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Swarthmore Students Keep Diebold Memos Online

An anonymous reader submits "Two student groups based out of Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania announced today that they are rejecting Diebold Elections Systems' cease-and-desist orders and are initiating an electronic civil disobedience campaign that will ensure permanent public access to the controversial leaked memos. You can read the memos, search the memos, or download the memos."

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  1. Uh, just stick em on freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or host them in another country, and you'll always have access to them.

    1. Re:Uh, just stick em on freenet by nate+nice · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could but then *no one* would be able to download them. :P

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  2. Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet Diebold just posted it too slashdot too destroy it (servers dead with one post)...

    damn there creative

    1. Re:Slashdotted by KU_Fletch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot: The Open Source Alternative to Cease and Desist Orders

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  3. Permanent public access? Not for long! by mfago · · Score: 2, Funny

    Permanent public access? Linking from slashdot may be less than beneficial in the short term...

  4. How to Help Us - 3 Steps by mykawhite · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can have a real effect on what is going to happen. Please take a few minutes to help us out with this action.

    Here's how to help:

    1) The students engaging in this civil disobedience are meeting with the Dean of their college Wednesday, October 22nd at 4pm. We need you to email *nice* and *supportive* emails to rgross1 (at) swarthmore.edu and cc them to info (at) why-war.com *before* October 22nd at 4pm EST. Please help Dean Bob Gross understand the importance of this issue!

    2) Download the entire memo archive:
    http://why-war.com/memos/s/lists.tgz

    3) Join the disobedience by hosting the memos and posting the URL in this thread

    SCDC: http://scdc.emegaweb.net/
    Why War?: http://www.why-war.com/

    1. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by mykawhite · · Score: 5, Informative

      Email info (at) why-war.com if you are willing to mirror the files.

    2. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by herrvinny · · Score: 2, Informative

      My email:

      Dear Mr. Gross,

      I am writing to you in support of the students at why-war.com, mirroring the memos of Diebold. They are doing a service to this country by keeping those memos in one place, so everyone can see how flawed Diebold machines are. If you read up on the issues of Diebold voting machines, you will see that they have numerous problems keeping track of votes, eg recording a NEGATIVE 16,000 votes for Gore in contested Florida. If you require more information, I am a very qualified computer programmer and would be glad to go over specifics with you. Please consider me at your service in this issue. Thank you.

      Signed,

      Vinny

      Short and sweet. They're going to receive at least thousands of emails, why not make it easier on their mail servers? After all, they do have to deal with spam as well...

    3. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's the penalty for ignoring a cease-and-decist anyway? I bet it's not as heavy as a buldozer, but it's the same kinda deal.

      I don't think there is one per se. It's simply that they can't claim that you were unaware of any party being injured by posting the memos. Since they're probably going to argue that there is overwhelming public interest in these being posted, and this is greater than Diebold's need for copyright protection.

    4. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by jonabbey · · Score: 4, Informative

      A torrent file is tiny.. only a few k, at most. The problem is that a torrent is useless unless you have someone ready to seed the file that matches the torrent. Clients start downloading the file from the initial seed, and quickly get enough bits of the file that they are capable of serving pieces to other downloaders. Rather quickly, there are enough chunks outside of the original server that the load should drop on the initial server.

      At least, so long as people are continuously downloading/uploading the file. If everyone who downloads the file shuts off their bittorrent client when the download is complete, the original seed system may wind up being the only one providing the file.. as soon as that happens, you're back to square one, effectively.

    5. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by knobmaker · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      Hey, if hippie-wannabes piss you off more then rigged elections, may I suggest you move immediately to someplace more in accord with your philosophy? Red China, maybe? Hardly any hippie-wannabes and plenty of rigged elections.

      It's a win-win deal. You'll be happier, and the rest of us, who worry more about who's going to lead us than who has a politically incorrect haircut, will be happier without you.

    6. Re:How to Help Us - 3 Steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      mirror: http://mica.nfshost.com/Diebold/lists.tar.bz2

  5. http://verifiedvoting.org - by horster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pleas join an existing, legitimate effort at http://verifiedvoting.org -

    This site, rather than continually despairing at the fact that there are problems with electronic voting, has concrete steps that average citizens can take to make change.

  6. Wouldn't it be better to post it outside the US? by baywulf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would make it harder for Diebold to fight back...

  7. Print 'em up! by NeuroManson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, print up pamphlets and distribute them, citing the e-mails and memos, with a "dumbed down" non technical explaination of just what the problems are with Diebold machines. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on copies, just print out 10-50 pamphlets.

    Then hand them out to anyone and everyone you see on the street. If you can manage to do it outside of polling locations, all the better.

    There's only about 5 million people online, and talking about it amongst ourselves is not going to make any difference, especially since the mainstream news has been ignoring the issue. We are, in essense, the minority. The majority are those who need to be informed. The guys without computers, the guys without internet service.

    And maybe, just MAYBE, the more people in the general public that are made aware, then perhaps enough people will start asking questions that NOBODY can ignore the issue any further.

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    1. Re:Print 'em up! by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To go further, I'll bet that printed flyers distributed by hand are immune to any sort of cease and desist order. It's clearly political speech, and it doesn't have that stigma of being "on the internet."

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    2. Re:Print 'em up! by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously, print up pamphlets and distribute them, citing the e-mails and memos, with a "dumbed down" non technical explaination of just what the problems are with Diebold machines. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on copies, just print out 10-50 pamphlets.

      Great. Put together such a pamphlet. Make sure it self references "http://www.effortlessis.com/evoting.pdf" so that more copies can be printed. Make sure it's informative, and eye-catching.

      I'll host it.

      Now, the sad part of today's society is that I'll never get taken up on this. I have at my disposal a powerful information dissemination too, and will I see any takers? I doubt it.

      I'm not a pamphlet-maker, I'm a database guru - a fact that probably makes me part of the problem. Oh well. Come up with something reasonable, and I'll host it.

      -Ben

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      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  8. INCRIMINATING MEMOS!!!!(since the site is so slow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Friday, 12 September 2003 (PDT)
    By Bev Harris - blackboxvoting.org

    http://www.blackboxvoting.com

    If certification isn't being done properly, the whole house of cards falls. Below are actual copies of internal Diebold memos which show that uncertified software is being used in elections, and that Diebold programmers intentionally end-run the system.

    Quick backgrounder first, scroll down to see the memos.

    BACKGROUND

    Our voting system, which is part of the public commons has recently been privatized. When this happened, the counting of the votes, which must be a public process, subjected to the scrutiny of many eyes of plain old citizens, became a secret.

    The computerized systems that register voters, will soon sign voters into the polling place using a digital smart card, record the vote we cast, and tally it are now so secret they are not allowed to be examined by any citizens group, or even by academics like the computer scientists at major universities.

    The corporate justification for this secrecy is that these systems adhere to a list of "standards" put out by the Federal Election Commission, and that an "ITA" (Independent Testing Authority) carefully examines the voting system, which is then provided to states for their own certification.

    As it turns out, the states typically do not examine the computer code at all, relying instead on a "Logic and Accuracy" test which will not catch fraud and has frequently missed software programming errors that cause the machines to miscount.

    A Diebold message board has been used since 1999 to help technicians in the field interact with programmers to solve problems. The contents of this message board were quietly sent to reporters and activists around the world, most likely by a Diebold employee. In a letter to WiredNews, Diebold has acknowledged that these memos are from its own staff message boards.

    Without further commentary, judge for yourself whether Diebold has been following certification requirements:

    From Nel Finberg, Technical Writer, Diebold Election Systems

    (Note: Metamor/Ciber is the ITA assigned to certify the software)

    alteration of Audit Log in Access

    To: "support"
    Subject: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    From: "Nel Finberg"
    Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:31:30 -0700
    Importance: Normal

    Jennifer Price at Metamor (about to be Ciber) has indicated that she can access the GEMS Access database and alter the Audit log without entering a password. What is the position of our development staff on this issue? Can we justify this? Or should this be anathema?
    Nel

    Reply from Ken Clark, principal engineer for Diebold Election Systems

    RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access

    To:
    Subject: RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    From: "Ken Clark"
    Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:02 -0700
    Importance: Normal
    In-reply-to:

    Its a tough question, and it has a lot to do with perception. Of course everyone knows perception is reality.

    Right now you can open GEMS' .mdb file with MS-Access, and alter its contents. That includes the audit log. This isn't anything new. In VTS, you can open the database with progress and do the same. The same would go for anyone else's system using whatever database they are using. Hard drives are read-write entities. You can change their contents.

    Now, where the perception comes in is that its right now very *easy* to change the contents. Double click the .mdb file. Even technical wizards at Metamor (or Ciber, or whatever) can figure that one out.

    It is possible to put a secret password on the .mdb file to prevent Metamor from opening it with Access. I've threatened to put a password on the .mdb before when dealers/customers/support have done stupid things with the GEMS database structure using Access. Being able to end-run the database has admittedly got people out of a bind though. Jane (I thin

  9. Don't just sign the petition by pjcreath · · Score: 5, Interesting
  10. it ain't civil disobedience by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    electronic civil disobedience campaign that will

    As far as I can tell, it's only sleezy Diebold who is telling people not to post the memos. Unless these kids are standing up against a court order to take down the information, they are hardly participating in civil disobedience just because they are pointing out serious flaws in Diebold's buggy system and not listening to Diebold when they say to stop, flaws that Diebold would apparently like to hide.

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    1. Re:it ain't civil disobedience by jafuser · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      they are hardly participating in civil disobedience

      Judging by the information you expressed in your message, you may not be aware of the gradual transition of power from elected representatives of the people to appointed representatives of the corporate sector...

      Just to bring you up to date on how things are today:

      - Corporations now have primary consideration before indivudal people for all high-impact legislative decisions. (tax relief, wars, special contracts, etc)

      - Citizens who threaten to harm the profit margin of a corporation will be rounded up and silenced. (DMCA, reverse engineering, publishing security audits)

      - Law enforcment of intellectual property is being turned over to corporations. (suponea power of the RIAA)

      - Existing monoplies are extended indefinitely to ensure any potential future profit is secured, despite the suffering of the public domain (copyright extensions)

      - New monopolies are granted with minimal review for corporations who have contributed sufficient funding to ensure their approval. (FCC, patent system)

      Perhaps it wouldn't be considered "civil disobedience" ten years ago, but nowadays, any act which threatens the bottom line of a large corporation will most likely be interpreted by our legal system as an act of civil disobedience or be considered a violation of some other nonsensical law in order to put a stop to it.

      Forward my mail to the MiniLuv...

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  11. shut up. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Linking from slashdot may be less than beneficial in the short term

    Ho, ho, ha ha, "Slashdot effect". This joke is more worn out than hot grits. Say something useful, says something funny but quit posting "Slashdot effect" trolls.

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    1. Re:shut up. by webtre · · Score: 2, Informative
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  12. Keeping the memos available by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Informative
    an electronic civil disobedience campaign that will ensure permanent public access to the controversial leaked memos.

    Freenet.

    Exactly why it exists.

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    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  13. USENET would be appropriate by bigberk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the kind of information that can be easily postedon USENET. This would provide worldwide public access distribution for the content, except at ISPs that choose to censor the data of course.

  14. Re:They're anti-american by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just another example of how America's colleges promote liberalism

    Okay. That's a good thing.

    and anti-americanism

    How is it anti-American to expose flaws in voting machines which could threaten the very heart of our society; the fair democratic election of our leaders?

    and promote the acceptance of lawbreaking

    We should accept lawbreaking when the laws being broken. Did you ever learn about the Boston Tea Party? Ever hear of Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat on a bus? Civil disobedience has a long, proud history in America.

    If you like conservatism and patriotism, and you dislike civil disobedience, then move to Communist China. They are very conservative, very patriotic, and don't tolerate civil disobedience. Your kind of people...

    The aptly-named "liberal arts college" should be banned if you ask me.

    No one did, but you'd have really appreciated Mao's Cultural Revolution where intellectuals were rounded up and sent to brutal labor camps.

  15. Re:God by johnpaul191 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    some schools just don't want to deal with the hassle..... or instead of their lawyers spending time on the case (no matter how right or wrong Diebold may be), they might just make the students pull them down. They also may fear negative publicity. I don't know Swathmore's stance on this kind of issue, but that seemingly weak stance would seem commonplace today.


    I belive it was Wired magazine a few months ago compared Schools and Universities and how they view their student's online rights.


    For an example of a positive school, MIT supported the student(s) that started the bonsai kitty website after review from their legal department. Until they had explicity documentation that the webiste was somehow illegal or violated something or other, they allowed the site to remain up. I'm sure they were not happy to be painted as supporters of kitten abuse, but they were smart enough to see the real issue of free speech.

  16. No problem. by twitter · · Score: 4, Funny
    If that's independent news media, give me my biased greedy coporate controlled news anyday.

    Comming right up sir! You are just our kind of consumer. Double plus good for you, don't listen to anyone but solid dependable whores we pay. It's not like you need an impartial third party telling you what they think happed. Let the good folks of GE, MSNBC, Disney, and MacDonalds feed you just what does them the best good.

    Whatever you do, don't read the internal memos from DiBold's techs. Those people are no longer associated with DiBold for their lack of proper corporate protocal. They should have used Microsoft's famous disapearing ink email, instead of bathering all over the internet. Go back to sleep while they chose your next mayor, govenor, president, forgein policy and conservation laws designed to maximize my^H^H your wealth. Good night, sweet prince!

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  17. Re:Indymedia by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this the same Indymedia which consists of "stories" posted by raving lunatics that try to pass their most rabid conspiracy theories as legitimate news items?

    Sounds kind of like Slashdot.

    If that's independent news media, give me my biased greedy coporate controlled news anyday.

    1) The open newswire you blast is handled differently on different IMCs. Some sites have an iron-fisted editorial policy, while others are practically free-for-alls. Since the newswire clerks tend to be activists familiar with being ignored and shouted down, the topic of censorship and editorial control is always sensitive. I've argued for a looser editorial policy in some cases, and I've argued for a harder line on crap in others. Read the mailing lists sometime--a lot of people who spend time working on an IMC or two share similar concerns about the unsourced, unsubstantiated crap that some people post as news. Unfortunately, it's hard to argue that such stuff should be immediately hidden when corporate and state media sources post similarly unsourced or half-cocked news with a hardline editorial policy.

    2) One person's wacko conspiracy theory is another person's reality. Mind you, this does not excuse some of the greater excesses of the tinfoil hat crowd (the whole "plane didn't hit the Pentagon" crap is so blatantly factless I have to wonder if it's someone's idea of a joke, or a lame COINTELPRO plant, for one example). However, the term "conspiracy theory" seems to be aimed at practically any argument that challenges conventional wisdom, instead of being reserved for the truly raving shit. I actually feel better letting those we view as nutters present their case, so it can be judged on the merits (or lack thereof), instead of having someone else decide for me before the info/crap can even reach my eyes.

    3) Some reactionaries like to refer to Indymedia as "Nazimedia" because some of the morons from the neo-Nazi crowd think they've found a place where they can post freely and get away with it. Going back to my first point, many (ok, practically all) IMCs have editorial policies that explicitly ban racism, sexism, or other forms of hatred based upon intrinsic, immutable characteristics. We hate the Nazi fuckers just as much as you do--even more, perhaps. The Jewish-world-conspiracy morons get the same reaction from real progressive and radical activists that I imagine many of you would have upon reading the crap, and if it can't be hidden due to an extremely loose editorial policy, the imbeciles can at least get slapped down in comments.

    Finally...

    4) The open newswires found on most sites are a fluke of history. The original newswire, on the Seattle IMC, dates from the 1999 "Battle of Seattle". It was intended solely as an experiment in relatively unfiltered, frontline reporting from any observer who could get to a computer. It's rather amazing that many IMCs haven't cracked down and just rid themselves of the often-criticized and -abused open wires, but perhaps it speaks to the committment of most volunteers to ideals of freedom of information and debate.

    "You are your own journalist."--English tagline of Indymedia Israel.

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  18. digital cohones by meeotch · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This link (right side of why-war page) is pretty intense. Pick away at the guy's amateur lawyering if you want, but it shows more sack than signing an e-petition, anyway.

    mitch

  19. It's a bad sign for our country when by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    being a patriot is equated to being a nazi.

    I've voted green in the last election, and will in the next, but I love my country and I'm sure the grand parent poster does too. Does that make us 'nazis' in your eyes, junior?

  20. Wish you'd straighten out your rhetoric by dcollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the link...

    War? believes that what we are doing is legal; though we see it as an issue of electronic civil disobedience we believe it is Diebold which is abusing copyright law in an attempt to shut down free speech and the democratic process.

    Okay, now it's either legal OR it's civil disobedience (i.e., intentionally breaking a law, and accepting an unjust punishment, to draw attention to an issue). As someone who supports this effort -- someone who's done a little political action and gets steaming mad at scatterbrained hippies who drag down liberal progressive movements -- I'd prefer that they straighten out the claims of their action.

    I think it would be preferable to claim that Diebold's cease-and-desist order is illegal and unenforceable. Then, keeping the memos online is even better than civil disobedience (noble in its own right), it's actually civil obedience for a just cause.

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  21. Re:Indymedia by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Indymedia newswires have an open publishing policy. Anyone familiar with the internet knows what that means in terms of content -- there's a wide variety of content, some of it silly, some of it just copied from other sources. But some of it is also valuable. Typically the best Indymedia content is material posted by non-journalists, either direct participants or activists.

    If you don't like the newswires (and they can be pretty noisy) each local site has edited features, which should make note of the better articles in the newswire. Of course, it's all entirely volunteer, so results may vary.

    Latin American Indymedia sites have been very active, while mainstream media ignores events there almost entirely. Bolivia and Argentina have been very active covering recent events.

  22. Relax, it's not so bad... by mclove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like this is going to favor Republicans just because the guy running Diebold is a Republican - with security this bad it's open season for everyone. I think the more worrying thing would be if these machines weren't hackable but were iron-clad, then the only backdoors would belong to the guys who wrote the code; instead, the backdoors are wide open to any idiot who wishes to wander in.

    If these machines really are hackable then they'll be hacked, and going by the intelligence of your average script kiddie they'll be hacked to such a ridiculous degree that the results will clearly be fake and the judiciary will declare all of these elections invalid. I mean, really, when Kevin Mitnick is mysteriously elected governor of Minnesota in a write-in vote and NORML supporters sweep the legislative elections in nine states, somebody's going to start asking questions...

    1. Re:Relax, it's not so bad... by msingle1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps he was refering to the -16,000 votes Diebold voting machines netted Gore in Florida.

  23. Re:INCRIMINATING MEMOS!!!!(since the site is so sl by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

    IIRC the $cientology stuff was just modded down and not deleted... therefore it can be found by those looking... same should be done with the diebold memos... just make it easy to fin the posts but keep them modded low to have an added benefit of saving bandwith for the server and visitors not intending to get said documents

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  24. Re:Put them on P2P file sharing network WHICH? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    but which one?

    all of them. its the only way to be sure.

    I'm not joking by the way.

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  25. Swathmore Tradition by toxic666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before we condemn these students about a civil disobedience stance against electronic voting, keep in mind these folks are at a Quaker-based college and are acting in those traditions. A few of the posts modded up have been somewhat critical of the motives and methods.

    The Society of Friends -- Quakers -- have a long history of questioning that which is conventionally accepted. Thus, they were among the first to question slavery:

    http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/DAILYF/2002/02/dail y- 02-18-2002.shtml

    Quaker-based organizations -- The American Friends Service Committee and British Friends Service Council -- won the 1947 Nobel Peace Prize for their material aid efforts in postwar Europe, particularly in Germany which was then an international paraih:

    http://www.afsc.org/about/nobel.htm

    And they were in Cambodia when nobody else would go.

    Pick a topic -- civil rights, underground railroad, women's rights, GLBT, tolerance of different religions among them -- and Quakers have been quietly (and sometimes not so quietly) questioning convention and willing to stand by their decisions, even when confronted with prison and punishment.

    Check http://www.quaker.org if you want to read about how these people have stood in the face of convention and often ended up ahead of their times. Hint: William Penn Hat Trial.

    And no, they DO NOT dress like the 17th century guy on the oats box. That's more of an Amish style.

    1. Re:Swathmore Tradition by norkakn · · Score: 2, Informative

      okay, I know this is half a joke, and I am drunk right now so I should probably jsut not answer, but.. I grew up a quaker and have done some research into it

      there are many different types of quakerism.. 3 main branches, i grew up in the most liberal ( www.fgcquaker.org ) i think nixon was in EFI, which is basically like baptist.. i don't even know why they call themselves quaker (they don't reallly beleive anything that it was based on.

      the other group is FUM.. they seem nice but i haven't really dealt with them
      they are mor conservative than fgc but still openminded.. they have a more close minded doctrine but the individuals seem cool

      afsc is mostly fgc i think

  26. Memos now on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are the memos (saved them from the last time Slashdot mentioned them). Now go Slashdot yourself, Slashdot.

    From Nel Finberg, Technical Writer, Diebold Election Systems

    (Note: Metamor/Ciber is the ITA assigned to certify the software)

    alteration of Audit Log in Access

    To: support
    Subject: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    From: Nel Finberg
    Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:31:30 -0700
    Importance: Normal

    Jennifer Price at Metamor (about to be Ciber) has indicated that she can access the GEMS Access database and alter the Audit log without entering a password. What is the position of our development staff on this issue? Can we justify this? Or should this be anathema?

    Nel

    Reply from Ken Clark, principal engineer for Diebold Election Systems

    RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    To:
    Subject: RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    From: Ken Clark
    Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:02 -0700
    Importance: Normal
    In-reply-to:

    Its a tough question, and it has a lot to do with perception. Of course everyone knows perception is reality.
    Right now you can open GEMS' .mdb file with MS-Access, and alter its contents. That includes the audit log. This isn't anything new. In VTS, you can open the database with progress and do the same. The same would go for anyone else's system using whatever database they are using. Hard drives are read-write entities. You can change their contents.

    Now, where the perception comes in is that its right now very *easy* to change the contents. Double click the .mdb file. Even technical wizards at Metamor (or Ciber, or whatever) can figure that one out.

    It is possible to put a secret password on the .mdb file to prevent Metamor from opening it with Access. I've threatened to put a password on the .mdb before when dealers/customers/support have done stupid things with the GEMS database structure using Access. Being able to end-run the database has admittedly got people out of a bind though. Jane (I think it was Jane) did some fancy footwork on the .mdb file in Gaston recently. I know our dealers do it. King County is famous for it. That's why we've never put a password on the file before.
    Note however that even if we put a password on the file, it doesn't really prove much. Someone has to know the password, else how would GEMS open it. So this technically brings us back to square one: the audit log is modifiable by that person at least (read, me). Back to perception though, if you don't bring this up you might skate through Metamor.

    There might be some clever crypto techniques to make it even harder to change the log (for me, they guy with the password that is). We're talking big changes here though, and at the moment largely theoretical ones. I'd doubt that any of our competitors are that clever.

    By the way, all of this is why Texas gets its sh*t in a knot over the log printer. Log printers are not read-write, so you don't have the problem. Of course if I were Texas I would be more worried about modifications to our electronic ballots than to our electron logs, but that is another story I guess.

    Bottom line on Metamor is to find out what it is going to take to make them happy. You can try the old standard of the NT password gains access to the operating system, and that after that point all bets are off. You have to trust the person with the NT password at least. This is all about Florida, and we have had VTS certified in Florida under the status quo for nearly ten years.

    I sense a loosing battle here though. The changes to put a password on the .mdb file are not trivial and probably not even backward compatible, but we'll do it if that is what it is going to take.

    Ken

    Reply by Nel Finberg

    RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
    To:

  27. Re:They're anti-american by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you like conservatism and patriotism, and you dislike civil disobedience, then move to Communist China. They are very conservative, very patriotic, and don't tolerate civil disobedience. Your kind of people...

    Kiss my patriotic ass. This stupid ultra-liberal backlash against patriotism is pissing me off. Patriotism != blindly following Dubya and his henchmen. Patriotism, as I see it, has always meant a love for the United States and the ideals set forth by the founding fathers, two of these ideals being the Constitutional rights to freedom of press and freedom of speech. By that view of patriotism, what these students are doing is clearly patriotic. No American in their right mind would argue that having our elections run by a bunch of incompetent buffoons who try to cover their massive flaws with lawsuits is a good thing.

  28. Torrent link... by ahaning · · Score: 5, Informative
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  29. Re:Indymedia by An+Anonymous+Hero · · Score: 3, Insightful
    the Electronic Frontier Foundation announced that it will defend the right (...)

    If that's independent news media, give me my biased greedy coporate controlled news anyday.

    Evidently you don't grok the difference between defending what Indymedia say, and defending their right to say it. Cf. Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (Letter to Helvetius, one of whose books had just been ordered to be burned.)

    Thankfully, the EFF is more enlightened than you are.

  30. READ THIS by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative
    What really scares me is Diebold's political activities which are biased.

    Read my rant here.

  31. Mirrors Available by coolmacdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are my two best servers. Though I must admit, they have never had a severe bandwidth test. I guess its about time.
    Please provide other mirrors if you can.
    Here you go:

    mirror1.coolmacguy.com/lists.gtar
    mirror2.coolmacguy.com/lists.gtar

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  32. Re:Communist != conservative by cranos · · Score: 2

    Umm I think you will find that China is extremely conservative. Just because they adhere to a psuedo communist doctorine does not make them free-loving hippies.

    I am a leftie, I believe in the community and a social design that does not leave those less fortunate behind. However I do not at any stage condone any acts of bastardry, whether committed by the far left or the far right.

    Extremism in any flavour is a blight.

  33. Please support BlackBoxVoting.com by DrunkClam · · Score: 3, Informative

    they've been doing most of the grunt work on this issue. Bev Harris deserves alot of credit. They have a really easy way to donate on their front page. 2 paypal buttons, 1 is a one time payment, the other is a $1.99 supscription. 2 bucks a month is cheap if you consider what these people are trying to do. So please help them out.

  34. I used to worry by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to worry about all the lame-brained, right-wing-liberal, hippie-conservative, crazy assed shit that I've said over the years, and whether having my various posts where I've been all over the political spectrum, all over the spectrum of sanity and insanity, and everywhere from reasonable and educational to bloodthirsty pirate and troll.... I've worried that this legacy would take some explaining, maybe someday, if I were being recruited by the NSA or something, or any other job interview.

    But I WOULD NOT trade for anyone named on any of these Diebold memos.

    If these discussions are really true, if they are really from developers and QA people, they had better count their lucky stars if the interviewer at their next job isn't political.

    You could probably get away with a batch file that prints "system test passed" for all I know.
    --Ken Clark

    I may have said some crazy-assed crap in my time, but that's because I tend to be a clown. But I don't think I'd want to go on record with something like this. I actually might be more inclined to blow the whistle on this operation. Which is obviously what someone did do.

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  35. Bittorrent link by nstrom · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try this bittorrent mirror link; this torrent uses multiple trackers so even if the tracker is taken down it will still work, as long as there are seeds connected (or even once complete copy of the file across all the downloaders).

  36. Re:Everyone needs to hack these machines by mikewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    paper ballots are just as easily altered as electronic... who would know if a box of ballots disappeared? or if a box of ballots just showed up... in Chicago people used to vote more than once in the same election, hence the phrase "vote early and often"...

    I'm not saying i agree with diebold, reading these memos makes me sick to my stomach... i am a software developer (g, surprise) and i can't believe what i just read. I think that they should be sued out of business for the little bit that i just read that was reposted on slashdot, and i think they should face criminal charges... i am writing my congressmen and senator immediately to try and make sure that they understand the gravity of what these memos reveal.

  37. It's a 1st amendment right by harriet+nyborg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Okay, now it's either legal OR it's civil disobedience (i.e., intentionally breaking a law, and accepting an unjust punishment, to draw attention to an issue).

    I believe there is an argument that it is neither. It should be seen as protected speech under the protections of the first amendment of the US Constitution.

    In the US supreme court's landmark Sullivan decision, it was firmly established that speech criticizing public officials was more or less immune to ordinary charges of libel.

    The court adopted Madison's view that the people are the ultimate owners of the country.

    As Justice Brennan wrote in the majority opinion, Thus we consider this case against the background of a profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, casutic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials... and as an expression of grievance and protest on one of the major public issues of our time, would seem clearly to qualify for constitutional protection."

    While Dieblod is "not" a government official, its involvement in the election of public officials should be close enough to invoke the free speech protections which the US Supreme Court has provided.

    The ability to critize our public officials AND THEY WAY THEY ARE ELECTED is a fundamental American right.

    Use it before the traitors who stole the last US election take it away.

  38. Re:INCRIMINATING MEMOS!!!!(since the site is so sl by Maserati · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear God. What these people consider a 'release" version should count as criminal negligence on an ordinary project. This is about an election, nothing - with the possible exception of the judicial system that may have to step in over this - is more important in our system of government.

    I mean... My God ! They don't know what they're sending to the client ! "Is this a "testing" release or not? (Ashamed to ask). I think the hallucinations ought to be resurfacing with Steve already. Ken"

    Where are the US Marshall's ? Ashamed to ask ? How's he gonna feel under interrogation ? Or on the witness stand. Draft 'em and send 'em to Leavenworth.

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  39. Re:Communist != conservative by TKinias · · Score: 2, Informative

    Communist China conservative? What about the Cultural Revolution?

    Would that be the same cultural revolution where they shut down the universities and shot all the hippy-pinko professors?

    What happened to 'no enemies on the left'?

    This was the rallying cry of the united fronts of the 1930s trying desperately to stop the spread of Nazism and fascism in Europe. When the most immediate threat to your freedom comes from brownshirts, an alliance with the extreme left is quite prudent.

    The sad fact is that Stalin's lamentable ``Social Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of Fascism'' divided the anti-fascists so much that there was nobody to stop Hitler until it was too late.

    In Berlin in 1933, from any standpoint not alien to modern American norms of morality, there were no enemies to the left.

    Communism is the most extreme manifestation of loony leftism. They are your ideological cousins, and it is you leftist twits who should be ashamed of your history of making excuses for their wickedness.

    To suggest that somehow the post-Maoist state capitalism practiced in PRC now is somehow the same thing as Bolshevism, much less the same as Marxism or Catalan-style anarcho-syndicalism, is simply hallucinatory. One might assert with equal validity that Social Catholicism, white separatism, extreme laissez-faire capitalism (a.k.a. pure `liberalism' in the true sense of the word), English Conservatism, and Falangism are all the same thing. And only Stalin would say that.

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  40. Re:I have an obvious question. by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Informative

    "This would completely knock Watergate out of the history books."

    Would it?

    Watergate was an incident of a political party's attempt to manipulate an election. The perpetrators were caught, and even a conservative view of the facts indicates that members of the highest level of government conspired to coverup the incident. The effort was a failure, and led ultimately to the only resignation of a sitting US president in history.

    The Diebold situation seems to consist of a correspondence record of some engineers and managers who botched the quality control phase of a project. The closest thing to a crime indicated here, would be on the hands of whoever allowed an uncertified product to be used in a public venue where certification was required.

    I'm afraid Watergate still holds its place on the scale of national scandals. There's really no evidence that Diebold's incompetence is because they have been instructed by a political party. There is some evidence for negligence though. I wouldn't want to be ANY of the people whose names are on these memos, at least not while looking for my next job.

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  41. Mr. President... by Rutje · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've asked it before, but how can such a dumb guy become leader of a country... democratically??
    I don't believe the majority of the people voted for him.

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  42. FREENET Misconceptions by Famatra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is with these misconceptions about freenet.

    First of all, Freenet is making rapid progress despite the fact they have very *very* limited funding. I'm currently able to insert and receive gigabytes of stuff off freenet. Perhaps if you did as suggested and left your node on for a few days so it could intergrate into the network you'd see some speed.

    Second, this child pornography thing is false. The main sites have little if any of it, see for yourself. As well, this porgraphy content could easily be displaced by projects like this Memo thing if people would just insert other content.

    Third, content doesn't drop off fast. It usually takes months of non requests before it slides off. As well GNUnet, another p2p anonymous GPL project, has the ability to host specific files on your hard drive, perhaps this feature will be added to Freenet.

    The coding is simple, and if you dont like Java, there is a close cousin of freenet in C,C++ type language called Entropy, as well as there is GNUnet. Why not look at the code and experiment, its all GPL.

  43. Re:Communist != conservative by fmaxwell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You should stop trying to redefine conservatism as anything that pampered Western liberal intellectuals don't like, and vice versa. It's dishonest and despicable.

    What's despicable and dishonest is your attempts to portray a society which subjugates women, resists change at all costs, and highly values conformity as anything other than conservative.

  44. My e-mail to Dean Gross: by Speare · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's my letter:
    • I'm dropping a quick note in support of Open and Auditable voting rights, and in the rights to discuss the implementation of such systems.
    • Currently, a leading manufacturer of electronic voting systems named Diebold Systems is attempting to squelch critics and critical discussion of their products and business methods. Some of these critics are your students, as you are probably well aware. Such Cease and Desist orders are the first step in a campaign to control those who would dissent, and to intimidate those who would research.

      I believe this discussion rightly should include the publication of confidential business memoranda that have been acquired from Diebold Systems. These memoranda may show certain antipathy to the proper methodology and design for a secure voting infrastructure. It is only through such exposition that a frank discussion of security and responsibility can be pursued.

      Lastly, I am very concerned at corporate influence in government function. I have long held the position that "a corporation has no vested interest in the rights of the individual." I am not anti- business or anti-profit, but companies which perform vital government functions such as producing voting equipment must be adherent to the principles of a free and informed electorate, both in products and in deeds.

      I recommend you support your students, and support their cause to inform the public where possible on these issues.

      Please show your students that Democracy and Research are more important than corporate greed, and that transparency is critical when building a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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  45. I just mailed off the following to the addresses i by jefu · · Score: 2, Informative
    I am a professor of computer science with a long time interest incomputer security and related matters (though I do not publish or research primarily in that field).

    I find that the legal climate concerning publications about computer security is becoming such that research in this area is increasingly being put in jeopardy. In large part this comes about as a result ofthe DMCA, but the problems that the DMCA cause are being exacerbated by companies issuing gag orders on publications that they find embarrassing or annoying. Should this be allowed to continue, fundamental research in the area ofcomputer security may well become an underground activity - with prior restraint on publication, gag orders on publications that do make it out and severe penalties on those who support or condone such publications or even such research even at second hand.

    I urge Swarthmore to contest this legal threat and to continue to support academic freedom on all levels.

  46. Way to go, moron by kiwimate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have aptly demonstrated you are too stupid to be reading Slashdot. Here's a hint -- you agree with the parent! You just insulted someone by affirming what that individual said.

    And you got modded up for it! Looks like you're not the only person around today who's too stupid to be reading Slashdot.