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Security Experts Doubt SCO's Claims of DoS

devilkin writes "As a recent Slashdot story indicates, SCO claims their website was the target of a DoS (Denial of Service) attack. Was it really? The people at Groklaw think otherwise..."

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  1. Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It wouldn't be an over-exaggeration to say that a bulk of SCO-related talks happen here on Slashdot. Even NY Times and other mainstream media frequently refer to Slashdot, when they need a quote from "open-source community", "Linux users" and other group that is mentioned in the article. Thus any DDOS attack organization wouldn't probably go unnoticed on this site.

    So here's a question - have you or any friends of yours taken part in SCO DDOS attack? If the overwhelming answer on Slashdot is no, then I guess we know the value of SCO's claims.

    1. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by lactose_incarnate · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I've been illegally attacking servers. Heh, who is going to answer that question?

    2. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      have you or any friends of yours taken part in SCO DDOS attack?

      Well I tried to view their website after this was mentioned on Slashdot. Does that count?

      Disclaimer : many of the others participating in the Slashdotting are not my friends

    3. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by pyros · · Score: 5, Funny

      have you or any friends of yours taken part in SCO DDOS attack? If the overwhelming answer on Slashdot is no, then I guess we know the value of SCO's claims.


      That's specious logic.


      A single machine on cable or DSL can SYN flood a machine. The attacker sends a stream of SYN packets with forged source addresses, the victim machine replies back to the bogus IP and waits.. and waits.. and waits.. It takes negligible bandwidth to do this.



      I'm intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    4. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by Boing · · Score: 5, Funny
      So here's a question - have you or any friends of yours taken part in SCO DDOS attack?

      Nice try, Darl.

    5. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      Nice try, Darl.

      My mother is a fish.

    6. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Funny
      Sure, it may seem simple to you, but if you were running a business you'd probably think it made sense to sell a product instead of spending millions of dollars on flimsy lawsuits against corporations with virtually limitless resources to throw at legal defense and countersuits.

      Anyway, my point was that it's not fair to assume they're lying just because a smart person could circumvent the attack. It's equally probable that they're stupid and telling the truth.

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    7. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by TobiasSodergren · · Score: 2, Funny

      SCO Distributed Disk-Operating System..

      Is this what I'll get if I pay the license fee?

    8. Re:Let's do a Slashdot insta-poll by MSZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      They will soon be!

      Just a little while more, until they get all these derived works like Linux, AIX or Solaris. You know, SMP derived from their rock-solid uniprocessor technology, journaling FS derived from their UFS or state-of-the-art TCP/IP stack derived from their BSD technology.

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  2. Soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO will sue Groklaw for illegal use of the term "DDoS", which of course SCO lays claim to.

    1. Re:Soon... by KilobyteKnight · · Score: 5, Funny

      SCO will sue Groklaw for illegal use of the term "DDoS", which of course SCO lays claim to.

      Clearly, the letters "D", "o", and "S" are part of SCO IP.

      "S" is the first letter in their company name. "D", being the letter after "C" is obviously a derivitave work of the second letter. "o" is simply an attempt to hide the misuse of the third letter "O".

      Unquestionably, SCO owns DDoS.

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    2. Re:Soon... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny ... I thought this was about SCO being owned by DDoS ...

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    3. Re:Soon... by mgg4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly, the letters "D", "o", and "S" are part of SCO IP.

      Actually, I thought the letters were "P", "o", and "S".

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    4. Re:Soon... by metlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the original poster missed the "In Soviet Russia reference"!

      In Soviet Russsia, SCO 0wnZ DDoS!

      Bwaahahahahaaah!

  3. I'm shocked... by BigDork1001 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Oh, I'm so shocked. SCO might have lied about something. Is nothing held sacred anymore? Oh what is this world coming to???

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  4. I dont know if SCO was DOS'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    But I sure know that groklaw is DOS'd.

    Connection refused.

  5. Remember, do not go to www.sco.com/216.250.128.12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That just causes more problems for their servers.

  6. DDOS..... by Vengie · · Score: 5, Funny
    Blake Stowell was quoted as saying, "From preliminary research, we appear to be under some form of 'Slashdot Effect' -- involving both duplicate stories and annoying links."
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    1. Re:DDOS..... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 3, Funny
      Blake Stowell was quoted as saying, "From preliminary research, we appear to be under some form of 'Slashdot Effect' -- involving both duplicate stories and annoying links."

      Slightly off topic but it's gotta be said, who else finds it appropriate that this mans initials are BS :-D.
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  7. slashdotted already. by RobertTaylor · · Score: 5, Funny

    "SCO claims their website was the target of a DoS (Denial of Service) attack. Was it really?"

    Groklaw certainly has just been ;)

    Cheers,
    rob.

  8. Missing poll option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Cowboy Neal doesn't run SCO you insensitive clod!

  9. Security experts? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Funny
    Security experts eh?

    Security Expert: "Oh, so um, you claim malicious linux users who you wanted to sue are DDoSing your servers Mr. McBride? Well, let me get out my laptop and check it out."

    *boots up linux distro of choice*

    "Nope, doesn't look like it was that at all, sorry!"

    *evil snicker*

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  10. SCO just doesn't quit by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny

    First they claim they own Linux, and now DOS! What's next, CP/M?

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    1. Re:SCO just doesn't quit by OpenSourced · · Score: 2, Funny

      In fact, under an old contract with IBM, they own exclusive rights to CICS/MVS.

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  11. SCO sues DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    whats next? SCO sues DDoS?

  12. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by musikit · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm being told that Linux has a very simple preventative built in. Linux comes with the ability to block ALL SYN attacks.

    all forms of LINUX too bad they are using UNIX

  13. What really happened by Virtex · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO's web site was only designed to handle one person at a time. Until recently, it worked well enough, but recently two people tried to access the web site simultaneoulsy. This, of course, brought down their server. And since the two people were located at different locations, it was distributed; hence, we have a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack.

    And now you know the real story.

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  14. Can't see the FTP server by Ridgelift · · Score: 2, Funny

    If their bandwidth is consumed, then any servers nearby will also be inaccessible. That is www.sco.com has the IP address of 216.250.128.12 and ftp.sco.com has the IP address of 216.250.128.13 so the two servers are side by side, probably even on the same physical network hub/switch.

    The ftp server seems inaccessible now. Maybe someone at SCO clued in "Joe! You forgot to unplug the FTP server! Quick, grab that cable..."

    Maybe Valerie from The Princess Bride sais it best: "Liar! Liar! Liiiiaaaaaar!"

  15. Re:Press release? by Blahbbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO probably submitted this story to Slashdot in order to DDoS GrokLaw's web site.... It's working, isn't it?

  16. Re:SYN attacks are not bandwidth hogs by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Funny

    who in their right mind merges the public internet server and internal intranet server ???

    who in their right mind sues IBM???

  17. Re:Groklaw, security expert? by milamber.net · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /public/private/groklaw/system/databases/mysql.cla ss.php on line 108
    Cannnot connect to DB server


    .. from most people's point of view its quite a short article with very few people referenced...

  18. I know how to DoS SCO.... by SpaceRook · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey guys, the trailer for the next Star Wars movie is RIGHT HERE!!!!.

  19. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Funny
    all forms of LINUX too bad they are using UNIX

    Heh. Coming up in 2006 release of openserver: SYN flood protection...

  20. Step 1 by gspeare · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure this is just an overture to...

    Step 2: "Hackers" infiltrate SCO and maliciously make off with all of the supporting evidence for their suits against IBM. Sorry judge!

  21. Here's how to test their claim by IshanCaspian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why don't we SYN flood their FTP server? If their claims are correct, it should go offline, right?

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  22. My theories: by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Funny

    -SCO sold all their servers to increase revenue.

    -They took everything down to install MS Windows Advanced Server 2004

    - The guy that took over for the sysadmin, after they fired him, tripped and spilled coffee all over the cisco rack. They're waiting for replacements, shipped Express.

    - Daryl opened an attachment

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    1. Re:My theories: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      -SCO sold their servers to buy crack

  23. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


    Coming up in 2006 release of openserver: SYN flood protection...

    What's that, a pair of SCO branded scissors to cut the CAT5?

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  24. Re:Poll already up. by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a poll here.

    It's missing the CowboyNeal option!

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  25. Re:Very strange is this; reported BEFORE it happen by ianc7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Later SCO will claim that this is the same server that held the only copy of their moutain of evidence and all of their source code too.

  26. SCO DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I use http://www.sco.com to test browsers cause its unlikley to be in the cache

  27. Dictionary lookup for SCO by MURD3R3R · · Score: 2, Funny
    SCO - Pronunciation es'si'o

    1. A revel involving unrestraining FUD.
    2. Uncontrollable or moderate FUD.
    3. A secret rite involving Microsoft executives, involving frenzied FUD producing sessions, and FUD producing activity.

    Word Usage- Lets SCO all night long. He is SCO right now, he needs help!

  28. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Funny

    It makes sense to me that they would claim it's a "SYN flood" simply because SYN has a similar sound to "sin" - it sounds evil! A "ping" flood sounds about as threatening to the average person as a pair of daffy duck children's socks.

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  29. It wasn't a DDOS by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was all their remaining technical people sending out floods of job applications.

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  30. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by Virtex · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Mr. BS: . . .

    Calling Blake Stowell "Mr. BS" just seems fitting somehow.

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  31. Next by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darl :- linux turned me into a nute
    Everyone looks at him,
    Darl :- Well , I got better

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  32. SCO's next press release: by LuxFX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Mr. Judge,

    I am sorry but we are unable to provide the source code examples you have requested. These examples were stored on our web server and were lost in a recent DDoS attack on these servers.

    By my reckoning, that means we win. Tell IBM to pay up.

    -D. McBride
    CEO, SCO Group

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  33. Groklaw; sco.com by blunte · · Score: 4, Funny
    Groklaw has seemed to do fine in the past against /., so the current problems surprise me.

    On a different note, perhaps we should all (all /. readers) visit the SCO site each day, maybe even multiple times a day, to make sure we don't miss out on some important information.

    And remember, you'll want to disable your cache to do this. Oh, and if you have a browser that allows you to set it to auto refresh, that would be a good idea too. It would really be a shame to miss an important press release just because you forgot to hit Refresh often enough...

    Unfortunately, SCO's unknown (linux) server is having some difficulty right now.

    What (obviously) amuses me is that this frequent refreshing of their news page would be justified, given their proclivity for using press releases to disseminate important information.

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  34. Perhaps by hackhound · · Score: 4, Funny

    They forgot to buy a liscense from themselves, and were forced to shut their server down to keep from getting sued by themselves?

  35. Re:Very strange is this; reported BEFORE it happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yes, unlike any others, it seems a SCO Ddos attack announces itself with a press release!

  36. Re:Full text: in case of slashdotting by drakaan · · Score: 2, Funny

    And makes me wish that someone's name was "Barl McBride"...

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  37. This is Caldera... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... so shouldn't it be a DR-DOS attack?

    Hello, is this mike on.. hello....

  38. sco.com - visit often! by Tool+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good idea, but just to make sure you get it all, you should mirror the contents. "wget -m" should do the trick, and when the site does get hosed, you'll already have a mirror to share with /. readers!

  39. Reality Series by lcde · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think /. should partake in a new reality series call "Just your average SCO". Where through a series of forums we can vote on what McBride does next. He will have to do whatever gets the most votes or is the coolest conspiracy.

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  40. Con job or cron job? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like both to me. Someone at SCO has a cron job running that starts a DDoS (SYN) attack against www.sco.com from their internal network, and sends out a press release at the same time.

    That way Darl doesn't even have to climb out of his lawyers' lap, where he spends the day happily napping and dreaming of Linus as his shoe shine boy.

  41. Re:Poll already up. by mccrew · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's missing the CowboyNeal option!

    That's an exclusive Slashdot value-add.

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  42. /public/private by anderiv · · Score: 2, Funny
    Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql2.ibiblio.org' (110) in /public/private/groklaw/system/databases/mysql.cla ss.php on line 108 Cannnot connect to DB server
    Anyone else see a contradiction in the path of groklaw's mysql db?
  43. Re:Press release? by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2, Funny
    Steve Ballmer seems almost impressive with his shouts of "Developers! Developers! Developers!". I like to think of Darl giving a rousing meeting, stomping around the stage yelling "Marketeers! Marketeers! Marketeers! Lawyers! Lawyers! Lawyers!"

    I more or less see him in a highchair screaming "Mommy!"

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  44. Oops by mummers · · Score: 2, Funny

    Misread this and thought SCO were going to sue DOS developers.

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  45. No more techs by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess the inability to understand what is happening comes from firing all the technical staff and replacing them with lawyers.

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  46. Possible reason by freakmn · · Score: 2, Funny

    The IT Department couldn't afford to pay the sales department $699 for each server, so they took one down. They figured nobody would notice, as they haven't come up with anything new recently.

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