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Phoenix Sounds Death Knell for BIOS

Anonymous Coward writes "The sky will fall next.... Betanews is carrying a story about Phoenix ditching the trusty old BIOS and moving to 'Trusted Computing'... ya right... Time to stock up on those old motherboards boys!" A follow-up/analysis on this story.

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  1. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by UltraSkuzzi · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's the problem, there won't really be any alternative, AMI has jumped on board too. Phoenix IS Award so there goes another competitior. The only ones left will be the big giant OEMs, like Compaq, and IBM who last I checked, still made their own BIOS.

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  2. OpenBIOS by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is also OpenBIOS, an open source 'BIOS' based on OpenFirmware. OpenFirmware is the solution used on Sun, IBM and Apple based machines. OpenFirmware uses a forth interpreter and also presents the hardware as a device tree.

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  3. CCS and EFI ... What a Kludge! by LuxuryYacht · · Score: 3, Informative

    CCS and EFI are both trying to be more like an OS rather than just a BIOS. If you really dig into either of them they are just quite a mess.

    Time for LinuxBIOS www.LinuxBIOS.org

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  4. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by Malicious · · Score: 4, Informative

    Corporate Headquarters
    Phoenix Technologies Ltd.
    915 Murphy Ranch Road
    Milpitas, CA 95035
    Toll Free 1.800.677.7305
    Main 1.408.570.1000
    Fax 1.408.570.1001

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  5. Re:Hmmm by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Informative

    IBM and AMI? That's hardly competition, as IBM won't license their BIOS (which is the whole reason Phoenix was started) and AMI is rare now. LinuxBios? Not close to complete! BTW, is the old 1981 IBM BIOS code in public domain yet?

  6. Sorry, but... by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    WTF, then, is this?

  7. Re:Anyone got a list? by Hoser+McMoose · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a list:

    IBM BIOS: IBM PCs and laptops
    AMI BIOS: umm.. I don't think anyone uses them anymore
    Pheonix BIOS: everyone else

    Since Pheonix bought out Award, they are basically the only player in the BIOS market.

  8. Re:they'll find out.. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    What I find interesting is that Taiwan's manufacturers have 80-odd percent of the motherboard market worldwide. And, since last I checked they haven't yet been annexed by the United States, I don't really see why they would give a rat's ass about "trusted computing" unless the marketplace demands it. If Phoenix, Award and AMI disappeared from the face of the Earth tomorrow, someone would come out with a compatible conventional BIOS in very short order. About the only thing I can see that would force them to produce DRM-based motherboards for the U.S. market would be some new laws making current designs illegal. That sounds farfetched, until you realize that Microsoft has a HUGE lobbying presence in Washington nowadays, and recently the Federal Government has been proving its willingness to meddle in technological affairs of which it understands nothing (witness the "broadcast flag" requirement for HDTV sets.) So my guess would be to start watching for a new "Consumer Data Protection Act" or something similar to show up in Congress, funded by Microsoft and its allies.

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  9. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then buy a mac. Macs don't use bios. They have Open Firmware and Apple is not associated with the TCPA.

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  10. Phoenix PR addy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    megan@Outcastpr.com

    Interestingly they outsource their PR.

    Above is the address of Megan Kurtz who is their public relations person. Get mailing now :)

  11. Re:Or, buy a Mac... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is blatantly false.
    Microsoft has NEVER said its next operating system would only run on Trusted Computing hardware, and I know for a fact that this is NOT the case.
    Longhorn will run on normal PCs like we have today.


    Lets take a look at the MICRSOFT WEBSITE:

    Q: What is the Next-Generation Secure Computing Base?
    A: The Next-Generation Secure Computing Base (NGSCB) is new security technology for the Microsoft(R) Windows(R) platform. It will be included as part of an upcoming version of the Microsoft Windows operating system, code-named "Longhorn." NGSCB employs a unique hardware and software design to enable new kinds of secure computing capabilities to provide enhanced data protection, privacy and system integrity.

    Q: What is the "trusted computing base (TCB)" component of NGSCB?
    A: The trusted computing base (TCB) includes the nexus and all the associated software and services required to enable the NGSCB environment.

    Q: What is the "TPM"? Is that the same as the SSC?
    A: The term "SSC" is generally interchangeable with "TPM" or trusted platform module. The TPM is a secure computing hardware module specified by the Trusted Computing Group


    Please try to check your facts next time. The future Microsoft operating system will ONLY run if your computer contains a "Trusted Platfom Module", better known as TCPA.

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