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Emachines 64-bit Athlons Now On Sale
tomhudson writes "According to zdnet,
emachines, the company geeks like to make fun of, finally has a toy we'd all like to get for Xmas -- an Athlon64 on the cheap :-)"
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It seems odd to me that if you were the first company to release an lower-end 64 bit processor you'd be "quiet" about it. Does this hint at the possibility that they're not very proud of this system? If I were a company that produced the first lower-end computer flaunting a 64 bit processor, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs to get people to take notice.
Maybe it's just me...
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Microsoft, which released a beta version of the 64-bit Windows XP for Athlon 64 in September, has promised to ship the final version of the operating system in the first quarter of 2004. AMD has said several other companies are developing 64-bit games and other applications for its chip as well.
Of course Linux has been able to run on 64-bit platforms for quite some time now. If the Linux community _really_ wants to invade the desktop space, we need some killer games. Games have always been the reason why people spend way too much for a new PC. It's not what the public needs, it's what they want, and games help justify the expense.
This post may seem a bit off-topic, but I though the quote from the article which mentions Windows 64 and games in the same breath was worth pointing out.
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I see a Mac versus PC flame fest coming and I'm not sure why!
But I can get a 64-bit eMachine for a fraction of a new G5!
Can we all agree to disagree?
Who is the market for this? If you're one of the few people who has a genuine need for a 64 bit desktop, I can't imagine eMachines' entry is going to satisfy your requirements either. On the other hand, if your concern is that going to 64 bits is going to make your, err, bits twice as large, it seems to me that the bragging rights of a 64 bit Athlon and the shame of being an eMachines owner will cancel out.
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AMD designed the Athlon 64 to work with 32-bit and 64-bit software, in an effort to bridge the gap between the two applications. The move to 64 bits from 32 bits, which has already begun in servers, promises to boost the performance of PCs, partially by enabling them to use more RAM. But the software that will make the jump possible is still in the developmental stage.
So servers are starting to switch to 64bit machines now eh? I thought it was 2003 not 1993.
Later they say that WindowsXP 64 will be out "later next year" (tm). I don't see the big deal around the 64bit hype. I've been using 64bit machines for years and I only see a difference when dealing with large files (>2gig), which is partly or mostly a software issue or other very large stuff like addressing up to 4 gigs of RAM in one app. I've never had these problems doing "normal" PC computing like email, graphics, music, web surfing.
Anyway, it looks like 64bit computing is about to become standard. Yeah! Back to work.
The eMachines of today are NOTHING like the eMachines of 2+ years ago. Now they're fast, come with more bang-for-the-buck than comparably-priced Big Name models ($620 nets you an eM w/512MB RAM, 160GB HD, CD-RW and DVD-ROM. $620 from Dell gets you 256MB RAM, 80-120GB HD, and either a CD-RW or DVD-ROM.), and are a breeze to upgrade. They've made great strides in making their offerings compete with everyone else, and they're selling a ton of boxes. The local Costco can't get enough in to supply demand.
If you benchmark 1gig versus 512 there's not much difference unless you're doing video.
If you spring the extra ~$120, then you start the, well for such little more you can get this upgrade cycle, and soon you'll have a system at +$2000.
eMachines tries to stay budget minded. If you want a high end system I doubt you'll be looking in your local Bestbuy.
Is it just me, or is it odd that this isn't even on their official site?
i used to have (at work) two emachines. while the machines were stable, the stuff was really poor quality. the big hit comes when you want to do an upgrade: the prices are really hard....
What do you get with a $3000 G5?
I totally agree. I bought one for my wife at costco, the thing runs fine. It's loud, and I've heard the bitching about the power supplies being non-standard, but for a cheap machine that works right out of the box, you can't argue with them. It kept her off my development systems and created harmony in the house. Who wouldn't spend a couple of hundred bucks for that?
This is for people that want to be Buzz-word complient but have little real understanding of the technology behind it all.
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I'm not sure that everyone here understands that the Athlon 64 up until now has been mostly limited to lower-end professional workstations (by low-end, I'm talking $2500+; ).
This is probably the first affordable Athlon 64 PC. $1200 is VERY a very reasonable price to pay when the processor alone costs $475. Considering that, the high-performance RAM, the higher-end hard drive, and the relatively good Graphics card, most people would gladly shell out $1200.
Of course, I won't because of E-machines' horrible reputation for cheap power supplies and poor service.
Also, to those who say that there isn't a market for a 64-bit chip without a 64-bit desktop, I tell you to take a look at Apple's G5. Even on a legacy 32-bit OS, it whoops any other processor out there. The Athlon 64 does the same.
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No. it will fill up just as fast in 32-bit mode. In 64 bit mode the textsize will be approx. 10-15% bigger. the data size depends on how much pointers you use; not using many pointers and the data size will not increase.
Since when is
$1299 is cheap?
;) ).
Compared to Compaq's offering it is. But that's not saying much, I agree.
Until then I'll keep drooling over a G5 (which is only a few hundred dollars more, with TONS more stuff).
Configuring a 1.6GHz G5 to be roughly equivalent to the eMachines system gives a cost of $2070 (upgrade memory, HD, video). And, as best I can tell, offers nothing in excess of what eMachines does. You can talk about XP vs OS X, but if you prefer one or the other then the cost of the system is irrelevant since it's not something you can choose irrelevant of the hardware. The only substantial difference I can see hardware-wise is that the eMachines has two optical drives (one CD-RW, one DVD) while the G5 only has one. Two optical drives have their advantages.
Oh, and the G5 is going to be considerably slower than the Athlon64. The fastest G5 is roughly the same speed as the Athlon64's, but this is the slowest G5, not the fastest.
The G5 is still a sweet system, mind you, it's just not a "few hundred more" (at least, I don't count nearly $800 as that, but "few" is hardly a definitive number
[quote]it seems anybody in the market for such a pricey system would demand 1GB Ram[/quote]
A better question is why anyone needs a 64 bit processor with less than 4GB RAM.
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What about the yearly $130 upgrade?
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News flash -- HP beat EMachines to the Athlon64 market by nearly a month.
In fact, I bet MS insists on it. Let's say I make a system, and I saturation bomb TV with ads for my 64-bit system. Consumers ask, 'what can I run on it to take advantage of the capability?' I respond with 'Windows, eventually,' at which point consumers say 'OK, I'll buy it eventually, if I remember.' Right, that works. Otherwise, I can respond 'You can run linux on it! 64-bit happy!' and MS gets super-pissed and screws me next time my OEM contract is up.
So there's your problem. If I hype my chip, I have to hype Linux or something like that. Or I can wait for MS to catch up and hype it then, which makes more sense for my company.
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Somewhat... there's Microsoft's Movie Editor that's free (but not as good as iMovie I suspect). There's a plethora of calendar apps available, development tools, etc.
You really have to limit the comparison to hardware though. Software is simply not comparable between the two. There's a vast amount of software available for x86 that isn't available for Apple (particularly games and business apps) and some that's vica versa (mostly multimedia editing/publishing stuff, like Final Cut Pro).
And, of course, you'd be foolish to buy purely on hardware -- whether or not it runs the software you need is far more important. If both platforms run the software you need then you can decide on which hardware/environment you prefer.
After reading most the responses I noticed the only caveat that Emachines seemed to be facing was the issue of a power supply. Buy the cheap $1299 system, and pop in a $40 - $50 new power supply. Unless the case has some issues with fitting a new power supply in, this seems like the obvious preventive measure.. Or you could spent $$$ when you take it to a repair center.
I'll admit it, I always kind of liked e-machines. For a few hundred bucks you could get a decent mobo and some stock PCI's. I got two "eMonster 800"s for $200 per at CompUSA, added a little memory, and they run SuSE great.
The way I see it, eMachines are just as crappy as Dell desktops only you don't try to pretend they're good and charge you an arm and a leg like Dell does.
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Seriously.....
Linux needs the support of OEMs. Most consumers use what is shipped with their PC. With OEMs in binding contracts with Microsoft, Linux will be forced to wait until Microsoft decides to release their own distro.
The mainstream media does tend to figure that consumer = Microsoft Windows. I don't know about you, but I'd sure as hell consider Mandrake Linux to be a "consumer" operating system. It's clearly not targeting business users the way that SuSE and Red Hat are, nor is it really a hobbyist OS like Gentoo (not that Gentoo is strictly useful for a hobby, just that the target market is for people who like to tweak their system a lot rather than the "turn it on and go" crowd). I don't know what that leaves other than it being a consumer operating system.
As for OS X, it definitely isn't a 64-bit operating system. Even the new 10.3 "Panther" version is no more a 64-bit operating system than Win3.1 was a 32-bit operating system. There are a few 64-bit elements (and probably sufficient for most Mac users for the time being), but it's still almost exclusively a 32-bit operating system. WinXP 64-bit for AMD64 will be a full-fledged 64-bit operating system from the ground up. This, unfortunately, means that it needs new drivers, which might be a bit of a problem early on.
While the Athlon64 is a great chip I'd like to see a faster FSB, increase in clock speed and more chipsets available for this CPU.
I'd say give it 6 months to year before you updgrade. Unless of course you're just dying to have one. In that case, have fun.
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I... think you'll get significantly better results from a refurb than from an "open box."
You can write and execute 64-bit applications for MacOS X. It is true that not many have done so. (Adobe, are you listening?)
I'm not sure what part of MacOS X you're saying doesn't measure up to what is available in Windows today.
Surely, you must agree that comparing MacOS X today with Longhorn in '05 is not quite fair! Certainly, one could also claim that by the time Longhorn arrives, MacOS X could fit your definition of a "real" 64-bit OS?
Regardless of what some imaginary "real" Microsoft 64-bit OS might look like someday, I can use 8 GB of RAM today -- nya, nya, n' nya, nya!
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Sure you can write 64-bit applications for OS X, just like you could write 32-bit applications for Win3.1, but that hardly qualifies it as a 64-bit operating system!
All of the core operating system code is still 32-bit. OS X does NOT give you a flat 64-bit memory space, which is the most obvious sign that it's not a true 64-bit operating system. The kernel, the drivers and just about all of the core operating system is still a plain old 32-bit setup. They did include a few hacks to access more than 4GB of physical memory, but Intel proved that you can do that on a 32-bit processor years ago. The PPro and all follow-up x86 chips can support up to 64GB of physical memory. Like OS X, it does so through the use of ugly hacks.
Apple does also provide some 64-bit math libraries, which make use of the 64-bit integer registers. Nice, but not particularly important. It's fairly rare for most applications to need integers with more range than the 4 billion provided by 32-bit ints. However, when they are needed, being able to use native 64-bit integers is a big bonus. You can hack 64-bit integers together using two 32-bit integers, but that takes at least 3 times as long as with a proper 64-bit int.
As for Longhorn, I don't really know why you're bringing that up, it's years off and has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion. WinXP 64-bit edition is just that, the 64-bit version of WinXP, no connection to Longhorn at all except that it comes from the same company. It's available now for the Itanium and scheduled for Q3 of 2004 for AMD64. This will be a true 64-bit operating system, providing a flat 64-bit address space with no ugly hacks or tricks. The kernel will be compiled in 64-bit mode, the memory manager will deal out address space using 64-bit pointers, and if your application wants to allocate 20GB of memory, you'll get it (assuming you've got sufficient physical + virtual memory).
I don't know about you, but I'd sure as hell consider Mandrake Linux to be a "consumer" operating system.
I use Mandrake; in fact, it's my preferred Linux distro, and has been for a couple of years now. I do not consider it to be a "consumer" OS, though.
Why not? Because I can't be sure that any given piece of hardware will work with it. Because I can't go into a shop and buy software for it.
Yes, I know that that's true of all distros, and I'm aware of the reasons - but it doesn't matter. It won't and can't be a consumer OS until the average consumer can buy it without having to worry unduly about hard- and software support, like they can with the latest version of Windows and new hard- and software.
I'm not knocking Linux, I just truly do not consider *any* distro to be truly a "consumer" distro. They may be aimed at that, and be working very hard towards it, but there's a long way to go yet, imnho.
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