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55 Operating Systems On A PowerBook

OttoMagick writes "I found an article called 'Many Systems on One Machine' over at Kernelthread.com that shows over 55 operating systems running on a 17inch Powerbook. The article includes screenshots and descriptions of each system, and also hacks and tips on getting the nasty ones installed. The author Amit Singh (the Hanoimania guy, covered earlier on Slashdot) explains his reasons for all this in a related FAAQ (frequently asked + anticipated questions) ... In all a very interesting read, specially the FAAQ, where he calls the setup "the iPod of operating systems". Now thats an Apple Power User! I wonder what Steve Jobs would say if he sees people doing such things to his machines!!"

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  1. Emulators by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now, run every single possible emulator available for each OS (from Sinclair Spectrum to CP/M to Atari 8-bit to N-64). That would multiply whatever "wow!" factor is involved here.

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    1. Re:Emulators by aborchers · · Score: 5, Funny
      Now, run every single possible emulator available for each OS


      The chair of my physics dept once said that he'd seen, on a visit to a local Air Force Base, a CPU emulator that could be configured to simulate any CPU on the market. He then said they had four of these monster emulators at the AFB.

      I asked him why they didn't just buy one and have it emulate the other three.

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    2. Re:Emulators by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      almost all cpu's (including video proc's) are emulated first, but remember the emulators are lucky to run at 1mhz at full throttle! they are to verify design, nothing more, nothing less...

    3. Re:Emulators by schnitzi · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, if this guy REALLY wanted to impress me, he would have the 55 OS's running nested inside each other, in an emulator.

      Of course it would probably take 10^236 years to printout "Hello, world!" in the innermost OS but speed isn't really the issue, is it?

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    4. Re:Emulators by AstroSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's more fun is to see how many levels deep you can go with emulation. I did this several years ago and, if memory serves, had:

      OS 8.1 on a PowerComputing clone running VPC 3 (Windows 98) which was running UAE (Amiga Forever version -- 3.1 roms) running Fusion (68k Mac -- OS 7.1) running SoftWindows 1.0 (Windows 95) running PacifiST (Atari ST, TOS 1.0).

      I was actually able to load an image of "Dungeon Master" in this config, albiet taking a full six minutes to get past the splash screen.

      I remember trying other combinations involving different emulators, but Five levels deep is the best I was able to get. ...now if I only had used PC Ditto in PacifiST...

  2. Steve would say... by MrFenty · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...why couldn't the bastard just buy 55 laptops instead ?

  3. The nasty ones by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...each system, and also hacks and tips on getting the nasty ones installed. "

    As soon as I saw "nasty ones" mentioned, I checked the list: Yes, Windows ME is on it.

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  4. 55 systems.... by johndoejersey · · Score: 5, Funny

    and I bet Windows ME is still the worst!

  5. Nice Testimonial by Lizard_King · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From one with lots of experience with many operating systems:

    I find Mac OS X to be the most productivity enhancing operating environment that I have used - ever. Mac OS X is my "primary" operating system, although I do not use, nor have ever used, any Apple systems for or at work.

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    1. Re:Nice Testimonial by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Did you morons even read any of his site?

      I work at IBM Almaden Research Center. Before moving to the Bay Area, I was a Member of Technical Staff in the Information Sciences Research Center at Bell Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey, where I worked on Operating Systems and Networking.

      I'll bet he has credentials that you guys who can't admit that Mac OS X rules (:-) can only dream of.

    2. Re:Nice Testimonial by facelessnumber · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about VNC? That was relatively recent, and definitely a boon for a lot of us. Came from AT&T Cambridge, AKA Bell Labs.

  6. What no SCO? by AccUser · · Score: 4, Funny

    That'll piss Darl off.

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    1. Re:What no SCO? by xlyz · · Score: 5, Funny


      the real question is: how many times SCO can collect license fee from this guy?

  7. Virtual PC == Cheating by Duckman5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems he's running a lot of those operating systems in Virtual PC. Is it just me or does that seem like cheating? I was expecting him to have all those operating systems installed natively.

    1. Re:Virtual PC == Cheating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd hate to burst your bubble there, but Windows does not run on PPC architecture. Neither do most of the OSes.

      The important point here is that he is able to use those environments from within the Powerbook. Whether there is a major speed drop, that's another story. And if he were to choose a x86 notebook, that would have left MacOSX, OS9 out.

    2. Re:Virtual PC == Cheating by byolinux · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, Windows NT was made for PPC.

      FAQ

  8. x86 based? But... by kraker · · Score: 5, Informative

    "With the exception of Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X, all systems listed are x86 based" Well, sorry..., but at least Linux and the various BSDs also exist for ppc architecture. And probably even more OSs. I would have liked to see those installed natively. But then again...

    1. Re:x86 based? But... by Creepy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having had both BSD and Linux variants on mac right at OS X.0 release, I didn't find an easy way to boot load all without typing in openfirmware commands (in Forth).

      I never learned Forth well enough to write my own boot loader, tho.

      I had at least 5 (and I recall 7, but I have a feeling that included YellowDog Linux and Debian PPC) mac native OSes installed at once before the machine failed (power supply, I later learned - this was on a PowerMac 7500).
      BeOS
      MacOS9
      MacOSX
      FreeBSD
      SuSE Linux

      I also ran emulators for everything under the sun and probably had more OSes than he had that way - I tried a good chunk of the downloadable OSes I found off of emulation.net and had VirtualPC (1.0, mind you) with DOS and Windows 95 (tho the OS is technically DOS).

      I slipped away from the emulator scene after the death of that machine, though. The only thing I've grabbed recently is an Apple ][ emulator for old times sake (running on Windows... that's probably heresy, but my working mac is old :P )

  9. How many? by 1000101 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "How many?
    Does it really matter?"

    Isn't that kind of the whole point when you title your website "Many Systems on a PowerBook"? I found it strange that he would even ask that question, much less give it its own little header/section.

  10. Um, WTF? by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure as shit, he's got 55 OSes on there.

    This is all kinda like a mule with a spinning wheel: No one knows how he got it, and be damned if he knows how to use it.

    Seriously tho' Almost all of them are running under virtual PC. That hardly makes this article about a powerbook, and more a testemonial to Virutal PC ( or a simple x86 processor ).

    Now, if you want to have fun, one could certainly load 55+ OSes native on a PC notebook, all directly bootable with one of those new-fangled boot managers. :p

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    1. Re:Um, WTF? by overunderunderdone · · Score: 4, Informative

      one could certainly load 55+ OSes native on a PC notebook, all directly bootable with one of those new-fangled boot managers. :p

      Ahh... but with VirtualPC you can run the all AT THE SAME TIME. Or at the very least you are running your primary OS at the same time as whichever one (or two or three) you are working with.

      Of course you can do the same with VirtualPC for windows but then you are stuck with windows as your primary OS.

  11. Monster Emulators by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    "He then said they had four of these monster emulators at the AFB."

    They had to shut down this project, of course, after the Rodan emulator wiped out half the base.

    The Mothra emulator was sold to Saddam Hussein in 1987, and its current whereabouts are unknown, but its presence in Saddam's arsenal, combined with his poor knowledge of English, might have inspired the "Mothra of All Battles" phrase used in 1991.

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  12. only 54 now by Albanach · · Score: 5, Funny

    the one running his web server seems to have crashed.

  13. Different versions by Zarhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I noticed that on the list there are just

    FreeBSD
    NetBSD
    OpenBSD,

    but every Windows & Dos version released, like, ever. I consider that either non-consistent and/or cheating. Either include every release of non-MS-systems as well or then just single representation from each product line. Pick one from each series: MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 9x/ME, Windows NT.

  14. So What? by bfg9000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get it. This guy just figured out Virtual PC. So what? That's what it does, let you run other OSes.

    I've probably run way over 55 systems on my PC over the years. Looking at his list, I've tried most of these, including the ones he couldn't get working. How is this a story? Because it's on a Mac with emulation?

    No offense, but his feat gets him into the typical Slashdot geek club, but not much else.

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  15. Hobby Operating Systems by daveho · · Score: 5, Insightful
    He missed a couple hobby operating systems:Happily, he did mention my hobby OS.

    Emulators like VirtualPC and Bochs are a really nice way to play with operating system code without having to worry about screwing up your machine.
  16. What Steve Jobs would say: by fw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "You've voided your warranty"

    A friend who's got a tibook mentiond recently that the only v. of linux that doesn't void Apple's warranty is Yellow Dog.

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    1. Re:What Steve Jobs would say: by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they are running on VM's, not booting. technically he isn't running the OS, but the VM, hence warranties are safely intact...

    2. Re:What Steve Jobs would say: by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Funny

      This friend of yours. . .he hasn't, by chance, spent the last twenty years trying to copy a 17.6 MB file, has he?

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  17. Oh no! Let's go! by Channard · · Score: 4, Funny
    Now, run every single possible emulator available for each OS (from Sinclair Spectrum to CP/M to Atari 8-bit to N-64). That would multiply whatever "wow!" factor is involved here.

    And have 'Lemmings' running on every single one.

  18. somebody's gotta say it: by dont_think_twice · · Score: 5, Funny

    55 operating systems, still one button on the mouse.

  19. Why this is better than running them on an x86 PC by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, a disclaimer of sorts. The guy is obviously a geek, what other reason does he need?

    Now, surely it would have been nice to see them all installed natively, but one of the beauties of VPC is it's ability to run multiple OSes at the same time. Could that have been achieved if all these OSes were installed natively? With the possible exception of Linux->MacOnLinux, the answer is no. Emulation of some sort is necessary.

    I would like to see if the other *nixes, the ones that are available for the PPC architecture, could be installed, but I don't think they could be run in tandem with OS X.

    'Course, I don't really know jack-squat. I'm such a wannabe...

    (tig)

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  20. Re:What is the point? by gobbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Umm, ever heard of "have your cake and eat it too" -- at the end of the day he doesn't have to reboot, and if the install is fubared, delete the drive image file and start over painlessly... plus having any number of them running at once is pretty neat, while working in Excel and burnin' in the background... try that on yr klone and see if you keep your hair.

  21. The 55 operating systems by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 5, Funny

    14 Windows systems, whose interface is a bore,
    11 DOS OSes, from the days of yore.
    11 systems scattered across the sundry lands,
    7 real-time systems, in mission-critical hands.

    Three OSes for those who teach, and those who will to learn,
    Three for the Big Blue Demon, from which he could not earn.
    Three of the Small Red Demon, plus one for the Penguin Tux,
    One for desktop publishers, whose software costs big bucks.

    One OS to rule them all, one OS to find them,
    One OS to emulate them all, and on the hard drive bind them.
    In the land of G5, where the cycles fly...

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  22. Ooh, nice link! by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Funny

    My favourite quote: "Because Windows NT is designed to be a secure system, there is NO backdoor into the system."

  23. Re:Except by talexb · · Score: 5, Informative
    • He lists Windows 1-3 in that list... those aren't OSes

    So I guess you didn't read the comment where he says, "Technically, these are actually operating environments".

  24. not a bad idea by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No, if this guy REALLY wanted to impress me, he would have the 55 OS's running nested inside each other, in an emulator.

    That would be impressive. It's probably been mentioned already... but this is not a bad technique. i knew a guy who ran a University web server like this, few years ago... not quite 55 OS's, but it went like this:

    Old PowerMac running BeOS with SheepShaver - > which emulated Mac OS, running Virtual PC - > which emulated Windows, which ran IIS.

    "Ha! Let's see it crash through three Operating Systems!"

    That was the idea anyways. It was damn slow but nice thing was that when the Windows image crashed it only took 6 seconds to recover to its saved 'state'.

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  25. Virtual PC overdose by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Too many of the examples use emulators, for this to be really interesting.

    For example, I think OpenBSD and a laptop may be a smart combination, but then I see:

    OpenBSD 3.4 installs under Virtual PC without much effort..
    and immediately lose interest. Try running it natively, since that's what a sane person who actually wants to use it, would do.
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  26. Emulators for the Mac by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are interested in running various emulators on your Mac, then I recommend John Stile's Emulation.net web site. It covers Game consoles, desktop OSs, arcades and handhelds. IMO, worth the visit.

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  27. densest yet? by Tancred · · Score: 5, Funny

    over 55 operating systems running on a 17inch Powerbook

    Wow...that's over 3 operating systems per inch!!!