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Evolving the Social Network

arantius writes "An article on BottomQuark points to a new development: Here's a story about a new start-up Huminity, referred to as the technology of the year. The software they produce combines instant messaging, chat, and social networking. After burning through over $30k of personal funds, the team has now raised millions for their company. We've heard about Friendster recently, but somehow this seems more interesting." Jamie adds: Social networking was in the news recently because this patent apparently covers much of it. It was bought for $700K by the two underdogs and may be used to beat up on Friendster. Don't worry, the guy who wrote Slashdot's friend-of-friend code doesn't think we're affected :)

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  1. ON TEH SPOKE!!~1 GET AWL UP ON IT!!!`11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  2. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FP After loooong time :)

    1. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      so you sat there for how long wasting bandwidth refreshing constantly, only to fail it?!?!

      wow, how humiliating

    2. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      FP After loooong time :)

      you must be using friendster.

  3. That patent is illogical. by Thinkit3 · · Score: -1, Troll

    Because all patents are illogical.

    --
    -Libertarian secular transhumanist
    1. Re:That patent is illogical. by diersing · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We are since we are under slashdot effect bare with us :). Hope you will enjoy the Huminity software.

      The Huminity team

      Nice, sites now have Slashdot protection.

    2. Re:That patent is illogical. by rsadelle · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like it that they're asking us to get naked with them. I guess that's a fast way to get to know new people.

    3. Re:That patent is illogical. by dspyder · · Score: 1

      And how can we enjoy their software? I thought it didn't run on Linux?

      --D

  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  5. Somehow this seems more interesting... by bcolflesh · · Score: -1

    That's caused by the fumes from burning $30k of personal funds.

  6. What? by eurleif · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    And exactly what is Social Networking? Nothing linked to from here seems to explain, at least without paying Business 2.0 for a subscription.

    1. Re:What? by symbolic · · Score: 1


      Social networking is just a fancy term for "meeting people". I'm guessing they had to call it something interesting in order to get funding.

    2. Re:What? by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      More than that really. You want to google up for "scale-free networks" and, perhaps, "Axelrod's Model of Social Influence"; the term 'social network' is actually in scientific papers these days.

  7. Love Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Naughty Vulcans Need Love Too

    http://www.lunaticlounge.com/treklove/

  8. NAACP honors GNAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    NAACP honors GNAA

    Charlotte, NC (Reuters AP)
    November 12, 2003

    At an exclusive fried chicken and watermelon gala held this past Monday at North Carolina State University's Diversity Center, the Reverend Jessie Jackson delivered a powerful oration on behalf of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), honoring the accomplishments and spirit of equality embodied by the Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA).

    "The GNAA has paved the way for young gay men of color to express their homosexuality in a mutually supportive, nurturing atmosphere," said Jackson. "What started on Slashdot has truly become a national phenomenon, that transcends prior preconceptions of what it means to be a horny young nigger-faggot looking for a tender piece of that glistening, succulent ebony asshole."

    Also in attendance were CmdrTaco and Hemos, in full master/bitch BDSM leather-wear. Jackson ended his speech with the admonition that all in attendance masturbate furiously. They then proceeded to do so for a good half hour.

  9. And for us... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

    And, for /.ers, we'll have anti-social networking (esp. for the gnaa, goatse.cx, penisbird, and tubgirl trolls :-)

    1. Re:And for us... by rakkasan · · Score: 1

      Just what I need to hook up with someone even more anti-social than myself. Maybe we can swap tips on how to ignore people.

      --
      The problem is choice..
  10. Oh Look, Slashdot knows the guys at Humanity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Funny



    So, their software is great!

  11. Some network by cryptochrome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apparently, the only social network they recognize is the one amongst windows users. Well, I guess there's always slashdot...

    --

    ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

    1. Re:Some network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because MSCE's are much more suave.

    2. Re:Some network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expect social network drivers in linux-2.6.4 and higher.

    3. Re:Some network by Mechanik · · Score: 1

      Apparently, the only social network they recognize is the one amongst windows users. Well, I guess there's always slashdot...

      Yeah because we all know how socially adept Slashdotters are...

      Half of us probably looked at the term "social networking" and were hoping that it was some sort of geekspeak for sex. :-)


      Mechanik

    4. Re:Some network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      The State Of KDE

      We have seen a lot of important news regarding the KDE project over recent week, so it is worth pausing to consider the ramifications.

      Let us start with the recent acquisition of SUSE by Novell. SUSE was the biggest Linux distributor (though still dwarfed by Red Hat) to use KDE as its default desktop. SUSE has, for many years, neglected to package the GNOME desktop properly or even do basic Q&A... much to the delight of KDE fanatics. Now, however, Novell has purchased the SUSE linux distribution and Ximian, a company best known for the producing the most polished and professional desktop available for Linux (GNOME-based). The obvious conclusion to be drawn from this is that KDE is about to lose its main commercial support.

      Let us take a look at some of the reasons why this is so:

      • GNOME has always been the commerical desktop of choice. It has long been focussed on getting the basics right and building from there... as opposed to the KDE Project, which is entirely aimed at pleasing the slashdot peanut gallery with pointless eye-candy. KDE features are thrown into the mix with little or no regard for usability, or even good taste. The end result is disasterous, as can be seen by anyone unforunate enough to be forced into using it.
      • KDE is extremely expensive to develop for, unless you intend to produce GPL software. TrollTech, the owners of KDE and Qt, license the X11 version of their Qt toolkit under the GPL. This forces anyone wanting to develop software built on top of it (including KDE), to be (L)GPL licensed -- or pay TrollTech $3000 for every developer you have working on the application to purchase a commercial license.
      • TrollTech is also vulnerable to takeover by companies hostile to Free software and good corporate lawyers who can blow holes in the laughable FreeQt agreements.
      • Qt's/KDE lack of accessiblity. Accessiblity is vital feature for a modern desktop. A desktop cannot be sold to the U.S. government unless it supports the features necessary for disabled users to make full use of it. The lack of said feature effectively cuts it off from the biggest software purchaser of all. GNOME has spent the last 18 months and more doing the ground-work and developing/polishing the accessiblity of the GNOME desktop (thanks to the fine work of Sun engineers). KDE has spent the time making *fake* translucent menus to help make impressive screenshots. Over the next few months you can expect increasing numbers of near-orgasmic announcements of weak accessiblity support from the KDE project, as the full extent of their folly and just how far they are behind GNOME finally becomes obvious to them. The end result will be, as with all KDE features, half-assed and broken -- designed only to function as a marketing feature tick-box filler.
      • Novell is already engaged in training its engineers in development using GTK/GNOME -- not Qt/KDE.
      • Nat Friedman (co-founder of Ximian), recently made a post to slashdot explaining the take-over and future directions. Much has been made of Novell's claims that it will continue to "support" KDE, but this is merely as legacy software. As Nat's post makes clear, the future of Novell is GNOME and the push for a single dominant desktop.
      • Many desperate and ignorant (ie. most of them) KDE advocates are clinging to the idea that Novell will run KDE with Ximian/GNOME's superior software like Evolution. Little do they realise that running Evolution is running GNOME without the panel apps. Evolution is deeply integrated into GNOME... running a KDE desktop with Evolution is the height of stupidity and only adds to the extraordinary bloat and sloth assocated with KDE. Why would a company maintain, develop and test two different code bases? They wouldn't... hence the reason why KDE is dead at SUSE.
      • Finally, and most damning of all, TrollTech is par
    5. Re:Some network by wed128 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Half of us probably looked at the term "social networking" and were hoping that it was some sort of geekspeak for sex. :-)

      Finally an interface where slower throughput is good...too bad firmware revisions don't last too long!
    6. Re:Some network by hrdtlk · · Score: 1

      wine anyone? http://www.winehq.com/

    7. Re:Some network by GregWebb · · Score: 1

      Input I understand but _throughput_? That sounds nasty.

      --

      Greg

      (Inside a nuclear plant)
      Aaaarrrggh! Run! The canary has mutated!

    8. Re:Some network by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      Apparently, the only social network they recognize is the one amongst windows users.

      Who needs friends anyway.

    9. Re:Some network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wants to be friends with a smelly windows user anyway ?

    10. Re:Some network by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      Half of us probably looked at the term "social networking" and were hoping that it was some sort of geekspeak for sex

      Well actually, have you seen friendster? I'm not sure if it's much more then an elaborate dating network...

      And I keep getting ads for "Hot asian girls" on their site. Hello, I'm married, not interested...

      --
      "Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
  12. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Social Network evolves YOU!

  13. windows only. by azcoffeehabit · · Score: 1

    there doesnt seem to be a linux version available, I guess this means that linux users have all of the friends and IM they could ever need... seriously though, it really isnt too much more work to make a linux frontend to a network backend. I guess we will just have to wait for the next major version of gaim.

    --
    :)(smile)
    1. Re:windows only. by newshooze · · Score: 0

      Ha Ha. Linux users and social interaction...um...ok.

      Strange Michigan Laws

    2. Re:windows only. by Nykon · · Score: 1

      well they were developing the product on their own personal income. Now that they hav some serious VC I am sure we can expect at least an OS X version :) if not a linux one.

      --
      "It's better to be a pirate then join the Navy"
    3. Re:windows only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there doesnt seem to be a linux version available

      Geez, could you take a hint, dude?

  14. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    si20 won't solve the problem of spam, it will just keep people who weren't going to buy junk from spam from reading the solicitations for junk. Yet, you still come up with a non-solution that flat doesn't work. If you want to provide a real service, gimme a reply, I'll explain it, but not if you don't wanna hear.

    --
    "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
    1 John 4:14
  15. performance by kaan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Huminity can beat the performance (or lack of it) for services like Friendster, I'd give it my vote. I think I have 14 people in my "friends" list on Friendster, and a Personal Network of nearly 400,000, and it is almost entirely impossible to do just about anything within the service. Sometimes, I can't even login without a browser timeout. Huminity might be able to do really well if they can get decent performance, or even just perceived performance through the use of caching tricks, saved data, etc.

    1. Re:performance by sfjoe · · Score: 1

      . Sometimes, I can't even login without a browser timeout. Try tribe.net. Similar to Friendster except it actually works.

      --
      It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
    2. Re:performance by dspisak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tribe.net works because its database servers have not yet come close to getting 1M+ users on it.

      Any database backend works at that small a scale, its once you go past the .5M-1.0M+ range where database backends start to become really important for these kinds of sites.

    3. Re:performance by dspisak · · Score: 1

      Friendster has had a lot of growing pains once they got past the 1M+ mark.

      MySpace.com is like Friendster but has more features and seems to work better then Friendster. It also works faster then Friendster. However I think they are only now reaching the .5M mark.

    4. Re:performance by Uhlek · · Score: 1

      The key problem with Friendster is the proliferation of fake people in the network.

      I have exactly four friends on my list. One of them is mated to "Strongbad" as a friend -- which nets me a personal network of nearly 9,000 people.

      The other three are stubs off of me.

    5. Re:performance by sfjoe · · Score: 1


      Your arbitrary 1M limit only applies to poorly written web applications.

      --
      It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
    6. Re:performance by dspisak · · Score: 1

      The next question to follow then is:

      How do they guarantee someone setting up an account is real?

      One method would be to let someone use their credit card as a way of authorizing. Not actually charge anything, just doing a check on the name and address that way. You could then lockout people with multiple cards making fake accounts by only letting one name and one card auth...further different cards under the same name would be stopped from allowing to reg.

      But you will still have to deal with the very serious issues of scaling the database with the userbase and handling the enormous amount of image traffic such a site generates.

    7. Re:performance by dspisak · · Score: 1

      Show me a website that is database driven and has to figure out multipathed connections between all parts of it, in real-time, while users are able to logon and mess around with their information and add/remove users from their ring of friends.

      Not to mention the mountain of emails such a system generates notifing users when someone has posted on their profile, or requested to be added, etc.

      And then you have the massive amounts of images such a site has to store and quickly serve up since the point of such a site is to find your friends or new friends and you gotta have photos to be able to see what the people (hopefully) look like.

      Now backup all of this in a transparent way from the users!

      And while your doing all of this make sure that the site stays responsive to the thousands and thousands of people logged in simultaneously smalling your core database.

      Still think 1 million unique users is an arbritary limit of a poorly coded webapp like this?

    8. Re:performance by dspisak · · Score: 1

      er s/smalling/slamming/

    9. Re:performance by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, I can't even login without a browser timeout. Huminity might be able to do really well if they can get decent performance, or even just perceived performance through the use of caching tricks, saved data, etc.

      Well, I noticed one advantage over friendster right away.

      The Huminity download is an .exe file. Is it even a web (http) app? A plugin?

      Why is a .exe necessary in this case? Can it do something that a well-tuned web app & well-tuned datbase cannot do?

      Most of these other social networks use the Web. Why not huminity?

      I've been burned too often in the past by .exe's from small companies, why should I trust Huminity?

      --
      "Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
    10. Re:performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      so you're saying that only 1 'john smith' is allowed to use the system?

      Nice solution, eisenstein!

  16. $4 million? That's nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Palestinians have raised billions to build better suicide bombs.

    1. Re:$4 million? That's nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arafat himself has embezzled 600 million.

  17. Damn Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I hope that they don't get patent happy about something trivial, like this company.

  18. This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 1

    to the exceedingly anti-social. Don't we deserve some programming effort too?

    1. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.templeofhate.com

    2. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      You got some programming effort, it's called Everquest.

    3. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by spektr · · Score: 1

      This new technolgy is not very helpful to the exceedingly anti-social. Don't we deserve some programming effort too?

      I already have a really great solution for this.
      But I share it with nobody!

    4. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      The technology you seek already exists. Press the "Power" button on your computer and voila!

      --
      Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
    5. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by jonnyfivealive · · Score: 1

      screw you

      go away

      i mean... thats what you can say to people to continue being exceedingly anti-social, you dont need software for it

    6. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nicely played, sir.

    7. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by ChozCunningham · · Score: 1

      There's already been a great solution for anti-socials: do-it-yourself.

    8. Re:This new technolgy is not very helpful ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technology you seek already exists. Press the "Power" button on your computer and voila!

      Better yet, hold the thing down for six seconds.

  19. obvious, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The social network is limited to windows users. If the point is to connect with other people, it should be available to all people with a computer and an internet connection.. not just computers running windows.

  20. Dork out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With cell phones more available to teenagers, and the teenagers that get em being cool... The number of people a single person has contact with is greater.

    People have a larger pool of people to interact with now than say 20 years ago. Especially with population growth.

    The cultures that exist are more conforming, and reach more people across a larger area.

    You can totally become a statistics nerd charting the reasons that there are skateboarding chicks now, but 10 years ago, skateboarders were skatefags.

  21. Network of friends = useless? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does knowing whose friend is whose help me make friends? Really, it is just a complicated, expensive way of saying, "here are some people. Maybe you'll get along, maybe you won't, but your friend knows them."
    In reality, if I don't have many friends, I won't have many friends of friends, and if I have a lot of friends, why would I need this service? Therefore, it will end up a network of 1:1 connections.

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    stuff |
    1. Re:Network of friends = useless? by aafiske · · Score: 1

      You assume that the only friends your friends have are you. In fact, people tend to have a few friends who don't know each other, and eventually you're likey to run into one of the 'hub' people who have a ton of friends, thus connecting you to a broad range of folks.

      Not to say there's any particular _use_ in this, I just don't think you're right claiming it'll be all 1-1 connections.

    2. Re:Network of friends = useless? by baileytal · · Score: 1

      I disagree... at least in theory. If I am a rather introverted person (as I actually am), but my friends aren't, then I will have access to many more people than I would normally through my own behaviour. I'm not saying I'm antisocial, I'm saying I'm introverted -- there are some important differences. My extroverted friends shouldn't really mind if I piggyback on their outgoing nature in this way, because it's a hell of a lot easier than introducing me through more conventional means.

      --
      Never at a loss for words... because of the voices.
    3. Re:Network of friends = useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Well, in the PGP Web of Trust model, the idea is that the more people who you know have signed a stranger's key, the more likely you are to believe that key is correct. The network isn't useless; it gives you a subjective measure of the likelihood of an identity being correct.

      Then there's that old AIDS commercial. (Weird way of putting it -- makes it sound like someone wants to sell AIDS.) "When you sleep with someone, you're sleeping with everyone they've slept with, and everyone they've slept with, etc." The idea being that if you have unprotected sex with one person, you still might be exposed to a lot of risk. The network isn't useless; it can "successfully" transmit HIV to you.

      Then there's DNS. My computer doesn't know www.slashdot.org, but my computer does know a resolver who knows a root server who knows an .org server who knows slashdot.org who knows www.slashdot.org. Kind of a weird example, I guess.

      Then there's your old college buddy. He knows a cute girl, but he already has an SO. So he introduces you to her. You stare into each other's eyes and declare your love in a sappy, sickening display that would even make TL grimace uncomfortably. You get married and live happily ever after. Was the network useless?

    4. Re:Network of friends = useless? by 3rdParty · · Score: 1

      That depends. If you have a nasty break-up down the road, do you still thank your friend for hooking you up, or do you ask him why he didn't warn you about her cheating ways?

    5. Re:Network of friends = useless? by cfuse · · Score: 1
      Really, it is just a complicated, expensive way of saying, "here are some people. Maybe you'll get along, maybe you won't, but your friend knows them.

      Will it tell you who to avoid? I've always found this to be far more useful than who to associate with (I can work that out for myself thanks)

    6. Re:Network of friends = useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, how about if the cute girl ends up giving you AIDS...

      Sometimes efficiency ain't such a good thang.

    7. Re:Network of friends = useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Cool analogies!

      So if you only sleep around in a tight group of friends, you're safe, right?

      I'm not sure I trust the root servers. Anyone know of a group of DNS-friends more trustworthy than verisign.

  22. Johnny doesn't play well with the other children by spidergoat2 · · Score: 0

    So why does he want to go online and be nasty to strangers in cyberspace? I suppose, because someone creates a new application that lets him.

  23. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  24. An offtopic question to Slashdotters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    The majority of the posts I've seen on this site concerning the abortion issue are pro-choice, however, there are a few pro-life comments. Usually the discussion centers around religion, but I don't think it has to.

    I'm pro-life, but not because my religion says so. Pro-life doesn't mean just opposing abortion, but supporting life in any and all cases. It means opposing euthanasia and capital punishment. I'll admit, the death penalty may have a place, if applied correctly, but in the United States, it's applied very unfairly. Being pro-life means opposing murder and terrorism. It also means opposing unjust wars, because war leads to loss of life. To me, this is what pro-life means. It means supporting the right to life of every human from conception to natural death.

    I'll admit some wars are justified, such as stopping Hitler in the second world war. And if applied fairly, the death penalty might have a place. But that's not the point. I believe that being pro-life isn't about religion. It's about not drawing a line about when it's acceptable to kill and when it isn't.

    What do you think?

  25. But what.. by clifgriffin · · Score: 1

    is the reality of the product they have created?

    Is it all the innovative compared to other solutions?

    Flash in the pan if you ask me.

    Blogzine
    Fortress of Insanity

  26. friend of friend by edrugtrader · · Score: 2, Informative

    isn't the friend of friend code just a single SQL query?

    restricting access to data reports based on patents as a business model is dumb. actually, i think i'm going to go patent that now.

    --
    MARIJUANA, SHROOMS, X: ONLINE?! - E
    1. Re:friend of friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      isn't the friend of friend code just a single SQL query?

      If you only have 1 friend!

    2. Re:friend of friend by smackjer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cease and Desist! You are in violation of the DMCA, and your terror will end now, violator! The lawyers will be knocking on your door in 3... 2...

      --

      This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
  27. Social cost of not having social appraisal by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hasn't some fairly high-profile company (MS ?) recently dumped online forums as too risky to have on their books ? In an ever-more-litigious society you have to wonder how it'll pan out if it turns out 'drugrunners-R-us' have been using you as a common carrier. Are you really a common carrier ? Really ? Sure ?

    The problem with "recommend a friend" is that it's too close to "recommend a fiend" for comfort. You really have no web of trust - it's all what X says about A says about C ... K.

    I'm just about the most anti-regulation-on-the-net person you'll meet (ask my MP :-) but cigarettes in the UK carry large signs saying things like "You will die early if you smoke these cigarettes". It might be useful to require at least a passing familiarity with the dangers to anyone (not just the kids :-) using these sites.

    By the way, I realise that 99% of the forums our there are perfectly benign. I'm happy with that. It's the others I'm a little concerned over. That passing familiarity might in fact help those who stop their children from using a computer because "it's dangerous". It's not. But you don't walk down a street late at night dressed in not very much if you're a woman. The internet can be a very dark street, and not just for women.

    Simon.

    --
    Physicists get Hadrons!
    1. Re:Social cost of not having social appraisal by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      Hasn't some fairly high-profile company (MS ?) recently dumped online forums as too risky to have on their books ? In an ever-more-litigious society you have to wonder how it'll pan out if it turns out 'drugrunners-R-us' have been using you as a common carrier. Are you really a common carrier ? Really ? Sure ?

      I thought a company was not liable for unmoderated forums. Can someone clarify this.

      In any case, there is always the official reason of why a company does something, and there is always an unofficial reason as well. May be, that department was just not that profitable anymore, you know good forum software is now almost dirt cheap these days (not to mention, a lot of it is also free and open source as well).

  28. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by griffjon · · Score: 1

    No but seriously, is this DOT COM ERA part 2?

    Shhhh! Let them get their VC. Don't be jealous!

    --
    Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
  29. I have a suggestion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blockade cemeteries. Let's see just how committed to this premise you really are.

    1. Re:I have a suggestion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pls give due credit to Bill Hicks on this one kthxbye

  30. Patent is bogus by cameldrv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really don't think Friendster is going to have a problem, as it is virtually the same product as Sixdegrees was in 1997, except Sixdegrees didn't have the dating angle.

    1. Re:Patent is bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the patent you will see
      that is issue to sixdegrees.

  31. The successor of ICQ by chompyZ · · Score: 1

    It seems these guys built a hell of software and it works agazing. Looks like after several years of having nothing interesting as a successor to ICQ, Napster at all... these guys come. GOOD LUCK and bring a version to Linux! :)

  32. Unnecessarily complex by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    A social network is nothing more than a group of people. Well, at least that's what it sounds like HERE.

    Prove me wrong.

  33. One day they will patent walking... by jp31415926 · · Score: 0, Redundant
    ...and we'll all be screwed!

    Seriously, something has got to be done about patenting of simple things like this. Why does everyone have to hored all their cool ideas! Is it that important to make a few more bucks by keeping everyone else from using your cool little idea?

    WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG! :-)

  34. Relations between tables in an RDBM by yintercept · · Score: 0

    This patent deserves its spot in the top of the list of patent abusers. Essentially this is a patent for defining a relation between tables in a relational database...uh, isn't that the way a relational database works? This is not a patent for the table design, but for the idea of having a relation between tables.

    I suspect that there is a great deal of prior art of databases with defined relations between people.

    Come to think of it, all I have to do is whip out my handy black book with the names the hot babes I knew in school. ahhhg, come to think of it, this patent implies that I would have to be included in the black books of the hot babes to be considered a friend...

    damn.

  35. How Can The Network Evolve: +1, Patriotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll


    With despots installed as "President" and "President-Vice"?

    Patriotically yours,
    Kilgore Trout

  36. Something else by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1, Insightful
    What bothers me is that all this technology is slowly forcing us to stay inside, away from human contact.

    Whatever happened to taking the dog for a walk and talking to woman? Do men and women of today feel the only way to talk is hiding in some online forum? Are we slowly turning into a milky white skin-toned people?

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    1. Re:Something else by protoshoggoth · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Whatdaya mean, "slowly"?

    2. Re:Something else by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1

      Slowly as in it'll take a few years. Imagine millions of Americans sitting at home eating Cheetos, surfing the web and never leaving their home/apartment. That's what I mean by milky-white skin. No sunlight!

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  37. I have another suggestion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Shove it up your ass.

  38. No thanks. by tomzyk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. I've never heard of a piece of software that does this sort of thing, and wonder why it would ever exist in the first place (other than just for the novelty of it).

    2. Even if it is just for fun, why are they charging you to search through it?
    All features of the Huminity software are completely free apart from the "Search Path" using free-text, which is provided at an economical yearly subscription price of $28.

    3. If they can't even create a website that can be viewed in anything other than the latest M$ browser [ditto for their DEMO], I don't think I'd trust their software running on my computer anways.
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    1. Re:No thanks. by dspisak · · Score: 1

      They ask for the $28 because doing a search like that requires serious CPU time as their interdependant network of connections grows. This is something that probably doesn't scale linearly and goes instead as a n log n function of some sort.

      I could be wrong however.

      As for #1, its because no one has done this before really. Sure some websites have tried to pull this off but it really has to be an app on the users system to help make the complexity of the queries and the complexities of the chat features work correctly otherwise your talking about all server-side stuff which means your going to have to create huge server farms as your base grows.

      #3 I hate IE as much as you do. Has it occured to you that they are just two guys working on this and now that they just got their angel investor money they can actually hire someone to redesign their site so this complaint goes away?

      Yeah, didn't think you did.

    2. Re:No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor nit - n log n isn't much worse than linear. But linear is pretty bad for a big enough dataset...

  39. A paradigm shift in human communication by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Navigating 6 degrees of communication with Huminity's Technology of the Year represents a complete paradigm shift regarding the nature of the net and human social interaction. Exploding the boundaries of what we've know as 'community' thus far in human evolution..."

    Admit it, you miss Katz, just a little bit.

    :]

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    1. Re:A paradigm shift in human communication by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, in this post-9/11 world, he's fallen into his own hellmouth of crappy metaphors and hyperbole? Paradigm, paradigm, paradigm.

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    2. Re:A paradigm shift in human communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was pretty damn funny.

  40. Not decentralizalised, No legacy support by PengoNet · · Score: 1

    A real online "social network" would not run on a central server.

    A real online "social network" would also allow you to integrate friends lists from places like SlashDot, ICQ and even use lists of mobile phone numbers. And use them in a way that does not give anyone one person or company access to your social network's structure.

  41. Doesn't AOL have "prior art" on this? by jbottero · · Score: -1

    Yea, yeh, AOL sucks. But still, I think AOL has had this "technology" for, ummm... a few years?

  42. on windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when's the linux version being released?

  43. [Offtopic] si20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the privacy policy of SolidBlue really worth the advantages provided ?
    It basically says : We won't read your email unless you let us do it, but we reserve the right to change that policy as we see fit.
    I'd rather install spam assassin on my own system, thank you very much.

    1. Re:[Offtopic] si20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It requires the same trust you have for your ISP and their email servers.

      Anyway, if you are really paranoid about security you'd have figured out how to use GPG by now.

  44. Social Networking Software by webzombie · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    What the fuck is that...Pleeeeeease!

    Losers spend endless hours online pretending to be someone they're not and get to share their useless lives with others of their kind.

    Might keep suicides down but it is definitely NOT Social Networking Software!

    (:- !

  45. What did Spock find in the toilet? by jizzmaster0 · · Score: -1

    The Captain's Log!

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  46. Never! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Are we slowly turning into a milky white skin-toned people?

    No, I'll never turn into a Brit.
    It's olive skin for me!

    [ducks] ;)

    P.S.- parent is a troll- treat it accordingly.

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  47. Is anyone else worried.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that they may sneak MS DRM into this?

  48. Prior art? by Quixadhal · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm, replace the word "database" with the word "list". Don't the lists from various trading cartels over the centuries constitute prior art? I mean, if nothing else, the mafia should have a much strong claim for keeping databases of "friends" and their "friends".

    1. Re:Prior art? by jamiefaye · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Drug dealing has followed this protocol ever since the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914. The diference is that the database is decentralized and either committed to human memory or stored in an encrypted form.

      Basically, to form a new hookup you must be introduced to a dealer by someone whom the dealer already trusts. The edges of the networks are called "runners", and can be found on streetcorners and in dance clubs. Retail and wholesale distribution follows a similar pattern.

      When the protocol breaks down, particularly due to personnel security issues, bullets fly. Otherwise it works pretty well!

  49. How sad can you get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're actually wasting your time with this lame "joke" that I first remember hearing in the 70s? Good grief

  50. Download vs Web by zetes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The thing I like about Friendster is that there is no download and it is accessible from anywhere - doesn't matter what software you have, what browser you use, what OS you are using, or most importantly where you are when you want to check your friends list. If Huminity could have it all on the web (with Java chat clients like all the other chat services provide), they would get my vote. Until then, I will stick to the service for which I don't have to do anything to use but sign up.

    Z

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  51. This post is illogical. by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

    Because all your posts are illogical.

    By the way, I am eagerly awaiting an intelligent response to my reply in this thread.

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  52. Needs Critical Mass by 4ginandtonics · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of sixdegrees.

    The problem with these systems is that the only work if all your friends, and friend's friends are playing.

    This will be successful when some service such as Yahoo or MSN provide the functionality to their already huge memberships.

  53. Poor old LiveJournal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a link from the front page of Slashdot the day after they launch audio posting. Glad to see their servers are holding up fine anyway!

  54. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What do expect from a bunch of Jews? It WILL make money, it just won't be worth a fuck - kinda like movies, music and American politics. Fucking Jews fuck EVERYTHING up.

  55. is it in beta still? by Zane+Edwards · · Score: 1

    At least it is not in perpetual beta like some other networking idea....

  56. Hilarious ... by bigjocker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You post a goatse.cx link and get modded Insightful ... You should get a lottery ticket today ...

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    1. Re:Hilarious ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heheheh, that's nothing. Yesterday I did the same thing as AC and it got up to "2: Insightful". Bwarharhar!

  57. That could be even more relevant by imaginate · · Score: 1

    ...if this decision is upheld in higher court.

  58. won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds great, but I specifically DO NOT log in to 'chat' software because too many of those I'm closest too like to send me messages CONSTANTLY (especially during the workday). Can't get anything done with your wife, little sister, and mother IM'ing you constantly all day, now can you???

  59. YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a contributor of some of the code that runs this dump? This is a representative sample of Slashdot's finest? Holy shit, the guy looks like a fucking skull with fake hair glued to the side of his otherwise denuded cranium. And he's holding a teddy bear, for Christ's sake!

    No wonder you losers are utterly incapable of relating to normal human beings. Why don't you all pack up your stuff and move to the sewers with this guy as your King. It certainly can't cast you in any worse light.

  60. Obviously these guys don't spend much time online by 3rdParty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quote from their website: " We believe the Internet's greatness is the interaction it brings between people " Spend a few days browsing forums, and even post to a few, and you quickly realize there are a lot of people out there you have no need to get to know better. If you need the processing power of a gigahertz processor to make friends, you are in a world of trouble once you step away from your computer. Just MHO.

  61. YHBT. YHL. HAND. by ewhac · · Score: 5, Informative

    This very same story was posted to Kuro5hin's queue about a week ago -- right down to the ridiculous "social networking has evolved" meme -- and voted down as a blatant advertising plug. Below is a copy of my post to the topic while it was still in the voting queue; it's still appropriate today:

    From Huminity's site:

    Contacts are notified by a one-time e-mail notification about their inclusion in the Huminity network. We see it as our obligation to notify contacts of their inclusion in the network and allow them at their own will to be delisted. Though this item is sometimes considered wrongly as SPAM by users and contacts, we think that it would be inconceivable NOT to notify contacts about their inclusion, even by their friends.

    "It's inconceivable to us that people wouldn't want to know about our valuable service!" How very self-serving. Couple this with the fact that:

    • You have to download a custom application whose behavior and security implications are unknown, and,
    • You must provide contact data for five people before you're allowed to browse the network.
    And you begin to see why I'm seriously disinterested in trying it out.

    When evaluating services like this, I want to see who's already there. I want to do this without calling attention to myself or anyone else. If I like what I see, then I'll participate further -- fill out a profile, hook up to already-registered friends, tell other people about it, etc. Forcing me to offer up five contacts as tribute violates this principle.

    Friendster gets this part right: You can participate as much or as little as you want, and Friendster contacts your unregistered friends only when you explicitly direct it to. In this respect, Friendster operates as a service, whereas Huminity has the patina of yet another email harvesting operation, in the same light as those someone-has-a-crush-on-you sites.

    No sale, guys.

    Schwab

  62. New? by lifebouy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've known about (and used, once or twice) Huminity for well over a year. The basic idea rocks. However: 0. No chatroom. 1. Useless info on most people 2. Doesn't have the critical mass of users to truly be useful. Finding paths to groups of users can be a pain. 3. Windoze only, last I looked. That said, I'd love to see a OSS version of this. Perhaps built around GnuPG so that messages could be encrypted and your web of trust shows up as your "network." This kind of graphical display of webs of trust would go far in promoting better webs of trust. It would likely avoid patent issues, too, since if they do have a patent, it would cover using databases, not encryption keys. Also, Having users show up as interconnected stars in an 3D OpenGL starfield would be very cool, with very connected users being galaxy centers. All in all, though, Huminity could be very useful, if the userbase ever got big enough, and they managed to squash a few glaring flaws.

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    1. Re:New? by lifebouy · · Score: 1

      In fact, PGP stands out as a good example of prior art. it has databases, ala keyservers. Email verification of relationships is arguable, but only from the standpoint of was your keysigning accomplished via email. Obviously, this is so for some since people attach PGP signatures to their emails, and therefore prior art. The web of trust itself is the relationship part. So it's either prior art, or its not covered by the patent. So my idea works either way.

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  63. What we really need... by 3rdParty · · Score: 3, Funny

    is internet liquor, something that makes you and other people seem wittier and more atractive online than you or they are in real life. You could call it eGoggles, and make it like a forum, only allow people to select questions and responses from a list of quotes by really witty people, and avatars of really attractive people. Then you might have something.

    1. Re:What we really need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buymydrink.com is close!

  64. Competition with Huminity by ChozCunningham · · Score: 5, Informative
    For context here's a few thingies that offer that friend-network action: Friendster
    No download, runs anywhere. Kinda simplistic, users stop logging in.

    Tribe
    No download, runs anywhere. More nerdy, uemphasis on freedom of use, discussion groups. Supports lots of pictures.

    MySpace
    No download, runs anywhere. Supports restricted blogs, popularity contests, 10 pics. Does not emphasize actual RL friendship dynamics.

    Friend of a Friend
    Open standard for creting friendster-like network apps. Used by PeepAgg to build OSS system.

    There are more, and I'd love to see replies with links to this rapidly growing class of services/apps, with brief descriptions attached. Thanks

    1. Re:Competition with Huminity by Lejade · · Score: 1

      >There are more, and I'd love to see replies with links to this rapidly growing class of services/apps, with brief descriptions attached. Thanks

      Then you should check this list. Already quite big and growing fast...

  65. Re:Network of friends != useless by PhrackCreak · · Score: 1

    There are several social implications of public dispaly of friends that I do not want to get into which go far beyond saying 'your friend knows them.'

    Some of the useful things you can do with this kind of service:

    * You go to Alice's party, and meet Bob. You and Bob hit it off, but because both of you had a few beers you forget to exchange contact information. Alice's friends page to the rescue - you can message Bob.

    * You love circus peanuts and want to find other people willing to loudly declare their same love. You form a loose affiliation of circus peanut lovers, and eventually form Circus Peanut Con 2005 for you to all get together and wallow in your shared yet usually reviled love.

    * You can frequently find high school buddies and ex-sweethearts and say 'hi' in a casual way and not come off like a stalker.

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  66. Money, money, money. by namtog · · Score: 1

    So I read "the team has now raised millions for their company." Yeah right, that's why they are living in t-shirt hell.

  67. Re:Obviously these guys don't spend much time onli by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 1

    Actually the internet has isolated most people who spend lots of time surfing/chatting/pronning. The might be connected to people over a network, but many seldom leave their terminals for long enough to have real interactions in person.

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  68. Six Degrees by stephanruby · · Score: 1
    Six Degrees had a good thing going for a while, but they messed it up by rewarding people to lie about the number of contacts they had.

    Initially I had recruited a number of colleagues, former bosses, and former professors to that network, but I really felt embarassed of having done so after SixDegrees started giving away CD players and prizes for expanding ones network. Eventually, many people started listing thousands of worthless contacts in their profiles and the network became completely useless as a professional networking tool.

  69. Re:Network of friends != useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You bring up a great point, in a way...

    This concept probably serves the needs of a stalker more than anyone else's.

  70. Remember! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot's friend-of-friend-and-his-mare isn't affected either!

  71. Stupid by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    Gee, if I don't already have 5 contacts I can't register and be part of the network? Great. Thanks. That will help me find friends. Jerks.

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    1. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its like P2P.. need to share in order to get in LOL

  72. How can you rank patents? by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    That's like ranking slave owners to me. It's all evil.

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    1. Re:How can you rank patents? by yintercept · · Score: 1

      Why not abolish all property? Saying that I shouldn't have rights to the works I create while I have ownership of my car, my computer, my house, my clothes, my skin and my brain seems like a bunch of petty mindless ranking?

      Of course, when none of us are allowed to own anything including ourselves then we are all wards of the states. That is we are all slaves. When you are prevented from owning anything, you become a defacto slave. But the ultimate conclusion of the dialectics is that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom. Nothing new here.

  73. Re:StumbleUpon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't heard anyone here yet mention StumbleUpon. It is an evolving social network which is web-based, works with linux, firebird etc, and seems far more useful than huminity. Its not for chatting mind you, but for discovering great websites. I think of it as a cross between friendster and google. Do any other slashdotters here use StumbleUpon?

  74. Gee, you should have told me! (blush) by pdxChris · · Score: 1

    those someone-has-a-crush-on-you sites I haven't found those yet. Please tell me how to discover who has a crush on me!

  75. Re:YHBT. YHL. HAND. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    "yet another email harvesting operation, in the same light as those someone-has-a-crush-on-you sites."

    I always hated those things so much when I found out how they harvested email addresses. You don't really get a chance to opt-in because your friends do it for you....how nice of them. And you can't really opt-out because by then they've already sold your email address to someone else.

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  76. OT - your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great film, saw it on the BBC, everyone should see it, an excellent on the ground record of what happened, the best bit is watching the reality against what Colin Powell was saying about the situation, and they say he's a dove, but from the film he is clearly a hawk in doves clothing, anyone who reads this, just go and see the film it's on at festivals all over the place, trust me it's an education, a much better disection of blantant propaganda than Manufacturing Consent.

    1. Re:OT - your sig by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      Great movie, but they omitted what triggered the Coup d'Etat in the first place. On April 8th 2002, Saddam Hussein started his oil embargo and Chavez halted the production of oil in Venezuela as well. On April 9th, Chavez was warned about the US-sponsored coup by his OPEC general secretary. On April 11th, Chavez posted an extra contingent of guards in the basement of the Palace. The movie doesn't mention that part. It kinds of romanticize the all thing.

      http://www.forbes.com/2002/04/08/0408oil.html

      http://www.forbes.com/2002/04/12/0412topnews.html

      And yes, you're right about Powell. Colin Powell is the reason why we had troups in Saudi Arabia. The evidence that Saddam wanted to attack Saudi Arabia was falsified. The only reason why we're in Saudi Arabia is because the next heir in line to take the leadership of the House of Saud is anti-american and pro-OPEC.

  77. Social networking, eh? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    Wow ... imagine, using computers to connect people to each other!

    I wonder if, at any time in the last 25 years, they've seen a BBS.

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  78. Call me anti-social but... by CoachS · · Score: 1

    I don't know if I want to be this available. Do I really want a friend of my cousin's friend to IM me in the middle of some project to ask if I like Justin Timberlake too? There's a reason I have Windows messenger configured to ask me before somebody is allowed to add me to their buddy list and contact me.

    I suspect that this is going to end up dominated by 16-year old girls and the 23-year old guys who used to hang out at the Dairy Queen hoping to meet them.

    Oh, and the 54-year old men who like to pretend to be 16-year old girls on the Internet.

    And FBI agents.

    -Coach- (the cyber-cynic)

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  79. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    yeah, that's about all, and I'll continue to say it until somebody figures out that my solution works, and it's worth it. I was against blacklists, and I'm against spamassasin. Why? because both have a inherent problem of blocking email that is perfectly fine, and do nothing to give a response to the spammer crowd. The spammer who sends 500 emails, and gets 100 blocked by spam assasin, doesn't know they got blocked, and stored in a junk folder, they still transversed the network.

    Dns lookups of the hosts is the only way to solve the problem. That way spammers have to pay for domain registrations to get around it, need to have a dns server, and they'll have to keep registering domains (which have I.D. information) when their old ones get blocked (by TLD).

    I'm sorry, I guess my comment was offtopic, but I'm just generally offended by the anti-spam people who are making things worse, or in your case, just not helping.

    There's one service that actually helps users though, spamgourmet.com rookies won't understand it, but it's a lot less trouble, and more safe than using Spam Assasin. And you don't need your own mail server. (btw... I'm not affiliated blah..)

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  80. HA! You brought it up - friend of friend code. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    I've often wished I could add a small note (ala ebay feedback or slashdot url) of why I made someone a friend or foe.

    This friend/foe system would be far more usable if there were some way of knowing why I made someone a pal two years ago, and if they continue to deserve that 'honor'.

    In addition, it would probably benefit those who are foed to know what the reason was. Like "teamhasnoi - foed for making fun of republicans". I would then see that republicans still have no sense of humor, and act accordingly.

    While we're on the subject (and ontopic, thanks Jamie), I've noticed that all of my freaks never post. I think the most posting a freak has done is 650 some comments. All the rest hover around one hundred or less, and most haven't filled a page of 24.

    And not to swing completly off-topic, but why is a funny mod not worth karma? It would seem to me that to be *truly* funny, your post has to be interesting, insightful, sometimes informative, flamebait, and trolling at the same time. That sounds smart to me, not 'smart-ass'.

    What do I know though, I subscribed.

  81. The solution to Friendster's database problems by phutureboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    (I can't take credit for this. My brother wrote it)

    I think I've come up with a system which will
    solve Friendster's database problems:

    First you get 2500 chimpanzees, and arrange them
    in a 50x50 grid. Each monkey is sitting in front
    of a chute which dispenses ripe bananas. Whenever
    the Friendster server needs to retrieve a piece
    of data, bananas will be dispensed across the
    grid in a pattern that represents the parameters
    of that database query. Monkeys who do not get
    bananas will begin flinging feces at the monkeys
    who do get them, and an array of overhead
    cameras, connected to an advanced video analysis
    system, will extrapolate the vectors and
    distribution of said feces.

    In another room, these vectors are fed directly
    into the cerebral cortex of a stoned teenager in
    a Slipknot T-shirt, who is playing Excitebike.
    His NES, which has been augmented with
    sophisticated artificial intelligence algorithms
    and has achieved consciousness, uses the input
    from the game controller to infer the appropriate
    response to the database query, and
    telepathically transmits this information to Miss
    Cleo.

    At this point the user will be prompted to call
    Miss Cleo, who will tell them the answer in
    highly inauthentic Jamaican patois. This will
    cost $2.99 per minute, but there will be several
    Kingston rude bwoys standing by Miss Cleo who
    will roll 3d6 every time someone calls. If the
    result is less than Miss Cleo's saving throw, the
    rude bwoys will gang-rape her at knifepoint.

    I think this will be a much more efficient system
    than whatever the fuck they're doing now.

    1. Re:The solution to Friendster's database problems by jefu · · Score: 1
      Quick....
      Patent It!

      File Patent ...
      Build Board
      Buy Monkeys
      Arrange For Shipments of Bananas
      Sell services to Friendster
      Profit!

      (Ok, so it was obvious.)

  82. Here's an idea... by SuperPhly · · Score: 0

    In 5-10 years, we each have a static ip with IPv6 and a machine that can stay online 24/7, as well as way more bandwidth and a much more reliable network.

    Each person owns his/her IP address. It's like a phone number or a SS#. This wouldn't be a security breach either... so don't get spoofed about that...

    Now, this huge ass p2p network gets going witch at this point isn't used for porn and mp3's and old seinfeld episodes. It's used to relay email, contacts, movies, and even your telephone calls. this should be all built in to the lower levels of the operating system and not a "download this software to get it working". Just like TCP/IP is standard now.

    I had a really good idea for this, but I think i forgot it once i got to the bottom... ehh oh well...may as well submit ;)

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  83. Pricacy? Click here! by llauren · · Score: 1

    Ungh. Anything with "Click here! It's FREE!" (in blatant colours) and wants to chart my social network makes me very suspicious...

    No matter how ingenious and useful the technology is, it won't get my -- and probably quite a few other users' -- trust before it is presented in a more credible manner. And before it gets the trust of a considerable user base, the system isn't considerably useful, now is it? (ok, so i know the system already has a considerable user base, but so does Kazaa, and look what happened to them).

    ~llauren

  84. Re:Pricacy? Dyslexia? by llauren · · Score: 1

    OK. As long as an article is presented with a typo, it's not very credible either, now is it...

    ~llauren

  85. Semantic Web FOAF by KjetilK · · Score: 1

    I have gone on to create a basic FOAF-file. That's Semantic Web vaporware project. Well, it's not vaporware, since it works, and it is pretty cool. There's even SlashFoaf, so create your FOAF RDF today!

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  86. friendster CEO is a also in Huminity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jonathan Abrams from friendster and Ried Hoffman form Linkedin are there too :). I guess friendster and linkedin are checking out the new thing... wondering where they stand or maybe still looking for a date ;)

  87. Whoops by cameldrv · · Score: 1

    Didn't notice that. I think Friendster has a problem then. As I mentioned before, it's basically the same service.

  88. Gee, it will be bigger than theglobe.com!! by Pathetic+Coward · · Score: 1

    1999 dotcom, four years too late.

  89. Well, there's the reverse of the coin by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    Would your friends' friends actually want to be pestered by a total stranger? Worse yet, by someone who (no offense) is too socially inept to make his own friends to start with?

    E.g., let's start thinking from a real life example.

    One guy who'd probably be on my list of "friends", by sheer virtue that he's family, is actually the worst kind of _extrovert_. He can talk for hours on end, but he talks only about his CS games or about what he's done at work in his EJB project. I find him actually _more_ boring than watching paint dry. At least paint shuts the fsck up. I wish he did too.

    Do I want him introduced to my other friends? Not if I can help it.

    Now let's go further down the chain of "friend of a friend". Half his friends are his clan members. As far as I can tell, to be in that clan, you have to meet two conditions: (1) shoot well, and (2) act like a total retard when in an actual game. Being able to type a good dose of trolling and sexual harrassment while camping on a rooftop seems to be _the_ way to achieving status and recognition in that clan. (Same as in about 90% of the FPS clans, I guess.)

    Do I want some social network to start pointing those guys to start pestering me? Worse yet, do I want them to end up pestering my other friends, on account of "but he's a friend of a friend of Moraelin"? Bet your donkey I don't want that.

    And if we go further down the chain, we're talking perfect strangers. (In a way, worse than total strangers, considering the credentials of two links down that chain.) Exactly why would I want to pay some "social network" to point them at me? Seems to me like I could just drop into an IRC channel and meet more perfect strangers for free. And at least those on IRC won't come recommended by total retards.

    Better yet, those on IRC will already come filtered by the channel's topic. E.g., if I'm in a strategy gaming channel, it's more or less safe to assume that we'll all share some interest in that kind of games. E.g., if I go into a channel for cat owners, it's safe to assume that we all share some interest in cats. Etc.

    That's already a gazillion times more meaningful as a filter than "he's a friend of a total stranger who's a friend of a total stranger who's a friend of someone you know." The IRC kind of filter means we'll likely have some common topic, the "friend of a friend" filter means exactly nothing.

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  90. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There's a system called I-KNOW that is essentially this. It is a project that began at UIUC in 1997, and is also a web-based social network tool that displays graphs, etc of who knows who, and can give the most well connected individuals in a social network, based on a number of factors (similar interests, friends, etc).

    Alas, I am probably too late to become modded up. Oh well.

  91. Coin of a different realm... by baileytal · · Score: 1

    Well, you're describing a different network of friends than I have. Even so, I can imagine you're probably right in that situation. There should be some sort of "flag" that people can attach to their friends, that the attachee can't see (like "I barely know this guy").

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    1. Re:Coin of a different realm... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Well, even if you had flags, it still won't mean anything. In a parallel universe, I could actually think that the guy is the coolest person ever born. (E.g., because of his CS scores.) Or for whatever reason. Even the biggest lamers and grief players on MUDs and MMORPGs, actually have whole fan clubs of wannabe lammers and griefers, who think "wow, I wanna be just like Tricky when I grow up." (The name Tricky being just a random name pulled out of the hat basically. With apologies to anyone who had a char named like that.)

      The whole "friend of a friend" is ultimately meaningless. You don't know _why_ someone likes that guy, nor whether your personalities match at all, nor whether you'd even have any common interests with any of those people. It's basically just a bunch of random strangers, no better than if you picked random names out of a hat.

      Sure, it probably sounds great for an introvert to think "wow, I'm piggybacking on my pals' popularity, and I have a network of 400,000 friends of a friend of a friend". Only in practice, 99% of those couldn't care less if you died tomorrow. Most of them don't even know you exist. That's not friends, it's just a collection of strangers.

      I.e., the whole thing is basically a scam. I could just as well tell you that you now have a 400,000 ton asteroid near Alpha Centauri, except you can't go there. It would do you just as much good.

      Selecting people based on common interests and stuff might help more if you really want friends.

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  92. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  93. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, apparently you missed the whole point.. shouldn't have tried on a idiot.

  94. Re:More interesting than Trendster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awww common, keep trying... People are rooting for you to win!

  95. Possible business uses by RebRachman · · Score: 1

    While it is hard to imagine why someone would want to be exposed in this kind of public network, I can imagine its uses as a business or social tool in a closed network. In The Sims Online, which is a closed network, a similar tool is quite useful, but that's only a pretend world.

    In the real world, I could imagine its use for something like ediets.com, as a closed network. Although the people are real, they are using handles and their personal info is protected. At the same time, they are quite involved in making friends within the network for emotional support. Similarly, I am sure there are business based on suppliers, etc, who could use such a thing for their intranet.

    In this context it could be quite useful. However, I agree completely that it must be a non-download-based service, working directly from your browser.

    I don't think it matters that it works only with IE for most uses. I use Mozilla, but let's face it -- for some sites I need IE so I have that on my computer too. It would be too inconvenient for most of our lives to stand on principle and never view sites that are IE biased.

  96. Beware! by brundlefly · · Score: 1

    These bastards emailed everyone in my contacts to spam them about joining their service. They neither asked me nor told me.

    Not just uncool, but lame and unprofessional, and in some cases this was more than a little embarassing.