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Land Warrior Army Suits Simplified, Linux-ized

Dosco Jones writes 'The Army is drastically simplifying the makeup of its high-tech soldier ensemble, the Land Warrior, in an effort to make the system less prone to failures and easier to use,' National Defense reports. Defense Tech continues: 'After the last version of Land Warrior failed reliability tests earlier this year, the Army switched gears and decided to make the system less complex and modify the hardware to make it compatible with the new [and controversial] Stryker infantry vehicle. Changes include a more simplified data bus and a Linux-based operating system, as opposed to Windows. 'Evidence shows that Linux is more stable. We are moving in general to where the Army is going, to Linux-based OS', says the program's manager, Lt. Col. Dave Gallop."

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  1. Heh... by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Evidence shows that Linux is more stable
    I'm sure they'll be hearing from Commander Gates about that one shortly...

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    1. Re:Heh... by Nighttime · · Score: 5, Funny

      Evidence shows that Linux is more stable
      I'm sure they'll be hearing from Commander Gates about that one shortly...


      Never mind that, imagine Darl trying to get his $699 licence money:

      Darl: "Oh yeah? You and whose army?"

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      I've got a fever and the only prescription is more COBOL.
    2. Re:Heh... by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
      well the original config was:

      "Land Warrior Initial Capability" (LW-IC) was supposed to be the first step in a long process of networking soldiers together. Each fighter would get equipped with a small, 500 megahertz computer running Windows 2000, a radio, a customized rifle and a helmet-mounted display eyepiece. All of these would be linked together. And all that a soldier sees or says could be sent to each other or to headquarters.

      and the findings were:

      the system was deemed 'unreliable' and unlikely to survive the rigors of combat

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      "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    3. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's called a plot. Something lacking in most video games nowadays.

      Commander Gates is forced into exile on the planet Thoth after Microsoft goes too far one day and puts out a mandatory Longhorn patch that causes the Elders of Zion's computers to crash right in the middle of a marathon session of Predator Pilot:Get the Sand Niggers.

      Ballmer is installed as the new Head of MS after pleasing the Elders with a combination monkey/lap-dance.

      Gates is forced to live a life of hardships and constant toil in the massive cubic zirconium mines of the Slime-Dwelling Dread Beasts of Thoth. He befriends a bearded and filthy GNU/Guru who is enslaved in said mines. The Guru teaches Gates the secrets of Free Software and proper UNIX coding techniques as described by ESR. Years of coding in the One True Way deep in the dark caves of Thoth imbues Gates with the powers that are normally reserved only for a true mother's-basement-dwelling GNU/Hippie.

      The powers grow inside of Gates' once empty human shell, and our unlikely hero has a new goal - The Linux Revolution will be championed by a new Guru. A Guru who knows his enemy as well as the back of his now pick-axe mangled and wrinkled hand.

      Commander Gates begins his long journey towards redemption, and so our game begins...

    4. Re:Heh... by cguerra · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cool, now linux will get dirty with killing people...

    5. Re:Heh... by mikeee · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not Commander Gates they're worried about, it's General Protection Fault.

  2. Scary,,, by DCowern · · Score: 5, Funny

    Each fighter would get equipped with a small, 500 megahertz computer running Windows 2000...

    "Although it has been much improved over earlier prototypes, the system was deemed 'unreliable' and unlikely to survive the rigors of combat," National Defense says.

    The thought of Windows even being considered for such a mission critical application (i.e. keeping our boys alive) scares the bejeezus out of me... kinda brings a new meaning to "blue screen of death".

    1. Re:Scary,,, by EinarH · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's cheap Karma but someone needs to do this:

      Clippy: "It looks like you are trying to press the trigger on your weapon, would you like some help?"

      1. Learn how to reload you new high tech gun with a 20 minute walk-through.
      2. Install new Patriot-skins on the hud of you display.
      3. Get help on the installing the latest Friendly Fire buffer overflow.
      4. Return home and shoot the person who made this sytem.

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      Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.

    2. Re:Scary,,, by Xabraxas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well thank god that's the exception and not the rule, especially since NT may or may not have been responsible for crippling one of those cruisers back in 98 or 99. I have a friend who is an electrical engineer who worked on a project for the navy involving nuclear submarines. While on board he noticed the computers (which were running Windows) and thought it was odd that something so high tech would have computers running Windows on them. He asked the tech guy on board why they used Windows and the guy said it was only for sending email and other menial tasks for the crew members. The "real" computers, that actually did "real" work were all running UNIX.

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      Time makes more converts than reason
    3. Re:Scary,,, by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Murphy's Combat Law #6: Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.

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      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    4. Re:Scary,,, by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2, Funny
      At least its only windows 2000. Can you see it if they included clippy?

      It looks like you're trying to Flank the position. Would you like me to:

      • Lay down covering fire
      • Call in air / artillary support
      • Follow you
      • Draw their fire
    5. Re:Scary,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even better : New updates have been successfully installed. The system will be rebooting in 5,...4...

    6. Re:Scary,,, by JeffTL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because something works (which is contestable, pending evidence) does not mean it is the best tool for the job. The pragmatic fallacy is alluring, but it must be avoided :)

    7. Re:Scary,,, by 3Suns · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rigors of combat? Hell, it doesn't even survive the rigors of internet browsing or playing DVDs. Forget active combat!

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      -3Suns

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      The Revolution will be Slashdotted
    8. Re:Scary,,, by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right! Imagine this:

      Jungle scene: Background battlefield noise, explosions, screams of pain;
      In the bushes: Foreground beep, booting sounds, moan of anguish.

      Wait a sec boys... hold the war! I gotta reboot...

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      Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
    9. Re:Scary,,, by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is easy to do with simple equipment.

      Catstrophic failure is catastrophic failure. A Civil War soldier whose rifle cracks is exactly as out of luck as a Land Warrior whose system crashes.

      (more, actually--the LW can concievably recover from a crashed system when he gets an hour or so, and the system will "know" that his suit's on the fritz. The civil war soldier needs to make do, steal a rifle, or wait for a replacement to be issued.)

  3. Linux, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The cost of war just went up by $699

  4. I hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Marines are going to run FreeBSD, because linux just isn't tough enough.

    1. Re:I hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Marines are going to run FreeBSD

      Yeah, I hear that Marines aren't afraid to die.

    2. Re:I hear... by utahjazz · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the Navy will be using what? Lindows?

      No, they'll use Gentoo. Those filthy beggars, they go from port to port.

  5. Think what might have been... by mr_tommy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fatal error : Could not find gunfile.dll. Please reboot your soldier. now it will be : YOU! STOP, OR I'LL SEND YOU TO /DEV/NULL/.

  6. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The enemy is approaching. Fire away!"
    "I can't, sir... There's no compatible driver for this missile launcher yet!"

  7. Simplify, my butt! by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 5, Funny

    I recommend downgrading all versions of Soldier to the basic "naked man with stick" functionality which was immensely popular and robust for a good portion of the version history of Soldier. There'd be a lot less problems in the long run, as long as all users comply with the downgrade.

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    Freedom: "I won't!"
  8. Product Activation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kind of messy in the midst of combat, having to phone Micro$oft with a soldier's product activation information, so that might be one of the reasons why the Linux choice.

  9. You know what they say about army equipment... by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it's all made by the lowest bidder. And by that criterion, Linux is the clear choice.

    1. Re:You know what they say about army equipment... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it's not all bid on now.

      If there is a product that is better than the others out there, or a specialized product that no one else makes the DoD can buy it outright, do a streamlined bid process or allocate money to commanders or even issue money to a soldier to make up for thier personal purchase.

      Theres a file I found in July talking about what worked and didn't work in Iraq in the equipment the soldiers used, and they covered all sorts of things, from sniper scopes, to Talkabouts to Camelback water bags.

      There was an issue about the Camelbacks the DoD had bought not being as good as some soldiers mail-ordered and that they needed to find out what was up with the current DoD models from thier order.

    2. Re:You know what they say about army equipment... by gmcraff · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know the parent is being funny, but here's a little less funny but more real info from the inside of the process.

      According to the Federal Acquisition Rules (FAR), the contract selection must go to those who provide "best value". "Least bid" is only appropriate when all other factors weight out equally. This assumes that the contracting office is following all the rules, or at least trying to.

      Now, these factors we're talking about are all laid out in the publications soliciting industry input or proposals. Such things as previous contractor performance, technical approach, capabilities proposed vs requirements, the proposed contractor team composition, timelines, certifications like ISO 9000 are used as criteria, or a super- or sub-set of this list. Then the source selection team, which can be very small or very large, goes through each and every one of the proposals received and weighs them up according to criteria estabilished before hand. These criteria are weighed, such as TECHNICAL and TEAM SKILLS being twice as important as any of the rest. COST is one of the factors weighed, but it has been generally accepted that the only person who weights COST to be of equal or higher weight than the other factors combined is a complete idiot because history has show this to be the recipe for a complete catastrophe and waste of taxpayers' money.

      Of course, requirements are the biggest thing in all proper acquisitions. If you don't match up to the requirements, or you can't get there in a series of upgrades or refinements, it doesn't matter how cheap you are. But the real catch is how the requirements are written. If, for example appropriate to this audience, they are written in such a way that only a particular operating system can match up, then only the proposals outlining a system built on that operating system can possibly make it past the first cut. This happens when the requirement writer can't separate his vision for HOW the thing should be built from WHAT it needs to DO. And let's face it: the requirement writer is almost certainly too close to the problem to be able to think of unique or elegant ways to solve the problem with the least resources required. He's more likely to be thinking, "I want a thing that does this, which should be like this thing I already have, only MORE SO." And if what you have is a Windows system, and that's all you know (or you're frightened by this Linux/*BSD/etc stuff), then you'll write the requirements to fit what you know.

      This isn't to say that requirement writers are particularly bad or unqualified people. Some of them are truly excellent. Most just need some training in how to stay in their lanes.

      No, the bad people are the ultraconservative, underinformed, technically no-longer-qualified information security people. They don't like anything that hasn't been previously approved by their organization. Anything new must jump through a hoops process that by the minimum timeline takes YEARS, and they'll change the process twice during your progress and require you to start over. They won't get involved in your acquisition process because they "haven't got time for that", but they have time to tell you to re-engineer the entire system after you spend four years building it because it doesn't fit in with some asinine security regulation that either didn't exist when you started, or is so outdated that it qualified for social security, and almost certainly isn't applicable to your system. You can't argue against them because that would be arguing against SECURITY, and you might as well be questioning the value of MOM and APPLE PIE in their eyes. Their simple word can cost a colonel his star, or a GS-15 his SES, so you've got to be backed up one that a) has a lot of balls; b) takes you seriously; and c) is convinced he should do the job right and the star will attend to itself; to have any chance.

      And how did I come up with these wild revelations about contracting in the government? Well the first half is straight out of t

  10. Land Warrior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing that nobody's managed to explain to me is how your average 11 Bravo is expected to carry an extra fifty-odd pounds of electronics.

    Land Warrior? I'd settle for a fucking infantry boot that wasn't the height of 1950's technology.

    1. Re:Land Warrior by MystikPhish · · Score: 2, Informative
      Ummm... we already got that!

      Thanks for the thought, though!

      I got out in 2000, but I was still in the USMC (0311, grunt, qty. 1) when we switched from the old LPC (Leather Personnel Carrier) to the new boot. I didn't get to try the desert boot, but I really liked the ICB, the first version was a bit hot/heavy, but I have heard from buddies that it is better now.

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      "I'm about to drop the hammer and dispense some indiscriminate justice!"
  11. Sadly by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sadly, we run Windows NT. We'd also never get expensive crap like a warrior suit... hell, my deuce-gear was first issued in 1964 according to the supply ticket.

    Sure, we got the cool new camouflague that makes us look like the Waffen SS, but as far as cool crap like this, we have to wait 5 years for the Army to get tired of playing with it.

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    All's true that is mistrusted
    1. Re:Sadly by hazem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There just aren't enough marines and SF guys out there to do the boring "country occupation" missions.

      Plus, it would be a waste of their advanced training to have them doing such mundane work.

      The Marines are small (in number), but much more elite - they can afford to take only the best. If you eliminated the Army and wanted to expand the marines to compensate, the Marines would be diminished because they would no longer be able to be as selective and elite.

    2. Re:Sadly by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Over in Saudi, for Desert Storm, we were issued M16s without a forward assist. You could fire one shot and then it'd jam. I guess, after that, you could swing it like a bat or throw it. Glad I took along my 1942 RemingtonRand 1911. Just loose enough to keep functioning with all the grit. 37th AeroMedical Evacuation Group (USAFR) MacDill AFB

      That's the Air Force for ya'. They haven't made the M-16 since the mid 60's (M-16A1 has forward assist) and the AF hasn't gotten rid of theirs yet? Of course, PT testing in the AF is riding a stationary bike every 6 months to prove you're not dead, so it's no surprise that they don't have much in the way of combat gear...

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  12. Funny thing about government... by overbyj · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Army chooses Linux to build the soldier of the future but the Department of Homeland Security chooses Windows. Maybe the Army can protect us from the Department of Homeland Security!

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    No trees were harmed in the composition of this; however, numerous electrons were inconvenienced.
  13. More stable? More stable?!? by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    Say good-bye to the promising career of Lt. Col. Dave Gallop.

    Speech like that weakens Windows, which weakens the economy and cuts down on campaign contributions to GOP causes. W and the "Justice" Department will be having Gallop arrested as an obvious enemy combatant any second now.

    More stable. Like that's so important. It hasn't mattered to Windows for years!

  14. Pstt . . . "more reliable" by Idou · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone knows that they are just covering up the fact that they couldn't afford to buy a REAL OS, you know, with the lack of funding the U.S. army gets and all.

    Nobody uses Linux for an other reason than its cost, which is actually more than Windows when you take in account its TCO cause windows has all those neat add ons that make life more productive, like clippy.

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  15. Windows did have some advantages however ... by RedA$$edMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The minesweeper simulation did not seem to adequately train our engineers"

  16. Interesting note by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The LW SI will have a single processor. The previous LW had a dual processor, which frequently malfunctioned. Other changes include a more simplified data bus and a Linux-based operating system, as opposed to Windows. ?Evidence shows that Linux is more stable. We are moving in general to where the Army is going, to Linux-based OS,? said Gallop.

    I'll let other /.ers discuss the reliability of Linux over Windows, but an interesting note is that the original LW had 2 processors but the newer version has 1. The question is whether part of the reliability issues on 2 processors is due to Windows handling multiprocessors or simply the hassles of getting 2 processors to work together. The articles do not discuss in detail what really happened. Simplicity is however a good thing when it comes to reliability. It would be something if the stuck with a 2 processor design but made it work with Linux.

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    1. Re:Interesting note by child_of_mercy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For what they say they want to do processing power needn't be excessive.

      but heat buildup could be a real problem for reliablity.

      I'd imagine passive cooling would be the order of the day too as even quiet fans, heat pumps, peltiers, or whatever would add another point of failure.

      I'm just guessing but a less powerful (in every sense) set up might have made more sense for passively cooled mobile reliability.

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      'There is a Light that never goes out.'
  17. You Can See It Now by deadlinegrunt · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You have loaded new ammo in your gun -- Please contact Microsoft for a new activation key."

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    BSD is designed. Linux is grown. C++ libs
  18. Landwarrior Full Description by rikomatic · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Military Analysis Network has a more complete description of the Landwarrior's various subsystems. Sounds like you would need a very stable OS to handle all the communications, geographic, thermal imaging, and directional software it must be running.

  19. When someones ass is on the line by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well I guess this contradicts Mr. Balmers comments about windows being better because there was someones job at stake. It seems when its a life at stake its time to pick linux.

  20. Re:Stryker? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/gro und/iav.htm

    "In February 2002 the Army named its new interim armored vehicle after two soldiers who received the Medal of Honor. The Stryker is named in honor of Spc. 4 Robert F. Stryker, who received the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Vietnam War, and Pfc. Stuart S. Stryker, who received the award for his actions during World War II. Both men were killed in action. They were not related."

    http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiib1.htm

    "Rank and organization. Private First Class, U.S. Army, Company E, 513th Parachute Infantry, 17th Airborne Division. Place and date: Near Wesel, Germany, 24 March 1945. Entered service at: Portland, Oreg. Birth. Portland, Oreg. G.O. No.: 117, 11 December 1945. Citation. He was a platoon runner, when the unit assembled near Wesel, Germany after a descent east of the Rhine. Attacking along a railroad, Company E reached a point about 250 yards from a large building used as an enemy headquarters and manned by a powerful force of Germans with rifles, machineguns, and 4 field pieces. One platoon made a frontal assault but was pinned down by intense fire from the house after advancing only 50 yards. So badly stricken that it could not return the raking fire, the platoon was at the mercy of German machine gunners when Pfc. Stryker voluntarily left a place of comparative safety, and, armed with a carbine, ran to the head of the unit. In full view of the enemy and under constant fire, he exhorted the men to get to their feet and follow him. Inspired by his fearlessness, they rushed after him in a desperate charge through an increased hail of bullets. Twenty-five yards from the objective the heroic soldier was killed by the enemy fusillades. His gallant and wholly voluntary action in the face of overwhelming firepower, however, so encouraged his comrades and diverted the enemy's attention that other elements of the company were able to surround the house, capturing more than 200 hostile soldiers and much equipment, besides freeing 3 members of an American bomber crew held prisoner there. The intrepidity and unhesitating self-sacrifice of Pfc. Stryker were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service."

    http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohviet2.htm

    "Rank and organization: Specialist Fourth Class, U.S. Army, Company C, 1st Battalion, 26th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Loc Ninh, Republic of Vietnam, 7 November 1967. Entered service at: Throop, N.Y. Born: 9 November 1944, Auburn, N.Y. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Sp4c. Stryker, U.S. Army, distinguished himself while serving with Company C. Sp4c. Stryker was serving as a grenadier in a multicompany reconnaissance in force near Loc Ninh. As his unit moved through the dense underbrush, it was suddenly met with a hail of rocket, automatic weapons and small arms fire from enemy forces concealed in fortified bunkers and in the surrounding trees. Reacting quickly, Sp4c. Stryker fired into the enemy positions with his grenade launcher. During the devastating exchange of fire, Sp4c. Stryker detected enemy elements attempting to encircle his company and isolate it from the main body of the friendly force. Undaunted by the enemy machinegun and small-arms fire, Sp4c. Stryker repeatedly fired grenades into the trees, killing enemy snipers and enabling his comrades to sever the attempted encirclement. As the battle continued, Sp4c. Stryker observed several wounded members of his squad in the killing zone of an enemy claymore mine. With complete disregard for his safety, he threw himself upon the mine as it was detonated. He was mortally wounded as his body absorbed the blast and shielded his comrades from the explosion. His unselfish actions were responsible for saving the lives of at least 6 of his fellow soldiers. Sp4c. Stryker's great personal bravery was in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the U.S. Army."

  21. Re:Bad Image by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I can just picture a bunch of pimply faced geeks with thick glasses joining the military to use super cool linux gadget.

    The US Armed Forces has been activley recruiting "pimply faced geeks with thick glasses" for....well since forever.

    My personal favortive was seening them setup shop at DEFCON. The CIA and FBI were also on hand doing a little recriuting. I'm sure they were also there in a differnt capacity.

  22. Will RedHat be changing its logo now to ... by Scot+W.+Stevenson · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... RedHelmet? Although SuSE might have a leg up here on the bidding, since their logo is already green.

  23. A bit more info (and pictures) of the Stryker by mrAgreeable · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stryker info

    And, of course:
    Stryper info

  24. Somewhere in Washington.... by SeanTobin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steve: "Bill, we have a problem. It appears that not only are second world countries and small states switching to linux. The US Army is beginning to use linux in its new systems." A nervous Steve mentions.

    Shocked, Bill replies "Enough of this. Its time to begin Operation Rotanimret! Is everything in place?"

    Steve: "Yes, the worms are ready. The submarines are still running WindowsCE, and the governator of Califorenia is backing us up."

    Bill: "Excellent! Release the worm immediately. Something tells me this patch won't make it to the update servers any time soon." Bill says ending with an evil "Muhahahahaaa!"

    Steve, now sweaty under the arms reads from an emergency plan: "We had better leave immediately to the bunker. Our estimates show that we will have total control over every windows PC in the world in under 4 hours. Beginning 2 hours from now, the distruction of non-windows pc's will begin."

    Bill: Excelent. To the SUV then!

    -- Bill and Steve are on the road heading to thier secret underground bunker ---

    Bill: Do you remember where the bunker was?

    Steve: Not exactly.. I never drive anywhere myself anymore. I'm pretty sure its in this direction though. I'll just ask the car... AutoPC show me a map to the secret underground bunker.

    --BSOD--

    Bill: Damn. At least this isn't a drive-by-wire SUV. We'd really be in trouble. Give it a second to reboot.

    Bill: AutoPC show me a map to the underground bunker.

    --Map displayed showing bunker is behind them--

    Bill: Darn steve, we have to turn around. Its showing that we passed the bunker.

    --Steve turns around and begins following the map--

    Steve: Well, here we are. It must be under this penguin factory.

    Bill: Wow.. good idea. Whoever hid the secret lair under a penguin factory needs to get a bonus if they survive the nuclear winter we are about to unleash.. in 20 minutes, we need to hurry! Pull in over there.

    Steve: Ok. we're here. What the--- Bill, why is your face on the dashboard map?

    Bill: Don't know.

    AutoPC: Thank you for using AutoPC. This vehicle is being sacrificed to destroy the linux tyrany. Have a nice day!

    Bill and Steve look at each other

    --Car explodes outside the penguin factory--

    [to be continued!]

    [feel free to continue :) ]

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  25. Screw this by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Funny
    I can't wait till we get powered exo-skeleton armor like from Exo-Squad. Seriously, we have the technology, why aren't they implementing it already. Anime has been at the cutting edge of this crap for years! They already have building sized mecha that can fly in space, are powered by nuclear reactors, have city-leveling weapons, AND an interface simple enough to be controlled by any hapless shy boy who happens to find himself in the cockpit during the heat of battle.

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  26. Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Commander Gates - wasn't he in Halo?

    Linux is all very well, but if you want auto-aim and stuff to really piss the opposition off, I'd go into battle with an X-box strapped on my back.

    You can see the Pentagon news briefs; "we can't fight Al Qaeda because they haven't subscribed to X-box Live..."

    1. Re:Halo by guile*fr · · Score: 2, Funny

      hum, that big X on your back is more likely to draw "friendly" fire.

  27. What happened to the Kursk when it tried M$ by Whammy666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Truth About the Kursk Disaster

    Some new information has come to light over the Kursk disaster. For those with short attention spans, the Kursk was the submarine that blew up and sank in the Artic Ocean killing all 118 on board. The Russians tried to blame the incident on a collision with an unidentified object. However, sonar tapes which recorded the blasts (a small one at first, then a much larger one two minutes later) cast doubt on these claims. A whistle blower within the Russian military has leaked that the crew of the Kursk was testing a new type of torpedo when the accident occured. It seemed very likely that the test didn't go quite as planned.

    While rescue efforts to save the survivors of the Kursk failed, salvage crews were able to recover a 'Black Box' from the submarine which contained detailed accounts of the events leading up to the explosion. As luck would have it, we got a copy of those tapes.

    It turns out that the submarine crew was trying to load Microsoft Windows on their fire control computer. Their intent was to replace the aging CP/M operating system with the flashier Windows OS. Apparently, the Russians didn't know about the legendary stability problems exhibited by Windows. The log tapes make this painfully obvious:

    Captain: Is the new fire control Windows OS installed yet Comrade?
    Seaman: Almost Sir. We just need to finish filling out the registration card.
    Captain: Excellent. Soon we will be able to point and click our enemies into oblivian.
    [evil laughter in background]
    Seaman: Comrade Captain! It is booting! Look, it says "Preparing to run Windows for the first time".
    [long pause]
    Seaman: Arrgh! Sir, it wants me to reboot again. That makes the 27th time.
    Captain: Hmmm. This is not encouraging. Go ahead and reboot again.
    Seaman: Aye Sir.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: Captain, it is up again. It says it found new hardware ... A CD-ROM drive and that it needs drivers.
    Captain: Where are the drivers?
    Seaman: On the CD-ROM.
    Captain: You are joking, right?
    Seaman: No Sir.
    Captain: Reboot the damn thing again. I am starting not to like this Windows.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: Sir! It is back! It says it found the Gorby2000 Torpedo and is looking for the device drivers. Do we have a driver disk?
    Captain: I do not think so.
    Seaman: I will tell it to use the default drivers.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: Crap. It wants to reboot again.
    Captain: How many times are we going to reboot today? This is taking forever. Our hull is going to rust out before this works.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: Sir! It is up and this time it is not asking for anything!
    Captain: Really? No device drivers? No registration cards? No user profiles?
    Seaman: No Sir. I think it is ready.
    Captain: Good work comrade. Now click on the fire control icon and let us see how this works.
    Seaman: Clicking now, Sir.
    [another long pause]
    Captain: Why does the fire control screen have a dancing paper clip on it?
    Seaman: I have no idea Sir.
    Captain: Hmmm, well try clicking on the menu.
    Seaman: Aye Sir. Let us see; Open E-mail, Spam a friend, Mail a Virus, Fire a Torpedo.
    Captain: We will spam a friend later. Let us fire a torpedo.
    Seaman: Aye Sir.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: It is asking us to load the torpedo and to click when ready.
    Captain: Torpedo room, load a torpedo in tube number 1!
    [intercom:] This is the Torpedo room. The torpedo is loaded Sir.
    Captain: Click on the continue button.
    Seaman: Aye Sir.
    [another long pause]
    Seaman: It is asking for a target Sir.
    Captain: Hmmm, target the Rainbow Warrior.
    Seaman: Aye Sir. Damn! It says the torpedo is low on ink.
    Captain: Click ignore. We will get some ink when we return to base.
    Seaman: Aye Sir. We are ready to fire.
    Captain: Very good. You may fire when ready comrade.
    Seaman: Firing torpe

    --
    When all else fails, run.
  28. Re:Stryker is a piece of crap by Licinius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tires are a very good idea. They are much quieter than tracked vehicles and more agile in certain terrain than tracks. Wheeled vehicles are also usually faster. (The tires on Stryker are also run-flat, so they aren't going to be stuck if even all eight tires go flat.)

    Because the development of Stryker was fairly quick, there was no requirment for it to have RPG resistant armor from the very beginning. It will eventually feature armor which can withstand RPGs which is in testing right now.

    I think you're confusing Stryker's mission. It's not for attacking other armored vehicles, it's for transporting troops where they're needed in a rapid manner. The guns on it are for defensive purposes. The Army isn't stupid, they wouldn't send Strykers into risky situations without proper support from vehicles and aircraft which are meant to destroy moving armored targets.

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  29. OK, what the stryker is all about by Wellspring · · Score: 5, Informative

    The army's been very good about its transformation plan. In case some /. readers haven't heard it in its full glory, here it is:

    OK, pre-9/11, the Army embarked on a very controversial plan. Basically, they looked at all the wars that we have any realistic chance of being in. Then they looked at what we have to fight them.

    The problem was this: we have oodles of heavy tanks, which pretty much kick all kinds of ass. But they can only win where they can be brought to bear. They're so heavy that they require massive transportation time and cost (not to mention a friendly port to set up in). Another problem is that while tracked vehicles can be heavier and go places that wheeled vehicles can't, they are very maintenance intensive. They need lots of fuel and spare parts, which requires still more ships or a massive airlift.

    Bottom line: unless we're fighting on the Korean penninsula or in Europe, where were pre-positioned, it would take six months to fight a war anywhere, and that's assuming we had a friendly neighbor to give us a place to set up in.

    The result was the Army transformation plan. The idea is that they would get phase out most of their heavy tank divisions, and replace them with smaller, modular formations called Brigade Combat Teams. The BCT's job would be this: assuming the Air Force can clear a drop zone, we ought to be able to put a brigade anywhere in the world, opposed or not, within 96 hours of the President saying so. Four brigades within 14 days, and more (I don't remember how many) within 90 days. That's even if we drop in the middle of a shooting enemy.

    One way we could do this was to get a vehicle that could be a little less armed and armored, and could be a little less mobile, but MUST be air-transportable. That's the Stryker. Think of it (excuse the roleplaying reference) as an Omnimech: a vehicle that is designed to be reconfigurable to do lots of different missions. So there's a communications loadout, and a tank-killer loadout and an infantry-carrier loadout, and lots more.

    Post 9/11 lessons have been mixed. On one hand, invincible tanks in Germany did us absolutely no good when we suddenly found ourselves at war in Afghanistan. On the other, when we had a year to move them to Iraq, our tanks did extremely well-- and as DefenseTech points out, absorbs fire that would have destroyed Strykers. The gripping hand is that long occupations like Iraq are better suited to Strykers, LAV's or armored Hummers than to heavy tanks and APC's.

    So, like most things, one tech isn't necessarily better or worse than another. You use whatever best fits the situation you're in. On that basis, I like the Stryker. An all-Stryker Army? No. But it is a very valuable program.

    Most American war plans in the 90's were built around the idea of a set-piece conflict with an adversary (like China, Iraq or North Korea) that while not exactly equal in technology was at least comparable. 9/11 proved that asymmetrical conflicts would also happen: conflicts where the enemy's main goal is to demoralize our political leadership because they can't defeat us militarily.

    And in those cases, we can't count on someone granting us entry, we may need to move very fast, and it might be in some remote corner of the world, far from our forces.

    Related to that is improved command and control. Many of our casualties in the Gulf War were friendly-fire, so the Army worked on reducing that, too. Vehicles can now see on a map where others in their unit are (just like in a first-person shooter like BF1942). The problem is that the equipment is still too heavy and battery-draining to be useful for infantry. Hopefully, a vehicle-run 'subnet' can help alleviate this. And running it w/ Linux will hopefully improve efficiency and reliability.

    Overall, I think the Army's on the right track with this. I'd hate to lose our heavy tank divisions-- those come in mighty handy. But a less powerful force that can actually get to the battle is better than an invincible juggernaut that is stranded somewhere else.

    1. Re:OK, what the stryker is all about by Cema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This seems to be one of those cases where diversity of options is really important.

      Back to computer science. Seems like the best option for the army (and marines and other military types) here is to have an offshoot from a well established OS. Linux is much more manageable than MS Win, and it is open and free (free from legal battles too, not the least of considerations) and readily available now. Since the US military is not going to sell the offshoot, its proprietary version of Linux would not violate GPL, LGPL and other appropriate agreements. I am not sure they will contribute back to the community though... however, many important pieces might go back, since all the important military logic should properly be contained in the application layer, not in Linux per se. The OS may not even be rewritten for the military applications, just tweaked.

      Disclaimer: I do not know what I am talking about. No relation to the US military, no active relation to any other military.

  30. Maybe they learned from the Navy's mistake by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All comments about the Stryker aside, maybe the Army's trying to learn something from the Navy. I'd like to think that leaving the cruiser USS Yorktown dead in the water for 2 1/2 hours due to a divide by zero error would motivate a switch from microsoft to something more robust. I'd also like to think asses of the dimbulbs in charge are still smarting from the cornholing courtmartial they received, but they probably got promoted instead.

  31. Interesting choice of headline... by The+Gline · · Score: 3, Funny

    If this wasn't Slashdot, it would probably be something like "Linux Now Bring Used To Kill More People Than Windows".

    [note to mods: THIS IS FUNNY]

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  32. Somewhat true by LaissezFaire · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Army does use SCO for a bunch of her computer systems, like for Field Artillery fire direction. It's kind of fun to watch people discover that backspace and delete aren't what they're used to.

  33. Re:The Message Is Clear by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How so? Don't just throw out an unsupported statement. Grow a couple and don't be a pussy.

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  34. US Government & GPL? by dnobel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I've got a question... Does the government release the source for what they're doing? When the modifications made to the source are pivotal to "national security," could the government potentially violate the GPL and attribute it to the greater good of the nation?

    How about this... how would any civilian even know they're violating the GPL? Access to these computers would presumably pretty tight. Just something to ponder over...

  35. Re:What did you really expect? by sniggly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are actually "entrusting vital systems to an OS that" they can have total control over themselves. "They are learning through experience" that win2k is not stable enough for their purposes and that the "high quality OS for free" is good enough for IBM, Dell and HP. Since DARPA has a large core of UNIX programmers Linux is pretty much the obvious choice. The initial choice for win2k probably went against the grain of DARPA developers to begin with. "Where else than in OSS land do you get anything for basicly nothing?" Sunlight and stellar fusion is the basis of all energy on our planet. Nobody charges for that. Except those who have monopolized energy.

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  36. Re:Is this really *that* good? by Voivod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Parent is dumb. Embedded systems are not designed like that system on your desktop. Typically in embedded applications you have a watchdog timer which will reboot the system within ms of the system locking up. With Linux this will take just a few seconds, and the system was running in RAM so no need to worry about disk corruption.

  37. Spaceman Spiff by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This reminds me of an episode of Calvin and Hobbes where ole' Spiff almost doesn't make it.

  38. i think... by mr_burns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the real advantage to using Linux as opposed to Windows in this instance is the ability to strip the OS down to the bare essentials required to accomplish the mission.

    Windows is the kind of OS where cramming in as many features as possible is more important than many other things. Hence, this system running Windows is likely hogging up cycles and draining battery performing tasks that aren't needed or even wanted in a battlefield.

    But with Linux you can strip it down so that every cycle is a neccessary one. Plus the NSA has plenty of experience hardening the kernel per it's whimsy.

    The Military has experience fielding unix in ground combat systems. It's been proven time and again in combat. A Linux solution (or an embedded linux solution) allows the Army to customize even the very low levels of the software in addition to the legendary reliability it enjoys in other systems.

    Windows has neither of those things and frankly is not suited to an environment where taking time to patch the OS or troubleshoot could cost you your life.

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  39. But which distro? by denks · · Score: 3, Funny
    This all brings about the interesting question of which distro they will use:

    Gentoo: they would have the best weapons platform imaginable, but it would be functional only 1 week every month, the rest of the time would be spent compiling

    Debian: they would have the most stable / reliable system, however instead of being compatible with Stryker, it would only be compatible with a WW2 Sherman, as this is the only piece of machinery certified as stable

    Red Hat: they would have a fine piece of equipment, until they tried upgrading, then realised they also needed to upgrade their helmets. Upon upgrading their helmets they would realise that the new helmets would not work with their rifles. Upon upgrading rifles they realise that the new rifles are a version too high for their computers.

    LFS: Each soldier must get a university degree in computer science before being allowed near the equipment.

    GNU / Hurd: Soldier: "FIRE" Computer: "I cannot until you say GNU/Fire" Soldier: "OK, GNU/Fire at the enemy behind the building" Computer: "I cannot until you GNU/say GNU/Fire at GNU/the GNU/enemy behind GNU/the GNU/building...GNU"

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  40. you underestimate the Army by wattersa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Army has an extensive selection process for new weapons, and they have stayed with the M16 series for 35 years now-- had something that better fits the needs of the troops and logistical requirements come along in the interim, you can bet that DoD would be using it. Developments in the 1980s with lasers and caseless ammunition (e.g. the HK G11 rifle) failed to improve on the performance of the M16 series, and DoD has continued to procure the M16 and more recently the M4 Carbine (a popular shortened version of the M16 issued to officers, tank crews, and troops other than front line riflemen). The current manufacturer of the M16 is FN Herstal in Belgium, and Colt is the manufacturer of the M4 Carbine. Both pieces are high-quality compared to a lot of junk in the private market. There are any number of manufacturers of M16/AR-15-type rifles, but Colt consistently brings the highest prices in private sales-- "if it's not a Colt, it's just a copy," as they say. While it is certainly possible to buy a better-quality AR-15 from a custom manufacturer, the Colt/FN combination offers DoD the best balance of cost, quality, and production capacity. There are developments under way now that may limit the useful life of currently issued weapons, but every rifle the DoD issues is designed to serve for many years in many sets of hands, with parts being replaced as needed. Check out your local Army surplus store and you'll see all manner of accessories, uniforms, and equipment that the DoD issues to its troops-- most of the *officially issued* stuff is high quality, while the aftermarket knockoffs are junk. You might be surprised at what gets issued...the Soldier Systems Center recently added the Vietnam-style Tomahawk to the Army infantryman's basic load.

  41. All they really need... by ReyTFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is an augmented reality display that'll show friendlies with green names over their heads, and enemies with red ones ^.^

  42. The most reliable weapon you will ever carry ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Drill Instructor: "This is the seven inch combat knife, affectionately known as the KABAR. It has zero electronics and zero moving parts. It is the most reliable weapon you will every carry."

    Guys, it ain't the OS. Environmental, maintenance, electronic, and embedded application issues are far more likely to cause problems. The OS issue may be a red herring. The article seems to indicate that the original Land Warrior dual CPU hardware was flaky and is being replaced by a piece of hardware from a different project with a single CPU, simplified bus, and is already running Linux. It's not clear if WinNT is really to blame. Recall the initial speculation regarding the Navy's USS Yorktown incident. Many gleefully blamed WinNT, eventually folks talked to the Chief Engineer on board at the time and the actual software developer and found out that it was not WinNT, it was a debug version of application software that was at fault.

    Personally, I'd wager that Linux was simply a better fit (size, overhead) for the "other" embedded application. Or maybe the team was more experience with Unix than Windows. Switching the Land Warrior over to Linux to maintain commonality with other systems would justify the change as well.

  43. Re:Fuck This by GypC · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because as we all know, if the all of the world's militaries disappeared, why overnight, the whole world would live in harmony and peace. Especially if firearms were illegal everywhere. Then, no one would have any guns (because killers hate to break the law) or armies, and physically powerful gangs of merciless cutthroats with lots of sword and archery practice would definitely NOT roam the land pillaging and raping peaceful farmers and artisans. It's unthinkable, it's never happened. Why, before there were guns and armies, all people lived in a blessed Utopia free of disease, famine, rampaging predators and rival tribes trying to eat you. It was only when evil men created cities and armies to protect themselves (from God knows what! there was nothing to fear!) that life became to unbearably harsh and, GASP, *BABIES WERE KILLED*! Later, firearms were invented that allowed evil old ladies to actually protect themseleves from gangs of virile young criminals by, *HORROR*, SHOOTING THEM AND HURTING, OR EVEN KILLING THEM!

    This madness must stop. I demand a return to good old days when there was no war, disease, guns, filthy capitalist pigs, or PVC packaging that's fucking impossible to open.

  44. So... what prevents a DDOS of soldiers? by digital+photo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    don't get me wrong, I love tech, but what prevents someone from DDOS's our soldiers?

    This network performs intel in both directions. What prevents the soldiers from either having their signal blocked or worse, having their communication systems overwhelmed by data flooding and/or debilitating noise from their headsets?

    [joke]Or worse yet... be distracted by streaming music and live porn video feeds..[/joke]