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The Definitive Episode 3 Spoiler Synopsis

An anonymous reader submits "Want to know who gets killed in the first ten minutes of the movie? How come Yoda runs off to Dagobah? Who will Darth Vader kill? Will the Clonetroopers become Stormtroopers? Will Chewbacca or Grand Moff Tarkin have a role in Star Wars:Episode III, and if so what is it? AgonyEngine of the Phatooine Network dares to answers these questions with a definitive timeline synopsis and character analysis, carefully compiled from the many spoilers and spy reports from the insiders and interviews."

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  1. A year away by Aneurysm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparantly it is still over a year away, I bet a lot of these leaked rumours etc. will turn out to be quite wrong by the time the actual film comes around. Maybe a bit of Hollywood spin to get people talking?

  2. old news... by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This stuff has been readily available for a while -- also condensed at theforce.net.

    Being a former spoiler hound for episodes 1 & 2, I found that they sounded much better on paper than they were on screen. This one doesn't really even sound appealing on paper, beyond The Duel, which either means it's going to rock, finally (unlikely) or that it will be so mindblowingly bad that The Phantom Menace will look like Citizen Kane in comparison.

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  3. Lava bath: known long ago, or not? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a fan, but not a fanboy, so I haven't kept up with Star Wars 'canon'. But for some reason, I've always remembered hearing that Darth Vader would become the Man in the Iron Lung in a battle with Obi-Wan in some sort of volcano-like setting.

    Was that alluded to in one of the SW novels, did Lucas say it back in the '80s, or am I psychic (as opposed to psychotic)?

    (BTW, easy decision whether to read the spoiler synopsis. I know the story outline will be far superior to the movie itself, so there's nothing lost.)

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    1. Re:Lava bath: known long ago, or not? by glenrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the Volcano comes from his original script ideas that included a much longer movie than what we saw in Star Wars, which is why Star Wars become episode 4.

  4. Re:Total length of movie.... by MurrayTodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, there was a really excellent theater skit called Star Wars in 30 minutes. (www.swin30.com) A friend of mine was involved in the group.

    Of course, Star Wars was one of the few movies that didn't try to do too much, so it had a more concise structure. Lucas has this annoying need to visit a dozen planets each movie. The desperate need to touch on a zillion small events makes it hard to create any good theatrical moods other than frantic.

    This spoiler shows the same problem emerging. It really sounds like two or three movies' worth of material. Maybe it will have to get split into two parts like Kill Bill

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  5. The character development I'm really hoping for by CodeWanker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow. Thanks for posting this here! There was one author (and I wish I could remember who it was) who proposed that the only way to fix George Lucas' total screw-up of the story was to have the real blockbuster in episode 3 as follows: Darth Vader and Yoda are actually conspiring together to hide Luke and Leia from the Emperor... Because they would give the Emperor too much power for a Jedi-free universe to withstand. It's a great idea because it's the only way (I mean the ONLY way) to make the whole Luke's growing up on his Dad's home planet! thing stop sucking.

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    1. Re:The character development I'm really hoping for by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like something David Brin said. I've been a fan of that theory for years, but I doubt it's going to happen.

      The one thing I could say about the Star Wars movies is that almost no one is who he or she seems to be at first. This doesn't seem to apply to the newer movies as much as the original trilogy, but I'd always assumed that one of the big plot twists in Episode 3 will be something of this nature (e.g., Yoda is evil, Obi-Wan becomes Darth Vader, Jar-Jar becomes the Emperor, etc).

      Oh well, we still gotta wait another year and a half.

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    2. Re:The character development I'm really hoping for by Nucleon500 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yoda didn't do anything in Episode 1. You mean Episode 2, right?

      Lama Su, Prime Minister of Kamino, tells us that Master Sifo-Dyas, a leading member of the Jedi Council, ordered the creation of the clone army almost ten years ago. Obi-Wan believes Sifo-Dyas was killed ("was killed," not "died") before that.

      I see two theories. In the first theory, Master Sifo-Dyas becomes corrupt, erases Kamino from the Archives, orders the clone army's creation, fakes his death, and re-emerges as Senator Palpatine of Naboo. In the second theory, Darth Sideous kills Sifo-Dyas and orders the clones in his name.

      I prefer the first theory. Because of their training, fallen Jedi, like Anakin, Count Dooku, and possibly Sifo-Dyas, make good Sith Lords. Yoda says that only a Jedi could have erased Kamino from the archives, and the first theory explains this nicely. The second theory doesn't, but it has the advantage of explaining Sifo-Dyas's death more easily.

      In any case, I think Sideous ordered the creation of the army. We know that Darth Tyranus, also known as Count Dooku, is Sideous's apprentice. Jango Fett says he was recruited by Darth Tyranus, while Lama Su says he was chosen by Sifo-Dyas. This is easily explained by assuming it was Sideous's idea.

      Yoda wasn't involved in any of this, and is not evil.

  6. Re:Total length of movie.... by freeweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lucas has this annoying need to visit a dozen planets each movie

    You know, a number of years back (think Sonic days) I noticed that every platform game under the sun started falling into the same pattern. Each level is a different climate. Water levels, snow levels, forest levels, desert levels, lava levels, etc etc etc. At the time I thought "hey, this is kinda like how a Star Wars movie is arranged. cool!".

    The more cynical side of me was looking forward to Anakin as Mario hopping around 12 different planets in the Episode 1 games. Then I realized, it's called STAR wars. Like, spaceships and such. It only makes sense that spaceships travel between planets (else, why are they there in the first place?).

    The more I look at it, Lucas' problem is that he jumps around too much in the new movies. The original trilogy was fairly linear, start at one planet, follow the characters to the next, etc. Episode 1 I almost lost track of where everyone was at any given point. Episode 2 I didn't even bother keeping track.

    Maybe it will have to get split into two parts like Kill Bill

    Episode 3 followed by Episode 3.5? The geeks would like that :)

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  7. Whoo boy, I'm gonna burn for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Actually, in the MOVIE, "Rosebud" was purportedly the name of the sled.

    But, "Charles Foster Kane" was a very thinly vieled model of William Randolf Hearst.

    "Rosebud" was rumored to be Hearst's pet name for his wife's vagina. Needless to say, Hearst was incensed that Orsen Wells made that the character's dying word.

    I won't even start to drag in the Rosicrucian links.

    Know you know... the rest of the story.

    1. Re:Whoo boy, I'm gonna burn for this! by willtsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not his wife ... his lover. Marion Davies.

      See "The Cat's Meow" for a good explanation of the whole Hearst thing. The actor, Edward Herrmann, is a dead on double for Hearst. Kirsten Dunst is also a VERY good likeness of Davies.

      Another film, RKO 281, explores the making of "Citizen Kane". It looks into detail about how Hearst tried to crush the film. This film really brings Orson Welles to life in great depth.

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  8. Biggest Question not answered by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why a Jedi Master as great as Yoda shows all the decision making skills and insight of a being with Jar Jar's brain throughout the films -- and then cowers away in hiding at the end. In eps 4-6 I always attributed it to his age....But he seems to be pretty much in his prime in eps 1-3...Yet still is a dunce in matters that really matter.

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    1. Re:Biggest Question not answered by bckrispi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Yoda's lack of insight in the prequels has already been pretty well summed up: The jedi are losing their ability to use the Force. No jedi is able to forsee the creation of the clone army. Even Yoda said "blind we must be!!" in regards to this. More telling is the fact that a sith master is hiding in plain sight, interacting with the jedi on a daily basis. What I think is interesting is this same lack of foresight is what leads to the downfall of the Emporer. He is able to plan each and every act of the alliance against him, but his foresight is perverted when it comes to Vader and Luke. He has seen that Luke's compassion for Vader will be Luke's undoing. When it turns out that it is in fact Vader's compassion for Luke that is the Emporer's undoing. This probabally feeds into the whole "balance of the force" thing we keep hearing about.

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  9. Re:You could have warned us! by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 3, Interesting
    No shit. First, he says the story (all nine episodes) is as recalled by the droids. Then he says the droid's memory is erased at the end of episode 3 (so that they "forget" that Annie is Vadar). Then he abandons the concept entirely and gives us key sequences in episode 2 that are witnessed by neither C3PO nor R2D2. Shesh! Lucas can't keep his story straight. You know what they say, once you start to lie you have to keep making new lies to cover up the fact that you're lying. Lucas has lied to the fans for years.

    The truth is that he's just in it for the money, and he'll do anything that he thinks will pull in the most profit. He only put Lando in to sell tickets to blacks. He all but removed Jar-Jar from episode 2 because focus groups told him the diehards were only seeing episode 1 five times instead of ten because they hated Jar-Jar so much. In other words, he'll change the story line to sell tickets.

    The whole DVD delay was just to sell as many video tapes as possible, then turn around and sell DVDs to all those who bought the tapes (nooo - it was for the art, man! Lucas won't release a DVD unless it's right. Uh-huh. Sure. Whatever). The whole digital special effects thing is just to avoid paying for real actors (but can you blame him? I mean, really -- imagine the payroll for a clone army of Hollywood extras). Geeze, if it was for the art then you wouldn't see the mattes on the episode 4-6 SFX shots. But Lucas found that Kubric's overkill on 2001 didn't sell tickets, so we get mattes you can spot with your eyes closed. Hell, for all the super-D-duper digital effects in 1 and 2, you can still spot the mattes.

    He's said he will not make episodes 7-9, but I'll bet he will -- once the computer stuff is good enough that he can do the last three without any actors at all.

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  10. ROTK vs. SWep3 spoilers by thellamaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else notice? Star Wars episode III is a year and a half away, and here we are getting significant spoilers. Sure, we know the storyline for LOTR, but specific spoilers about Jackson's film changes did not really appear until two months prior to ROTK release. Guess who keeps a tighter reign on his project?