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Robotics + Car = Hallucigenia

News for nerds writes "I4U has news about a new transportation concept, called The Hallucigenia 01, which is a working 1/5 scale vehicle prototype, designed by Japanese design firm Leading Edge Design. PC Watch (Japanese) has photos and movies. Its 8 wheels are independent robotic arms controlled by their own satellite CPUs, interconnected to the main CPU by an internal LAN."

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  1. What ever happened to style? by Vokbain · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like a spider crossed with a skateboard. I wouldn't drive that.

    1. Re:What ever happened to style? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Funny

      Going by the name, it sounds like they're tarketing a group of people to whom 'most' things look like spiders crossed with other things.

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  2. What a name by OSUJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are they implying that the idea for the car came from a night spent tripping on acid.. or... ??

    1. Re:What a name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hallucigenia is a fossil. Very old, early Cambrian, I believe. And very weird, hence the name. Check the logo.

    2. Re:What a name by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 4, Informative

      Judging from the shape of the logo, I suspect this is a reference to Hallucigenia sparsa, a reasonably famous critter they dug out of the Burgess Shale, missassigned as part of genus Canadia and was later renamed and reassigned by Simon Conway Morris. More here. Article links to a possible reconstruction which seems to be down for me.

      Paleobiology. This is a nerdy conveyance if I ever saw one.

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  3. I don't get it by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it need to have multiple computers networked? Doesn't this add latency that could be very dangerous at high speed? Wouldn't one computer, rather than several, with the proper sensory and control hardware be a better choice? Will I only use question marks to end sentences in this post?

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Prof.+Pi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why does it need to have multiple computers networked? Redundancy in case of failure. You see, they'll be running Windows.

    2. Re:I don't get it by razberry636 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Wouldn't one computer, rather than several, with the proper sensory and control hardware be a better choice?
      The eight independent robots can separate at will. They join together and magically work in unison to form megaHallucigenia .

      It also has a really cool glowing sword and can shoot plastic missiles.

  4. Movies? On slashdot? by Steve+'Rim'+Jobs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soon we will hear the deep voice of Darth Vader saying "I find your lack of bandwidth disturbing..."

    Why did I think of that? I dunno, maybe it's because the car looks kinda like Darth's friggen head..

  5. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How can I give these guys money?! Someone tell me quick... nevermind, the drugs are losing their effect.

  6. Wow by nnnneedles · · Score: 2, Funny
    Its 8 wheels are independent robotic arms controlled by their own satellite CPUs, interconnected to the main CPU by an internal LAN." Got Bloat?

    Do the wheels play multiplayer Quake with each other in their spare time?

    Is the communication between the wheel and the brake done using XML protocols?

    Do the wheels send an email to your mobile phone when your refrigerator has run out of milk?

    Critical Joke Possiblities OVERLOAD

    Brain Terminated.

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  7. Yes. Great. More to go wrong. by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the central tenents of all good engineering is "As complex as is needed, and NO MORE." Any more you add after that point is just "more to go wrong".

    Eight wheels, eight suspension systems, eight control systems. True, perhaps the system is designed with failure in mind, but think about owning this as a vehicle for normal use - how often will you be taking in to be fixed, because one or more wheels have broken?

    It's just like the fools who buy 4 wheel drive SUVs when what they need is a minivan - now they have what amounts to a whole extra powertrain to go wrong.

    Now, if the intent was for this to be used in unusual circumstances (forestry work, extreme rough road work or the like) I could believe this was "as complex as needed but no more".

    1. Re:Yes. Great. More to go wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The question is, how many wheels does this thing need to drive? If it can drive on four wheels then this is safer than a car. If it needs all eight (or close to it) then it's less so.

      BTW, they make AWD minivans, too. And everyone needs AWD because it's more stable all the time, at least if you have limited slip diffs. (And viscous limited slips just about never wear out, before you object to THAT.)

      Oh sure, people can live without AWD... but plenty of people dead today would be alive if they had it. Those people who died because they were hotdogging would have done something even more ridiculous with AWD and thus could not be saved, but I'm not talking about them :P

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    2. Re:Yes. Great. More to go wrong. by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess you missed the picture of it climbing stairs, staying level on hills, and changing direction 90 degrees without changing yaw. That's why it has eight wheels.

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    3. Re:Yes. Great. More to go wrong. by Uma+Thurman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is the modern car with the modern computer controlled internal combustion engine you're talking about. If you've looked under the hood recently, you'd see that 4 extra wheels could only add a tiny smidge to the complexity that's already there.

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  8. Nothing New by cybercomm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GM also came up with the "skateboard" design, the only difference that i see is this one has more wheels, more gdgets, and better control; which may be good for suspension and stability, but it makes me wonder as to the economy of producing a full scale unit, due to cost, complexity, maintenance and later on replacement (as if replacing 4 tires wasnt expensive enough). Not to say that this vehicle doesent have a bright future, heck, im guessing this will make one helluva city car. They did borrow one good thing from GM though, for if this car gets mass produced the owners or factory, will be able to change "skins" (IE top part of the car) intermittently.

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    1. Re:Nothing New by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Informative
      GM also came up with the "skateboard" design,

      I bet it's not as cool as the BMW Streetcarver. I want one, but no doubt I'd just write it off with my dismal 'skillz'.

      Seriously, I would love some kind of powered skateboard, as they're very good for getting around tight parts of town ( and being able to pick them up is very convenient... ), but they're going to have to make them very easy riding ( perhaps with that suspension system from Snow Crash ) before it will ever take off with the masses.

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  9. What is hallucigenia ? by andy666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is a little animal found in the Burgess Shale of Canada. See the Stephen Jay Gould Book "Wonderful Life" for details. Here is a picture:

    http://www.karencarr.com/gallery_hallucigenia.html

  10. parallel parking by grey3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From looking at the pictures, it seems that the wheels can rotate perpendicular to the length of the vehicle. Should make parallel parking a breeze.

    1. Re:parallel parking by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Informative

      From looking at the pictures, it seems that the wheels can rotate perpendicular to the length of the vehicle. Should make parallel parking a breeze.

      From looking at the videos, it does.

      It also goes sideways, up and down a bit, and can walk (akwardly) on them 4 at a time.
      Does all sort of crazy cool stuff.

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  11. This think should be able to WALK! by gacp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know wheter this model can or not, and the wheels are toys in this model, but the think should be able to turn the wheels flat and use them as rubber feet and WALK over obstacles. I like the idea. Complicated gizmo, though.

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    1. Re:This think should be able to WALK! by bpb213 · · Score: 2, Informative

      But it DOES walk.

      you simply need to WTFV (watch the f'ing videos)

      http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/yajiuma/ 12 /furo236.mov

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  12. Mirror of Movies & Pictures by Ironix · · Score: 4, Informative


    In preparation for the sites inevitable /.ing, I have prepared a mirror of the pictures and movies.

    Mirrors:
    Pictures
    Movies

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  13. The Hallucigenia by zr-rifle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hallucigenia means "Dream Children" and is a name of a small worm belonging to the Burgess-Shale collection of fossils

    Researcher Simon Conway Morris had probably been working overnight a little too often, since he mistook the fossil for an eerie monster-like creature with a blob like head and spikes for legs, thus dubbing it "Hallucigenia". See the picture. Looks a little bit like Alien, doesn't it?

    It was only in 1991 that this strange little animal's anatomy was correctly interpreted as a worm, the Onychophore, with spikes on it's back and tentacles or, better, pseudopods for walking (and probably eating).

    I wonder if the pictures of this car are upside down...

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  14. ummm wow by britrock · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, it does a great job of navigating over the rough terrain of that flat smooth table top. Whats the point again?

  15. But I'm a Plus_size guy. by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was a long time since I was 1/5th scale!

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  16. Actually its easier by bpb213 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The ability to travel in one direction while independantly rotating in another (and it looks like this eight legged freak can do that to an extent) is called holonomic motion. Robotics people have been doing this for years with something called an omniwheel. Basically its a wheel that contains many other smaller wheels that roll perpendicular to the axis of the big wheel.
    We can do holonomic motion with as little as three wheels (popularlized by the palm robots from carnegie melon). Of course, four wheeled models have been made.
    And I really think that it is from the four omniwheel concept that will really revolutionize travel, not this eight legged, asking to break down, feat of engineering.

    (Of course, mandatory info links:
    The wheels found on the palm robot:
    http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R76 -4CM-ROL LER.html
    Cheaper, and larger, omniwheels:
    http://www.omniwheel.com/cgi-bin/plug ins/MivaEmpre sas/miva?plugins/MivaMerchants/merchant.mvc+Screen =PROD&Store_Code=KCWD&Product_Code=2052-38&Categor y_Code=Transwheel2
    The above are one of each, there are many more on both sites. Just start url hacking :) )

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  17. What I really like about Japan... by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... is that Japanese engineers are allowed to explore interesting and creative new technology designs, despite every armchair critic in the world immediately telling them how stupid/unsafe/infeasible/unnecessary their prototype is.


    That's why they'll eventually have their giant killer robots, while we're still optimizing the super-sized cup-holder layout for our pickup trucks.

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    1. Re:What I really like about Japan... by Inflatable+Hippo · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Actually, it's well established that Japanese
      > engineers largely use foreign designs as their
      > prototypes.

      It's great when things are "well established" isn't it? We can just accept them as a given and shift our critical reasoning down a gear or two.

      Here is a list of other things that have been well established about the Japanese:

      - They are short.
      - They wear little round glasses.
      - They have buck teeth.
      - They are all Ninjas.

      I'm British and I'd guess you're an American. Perhaps someone would like to contribute some "well established" facts about us? I'm sure we'd be glad to confirm them.

      Excuse me, must dash, my butler has just informed me that Mary Poppins has dropped in for afternoon tea...

    2. Re:What I really like about Japan... by JK+Master-Slave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please take your racist stereotypes elsewhere. I was talking about historical business practices, not racial characteristics.

  18. The new industrial revolution ii? by t0qer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The new industrial revolution part ii

    In my
    previous post on the new industrial revolution I discussed how the impact of
    robotics and cad design would result in more variety seen on the road.
    This post will focus on the technological impact these will have on car features
    and safety.


    1 wheel is good, 2 wheels are better, 4 are better still. When you
    start to go into 8 wheel designs you start to run into problems with friction
    (due to bad wheel alignment). This isn't noticeable on vehicles carrying
    large mass (such as semi trucks) because the momentum of the mass keeps the
    vehicle going in a straight line, but on small less than 2 ton vehicles one
    wheel out of alignment would be very noticeable. Although technology
    exists to re-align your tires on the fly exists, current auto makers have yet to
    implement that type of self repair into their vehicles. Instead they rely
    on good old physics and mechanical engineering to figure out how best to tune
    the suspension for maximum performance.


    With robotics and sensors implemented mechanical suspension systems will be
    obsolete. Cars like this one will make adjustments on the fly to suite current
    road conditions, instead of the specialized approach used by automakers today.
    If you want to go really fast, you buy a car with a big engine, low to the
    ground. If you expect to be driving on rough terrain you buy a 4wd vehicle
    with adequate ride clearance. Shouldn't transportation be able to adapt to
    it's environment?


    The main reason automakers take this specialized approach is so they can
    break the car market into different segments. Instead of creating a cheap, one
    size fits all vehicle we get many choices that are basically the same ideas all
    rehashed in one form or another so they can appeal to a wider audience. Jim bob
    likes his ford f150, soccer mom likes her GMC suburban, Gary geek loves his
    prius hybrid. For the most part though, all these cars still have the same
    wheels, drive train, suspension as the other does. How can one justify
    that as truly different?


    Because of our new industrial revolution and the rising computation power of
    electronics, we'll start seeing things like self driving cars as standard
    equipment. This will in turn drive down the prices of material logistics
    for manufacturing plants as they will no longer have to rely on teamsters unions
    to deliver materials or finished products to market. With robotic factories and
    robotic delivery bringing the labor cost down to near zero, hopefully we will
    see the prices of these new vehicles drop in line with that of the manufacturing
    costs. An added benefit to the consumer will be the inclusion of these new high
    tech features as standard option packages.


    Right now is a transition time to this new industrial revolution. I
    know in the long run my children will benefit from both the choice and low price
    of these internationally produced goods. As more of the world produces a
    product, their need for this product increases as well, whether it be cars, IT
    services, computers, or what not. Demand creates necessity, which turns into
    invention.


    We won't see much of the old technology on the road in 20 years. By then the
    57 Chevy will be 66 years old, old enough to collect social security if it still
    exists. I think the car of the future wont look anything like the car of
    the present because of all the variety that will exist.

  19. I'd like to see.. by trybywrench · · Score: 2, Funny

    the japanese take on the club sandwich. I bet it's smaller and more efficient.

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