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OSDL Answers SCO With Kernel Awareness Campaign

prostoalex writes "Open Source Development Labs announced a new initiative to increase customer confidence in using Linux in business. The initiative is launched in answer to legal claims by SCO Group. So far managers and developers around the world are supposed to boost their confidence in Linux with the help of this little poster, which explains the kernel development process."

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  1. SCO can make LEGITIMATE money! by pridefinger · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if they went on tour? 32 cities in 25 days...

    Make sure all the big guns are there...Darl, et al...

    And have a dunking machine...:)

    I'd pay money for that!!!

    -Pride

  2. kernel smernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now why would kernel development impress decision makers? They think in terms of support, reliability, standardisation, following market trends, etc. Geek terminology only alienates managers.

  3. In wonder by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many of you linux boy and girls hav a new desktop image now? ]:3}>

    1. Re:In wonder by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't know linux girl even exist!

    2. Re:In wonder by Urkki · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh. The picture does not have neither sexy-looking girls, nor "pretty" abstract computer graphics art, nor anything scifi/fantasy related. What kind of geek would want it as a wallpaper?

    3. Re:In wonder by Laplace · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a Linux girl. Apparently she runs Linux on an iBook.

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  4. Business model of OSDL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Make poster with pictures of penguin
    2. Randomly connect the lines
    3. Draw stick figures.
    4. ???
    5. Profit!

    1. Re:Business model of OSDL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new penguin-shaped overlords.

      (see the poster)

    2. Re:Business model of OSDL by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You jest, but if you want to convince managers, I have one word for you: Powerpoint!

      Managers understand 2 things. Short lists of bullet points, and diagrams. Anything over 2 pages is too much info for them.

      And no, they're not too dumb to absorb any more information than that, they simply don't have the time.

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  5. Mirror by rf0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mirror here

    Its very managment speak with a few differenet coloured tux's

    Rus

    1. Re:Mirror by EverDense · · Score: 4, Funny

      IE6 scaled the picture so that the words "ongoing peer review of code", looked like
      they read "ongoing poor review of code". ;-)

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  6. Re:Education is great and all... by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but do we really expect management, who has no idea about technology and IP rights to be swayed by a pretty poster vs. massive lawsuits that they hear about on the morning news?

    This is the exact thought going through a management type's head:

    Lawsuit...bad.

    Poster...pretty! Sign me up!

    Now, if we wanted to really influence them, we'd put flashy things on it.

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  7. Missing arrow by arendjr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm just missing a big red arrow with the text "You are here."...

  8. Exploding kernel by mezron · · Score: 3, Funny

    The only thing that stands out to me in the picture is the red penguin sitting next to... what? a little volcano? Is that supposed to signify that the development kernel can blow up at any time or something? *confused*

    1. Re:Exploding kernel by The+One+KEA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not a volcano, it's an Erlenmeyer flask. It's a metaphor for the churning, volatile, active state of the development kernels. That's why it's red, too - red means "Use at your own risk! If it breaks you can keep both pieces."

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  9. Re:fark? by helzerr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Woah, someone who hasn't heard of Fark?!? It's not news... It's FARK!

  10. Linus?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which penguin is Linus???

  11. Good freaking Lord! by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, the next time someone spouts off about "Joe Sixpack", "marketdroids" or "lusers", keep this helpful bit of highly technical documentation in mind:

    A diagram explaining how Linux code is written by humans, approved by two layers of penguins (one with a briefcase) and then passed on to human users.

    What is the target audience supposed to do, go to their legal division and say, "No, there's no problem with Linux! See this explanatory document? All code is approved by a penguin. And yes, the GIMP is a perfectly suitable professional replacement for Photoshop. Notice the beautiful use of the select and fill tools?"

    Am I the only one who thinks this diagram looks like an outtake from a Troy McClure film? "Mr. McClure, SCO says Linus stole their code!" "Not true, Timmy! As this diagram indicates, all code in Linux is approved by two levels of penguins!"

    1. Re:Good freaking Lord! by bfields · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What is the target audience supposed to do, go to their legal division and say, "No, there's no problem with Linux! See this explanatory document? All code is approved by a penguin...."

      Well I suppose the hypothetical target audience has a legal department that takes a sheaf of press releases backed up by no evidence whatsoever as adequate support for a claim of copyright infringement. So maybe it's understandable if the OSDL comes across as a little condescending....

    2. Re:Good freaking Lord! by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny
      In fact, that probably _is_ the logic, fighting stupid with stupid. I'm just wondering if it's maybe targeting a little too low -- press releases are one thing, but a cartoon penguin with a magnifying glass may be seen as insufficient legal advice.

      Still, Malcontent is right. You need to send this out as a 3 meg .ppt file (ideally with each round of penguins or humans sliding in from the side with a car crash noise) if you expect your technology to be taken seriously.

  12. Re:Education is great and all... by Telex4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but do we really expect management, who has no idea about technology and IP rights to be swayed by a pretty poster vs. massive lawsuits that they hear about on the morning news?

    But... but... look at the arrows! There's a flow between me, the market, a funny fat penguin and even some big magnifying glasses! Now I just need a seminar to learn what it all means!

  13. Son of Tsarkon Reports - What the ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does anyone else find this disturbing?
    OSDL (comprised of arguably some of the best minds in the industry) have a strategy whereby they release a jpeg image !?!

    1. Re:Son of Tsarkon Reports - What the ??? by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, it's still better than the SCO strategy, which is feed Darl McBride beans, point a microphone at his butt, and call it a press release.

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    2. Re:Son of Tsarkon Reports - What the ??? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Worse... given the fact that there are large swatches of flat-color, a JPEG is one of the worst formats that you can save an image like that in (even if you kick the quality way up).

      That image needed to be cropped and saved out as a GIF, PNG or TIFF (e.g. a compression format that is lossless). It would have resulted in sharper edges with no blotchiness.

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  14. Re:Education is great and all... by t0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Maybe the problem is that Management is more focused on something as petty and irrelevant as running their company/department. Lack of concern about IT issues used to bother me, but then I finally realized that IT is only a piece of the pie- it isnt the whole pie.

    My only peeve is when companies do stupid things like outsource. It's basically selling your company's soul, and it actually costs MORE than having your own department.

    Anyway, my point is that managers arent supposed to be 'clued in' to technology and IP rights. Thats why they hire IT staff and legal departments.

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  15. Why do I have this horrible feeling... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that someone with WAY too much time on their hands is going to take this and animate it to do something obscene in Flash or something?

  16. No QA step? by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the things from the poster that mystifies me is the lack of mention of testing. How does each new build of the kernel get validated for release? What types and levels of testing are done (e.g. integration, HW compatibility, etc.)? Can anyone explain?

  17. Article by Scholasticus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No comment about the poster - it speaks for itself - but the article on internetnews was really quite good. It looks like OSDL is making a concerted effort to explain the kernel development process in such a way to factually counter SCO's claims. Peer review isn't perfect, but it is a very powerful tool for oversight of a project such as software development. With the information from internetnews it should now be possible for people who were otherwise in doubt to see how unlikely it is that "one million lines" of SCO-owned code could make it into the Linux kernel.

  18. Re:I'm liking it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    May as well just put up a sign that has the word "CHICKS" inside of a circle with a slash through it... Same effect...

  19. it's simple by bhny · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think I've figured it out. The source code talks to the penguins and the little penguins hand the source code to the contributors and the fat penguins compile the source code and give it to the market place and somehow the market place gives the code back again

    whoever did that flow chart is insane

  20. misguided campaign? by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux end users need to understand that *they* can not be sued. Forget the ibm v scox case - that is a case between ibm and scox.

    The idea that scox can sue linux end users is completely absurd - even if ibm did break some contract, even if there is illegal code in linux.

    Companies and individuals that buy linux in good faith, have done nothing wrong. They have not violated any copyright - and certainly they have not violated any patent, trademark, or trade secret. Therefore, scox has absolutely no grounds to sue linux end users. I don't care if ibm broke one hundred contracts with scox. That is the message that the needs to get to the linux end users.

    1. Re:misguided campaign? by cgenman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not actually true. Patent violation in this (weird) country applies even if there was a good-faith effort to avoid such tussles. Most courts would look kindly upon a group that, upon discovery of the problem, removed all areas of offence. However, as a proven by microsoft's previous tussles in this area, ongoing usage once a patent violation is discovered requires payment. If SCO had any evidence, and Google was found to be in violation, a court may waive an initial damages clause but would require that they either pay up for a license or switch to a different OS.

      If mere Copyright violations are found, suits against end users would have no basis, but the result would be the same. Distribution of Linux would become illegal, therefore Google would still need to pay a gaggle of *bsd programmers for a port. I may be off in this regard, but I believe Google would retain the right to their current server farm... but without security patches, the system would be quickly hacked. Maybe.

      Either way, Linux end users need to understand that they cannot be sued *without proof.* So far, SCO has dodged every possible opportunity to provide proof, and likely will continue to do so. They have already been banned from this extortion racket in other countries, where they declined to show any evidence of their claims. Why would they behave any differently with any other company? A year into the IBM case and they are still stalling on procedure.

      It brings up a very interesting question. Which will die first... The case, or the company?

  21. Re:Sorry... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    At university I wrote a lot of comments that were very BS because we had a quota of comments/lines to meet. You probably would get bad grades for submitting Linux code, but Linux is about making a good OS - not about trying to get good grades.

    Yes, in places the Linux code is under commented. The code is, IMHO, structured in a way that in makes the meaning obvious in most cases and the code easy to read. This is far more important than comments. Comments do not make good code.

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  22. Not the idea by gurensan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea is to show that there is continuous public review of the code, and that there is no real way to add malicious or illegal code into the kernel unnoticed. It's no show managers that their systems are plenty legal with the SCO tax.

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  23. You can't spell SCOundrel without SCO by B0mbtruck · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't spell SCOundrel without SCO

    Come on, we all new it from the start !!!

  24. Re:Education is great and all... by Geno+Z+Heinlein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... IT is only a piece of the pie- it isnt the whole pie....

    Well, yeah, that's true, but management wants to pretend that management is the whole pie. Despite the fact that the tech people have a lot to contribute to the qualitative running of a business, tech people are treated like line workers (who also need to be treated better, but that's a whole other post) because of the two distinct worldviews of corporate culture and IT culture.

    IT culture is open and flexible, based on "what happens if we do this?" and "does it make sense?"; corporate culture is built around conformity, procedure, and (sometimes) personal prestige, which few geeks have any patience for.