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Digital Art For Your Wall-Mounted TV

Makarand writes "According to the San Francisco Chronicle, if you own a plasma or LCD TV hanging on your wall, you could display high-definition video reproductions of famous paintings on your TV screen after watching your favorite sitcoms. Companies have begun selling devices that can display the work of world-famous artists and photographers on your TV screens. The art is stored on removable flash memory cards (sold separately) and is displayed onto high-definition TVs by electronics that cost around $500."

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  1. Or.. by Polly_was_a_cracker · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could hook your computer up to your tv, and use a slideshow with things you probably already own!!!

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    1. Re:Or.. by starglider29a · · Score: 3, Interesting
      ...get REAL art from a LIVING artist. I showed this article to a REAL artist, and her answer was, and I quote:
      "instead of wasting hard earned cash on a picture of a painting, that you could actually buy a real friggin painting"

      And I think her SIG says it all

      "www.wrosson.com --Support a living artist cuz the dead ones don't need money"
      My answer, as a geek, is that this would be a great usage of P2P sharing. We could get the EBSQ artists on eBay to provide art, formatted to fit the screen nicely. then, we could share them with each other, switch them out every couple days (or when you clean your mouse ;-). That way, artists who are ALIVE, need exposure and cash (if you like the image buy the paint) can benefit from such profligate use of technology. It's too late for Vincent Van Gogh... let's use the 'Net for something more beneficial than pr0n or hamsterdance.com

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  2. Probably not practical due to power consumption by mozumder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Plasma can draw up to 600 watts power.

    Backlit LCDs or OLEDs would have to be the way to go.

    1. Re:Probably not practical due to power consumption by digital+bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you have ~$3-5k for a plasma TV, I doubt you'll be worrying about electricity costs.

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  3. My definition of "Fine Art" by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess if you've shelled out $3k (more like $5-10k) for a freakin' television, another $500 isn't much more of a bite.

    But for crying out loud, I could buy an entire collection of truly fine art for less than $500, and still have enough left over for the kids' room!

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    1. Re:My definition of "Fine Art" by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah! If you'd rather have regular old paper instead of a power-consuming, ridiculously expensive toy, you don't belong here!

    2. Re:My definition of "Fine Art" by egomaniac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess if you've shelled out $3k (more like $5-10k [plasma-tv-den.com]) for a freakin' television, another $500 isn't much more of a bite.

      By the tone of your message, I assume that you feel $3,000 (much less $5K-$10K) for a television is a ridiculous extravagence.

      Well, I have a $7,000 plasma TV. Of course, many of my friends drive nice cars -- BMWs, expensive SUVs, and the like. I don't. I drive a ten-year-old Camry with a hundred thousand miles on it. It's not flashy, and I could certainly afford a nicer one if I wanted, but I'm happy with it. And you know what? My car plus an unbelievably nice TV still cost a hell of a lot less than what my friends drive.

      Personally, I feel that I got a much better deal. To me, the quality-of-life difference between a Camry and a BMW is much less than the difference between a 32" CRT and a 50" plasma. I have personally met people who think that I'm crazy for spending $7,000 on a TV, and then they turn around and spend $40,000 or more on a car. It's all about what you want out of life, I suppose. Plasma TVs are well within the reach of many middle-class folks, if they were just willing to spend a bit less on the status-symbol-on-wheels (oops, I mean "car").

      Just my $0.02.

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  4. ... and? by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... and I can get a poster of a Van Gogh for $15, right down the street.

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  5. Didn't Bill G. do this ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Informative
    in his super-duper wired house of the future years and years ago?

    That's so ...90's man.

    1. Re:Didn't Bill G. do this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone needs to hax0r that system and put Mr. Goatse on every screen in the house.

    2. Re:Didn't Bill G. do this ... by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      my friend interned at MS last summer. at the end of the summer gates has all the interns over his house for a BBQ and he allows them ONE QUESTION.

      anyway, the report is that gates does in deed still have those TVs

    3. Re:Didn't Bill G. do this ... by extra88 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, and around the same time he was buying up the digital rights to huge amounts of fine and commerical art. I thought Corbis was owned by Microsoft but apparently it's something he did on the side. I think it started by buying up an existing image supply company or two. Yahoo! Finance link

      "Founded by Bill Gates in 1989, Corbis is headquartered in Seattle, with offices in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, London, Paris, Dusseldorf, Vienna, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, and Tokyo."

    4. Re:Didn't Bill G. do this ... by sYn+pHrEAk · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Bill... who?"

      -AntiTrust

    5. Re:Didn't Bill G. do this ... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Funny
      he allows them ONE QUESTION...

      "Mr. Gates, in the time I'm asking you this question - approximately 30 seconds - you've earned approximately half a million dollars in interest on your current liquid asset holdings. Since I've taken this much of your time, can I have the money, too?" ;)

      -T

  6. sony by ignipotentis · · Score: 3, Informative

    I hear sony's come with the memory stick reader built in for digital picture viewing.

    $500 for displaying pictures seems like kind of a waste.

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  7. Expensive much? by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $500 seems insanly over-priced for this sort of thing. Most dvd players i know of will play picture discs burnded with jpgs, how is this better?

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  8. One little problem by dicepackage · · Score: 2, Informative

    If a picture is displayed for too long on some of these Tvs then the picture becomes permanently engraved into the screen.

  9. Maybe makes sense for LCDs.. by mlyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But plasma televisions have severe burn-in issues. If this is something you'd regularly do, it seems like the quickest way to turn your $8000 big screen into a $20 art print with lower resolution and a cheap-looking plastic frame.

    Not to mention that power dissipation/efficiency of plasma televisions is not -wonderful-.

    1. Re:Maybe makes sense for LCDs.. by cruachan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You need moving artwork. Like this - http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/bill _viola/default.htm

    2. Re:Maybe makes sense for LCDs.. by Merlinium · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok, I had a plasma screen, and we use plasma screens and LCD screens, as well as projectors here at work, and I can tell you burn in is a HUGE issue, these people will be out of business after they get a lot of burn in screen issues thrown back at them, the easiest way to turn a $3,000-$10,000 plasma screen into junk is to display static images on it.

      Another issue is life of plasma screen issues, plasma screens as well as other video devices have a set life time before failure or unusability, to constantly run your screen for extended periods of time for nothing other then a few pictures is a huge waste, the technology for this type of thing is still 3-5 years away, the OLED screens with the flexibility and thinness (creates wallpaper) is still in its infancy, but when then comes into its maturity, then displaying art via electronic means will be worth while.

      Imagine the possibilities, wall paper the becomes your TV screen, or change the color of rooms, or turn a wall into a ocean view with sunset. Life will be good then for the digital media, until that time, its just not a very feasible idea to waste your power and money on something like this.

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  10. Plasma by SquiggsLDS · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've seen plasma burn-in (see "reason screen savers were invented:") on a $15k plasma TV. I'm not so sure that putting a static image on a plasma screen is anything short of lunacy.

    1. Re:Plasma by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      and this is another reason to be pissed off at the "network bug" in the corner of every damned channel.

      we have a mish-mashed shadow burnin at the Left hand lower corner on the display behind the receptionist because of the stupid networks thinking that viewers need to be reminded what channel they are watching.

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  11. Screen Burn by CPIMatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Plasma displays are terrible about burn-in. I think this is a horrible idea. If you want a high resolution image of a famous painting, just get one on paper. It would probably look better too.

    -Matt

  12. One use... by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they could figure out an RFID piece for this, this could possibly save many marriage squabbles. "Dogs Playing Poker" when he's in the room, and Anne Geddes photos when she's in the room. Just hope they're not in the room at the same time, or you might get fat kids in dog costumes playing poker.

    1. Re:One use... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oh, please - you know you'd configure it for pr0n when he was in the room and she was out. ;)

      -T

    2. Re:One use... by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 2, Funny

      fat kids in dog costumes playing poker

      Cripes, don't be giving Disney ideas!

  13. Ok, or... by Crimson+Midget · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You could just grab an inexpensive print and maybe, I don't know, just turn the tv off when you're not watching.

    (Or you can do something like what I saw on an episode of Monster House. They had a plasma tv set inside a picture frame that can house a print on an automatic roller that will roll up the print like a window shade when you turn the tv on. Great geek project.)

  14. $500? by NMerriam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just bought a 32" LCD HDTV and even I think this is stupid expensive.

    Even an ancient Packard Bell computer can output a 1280x768 image to an HDTV. Heck, an old Palm Pilot with one of the Presenter-to-go dongles can put out enough pixels for still images!

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  15. Already on the market by jridley · · Score: 2, Informative

    Several companies already have these:
    http://www.delkin.com/news/press/Picturevi sion.htm
    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/sand is k_dpv.html
    etc.

    These don't have HDTV outputs, but that shouldn't run the price from $80 to $500.

  16. See it in SF by MojoReisen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know if it is the same product, but you can view something similar in the Clift Hotel's lounge (in SF). Each "print" is displayed for a few minutes before changing to a diferent "print" (Klimt last time I was in there), So each "print" rotates through the various screens. They look quite nice, and this probably prevents burn-in.
    Drinks are expensive, though.

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  17. Another revnue stream for Bill Gates? by talexb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hasn't Bill Gates been busy buying up the rights to electronically reproduce works of art through his company Corbis?

  18. 600W? by homer_ca · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you serious? That's more than a CRT television! I hereby nominate this for the California Rolling Blackout Wise Use of Electricity Award.

  19. Re:Absolutely... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

    many of the channels I watch have those annoying little logos that burn the crap out of plasma...

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  20. Re:Why????? by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny
    We have cats. We don't have anything nice.[*]

    [*]Technically, it all belongs to the cats anyway.

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  21. Re:Absolutely... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Funny
    If some of you don't buy this, just google "plasma burn-in"

    That Google search looked pretty useless at first due to spam, but I found a great FAQ from Gateway:
    Q: How do I correct burn-in on the 42 or 50-inch Plasma TV?
    A: Note: This function only works on part number 2800308 - Gateway 42-Inch Viewable Area Plasma TV R1.
    1. On the remote control, press the left arrow button for more than 5 seconds, and then release.

    2. Press the right arrow button for more than 5 seconds, and then release.

    3. Press the Favorite Channel (FAV. CH.) button, and then release.

    4. A bright white eraser screen appears. This eraser screen refreshes the Plasma screen and reduces the visual effect of burn-in.

      Note: The eraser screen needs to remain active for a period of time. The more severe the burn-in, the longer the eraser screen needs to be left active. A light burn-in can be taken care of in about 12 hours. A heavy burn-in may require up to 50 hours. The test can be tailored by running the test for a given number of hours, and then making a judgment. If the result does not seem good enough, run the test again until satisfactory results are attained.

    5. To shut down the eraser screen, press the Favorite Channel button, and then release it. If necessary, repeat this step until the white screen disappears.
    Great! Not only do the instructions sound like DDR cheats, but Gateway is telling me to fight burn-in by burning in the whole screen for 50 hours! A few "masterpieces" later, and you've got a $10,000 night light.

    No wonder they call it the "bleeding edge"...
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  22. My wall-mounted TV? by Faust7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Exactly what tax bracket do you think I'm in, sir? :)

  23. Only Bill Gates.... by stuartkahler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    could charge upwards of $200 per month for digital collections of art by painters that have been dead for hundreds of years.

    What moron decided on custom $3000 boxes to serve media instead of and off-the-shelf DVD player with scripted DVDs? For 1/10th of the price, you could sell a nearly identical version of this at Best Buy. Thousands of historical paintings, licensed modern works or 10 min vid clips of easily obtainable things like the ocean, forests or everyone's favorite fish tanks.

    Personally, I would just download JPGs and MPGs of whatever I want and play it on my $40 DVD player that reads regular files off any burned CDR or DVD-R.

  24. Re:Let's buy some... by ciurana · · Score: 3, Interesting

    netsharc wrote:
    > and install the Matrix screensaver on them

    That's exactly what they did at the Pyramid Cafe in Moscow, and uber-yuppie joint on Tverskaya avenue (think Times Square). A 250 ml glass of carrot juice there was about $10.00, plus tips, of course. The decor was rather nice, with the plasma screens showing The Matrix screen savers and looping through the movie in sync with techno music.

    I don't know if the place is still there. It was so hip I'd guess it to be ephimeral. In case you visit Moscow, The Pyramid is on Tvyerskaya just a few steps away from the Mayakovskaya metro station.

    Cheers!

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  25. Some issues not mentioned before by CrackHappy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just wanted to sum up some things that popped in my head as potential problems with this scenario, and why I think it will fail badly:

    1) Multiple thousand dollar equipment, easily breakable and STEALABLE in PUBLIC places.
    2) High month-to-month costs.
    3) Plasma burn-in/wear and tear.
    4) Why replace something you could buy for $100-$1000 potentially (prints, etc.) that will last practically FOREVER, with something this expensive, that will NOT last very long.
    5) Power consumption - some of these monitors consume a CRAP load of electricity.
    6) Cheaper and easier alternatives. Why buy this proprietary crap, when you can easily, and for MUCH Less set up your own system to display images / screensavers / whatever you want.

    Just my thoughts. Some of these are in the posts before, but some of them aren't.

    Any ideas or refutations on these?

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  26. Waste of Energy by UnderAttack · · Score: 3, Informative
    A plasma screen is not an LCD monitor. It takes MUCH more power to run then a TV. Some plasmas can take up to 1000 W !!! Thats about as much as a vacuum cleaner and 5-10 times more than a TV.

    Plasma screens have to be much brighter then LCD monitors. While LCD monitors use less power then a conventional TV (or monitor), large format Plasmas chew up way more electrons.

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    1. Re:Waste of Energy by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's also not forget the heat output of these suckers. Plasma is plasma if folks didn't already realize it. I was looking at a 50" EDTV the other day and it had 4 75mm fans turning at ~3500RPM. I imagine that it releases about as much heat into a room as a vacuum cleaner, too. (The 1000w has to dissipate somehow)

      Another issue is plasma's aging effect. Though it's hardly mentioned in HDTV forums and reviews, I've noticed a serious loss of brightness in ones used as display units and others used as signs. I suspect, after a good while, the things just burn out.

      I'm sure the average videophile that owns a full HDTV resolution one (720p or greater) probably does not leave them sitting around displaying an image all day. Just doesn't seem prudent.

      LCD, on the other hand, I know little about the aging process. I've had laptop displays get dimmer and look worse over time, but I think that was due to all the bending and daily beatings I gave them.

      I'd suggest LCoS or DLP if you are going with static images. Much, much lower power requirements; something in the range of 120-180w and the displays don't age in a manner you can detect visually. Still seems like a waste of power.

      Perhaps a trip down to the next local art festival and purchasing a couple of hundred dollars worth of real artwork would be a better idea? I mean, really, what's original about having the Mona Lisa or Last Supper in your pad when you can have some truely original work for very little money?

      Ok, fine. You are too cheap to get an original. I've got another plan for you. Dig around on the web for ultra-high resolution PSD, PNG, and the like, then print them out on a photo printer. Slap it in a frame and you've got the same thing and get to save money on your power bill.

  27. Don't get a flatscreen, get a projector! by Adam+Wiggins · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously. I was looking at $3000 - $5000 flat TVs in the 40" range. I ended up going with a projector based on a friends recommendation, and now I will never go back to lame-o screen-based displays. $1000 for http://www.projectorpeople.com/hometheater/projdtl s.asp?itemid=1144&itmname=InFocus+X1low end projector and now I've got a home theater to die for. Screw plasma - I've now got a 120" TV which disappears when not in use! Plus it's smaller (about the size of a thick hardcover book) and lighter (~6 lbs).

    Mount it on the ceiling and the thing takes up literraly no space in your living room (well, you do have to leave one wall blank of decorations). The picture is gorgeous and can be used for TV, DVDs, and video game consoles. Heck, it's got a VGA port too, I could bring out a laptop and plug it in to watch xmms visualization plugins.

    The only downsides are that it has no sound built in (that's okay, I prefer running it through my stereo better), and doing the ceiling mount was a bit more effort than just plunking down a TV or hanging a flatscreen on the wall.

    I highly recommend a projector - not this specific model, pretty much any one will do (though DLP seems like a better choice for watching TV than an LCD based projector, which most of the expensive ones are).

    1. Re:Don't get a flatscreen, get a projector! by Adam+Wiggins · · Score: 2, Informative

      Crap, screwed up that URL. Here's the correct one:

      InFocus X1

  28. Re:Let's buy some... by Valar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In one of my classes, the professor offered 3% bonus if the class could not have one cell phone go off the whole semster. Half way through that class period, a cell phone goes off in the front row.

    ARRRGGHHH.

    People need to get over it. Two years ago, you could afford to be out of the loop for a whole _hour_ to go to class, so why can't you now? Just because you don't have to? Blah.

  29. In other words..... by Sowbug · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For $500, you can turn your $5,000 TV into a $5 poster.