stories and the comments. I read the comments at the -1 threshold because I wanted to read real people's opinions and knowledge on Open Source and Free Software, not the sanitized version that gets modded up. What I found was very interesting.

    So, what is the future of Open Source and Free Software? Wideness. That's right. Wideness. This concept of wideness is so powerful that it is invading domains beyond computer software. Take HDTV for instance. It is widescreen compared to normal tvs. TV is becoming wider.

    The best examples of wideness are from slashdot of course. First, page widening posts. Slashdot pages weren't wide enough so they have to be widened manually. In the future slashdot pages will be wider.

    I also found links to the goatse.cx website. Again, another example of wideness, namely a wide open anus. People who use Open Source and Free Software aren't boring heterosexuals. They are homosexuals, bisexuals, etc. As the goatse.cx website shows wideness is being added to the sexuality of Open Source and Free Software users.

    Like me, you are probably excited about this wide future. The following email shows the future is closer than you think.

    From: "Larry Augustin"
    To: "Company - all"
    Subject: Acquisition of latest OSDN holding

    As you may be aware, our stock certificates are now unfit to even wipe our own asses in the restrooms. However, soon this will all change with our latest opensource acquisition. This is such a revolutionary paradigm shift that we have decided to coin a new term for it: "WideOpensource". The following letter was recently sent to the management of our prospect:

    From: "Larry Augustin"
    To: contrib@goatse.cx
    Subject: Open source business opportunity

    Dear Sir,

    We at OSDN are continually looking to expand our growing network of opensource-related web real estate. Through intense analysis of comment traffic on our premier site, SlashDot.org, we have determined that your site holds considerable value to the community at large. As recent IDC surveys have shown, your site is one of the 10 most popular on the Internet. That, combined with its decidedly opensource bent, makes it a prime target for OSDN banner ads, our flagship product. We would like to acquire your site and employ you as a member of our OSDN team. Please consider this carefully, you aren't likely to see an opportunity like this every day!

    Love,
    Larry

  9. Libre software? by marsu_k · · Score: 1

    I'm European, albeit not French. According to the site, "free/open source software [is] commonly referred to as Libre Software in Europe" - WTF? This is the first time I've seen the term used. I do know that the French are very scared of English words being too commonplace in their language, but this is ridicilous. They already use "software" in the phrase, what's so bad in saying "free" like the rest of the (English speaking, the site is in English anyway) net?

    1. Re:Libre software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Libre software has been used for a number of years now, and not just in Europe (and certainly not limited to France). Every year there is a FLOSDAM conferencem where the "L" is for Libre :). There is (in France...) the annual Libre Software Meeting (three years now).

      "Free", in English, is confusing; does one mean free as in cost or free as in freedom? "Libre"/Livre (Spanish) has no such immediate ambiguity; although, since the Air France lavortories advertise themselves as "Libre" when available also, I wonder if there is different overloaded meanings in French for that word :). Perhaps I should find myself an available (?Libre?) girl next time I am in Paris?!

    2. Re:Libre software? by fmjrey · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm also European, and French, although I live in Belgium, lived in the UK and the US. This is not the first time I heard the term Free/Libre Software, and I also wondered why the word 'Libre'. I thought in the end that this wasn't such a bad thing: if the word 'Free' can be confusing in English, might as well find another word that removes the confusion, notably for those that do not understand English like native speakers.
      'Libre' in French only means free as in freedom and not free as in free beer. It is also a Spanish word, but in that language I cannot confirm whether it only means free as in freedom. Any Spanish speaker around here?

    3. Re:Libre software? by fmjrey · · Score: 1

      Well, our friend the Anonymous Coward was probably submitting his answer while I started to write mine. In the end we can conclude that 'Libre' does not bear the same confusion in French and Spanish as the word 'Free' in English.

    4. Re:Libre software? by TheMidget · · Score: 1
      German is more fun. They also have two words: "frei" and "umsonst".

      "Frei" usually means free, as in speech, whereas "umsonst" (or sometimes, "gratis") means free as in beer.

      However there is one notable exception: Freibier!

    5. Re:Libre software? by roundand · · Score: 1

      We could translate it as "liberated software", except that sounds like either it's been looted, or it's burned its bra.

      But "libre software" is just clunky. How about "software libre", or even "software libre!" - preferably accompanied with a rum and coke?

    6. Re:Libre software? by TheMidget · · Score: 2, Interesting
      although, since the Air France lavortories advertise themselves as "Libre" when available also, I wonder if there is different overloaded meanings in French for that word

      "libre" = free as in speech, but also available (as in seats, meeting rooms, restrooms, parking spaces, timeslots, and yes, girls ...)

      "gratuit" = free as in beer

      If you see "gratuit" on a restroom door, you'd be in Belgium. Indeed, in Belgium most public restrooms charge a small admission fee, and it's worth pointing out if one doesn't ;-)

    7. Re:Libre software? by alext · · Score: 1

      Freibier is gratis? Hah, interesting.

      Why "umsonst" and not "kostenlos" though?

    8. Re:Libre software? by anno1602 · · Score: 1

      Why "umsonst" and not "kostenlos" though?

      To me, at least, "kostenlos" (literally: without cost) implies really not having any cost at all. That is not true even of most free software: While you have to pay nothing to obtain the software, you still have to administer it, and that costs you. So kostenlos would be TCO==0.

    9. Re:Libre software? by PolR · · Score: 1
      although, since the Air France lavortories advertise themselves as "Libre" when available also, I wonder if there is different overloaded meanings in French for that word :). Perhaps I should find myself an available (?Libre?) girl next time I am in Paris?!
      Checking my Larousse dictionnary, all connotations of the French "Libre" relate to freedom but the one you mention. This particular connotation applies to what is not busy or not held up by something/someone. This connotation could be translated by "available" in many cases. And yes, a girl without a boyfriend is sometimes said to be "libre".
  10. FLOSSPOLS Project? by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that the followup to the BUTTCHEZ Program?

  11. Re:Slashdot is a bunch of ho's by Homology · · Score: 1
    Corporate ho's. You sold your soul long time ago. Go away. You are irrelevant! Sluts! CmdrTaco. You are the worst of them all. Slut! You might as well fuck for money! Better business than this shit. Stop influencing youngsters!

    Hey kiddo, did your mummy pay for that low Slashdot ID when you bought it on eBay?

  12. EC cleanup? by broeman · · Score: 1

    This could be about the corruption they have in the commission? They blamed it on the workers, but surely the commissioner should take the blame on himself, like ministers does it in our governments (well, mostly). Maybe they are affraid of using any money at the moment, because of this event lately.

    BTW, typically the EU never tell what particular institution that pays for a project ... this is a first for me (could be wrong, though)

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  13. Good thing by heironymouscoward · · Score: 1

    EU involvement in Open Source is like your mother-in-law taking a keen interest in your pornography collection.

    The European institutions are about throwing large amounts of money at people who's only real skill is to be good candidates for large subsidies. I once spent a day in Luxembourg getting information on various EU projects for IT research and development. _Never_ _again_.

    Large sums of money, or even the remote promises of large sums of money, do not produce good software nor do they promote good practice.

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    1. Re:Good thing by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The European institutions are about throwing large amounts of money at people who's only real skill is to be good candidates for large subsidies.
      Wrong! The candidates for subsidies don't even need that skill. An acquaintance of mine works for a consulting firm, which has the sole purpose of leeching as much subsidies as possible out of the EU and Holland for their clients. Apparently it's good business: these people work in posh offices and drive in very nice cars.

      But you're right, certain people have come to believe that it's their god-given right to live on public largesse. Others take a more cynical approach and commit blatant fraud to get these subsidies. It's not hard: set up a firm to research, well, cold fusion for instance, and get the inevitable subsidy. Spend lavish amounts of cash on equipment and consultants' fees, which of course you purchase through your other firm (or a friends', if you're careful). When people start expecting results from your research, declare the whole thing a failure and file for bankruptcy. Then start all over again. It's easy and low-risk.

      The heart of the problem is lack of oversight of all these EU committies and bureaus, which leads to a tendency for these bodies to bloat and increase their span of control. One way of doing that is, yes, increasing your budget and extending the range of causes you spend it on. The USA has the same problems, though to a lesser extend. Read P.J. O'Rourke if you don't believe me.
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    2. Re:Good thing by heironymouscoward · · Score: 1

      The EU certainly does not throw money around willy-nilly, they leave this to private enterprise. It is exactly the long and complex procedure required to extract funds that turn organizations which use those funds into specialists at extracting funds. And that leaves little energy for the real thing.

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    3. Re: Good Thing by Simon+Kongshoj · · Score: 1
      Large sums of money, or even the remote promises of large sums of money, do not produce good software nor do they promote good practice.

      Wow. Those are probably the most insightful words I have yet to read on this site. Thumbs up.

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  14. Re:STOP Racism in Open Source Software by lcsjk · · Score: 1

    You sound like a guy I had work for me some few years ago. Fully capable of doing his job, but was afraid to make a decision. Always deferred to a fellow worker for decisions. However, if anyone disagreed with something he said or did, he was convinced that it was because of his race, and never accepted that fact that someone had an idea different from his. He, unwittingly, was the only racist in the group. Next time, keep your comment short enough so that if you really have something to say, people will take time to read it.

  15. Re:Microsoft must be behind it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've already rerun lilo and my foil hat is on just right. The question is, have you patched your system, reapplied your service packs, and rebooted the system? Good. That buys you a few more weeks worth of peace of mind. Isn't Microsoft grand?

  16. Inside information by Karem+Lore · · Score: 1
    This is typical of about 60% of current project funded ventures...This has nothing to do with being good or bad. This has got to do with the current situation facing Eurostat, the Commission's statistic department. Turns out that some rather high paid officials have been pocketing funds, I think in the region of a million Euro or so. However, it goes deeper. Apparently there are companies being paid to do work that is never done (which happened to be owned or linked to said important officials).

    Anyway, point being is that no new contracts are currently being sign, 60%+ of contracts are being terminated, and people like the company I consult for are sitting like ducks on a 2 month extension until end of November hoping that by then they will sign (something they told us was going to happen in June). My boss just got fired, as did a colleague and 2 developers. Until we get the contract (and therefore money) we are having to cut back big time.

    Eurostat's in a mess currently, fraud everywhere. Oh, and not to mention that there may be a mole in the Agriculture DG. Apparently being bribed (easily) for leaking information regarding crop values/quantities (not quite sure what, but it means some people can make lots of money with that info).

    Anyway, they may get their funding back, but not yet!

    From someone living in Brussels...Karem Lore

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  17. EC? by adrianbaugh · · Score: 1

    It hasn't been the EC for some time, it's the EU (European Union) now. Before that it was the EC, further back the EEC and probably something else even further back.

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    1. Re:EC? by DanBrusca · · Score: 1

      Indeed, before the EEC it was the ECSC ;)

    2. Re:EC? by Malc · · Score: 1

      It had me confused for a while. It's been years since it was called the EC. I was looking around the web sites for a while trying to figure out what EC stood for before it finally dawned on me. People shouldn't be so lazy - names should typed out in full before introducing an abbreviation. Oh well, this is /. and writing quality is low on the list of priorities.

  18. New agenda: patent policy by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

    MERIT now organizes a conference for the patent lobby (patent lawyer interest groups)!!

    [ EPIP 2 ] Copyright and database protection, patents and research tools, and other challenges to the intellectual property system

    Maastricht, November 24-25

    On November 24 and 25 of this year a conference will be held at MERIT in Maastricht on the topic "Copyright and database protection, patents andresearch tools, and other challenges to the intellectual property system". This is the second meeting of the EPIP (European Policy for Intellectual Property) network, funded by the European Commission and lead by Dominique Foray and Jacques Mairesse. The partners of EPIP are IMRI from Universite Paris-Dauphine in France, MERIT from University Maastricht in the Netherlands, INNO-tec from the Munich School of Management in Germany, Sant'Anna School of Advanced Studies in Italy, Roskilde University in Denmark, and the Santiago de Compostella University in Spain. For more information of the network, please visit the website at:
    http://www.dauphine.fr/imri/EPIP/welcome.html .

    The first EPIP meeting took place in Munich on the magnificent premises of the European Patent Office with over hundred participants, lawyers and economists, academics as well as practitioners (from the business world and the patent offices) from Europe and the United States. The papers presented at this conference touched upon many themes and challenges of the intellectual property rights system. The program of the Munich conference is also available on the website.

    The next conference, while open to other themes, will essentially focus on research tools and databases. Both research tools and databases are major inputs of science and technology. In the view of fostering their impact on the economy through commercialization, governments have allowed IP to be taken on certain inventions, in the form of patents (on research tools) and sui generic rights (data bases). Whereas the US pioneered the former, Europe is leading the latter. The central issue is to strike the balance right between the conditions needed for commercialization (which often requires some exclusivity) with the conditions associated with scientific progress (open access). Should Europe reform its database directive along the lines of the United States? What should be the legal environment for the commercialization and diffusion of public databases? Should research tools be exempted from patent protection or other intellectual property protection mechanisms for the sake of scientific and technological development?

    These are some of the questions that we would like to see discussed at the conference.

    We aim at assembling leading scholars and thinkers on the contentious issue of ways and merits of protecting research tools and databases.

    Some of the confirmed speakers and participants:

    Dominique Foray, Univ. Paris-Dauphine
    Jacques Mairesse, CREST/INSEE
    Dominique Guellec, OECD
    Jean-Michel Dalle, IMRI
    Bronwyn Hall, Univ. of California at Berkeley
    Paul Uhlir, National Academy of Sciences
    Stephen Mark Maurer, Univ. of California at Berkeley
    John Walsh, University of Tokyo
    Peter Schroeder, Ministry of Education, Culture and Science, Netherlands
    Dietmar Harhoff, Munich School of Management
    Stephan Wagner, Munich School of Management
    Paul David, Stanford University
    Anselm Kamperman Sanders, Univ. Maastricht
    Robin Cowan, MERIT
    Luc Soete, MERIT
    Pierre Mohnen, MERIT
    Elad Harison, MERIT
    Brian Kahin, Univerity of Michigan
    Pierre Jean Benghozi, Ecole Polytechnique, Paris
    Paul Wouters, The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Wilfred Dolfsma, Erasmus University
    Tettu Luukonen, ETLA, Finland
    Rene Vleugels, Univ. Maastricht

    More information on the program of the conference and of ways to get to Maastricht will be made available shortly.

    Local organisor: Pierre Mohnen
    31-43-388 3869
    E-mail: p.mohnen@merit.unimaas.nl

    1. Re:New agenda: patent policy by 3seas · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, interesting..

      Considering what is found here and here? and also here.

    2. Re:New agenda: patent policy by 3seas · · Score: 1

      And I also wionder if there is some sort of connection with EU approves software patents??? as it relates to the changes of interests this thread is about.

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  19. $omebody $poke to the UN about it... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...per$ua$ively.

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  20. Switch suppliers! by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    This one's cutting your stuff with something *s*c*a*r*y*.

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  21. I used to feel indecisive too... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...but now I wouldn't be so sure.

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  22. coincidentally Euros folded on Iraq this week by Recbo · · Score: 1

    Euros are finally getting on the bus with Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush.

    This happened the same week that France and Germany voted in the UN Security Council to approve of US rule in Iraq.

    Now Freedom Fries can go back to being called "pommes (de terre) frites" and French Fries.

    No more anthrax in Le Gare du Nord, they hope!

  23. Re:from MERIT's front page by leerpm · · Score: 1

    Anyway, we all knew deep down economists are a bunch of scumbags, I am just filling out the details.

    Looks like you are trolling, but I'll bite anyways. By the way, when you have to resort to insults, you know that your argument is weak. If you paid any attention to modern economic theory, you would realize economists do acknowledge there are many external factors. They just do not try to include them in their theory and models because they overly complicate trying to understand what is going on. Remember, economics is *theory* not some golden law like the Law of Gravity.

  24. Re:Microsoft must be behind it! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Actually, tinfoil is a suboptimal solution for preventing brainwave interference from orbiting government mind-control satellites and alien spacecraft. You see, it doesn't allow for proper ventilation, and if worn on very hot days is very uncomfortable and can contribute to heat stroke. I use screen wire bought at the local hardware store. It makes a great Faraday cage which, according to my FCC-mandated RF testing is just as effective at the standard mind-control frequencies as tinfoil, with the added bonus of free movement of fresh air around my head.

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  25. Re:Get bent by ctishman · · Score: 1

    Not even sarcasm?

  26. Re:Slashdot is a bunch of ho's by askien · · Score: 1

    Mummy died a month ago you fuck.

    My initial post is a pretty good example of why not to post on Slashdot drunk. People with a life go out on Friday nights.

    Still, it is interesting, because that's what I really think.
    Makes me wonder why it's my second bookmark on Safari, right after Google.

    Oh, and I'm 28. I started reading slashdot after mandrake (mandrake.net) mentioned it on his website.

    As Taco's little fun website, it was pretty cool. As a business that targets an audience that uses Internet Explorer, it is really low quality. They can't even spell.

    People are cool, corporate entities don't qualify. Nothing wrong with corporations, but you don't say that GE is a cute company, do you? Or that IBM has a sense of humor?

    Cool people used to post here. I used to actually learn stuff from people who really knew their shit.

    Well, no point in bitching about a site that I read. There is a very simple solution: no more hits from my IP.

    Take care.

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  27. It is true by jaruz · · Score: 1

    Participants of the conference have all received an e-mail with the announcement.

  28. I guess.... by sbwoodside · · Score: 1

    the conference is wholly without MERIT

    (ducks/)

  29. Libre software? You betcha by Quino · · Score: 1

    I've come across this several times in English sites; there's nothing new here (I thought when I first saw it). The English language is full of foreign words that were absorbed into the language when there didn't exist a native equivalent.

    Most Americans already know that the Spanish word "gratis" (no cost) would translate into English as free. Funny that became better known before "libre", the Spanish word (and probably other romance languages) for "free as in freedom" that would unfortunately also just translate as "free".

    Or does it also bother you that you can find the French word entrepreneur in an English dictionary? Hopefully you'll eventually be able to find libre in there too -- it'll avoid a lot of confusion (besides, it's an important concept -- it probably does deserve its own word).

    I don't know what you're accusing the French of besides, the use of Libre with GPL software in English is really not new (maybe not exactly commonplace either, but I have run into it enough times to think that it was time that "libre" became better known, especially since "gratis" is already understood by enough Americans to hear it in commercials or on TV. Afterall, "libre" is a much more important concept than "gratis").

    No weird French conspiracy here, just another important concept (and foreign word) hopefully becoming part of the English language. That's what I see.

  30. Re:from MERIT's front page by Mr.+Jaggers · · Score: 1

    I love how this guy directly addresses MERIT as if they are listening/care... and uses the word 'dis'; I got a chuckle out of that one!

    More rambling, misguided standard /. fare. *sigh*

    Way to change the world, buddy.

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  31. Re:Microsoft must be behind it! by Mr.+Jaggers · · Score: 1

    Hmm... sounds like TEMPEST research to me! Too bad you can't find out for sure (the specs are classified, of course). Well, ignorance is no defense; send in the black helicopters!!
    (don't forget to grab his wire hat before you flip him to the Grays... ;)

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  32. Confirm - received the same email. by cheros · · Score: 1

    I submitted the same story - with the remark that said announcement (made by email to subscribers) hadn't made it to their website yet. Strange way of ending such an event though..

    Having said that, it could be a bizarrely accurate spam as I didn't trace the mail back ;-). =Ch=

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