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EU Agrees to Share Airline Passenger Data with US
securitas writes "The European Union has agreed to provide the US government with detailed airline passenger data. The agreement allows the collection of 34 pieces of data per person and limits storage of the data to three and a half years. 'The United States originally wanted to collect 60 pieces of data and keep it for 50 years.' Previously, the EU had objected to the plan because it violated EU privacy legislation, the data-protection directive. The plan is similar to the CAPPS II passenger profiling system. The data may be used for 'secondary purposes' other than anti-terrorism measures if requested from US Customs by other law enforcement agencies."
I had planned to attend the FSF annual associate members meeting in Boston in March, but have scrapped that plan due to this legislation. I'll use the money to go to the Libre Software Meeting in France, and FOSDEM in Belgium instead. People shouldn't put up with this crap.
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The data may be used for 'secondary purposes' other than anti-terrorism measures if requested from US Customs by other law enforcement agencies."
Like McDonald's late-night security guards. Or anyone who whips up some FBI letterhead and sends a fax. You'd be surprised how easily organizations will fling about our beverage selections and hotel porno rentals without a care for our privacy or their sense of morality.
Can anyone think of any act, any act at all, where a United States citizen is guaranteed privacy by law? Are phone calls with your lawyer and conversations with your psychiatrist still honored, or is that gone too?
Hm. I wonder if I can get Ted Kennedy's hotel porno rentals. Anyone got a template for FBI letterhead?
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60 pieces of data sounds like a lot. From the article:
"European officials had balked at the U.S. request to get access to additional information airlines may collect that could reveal more detailed personal data, such as medical conditions and political affiliation."
This implies that airlines have that information in the first place. Political affiliation? How can they get such information, and why do they? This is a concern even before they start making it available to anyone.
I voted for my country to join the EU. I would have reconsidered this vote today.
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
EU legislation is one thing, but most major European airlines have freely shared ALL passenger info with the US authorities for almost two years, despite questions and objections by various political bodies. The message is clear: If you care about liberty, privacy and those sort of things and you're not an American, than just stay out. Thanks to the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration now has world-wide carte blance to invade anyone's privacy.
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doesn`t stop anyone from blowing up the plane in mid flight.
Still, at least they'll have all the details of the deceased.
More liberties given up for the illusion of greater security
CJC
Do we European get the US data too then ??????
This is actually pretty funny.
I've always wondered what stewardesses talk about when they withdraw to their little alcove...
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I stopped visiting US last year .. It's just too much of a hassle with their "Patriot Act" and all the privacy invasions.
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I went to Boston in march 2003. There were four check points between the plane and the outside of the airport. At the second checkpoint, the security guy ran out of forms for me to fill out so he let me pass without filling in a form.
When I got to the next checkpoint, I was taken aside by two cops and asked loads of questions because I didn't have the form from the previous checkpoint. Clearly I was a good candidate for terrorism. The questions were pointlessly invasive (my job, my annual wage!, my country of origin, any family in the US, etc.). I didn't mind giving the answers (I could have lied), but it was such a stupid process.
What conclusions could they possibly draw from my verbal answer to "What is your annual income?". I'm sure Bin Laden would really be caught out by that one
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We have this, too.
The US and UK governments: bringing freedom and democracy to the world.
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That the US will delete this data when the three years are over? More likely, it will be "removed" from one database only to go into another more classified database at the NSA or FBI.
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... with "free" of course meaning that authorities freely access any information about anyone.
Don't think that only data from non-americans is collected, it is data from anyone coming in via an European airline.
It's disappointing to see that the American public doesn't give a damn, and even more that the European Parliament is likely to give in to another US bullying.
So that information was once considered private, but now isn't. Funny, I don't remember being asked.
I believe you're the delusional one. Nobody's pissed off, at least no to that point. We're not boycotting the country, we just can't be bothered to put up with the risks and the hassles of a visit to US.
I believe just about everybody in the world is AWARE of the Patriot Act and the new policies USA has put in place for questioning visitors, take your head out of the sand.
And the people who WANT to come to US, they're mostly from poor countries. They want to come to US, make money and send it back home, that's why your countrymen aren't that thrilled to have them. But the rich people, they're not lining up to come to US and spend their money, not anymore.
It was our honeymoon to Hawaii, so there wasn't much choice there. We drive everywhere now, the hassle and total invasion of our privacy just isn't worth it. In one airport, they even had me put one foot on this "detector", that for all I know did absolutely nothing. It was just a box with an opaque piece of white plexiglass with the outline of a foot that said "place foot here". No wires coming out of it at all, and it didn't appear to be plugged in. The security guy just watched me do it and said thank you. My wife and I were both pulled aside and searched twice each way by very rude people that seemed more interested in our undergarments than actually looking for anything dangerous.
Screw 'em. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
If someone bad gets into the US then do you think they'll retain that same persona ? No. They'll swap IDs. For them to be caught again given they get picked up on e.g. a speeding ticket, then the fun starts.
Superficially assuming that their (fake) ID is a good American ID then the only way to pick up if this is really valid is to perform some biometric scans on that "American" and see what comes up.
Its so funny: though its us foreigners who have to get into the US with our biometric enabled passports its actually ALL Americans domestically who'll end up being scanned else how can the Feds actually pick up the overstaying foreigners !.
Doh ! Also do you think that someone who intends to commit suicide in a very public way gives a shit that they get picked up with a dodgy ID. Probably not as my guess is that they'll have two goals:
1) sleep until called for. Make friends with everyone especially "good" Americans. Just wander around for a few years, leaving a paper trail a mile long. If caught then watch amused as couple of hundred Feds spin out trying to gather "intelligence" implicating many other Americans by association on the way.
2) if woken then visit what you have found to be the ideal target and have fun.