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Mac OS X 10.3.2 Update available

iumacboy writes "Apple has released the Mac OS X 10.3.2 Update (not yet active), weighing in at 38.2MB and available via Software Update. According to Apple: 'The 10.3.2 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users. Key enhancements include: Improved file sharing and directory services for mixed Mac and PC networks, more robust printing to PostScript printers, improved font management, updated Mail and Address Book applications, new ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers, FileVault, FireWire 800, WebDAV and USB Printing. Improvements from Update 10.3.1 previous standalone security updates." Also, Apple released Battery Update 1.1 for some of the newer portable Macs.

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  1. Apple is slipping... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two updates that require rebooting on the same day! Bah, I haven't reboot my mac so much since the days it asked (quit) (resume).

    It never did print out my resume.

    1. Re:Apple is slipping... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Mod parent up - I think it's meant to be dry humor, not flamebait.

  2. Fan... by SiMac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The update seems to make the fan kick in at a lower CPU temperature on my 12" PowerBook. I don't know about other models. I'm guessing this is a good thing, because I wouldn't want my baby overheating!

    1. Re:Fan... by Maxwell309 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The first thing that happened upon rebooting was my fan kicked on...these 12"ers do get hot

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    2. Re:Fan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      according to the readme for the 10.3.2 update, that quick and irritating delay for the password screen to come up when the screensaver was locked was fixed. another thing that annoyed me about that flaw was that you could also eject CDs even when the screen was locked. i won't be able to upgrade for a little while. i am curious. can you pop in a CD and check for me please? :)

    3. Re:Fan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well I've just done the upgrade on my 12" PB and I'm still waiting for the fan to go off. It's reasonably cool today (42C yesterday) and the case isn't hot but the fan goes on and on.....

    4. Re:Fan... by dwightk · · Score: 1

      that is very good news...

      Also I hope it fixes Mail.app... that program has been sucking pretty bad since I updated to 10.3

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    5. Re:Fan... by mj_1903 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Same here. The fan is kicking in at around 20 degress lower on my 15" PowerBook but it seems to have a new speed setting. Usually when the fan came on before it was at full speed, this new setting is rather lower and IMHO the machine is feeling cooler to the touch in normal use.

      Hope this is actually Apple doing some adjustments to the hardware because they are always welcome.

      On a side note, my PowerBook's battery now properly reports the Ah as being 4200 rather than previously 2900. This is a welcome change.

    6. Re:Fan... by Domini · · Score: 1

      I find my fan already kicks in earlier than on 10.2... and it's noisy on my 12" iBook G3.

    7. Re:Fan... by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yeah, put me down for a big "me too" on that. The fan's been running pretty much nonstop on my original (867MHz) 12" PBG4 since I updated... and man, is it loud! Anything that puts the processor over 1% usage, it seems, causes the fan to start up. Granted, it ran a lot before the update, but never this much.

      By the way, what are you using to check your CPU temperature? I just found this utility today: Temperature Monitor. I'd been under the impression, from programs like MenuMeters, that my PowerBook didn't have an internal thermometer, but apparently it does--it's just not very well publicized. Try this in the terminal:
      ioreg -l | grep -C10 temp
      This fan is really starting to get on my nerves. I thought Macs were supposed to be the quiet ones? Here's to hoping Apple figures out a way to make these things run cooler in the future.

      yours
    8. Re:Fan... by MrDalliard · · Score: 1

      It does seem a bit weird, that on the day Apple releases an update to make your battery last longer, it then releases an OS update which will probably make your battery last for less time because the fan is always on.

      One step forwards, two steps back.

      M.

    9. Re:Fan... by Maserati · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping too. My ~/Library/Mail folder is 372MB and I'm getting long pauses (spinning beachball) as it re-indexes when I do an 'all messages' search.

      I'll try it today, I have to test it prior to deployment.

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    10. Re:Fan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the future? You were just burned (no pun intended) by apple and yet you are going to get another one?

    11. Re:Fan... by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

      Well, see, Steve tells me to buy, so I buy. It's that simple.

    12. Re:Fan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Apple terms you are "hooked".

    13. Re:Fan... by plj · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Fahrenheit. For me, the the new CPU temp triggering the fan on is 52 degrees C, and it will shut off when temperature has fallen back below 47 degrees C, according to Temperature Monitor.app. The old numbers respectively were 64 degrees C and 60 degrees C, IIRC.

      Actually this rather sucks for me, because with my 1st generation 12" PBook the fan actually runs most of the time (well, close at least), and thus the whole box feels much more noisy. Granted, little below 60 degrees C was a bit hot, but never any _real_ problem for me.

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    14. Re:Fan... by mj_1903 · · Score: 1

      Yup, I meant Fahrenheit, although I work in Celsius. :) Just spent way too long in the US and know that most of the slashdot community comes from those shores. Have not tested it with my 12" PBook yet (first gen). Hopefully its not as loud as yours.

  3. Network Browsing and FileVault by Maxwell309 · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm downloading the update right now. I hope this helps with browsing smb. It was so easy to find smb shares in Jaguar, but in Panther I have to know the server address and share name. Also I woud like to start using FileVault...I'm going to wait a little longer before I enable FileVault.

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    1. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by stuntshell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I totally agree on the Network Browsing in Panther, the interface has changed(to worse), locks up often, and attaching to a domain or workgroup requires changing Netinfo.

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    2. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by The+Mainframe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah... after I enabled filevault (back before 7B85 was even officially released!) and had to sell my soul to get it disabled and my data back out of a shambles (I have backups, but that thing corrupted everything), I'm also going to wait until enabling filevault.

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    3. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by ChocolateCheeseCake · · Score: 1
      Yeah... after I enabled filevault (back before 7B85 was even officially released!) and had to sell my soul to get it disabled and my data back out of a shambles (I have backups, but that thing corrupted everything), I'm also going to wait until enabling filevault.

      I'm not surprised. If it is new, it will most likely have issues unfortunately due to the size of Microsoft noise making community, aka Paul Therrot, any problems that do exist in the Windows world are blamed on a voodoo curse, possible "virus" from linux users and right down the list, behind accusing Al Qaeda, will be, "possibly a bug, will be fixed in the next service pack".

      Most people I know don't really need to use it, unless you're a teenager with a massive porn collection and you don't want your parents to find out OR you're a "International man of mystery", most users will find very little use for it.

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    4. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is ridiculous. I can see all the shared machines on my Windows network but can see no files on them. If I use the "connect to server" (Apple+K) thing, then I can see them all fine. Pathetic!

      Quote from apple.com: "Will do Windows: You can easily add a Mac to a home network with Windows-based PCs......" Endquote.

      This is plainly a lie. It does NOT work and I am damned annoyed about it!

    5. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      1. you don't share machines, you share files.

      2. this works just fine. maybe you should think about changing the domain from "WORKGROUP" to whatever your other machines are using.

      slashdot's being overrun by tards!

    6. Re:Network Browsing and FileVault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people...don't really need to use it, unless....[teenager with porn, spy]

      ...or if you are a parent with porn you don't want your kids to find! More convenient than encrypted disk images.

  4. Apple updates by mjc_w · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting that the battery update is for the 12" iBook and not the 14" iBook. I just ordered a 12" iBook from Yellow Dog Linux (which, btw, are shipping the X video driver for their Linux on Friday), so I will be installing these updates this weekend.

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  5. Tastes great on my Al Pb 17" 1.33 GHz machine by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Installed and booted no problem. Ran Verify Disk Permission and it didn't report any problems

    I did notice that 'browsing' for network volumes now results in the mounted network volumes also showing up on the desktop.

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    1. Re:Tastes great on my Al Pb 17" 1.33 GHz machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      davester666 -- can you now save a network volume's password in your keychain when you connect by browsing?

    2. Re:Tastes great on my Al Pb 17" 1.33 GHz machine by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      That's great news! I hadn't seen that with the developer builds, but I didn't look for it either. I'll install it just for this reason alone.

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  6. Safari update by Eridius · · Score: 3, Informative

    Despite not being mentioned in the release notes, Safari was also updated to v1.1.1. However, the only difference I can see is that the title attribute now shows up as a tooltip (which is a good thing, granted). Dave Hyatt's weblog lists many other changes post-v1.1, but in my tests they didn't make it in to v1.1.1. Such a shame.

    1. Re:Safari update by tweder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps that's because 1.1.1 isn't part of this update?

      Software Update is still plugging away in the background for me - and I'm posting this comment from Safari 1.1.1 on 10.3.1 - Go figure...

    2. Re:Safari update by Eridius · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm not sure what you mean. v1.1.1 came in the update, but as Dave Hyatt says in his weblog (in his reply to me):
      The update to WebKit is very minor (a few key fixes and the title support). It does not contain any of the fixes I have been blogging about.
    3. Re:Safari update by tweder · · Score: 0

      What I'm saying is that particular build of Safari isn't part of 10.3.2 update -- It must've come along with something else, as I've been running it on 10.3.1 for quite some time.

    4. Re:Safari update by trouser · · Score: 0

      Me too. I'm downloading the update now and posting this from Safari 1.1.1

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    5. Re:Safari update by transient · · Score: 1

      I'm also running 1.1.1 with 10.3.1. WebKit may have been updated, but it's just a framework, not an application. WebKit is not Safari.

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    6. Re:Safari update by BMonger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Safari was already updated to 1.1.1. The OS 10.3.2 update installs previous security patches. Bringing Safari to 1.1.1 was a previous patch (the cookie patch I believe).

    7. Re:Safari update by mudward · · Score: 1

      Safari was updated to v1.1.1 in a separate update several weeks ago. If you missed that one, it was likely included caught by v10.3.2.

  7. Wow. by /dev/trash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's a big update. Are all Mac users on Broadband or what?

    1. Re:Wow. by EnjoiLinux · · Score: 1

      Yea. Pretty much. We Mac guys usually keep up with at least the minimal in the best technology out there it seems

    2. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep. We're all richer (that's why we can afford it) and smarter (that's why we're richer and why we bought Apples) than you.

    3. Re:Wow. by capmilk · · Score: 1

      Of course all Mac users are on broadband. How else could we ever download enough stuff to put our built-in DVD burners to use? ;)

    4. Re:Wow. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Well my next PC may actually be a Mac, but if the Updates are that big I dunno. See I can't GET anything but 56k dialup.

  8. For those new to this... by WasterDave · · Score: 4, Funny

    The art is to leave it a few days then check macfixit.com for fallout.

    As an aside, I can never tell if Apple's QA procedures for these releases are crap, or if it's just that the Apple using community are noisy bastards as soon as something doesn't work.

    Anyway, leave it a few days. 10.2.7 says so.

    Dave

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    1. Re:For those new to this... by usr122122121 · · Score: 5, Funny
      The art is to leave it a few days then check macfixit.com for fallout.
      SHHH!!! Now all the victims *cough*, I mean, "early adopters" won't be posting any feedback on MacFixit.

      Great job.

      Amazing how similar this is to walking through the woods - you want a tall person in front of you to catch all the spider webs ;-)

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    2. Re:For those new to this... by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      Um, I agree. But which do you think it is? Crap QA or noisy userbase? I actually have no idea--but I've seen plenty of both. Non-issues get screamed about, but the iTunes deleting bug was pretty spectacular.

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    3. Re:For those new to this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the use base can be noisy, and has become noisier recently. This could be attributed to a change in the user base, but given the number and severity of recent dumb problems, I'm inclined to think that QA hasn't been quite as effective as it should be.

      Apple has never had a great testing system (since its pre-release system UI stuff is not widely distributed). It seems, however, it has recently been declining -- most of the big serious flaws in recent software releases were discovered within minutes or hours of release. So I think Apple probably needs better testing.

      The other side of the problem seems to be a slackening of careful design, and/or poor internal communication between groups -- which if it were taking place would help maintain consistent behavior across the system. The bug in 10.3 where browsed servers didn't mount the same way as directly connected servers is just one example of this kind of problem.

      In the broader view, I think Apple needs to sit down and spend a lot of time designing. That is, thinking about exactly how a feature might be used, so that it can be implemented in a manner that will be most convenient and consistent for most users. Apple's really magnificient accomplishment has been in making things simple by designing interfaces where all the pieces just naturally behave in a way that makes sense and that you'd want them to. Unfortunately, it seems like some of that consistency and simplicity is missing in recent releases, and that Apple hasn't compensated by introducing explicit controls on various aspect of behavior. One example that comes to mind is window behavior in 10.3: there's no way to get rid of the sidebar, universally, without getting rid of the button bar at the top of the Finder window and the single-window browsing...in addition to many other inconsistencies and oddities.

      In closing, I'm led to suspect that a recent decrease in consistency and QA has led to noisier and more outspoken users. Most Mac users don't seem to have a lot of patience for dumb bugs and UI gaffes.

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    4. Re:For those new to this... by klui · · Score: 1

      Actually, I prefer to look at www.macintouch.com. Their reports on Mac OS updates are great.

    5. Re:For those new to this... by macmurph · · Score: 4, Funny


      >>The art is to leave it a few days then check macfixit.com for fallout.

      >SHHH!!! Now all the victims *cough*, I mean, "early >adopters" won't be posting any feedback on MacFixit.

      >Great job.


      If something does go seriously wrong, they won't be posting any feedback anyway... ;-)

    6. Re:For those new to this... by transient · · Score: 1

      Ya'all are a bunch of lightweights! ;-) 10.3.2 is running fine on my TiBook.

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    7. Re:For those new to this... by steeviant · · Score: 1

      Sorry -- posting AC so I don't lose too much karma points being modded down as troll / flamebait :-(


      Pussy. :D

  9. Sawtooth/GeForce by Lev13than · · Score: 1

    Has anyone tried this on a Sawtooth with GeForce? Has it solved the memory problem?

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    1. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by Lev13than · · Score: 1

      Ok, just got home and installed it - runs fine with 256mb, but >256 you get the same problem as before. Damn.

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    2. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by MrOrn · · Score: 1

      Just tried with a flashed PC GeForce 2MX -- yes it works for me.

    3. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by 47Ronin · · Score: 1

      Nope. With more than 256 MB RAM, 10.3.2 will still black out on boot if you have a flashed PC Geforce2 card. Mine is a 64 MB PNY Verto Geforce2 MX400. Guess I'll have to stick with my old 16 MB ATI Rage 128 Pro until I can afford a Radeon 9000 or a Geforce4 MX

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    4. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm writing this post on a Sawtooth with a flashed Hercules GeForce2MX that did not even begin to work with previous systems. Now it's working about as well as my Rage128 was.

      To get it to work I started up with the shift key held down (in previous versions of 10.3 even this didn't allow me to boot). Then once I was booted up I determined that the GeForce.kext file in /System/Library/Extensions was causing the system to panic. I made a backup copy of this file by copying it out of the Extensions folder (NOTE: dragging files from the extensions folder will cause them to be copied). Then I deleted the original GeForce.kext file.

      When I rebooted without holding down the shift key the computer booted normally. I'm pretty certain, however, that Quartz extreme isn't running. I haven't tried anything that uses regular 3D acceleration, but I'm not optimistic.

      Then I wrote this post. :)

      To re-enable the GeForce.kext, for whatever reason, drag it back in to the Extensions folder then repair permissions from within the disk utility. The GeForce.kext file is actually a package, and simply setting the correct file permissions on it from the Finder or command line is unlikely to get it working again.

      I hope that's useful, or at least informative, for other people with similarly afflicted Sawtooth systems.

      Sincerely,
      Anonymous Coward

    5. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by capmilk · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about main memory or graphics card memory? ;-P

    6. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by MrOrn · · Score: 1
      No, you are unfortunate. I have 768 MB RAM and a flashed Asus 7100 GeForce 2 MX (32 MB RAM). 10.3.2 is running fine -- I just put my Rage 128 away in a drawer.

      If you want proof, go here

    7. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many Graphics cards have more than 256 megs of Ram, and where can I find these magical Cards?

    8. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by 47Ronin · · Score: 1

      I deleted my Extensions.kextcache and rebooted with the 64 MB Geforce2 MX400. Wow, it got to the login screen.. great! Or so I thought. Once I was on the Desktop I moved windows and all i saw were fragmented outlines. ARGH! I even left the room and the monitor went to sleep.. when I woke it I got a kernel panic. The only way to get "proper" behavior is to boot into safe mode (Shift Key at boot-time). Now I the windows act okay but I may not be getting full Quartz Extreme performance. WTF?

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    9. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by Chaset · · Score: 1
      This is a bit OT, but I bought myself an ASUS 7100 a while ago in the hopes that I can flash it w/ Mac firmware. After trying for a while and getting blank screens, I gave up, flashed it back, and resigned myself to having a decent backup vidcard for my Win/AMD PC's.

      So, if you read this, could you tell me what you did to flash it?

      I know there was a web site on this topic and I followed the instructions there. No dice.

      Perhaps my problem is that the flash trick doesn't work with PCI GF2MXs or older macs, which I believe was implied on the web site.

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    10. Re:Sawtooth/GeForce by MrOrn · · Score: 1
      I have an AGP version, so I don't have any experience with the PCI version. However, here's what I did.

      Created a Windows boot floppy with the nVidia flasher on it plus a copy of the Mac ROMs for my card (Twinview, ROM version 1075). Stuck the card in a PC and booted it. Ran the flasher and backed up the existing ROM from the card onto the floppy. Then re-ran the flasher and flashed the Mac ROM onto the card.

      After the flash, the card went into the Sawtooth and it worked perfectly (well until 10.3, at any rate).

      I know there were problems with Quartz Extreme and PCI video cards in general -- although there seems to be info about the PCI versions of the GF2MX at www.xlr8yourmac.com. It seems you need to boot into OpenFirmware and execute some commands to force it to recognise the card on the PCI bus. Have a look, you should be able to get it working!

  10. Hold the Presses...smb trouble by Maxwell309 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well I was hoping this update was going to make browsing networks better, try again. I am at home right now and I have a WinXP machine with a couple of shares. The finder saw the WinXP machine, which it never used to do. Double clicking on the WinXP machine's icon brought up a message "The alias Rainier could not be opened, because the original item could not be found" (I name my computers after Cascade volcanos). Clicking okay on the dialog would not close the dialog. I relaunched the finder and tried connecting via the "Connect to server" menu item. It took 2 minutes to connect, made the finder unresponsive, and made the dock unresponsive. A quick alt-cmd-esc, relauch the finder and everything is okay.
    It might be wise to wait a few days....

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    1. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by Glial · · Score: 3, Informative

      Same problem here. I can see all the smb shares on my XP Pro Machine, and only 2 out 4 on my Win 2003 Server.

      I too, get the " ....could not be opened, could not be found"

      This is more than a little problem, in my opinion. I expected 10.3.2 to resolve the issues, but so far, I can't tell that anything has changed in regards to networking.

      Strange that this improvement in Panther, was something that wasn't broken in Jaguar.

      Ok, Apple this situation is getting critical.

    2. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more reason to hold off I guess. I have had nothing but problems since upgrading to Panther trying to connect to the WinXP machine on my home network. With Jaguar, I had no problems using Connect to Server. With Panther, half the time it doesn't show the WinXP computer at all under Network in the Finder and when it does, 80% of the time the shares don't show up. Stranger still, sometimes when they do show up they are only there for a second and then disappear before my eyes. Other times it shows the XP computer and asks me to click to connect. When I do, nothing ever happens ... ever. This is not an improvement and it makes for huge frustrations in trying to share files between the XP computer and my Mac.

    3. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I relaunched the finder and tried connecting via the "Connect to server" menu item. It took 2 minutes to connect, made the finder unresponsive, and made the dock unresponsive. A quick alt-cmd-esc, relauch the finder and everything is okay.

      So what's new?

    4. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by Talthane · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shares are troublesome on my iBook if stored in favourites as "smb://sharename/" but work perfectly as "cifs://sharename/" - have you tried using both variants?

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    5. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by ahunter · · Score: 1

      Yep, but these problems have *ALWAYS* been there. The usual cause is an annoying interaction between the automounter and the Finder. (The finder creates a .DS_Store file that prevents the automounter from mounting the remote machines, usually if the Windows machine is shut down while mounted).

      The solution I've found: go to /private/var/automount/WORKGROUP/SOMEXPMACHINE - if the directory exists but is empty, you should be able to ls -a and see the %!^@ .DS_Store file. Delete the file and the directory (don't rm -rf unless you like living dangerously: rm .DS_Store and then rmdir SOMEXPMACHINE). killall -HUP automount, and relaunch the finder. Everything starts to work again, right up until the next time you shut down your XP machine.

      Andrew.

    6. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      I'm having the same SMB problems I was having pre-update. I can mount the shares individually using Cmd-K, just like I always could, but using the Network icon in a finder window doesn't show anything but a "Servers" icon that only contains the local machine. My Samba server doesn't appear at all.

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    7. Re:Hold the Presses...smb trouble by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      I don't have any problems with this at home, but get exactly the same problem as you do at work. I put it down to the work machines windows lm names not being the same as their DNS names (they are mostly DHCP'd).

      For e.g. I have a Windows XP box at work named MACBOY which my Mac can see in the network browser, but it's DNS name will be dhcp-2-1-xx where xx depends on the IP address it picks up from DHCP. The Mac won't pick up any shares from MACBOY. I suppose I could test this by adding an entry for MACBOY in the netinfo host database.

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  11. EULA?! by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Whoa- not one, but TWO EULAs. Maybe I'm just tired+in conspiracy mode, but I don't remember having to do that for other Software-Update updates.

    Of course, I read neither. Did anyone? Can we get a copy posted here, and a little analysis?

    1. Re:EULA?! by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

      First EULA:

      ENGLISH

      APPLE COMPUTER, INC. SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT SINGLE USE LICENSE

      PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") BEFORE USING THE SOFTWARE. BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU ARE ACCESSING THE SOFTWARE ELECTRONICALLY, SIGNIFY YOUR AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE BY CLICKING THE "AGREE/ACCEPT" BUTTON. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, RETURN THE APPLE SOFTWARE TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT FOR A REFUND OR, IF THE SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE".

      IMPORTANT NOTE: To the extent this software may be used to reproduce materials, it is licensed to you only for reproduction of materials you are authorized or legally permitted to reproduce.

      1. General.

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    2. Re:EULA?! by AnamanFan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I didn't read or agree to the EULA, but that's because it wasn't even displayed. When you install software updates via SSH, you are never offered or even know the existence of the EULAs.

      Reminds me of when software in CD sleeves had the sticker that read "By breaking this seal, you agree to the terms of use." By cutting the bottom of the sleeve, you could use the software with out breaking the seal, thus using said software w/o agreeing to the terms.

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    3. Re:EULA?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You have no license to use the software if you don't agree to the EULA. Therefore, if you actually think that not breaking the seal frees you from agreeing to the terms, then it would also mean that you are using the software without license, and therefore violating copyright law.

      Or that's how I interpret things anyway. See this article that was recently linked to from the YRO section.

      From the article: So when you read people say that the GPL is perhaps not enforceable because you don't sign it or click on a form, or because of a lack of privity, or because there is a lack of consideration, or some such, you'll understand that the person misunderstood and thought in terms of contract law. It's a common error.

      Even though you don't necessarily have to break the seal to physically get at the CD, the license still applies. In the same way, it's possible to bypass some installers that would make you click an agree button, but it doesn't actually make any difference. You're either using the software under their license with their terms, or you're using it illegally.

    4. Re:EULA?! by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, excuse me? Whoever told you that you need a license for software or violate copyright law is full of crap. The only restrictions that apply are those give all itmes covered by copyright - you can do pretty much whatever you want with the software, just not copy it and give it to your friends.

    5. Re:EULA?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever told you that you need a license for software or violate copyright law is full of crap.

      That depends on which country you are talking about. The USA, I believe, has a law that states that you don't need a license to perform necessary copying - i.e. copying onto the hard drive (installing) or copying into RAM (running).

      Other countries, such as the UK, don't have this law, and so you need a license to makes those copies.

    6. Re:EULA?! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      UK law is ambiguous on the issue. Clearly if you're given something, or bought it, you have an implied right to use it granted to you by the copyright holder if the copyright holder has authorized you.

      By using SoftwareUpdate you ask Apple to copy a file to your system, and Apple is happy to do that. By using (note, just using, which you have an implied right to do after buying something) Mac OS, Apple's software that it gave you copies itself into memory as needed, as intended by Apple.

      I don't believe you "need" a license to run software you've bought, or even to install it in the way the software is set up to be installed. But obviously it's much easier to use something in an unlicensed way - making a back-up copy, or manually installing something on your hard drive, etc.

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    7. Re:EULA?! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Until you've agreed that it is licensed software, you own it from first sale doctrine. The license agreement takes away rights you had. E.g. if the AOL CDs you get have a license restriction against using the CD for any other purpose than for installing AOL's software on your computer, it means nothing unless you agree to it.

      However, even disagreeing with the license agreement may constitute acknowledgment of the existence of a license requirement. If that's true, then you're stripped (of your rights) if you do and stripped if you don't. Then your only protection then is ignorance.

      IANAL, and am expecting an IAAL response to tell me how wrong I am.

      So, any unusual gotchas in these EULAs?

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    8. Re:EULA?! by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Other countries, such as the UK, don't have this law, and so you need a license to makes those copies.

      So if a particular software title doesn't come with any license at all, you don't have a right to use it?

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  12. Uh... by rixstep · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever I read

    'delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability'

    I realise they're not going to tell me anything.

    Why can't they mix up the language just a bit, up their credibility?

    1. Re:Uh... by Domini · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then you should just follow the link HERE and read a fuller more detailed description.

    2. Re:Uh... by MacGod · · Score: 1

      Maccentral has a pretty detailed list of exactly what's been updated.

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    3. Re:Uh... by mj_1903 · · Score: 1
      Sadly that tells us next to nothing about graphics card driver updates and the nitty gritty details that we all need. For instance, is my GeForce 4MX performance back up to Jaguar levels on my PowerMac? I can't check.

      Having friends at Apple also allows me to know changes they are making. I know there was more than 1 issue fixed with Mail, yet they only display one issue.

      The knowledgebase article should contain all information that could affect any user, so that sys admins and the like can know what is being changed without resorting to taking the installer apart. We already have the small blurb in the Software Update window, so give us the complete change list please Apple.

    4. Re:Uh... by Domini · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they only listed the most requested changes...

      As for performance, you should just run a benchmark.

      but, yes, I do agree... more information would have been better... even if it was hidden away for Joe common user.

    5. Re:Uh... by Bob+Davis,+Retired · · Score: 1

      That's actually just the Apple description of the update, copied line-for-line.

  13. Sensationalism by usr122122121 · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm really disappointed in the lack of sensationalist responses to this story. When I installed:
    • My PowerBook instantaneously caught fire, despite the other reports of increased fan activity
    • As soon as I extinguished the flames, iTunes started downloading and playing all the pop "music" available from iTMS. Charged to my visa, of course.
    • The volume selector somehow moved all the way to full power, and was no longer controllable.
    • My "Documents" folder was instantly transformed into a FileVault archive to which I didn't have the password.
    • IE reclaimed "default browser" status, and began popping up Shockwave porn ads all over the place, much to the dismay of the elderly folks in the room.
    Oh, whoops, it installed just great. You go ahead and try now ;-)
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    1. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      No QT update?

      I updated my Wallstreet and now there is a commercial splash for the new Al 17" on boot between the grey screen and the blue screen.
      \\\

      Also, my cat threw up.

    2. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I updated my powerbook, and my hair caught fire! And for some reason, it installed the Linux 2.6.0 kernel ... I dunno how.

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    3. Re:Sensationalism by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that it takes over 20 minutes to install a 17MB update. ;-)

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    4. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be one of those weirdos who runs Windows XP inside Virtual PC, and you've confused Windows Update with Software Update.

      I heard the XP service pack from this afternoon fixes the problem. However, I advise you stay 5 or 6 service packs behind just to be safe.. so by Sunday evening it should be ok to run Windows Update.

  14. Terminal fixed as well by (startx) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't find this documented anywhere, but they fixed Terminal.app as well! When 10.3 came out, they removed the "Use option key as meta key" checkbox from the Terminal Window settings. They've re-added in in 10.3.2! Now I can have multiple windows open in BitchX again and alt/option+# between them again! Praise jobs for restored functionality!

    1. Re:Terminal fixed as well by Mikey-San · · Score: 1

      It was moved to the "Window" section in the window settings prefs in Panther. I've been using option as my meta key in Panther since the dev releases.

      A quick look at by backup from 10.3.1 says Terminal was 1.4.1. 10.3.2's Terminal is also 1.4.1.

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    2. Re:Terminal fixed as well by redJag · · Score: 1

      It's like when people call in because their password doesn't work anymore (they forgot their password) and you tell them to try it once more. Somehow, it *almost* always magically works!

  15. Mail by Refrag · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know what was fixed in Mail? How about Address Book?

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    1. Re:Mail by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Mail w/Panther has sounds associated with specific actions. Zoom/jet when 'sent' messages are done going out; simple chime when a new mail check completes without bringing anything in, and a bong/pong when there is a new mail as a result of a check.

      Panther Mail had a bad habit of bonging when there was no new mail...false alarm thing. It should only bong when new mail comes in (not deleted junk, etc.).

      Supposedly the false positives are corrected.

    2. Re:Mail by orpheus2000 · · Score: 1

      Don't hold me to this, but I could have sworn my very large list of IMAP folders actually updates with new mail when courier+maildrop filters a message into one of the folders *without* a "Synchronize" or "Offline/Online". Very cool stuff!

    3. Re:Mail by Squozen · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try RTFA. There's a link to the Apple README which specifies the Mail/Address Book changes.

    4. Re:Mail by milkman_matt · · Score: 1
      Panther Mail had a bad habit of bonging when there was no new mail...false alarm thing. It should only bong when new mail comes in (not deleted junk, etc.).

      Personally, i've begun to experience an issue lately where if I try to tag an email as junk/not junk it crashes Mail.app. Which really bugs me, i'm praying that this does not happen after this update.

      -matt

  16. Has this security problem finally been fixed? by Juanvaldes · · Score: 0, Troll
    1. Re:Has this security problem finally been fixed? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yes, Mac OS X is venerable.

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    2. Re:Has this security problem finally been fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you "fix" something that is not a problem? This has been beat to death folks...

  17. Update Breaks 3rd Party kexts by DonnarsHmr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The update seems to break 3rd party kernel extensions. The update unloaded all of my kexts and prevents them from being reloaded. This breaks uControl and SideTrack. Only bug found so far on deploying to a PowerBook G4 15" (Gigabit Ethernet) and a PowerMacintosh G4 450 (Sawtooth).

    1. Re:Update Breaks 3rd Party kexts by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Well, not all of them. DoubleCommand still seems to be working fine. I'd have to go back to 10.3.1 if it didn't...

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    2. Re:Update Breaks 3rd Party kexts by Jon+Evans · · Score: 1

      I'm using both uControl and SideTrack, on my 15" PowerBook G4 FW800, with 10.3.2, and it all works fine. Maybe you just need to get newer versions? I know I updated uControl a couple of days ago.

    3. Re:Update Breaks 3rd Party kexts by CuriousGeorge113 · · Score: 1

      We're not going to be able to use Side Track much longer. The public beta is going to expire soon and there isnt any update posted on the raging menace website :(

      I dont know what I'm going to do if side track expires and there is no new release

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    4. Re:Update Breaks 3rd Party kexts by sjdownes · · Score: 1

      The problem for some people (myself included) is that the installer for uControl 1.4 blocks you from installing on 10.3.2. It reports a bogus message about requiring 10.3.x (!). I used Pacifist to circumvent the version check and force install it. It's working fine now.

  18. The Big Fix by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

    But does it fix "No One Lives Forever 2" yet? I still can't play that game under 10.3 yet.

    1. Re:The Big Fix by jpkunst · · Score: 1

      I think we'll have to wait for an update from MacPlay to make the game to work with Quicktime 6.4. (See MacPlay's NOLF2 support page.

      In the meantime, I'm rebooting from an external Firewire drive with 10.2.8 / QT 6.3 if I want to play NOLF2.

      JP

    2. Re:The Big Fix by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      Hm - I have 15 GB free on my iPod - that sounds like a great idea.

  19. as the article stated, video card drivers udpated by ClaytonianG · · Score: 5, Informative

    For anyone wondering if this update fixed the the numerous video card problems that came with 10.3.0-10.3.1 the answer is a resounding YES!

    I can personally verify that the xclaim vr pro is once again working and the rage 128 continues to work. I've also read on the apple discussion boards that this update fixes the nasty 256 MB problem with certain nvidia cards. All in all it seems to restore functionality of all the video cards that were suppose to be supported in 10.3 to begin with. :)

    yay, I am back to two monitor goodness!

  20. Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by jjc2222 · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those who were curious and hopeful (I was so hopeful I went and early adopted this update :-) ), Mail.app still does not check IMAP folders other than your primary inbox when automatically checking or when 'Get New Mail' is used. You still have to 'Synchronize' or go 'Offline' and 'Online' again to force it to check.

    (Note that this is with Fastmail IMAP, though I don't think that it makes a difference).

    Sigh - it's back to choosing between easy and automatic mail checking and automatic filtering.

    1. Re:Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by cbiffle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhrm...

      Not for me. Works just great. Actually works a bit too well, since a few of my mailboxes have 6000+ messages in them and the server is an old mbox UW-IMAP machine. The sysadmin has actually asked that I set the automatic check interval higher. Apparently I'm responsible for their load peaks.

      Anyway. Here's me:
      --UW-IMAP of some unknown but archaic and annoying version.
      --10.3.1 (now .2) running Mail.app

    2. Re:Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by orpheus2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The parent's problem is actually when you use Maildir folders. I believe that UW-IMAP impementations use mbox and are a little better at detecting changes.

    3. Re:Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by jjc2222 · · Score: 1

      Did it work in 10.3.1?

      Mail.app has never done this properly for me. I just tried:

      1. Deleting and recreating my account.
      2. Turning off SSL.
      3. Checking the "Automatically synchronize changed mailboxes"
      4. Adding an "inbox" prefix.

      ...in lots of combinations, and none of them work. It is still the case that if I get mail that ends up in my inbox and mail that is filtered to one of my folders, only the one in my inbox shows up when I click 'Get New Mail'.

      I guess it works for some and not others. Here is me:

      OS X 10.3.2 (never worked in any previous version either)
      FastMail

    4. Re:Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, why don't you clean out some of your F*in mailboxes, retard? Move the 6000+ messages to boxes you don't check automatcially, if you really need to keep that mail (which you probably don't).

    5. Re:Mail.app Still Not Checking IMAP Folders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you F*ing stop calling people "retard", fucktard?

  21. Fasten seat belts by djupedal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This update hauls digital ass.... Run XBench and see for yourself.

    Video screams (both LCD and CRT)...QT smokes...external FW800 drives perform as they should...life's good.

    This must be a precursor for something big at MacWorld in January, 'cause it's fast! (Cube, iBook, TiBook & Dual 1.25 G4 all working great)

    Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:Fasten seat belts by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      Cube, iBook, TiBook & Dual 1.25 G4

      What, no G5? Whats wrong with you?

      (said by a Mac user who could only aford a G3 iBook)

    2. Re:Fasten seat belts by prockcore · · Score: 2, Funny

      Video screams (both LCD and CRT)...QT smokes...external FW800 drives perform as they should...life's good.

      You know I had a boss who screamed and smoked, and life wasn't good.

    3. Re:Fasten seat belts by Bob+Davis,+Retired · · Score: 1

      It's kind of insane to buy a new product until a couple of revisions later (IMHO).

      I won't be getting a G5 until next fall at least. They'll be faster and nicer, and have any bugs worked out to boot!

  22. Or.. Not...? by DonnarsHmr · · Score: 1

    After shutting the lid in disgust and coming back to the computer, SideTrack has become enabled. I have no idea why sleeping and waking fixed it.

    1. Re:Or.. Not...? by PsychoSpunk · · Score: 1

      Well, it is alpha software.

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  23. iBook SE by General+Sherman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Awesome. Just a note, for users of the iBook SE (FireWire) that had issues because 10.3.1 wouldn't let them change their displays ColorSync profile resulting in a horridly oversaturated image, it's been fixed now.

    No more booting into classic to launch it's monitor control panel and switching it from there. Good times, glad to know that Apple does occasionally listen.

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  24. Useless Apple idiots..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, this is ridiculous. I can see all the shared machines on my Windows network but can see no files on them. If I use the "connect to server" (Apple+K) thing, then I can see them all fine. Pathetic!

    Quote from apple.com: "Will do Windows: You can easily add a Mac to a home network with Windows-based PCs......" Endquote.

    This is plainly a lie. It does NOT work and I am damned annoyed about it.

    1. Re:Useless Apple idiots..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quote from apple.com: "Will do Windows: You can easily add a Mac to a home network with Windows-based PCs......" Endquote. This is plainly a lie. It does NOT work and I am damned annoyed about it.

      ...and if you think that's fun, try integrating OS X server with Active Directory ("seamless" my arse)

  25. This update was fantastic by CrackedButter · · Score: 2, Informative


    I got 50 minutes better battery life, now its 4:02 instead of 3:12.
    With the big update everything feels alot snappier This is a good update unlike some bad ones, i'm running a 1.25Ghz PB with a GB of RAM.

  26. But my boss is too tight to buy 10.3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah I say. Bah.

  27. Updated and running fine. by ITR81 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Rebooted fixed permissions and rebooted again.

    Boot up time for me is the exact same or so small I can't tell the difference.

    iPhoto, iTunes and the rest of the iApps load alot quicker.

    Able to find all our windows server and connect to it.

    All items in the dock only bounce about twice now.

    OpenGL effects in iTunes now run at 30 FPS almost constantly now. Before the highest it would go would be 28 FPS and it wouldn't even stay there very long.

    The sleep light now tends to not breath as deeply when and in sleep mode. It also has dimmed abit as well.

    Can't tell you about the fan or email yet. My email server won't authinecate and I haven't got off my PB long enough to allow it cool down to test the fan.

    Very good update.

    1. Re:Updated and running fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just installed the 10.3.2 patch and *everything* seems to be slower from booting the machine from a cold start through to launching apps. *8-(

      the previous levels of 10.3.x before the 10.3.2 patch all were showing blazing boot times and not so fast - but still acceptable application launch times.

      do i need to do something extra to my powerbook 12" (series 1) to compensate ????

      any / all help appreciated ....

    2. Re:Updated and running fine. by n8_f · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try rebooting again. The first time after a major system upgrade (kernel replacement versus just a security patch), it probably invalidates the kext cache, so it has to probe to see what all is there.
      Regarding app lauches, with new system libraries it would probably have to fix the prebindings, which would be a similar situation to above. If they aren't faster on subsequent launches (after a reboot; of course they will be faster if they are still cached in RAM), I would be surprised and like to see objective data.

      I'd like to know if that makes no difference.

    3. Re:Updated and running fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      many thanks to n8_f (85799) for the previous update regarding my situation ... !

      hopefully heres a small post just to cover a couple of points that i may have missed in my original post earlier regarding having performance problems after the 10.3.2 patch ...

      i tried rebooting three or four times for various other reasons today - not because of any crashes you understand ... *8-)

      but each boot-up sequence seems to take roughly the same amount of time. the current boot time however is as i mentioned in my earlier post *significantly* slower than pre-10.3.2-patch (something like 4 times slower for the cold boot sequence - unfortunately i didnt do any timings before the patch to compare to now). *8-(

      the initial application launch times are also significantly slower (circa twice as slow as before) than before the mac os x patch.

      however as was before the patch, any actions of the form:

      (user action 1) - application startup
      (user action 2) - application shutdown
      (user action 3) - application startup

      result in more or less the same kind of behaviour - ie. user action 3 of the application startup is fast as its probably still memory resident.

      my system (as mentioned before in my original post) is a powerbook 12 (series 1) with 640 meg ram and 60 gig hdd.

      but having said all that you make an interesting point which i hadnt considered regarding the pre-bindings.

      i guess i need to try and force a re-bind of the system / application pre-bindings.

      i have heard about the prebinding issue sometime ago, but as my machine didnt seem slow, i didnt really pay it much heed....

      i'm not too familiar with the exact details regarding what the pre-binding involves... (hopefully there will be no risk of me breaking anything on my machine as its my only machine and i;m pretty much dependent on it for work at a client site!)

      maybe i should wait until next week when i'm at home over the christmas holidays and have the chance to back up *everything* on the machine before i attempt to do anything else thats a bit risky ?

      anyway many thanks for your post/info so far !

      - matt.

    4. Re:Updated and running fine. by n8_f · · Score: 1
      You know what, I think my earlier post was crap. I installed it on my work machine and noticed no perceptible difference in startup or app startup times the first time I booted. It may still do those things, but they don't appear to affect startup times. I'm installing on my home machine right now, but I expect a similar experience.

      So, why would your machine all of a sudden slow down? You could try to force OS X to rebuild the caches by running
      sudo rm -rf /System/Library/Extensions.kextcache /System/Library/Extensions.mkext
      You can also run "dmesg" to see if there are any error messages showing up during boot.

      If you are still having problems, you would be better off posting to the Machintoshian Achaia. There are some pretty helpful folks over there and it is much more responsive to these kinds of problems then SlashDot.
  28. FIXED-AGP Sawtooth/nVidia GeForce 4 MX by toby · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm typing this on a 'Sawtooth' AGP G4 running 10.3.2 - with Quartz Extreme enabled on its (aftermarket ) GF4 MX!

    Well done, Apple, for fixing the driver issue that prevented this combination from working in earlier releases of 10.3.

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  29. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by jeffreyjakucyk · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, the updated graphics drivers do not fix a standing issue with SimCity 4 that was introduced (or at least seriously exacerbated) in Panther. Since upgrading to 10.3, the game shows no shadows, building placement outlines, effect rings, or ANY "distressed" buildings (all you see is the ground tiles with no building on top. Aspyr said that this is a "bug with the ATI drivers in Panther" but since these new drivers in 10.3.2 don't make ANY improvement in the game, I'm thinking that Aspyr is full of crap.

    Otherwise, I haven't noticed any problems with the update.

  30. Remote Desktop Connection broken? by stefanb · · Score: 1
    I rely heavily on Microsoft's Remote Desktop Connection, both for administering some Windows boxes, and those times when I cannot do without IE.

    Since putting the update in, RDC has become quite unstable, crashing right at startup, or a few minutes into the session. Anyone else seeing this?

    1. Re:Remote Desktop Connection broken? by jayspec462 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was a bit paniced when you mentioned it. (I don't use RDC a lot, but when I need it, I really need it.) But my RDC seems to be fine after the 10.3.2 update.

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  31. Java 1.4.1 Update, Too by gooru · · Score: 1, Informative

    FYI, there is also an update for Java 1.4.1 that appears in software update after installing 10.3.2 (which went pretty smoothly).

    1. Re:Java 1.4.1 Update, Too by capmilk · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Java 1.4.1 update was released on November 19th. More to be read in Apple's Knowledgebase.

    2. Re:Java 1.4.1 Update, Too by gooru · · Score: 1

      Right, but it pops up again after installing 10.3.2 for whatever reason.

  32. No. Only the poor ones. by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of us have multiple T1s coming into our houses.

    No. Seriously, Mac users haven't used dial-up since they eliminated floppy disks and 56K modems from all thier computers a couple years ago.

    1. Re:No. Only the poor ones. by foonie · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 56K modem is alive and well on most Macs sold today.

    2. Re:No. Only the poor ones. by sinistral · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yup, definitely the most useless part of my computer. Especially since I can get faster speeds dialing up with my cell phone.

  33. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by stingerman101 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If you bought a G5, you would be able to get Panther at a significantly reduced price. Stop trolling.

  34. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Was it the video card driver issue causing the problem with Chimera/Camino's "big blank squares" problem (after rendering a page with a lot of JavaScript, Camino blanks certain parts of the screen, that then show again when a link somewhere is clicked.)? This was a new bug with Panther, and the only mention of it on the Camino forums I saw had some buck-passing from the Mozilla team to Apple.

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  35. omg, like no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't belive it. Release of the 2.6 kernel, release of RotK, and now the 10.3.2 update? Pinch me, I must be dreaming. It will certainly be a merry Christmas for geeks everywhere.

    Perhaps we are living in some kind of golden age.

  36. 1.1.1 was part of last security fix... by ErnstKompressor · · Score: 1

    patching whatever problem we all were carping about two weeks ago :)

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  37. It works just fine for me by Robert+Gadling · · Score: 1

    It seems, that some windows configurations will break this. However this is not universal, and your sweeping statement is unwarranted.

    In my setup at work, there is *no* problem for me working in a windows evnironment!

    1. Re:It works just fine for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using a PowerBook, physically move around switching from Wi-Fi to hard-wired network connections (on the same network)... Then tell me that Apple's networking implementation in Panther works.

      I was expecting this to have been fixed. I guess I'll have to wait a little longer until I can re-enable automount.

  38. Re:Buggy by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

    Trolly as hell... Don't mod up...

  39. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by floatt · · Score: 1
    I'm not.

    My ATI Xclaim 3D Plus, which was supported in 10.2.8, is not supported in Panther. Apple had been providing the driver. Apparently they're not anymore as it remains unsupported in 10.3.2. ATI refuses to provide a driver saying that the card is too old. It is, btw, still for sale at bestbuy.com.

  40. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This also happens in Safari and MSIE - certainly has done in MSIE since 10.0.

  41. Huh? by filmsmith · · Score: 1

    Seems to me your best option is to rest your laptop on your Lap where it belongs. ...Now your G4 Babytop is a different matter altogether.

    fs

  42. No fan problems here! (Re:Fan...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just need to say that I don't have this problem. I have always had problems getting the fan going even when I try hard as hell. If I leave the computer on my bed for 30 minutes or so (at full load - I run dnetc on all my computers including the iBook) it might start if it's not cool in my bedroom.

    A bit off-topic maybe, but I really think that the components can take a lot more heat than this. I doubt the CPU would take any damage at 75 C. Sure things might not last as many years, but things like disks usually lasts a month or almost forever. And the CPU usually never dies anyways (although high temperatures is said to shorten the lifetime). So I think they could tune their fan settings a bit more aggressive, at least on the iBook. The PowerBooks tend to be so hot that you can't hold them without gloves though ;)

  43. Re:Buggy by PanamaCongress · · Score: 1

    Share the bugs please, or refrain in the future from trolling.

  44. Minor Installer problem. by arvn · · Score: 1

    Well I took the dangerous path and upgraded...only one small problem, the installer did the down load of both the battery update and the 10.3.2 update, and did the optimize to 100%, and then hanged. So had to do a force quit and restart, and everything seems to be OK. Still checking though. My Mac is a 600Mhz dual USB iBook. Good luck;-)

  45. WEB DAV Issue by tmy47 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I upgraded to 10.3 it broke my iDisk access behind my corporate firewall. Happy to report that this update fixes it. Thank you Apple!

  46. Shouldn't that be (progn (quit) (resume)) ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how long ago was it that Macs would ask things in Lisp anyway?

  47. Quicktime and iTunes updated, as well by radicalskeptic · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Apple has also released Quicktime 6.5 and iTunes 4.2.
    Quicktime info
    iTunes info

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  48. Re:Updated and running fine...Update. by ITR81 · · Score: 1

    Unlike some of the newer PB's out there my TiBook fan only turns on after about 15 mins or so and then turns off during normal surfing and using iApps. So it's not really much of a change for me in that dept. Mail works fine. It's Earthlink's mail server which isn't working. It finally authinecated long enough to get my 40 emails of spam and then it died again. The Preference menu now flows more easily now as well.

  49. Am I the only one having a SERIOUS problem? by lullabud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, I'm having problems with this latest update. In fact, I'm in the process of reloading my 12" powerbook as I type this. What happened? Well, I was working on another computer and I wanted to hear this Delerium song called "Truly", it's really good. So, I turned to my 12" powerbook, plugged in an external 1394 drive, not firewire 800, and almost instantly got a kernel panic. I'm not sure at what point the installer was at, it was behind my mail.app that i was taking notes in. I rebooted and the poor thing just wouldn't boot up. It'd bring up some of the network services, like ftp, but it didn't bring up ssh. It never got to a gui either. Repairing the disk and permissions didn't help. This is only the second kernel panic I've gotten since i bought this kick ass, best laptop I've ever had last Feb, but damn, the last one just required a reboot and disk check! At least OS X automatically imports your system prefs when you reload a new system on the old HDD, unlike trying to import your prefs in windows after reloading right over the top. XP on my inspiron took a whole day to reload and get back to custom settings. Oh, there's the chime of my installer rebooting, looks like everything's back up and running now. Hmm..... took about 15 minutes, sweeeet. =D But man wtf was up with that? Time to try it again...

    1. Re:Am I the only one having a SERIOUS problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait a minute - was this at your freelance gig?

    2. Re:Am I the only one having a SERIOUS problem? by 3263827 · · Score: 1

      Yes

    3. Re:Am I the only one having a SERIOUS problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My problem with 10.3.2 isn't THAT serious, but still. My 12" PB panicked suddenly while I was doing nothing particularly special (Sarafi, Mail, Finder, iTunes). I'm seriously considering downgrading to Jaguar now.

  50. Bug report sources on these sites not too reliable by hellfire · · Score: 1

    In my experience, places like Macfixit, MacResource, and MacInTouch either have two philosophies for the way they handle updates:

    1) Report all the news on possible bugs as matter of factly, display all reports of bugs as they were emailed to the site, and do no filtering whatsoever of any information, despite the fact that most of the posts are drivel that no one else in the world can replicate and may have missed something that they claim to have tried (not everyone is logical).
    2) Tilt the story to sensationalize the fact that there were tons of reports of problems to generate readership and scare people.

    Now I can't fault any sources really if their motivation is #1, but frankly, this doesn't help either. I work in support, and I also take a gander at our users email list which we actually run. There are weekly emails of builds and patches of our software that are bad because they would be applied and suddely a whole bunch of problems would occur. Yet mysteriously they never would report them to support, and I couldn't make happen what they had happen.

    I'll see emails on these site screaming at apple for making crappy bug fixes and complaining about issues that make their life a living hell, but I don't see anyone else saying this. I also see a lot of "me too's." The firewire 800 issue also saw a lot of people complaining about firewire 400 drives, which Apple claims are not experiencing problems. I'm having problems believing the me too's about firewire 400 because not enough people are having problems on those drives, and I have a general distrust of users who claim they worked on a problem and found it to be something when in fact they missed 2 or 3 other possibilities.

    Everyone who submits an email to these places should contact a support rep. Unfortunately, support costs money these days, which sucks and I do sympathize, but on the opposite side of the coin you have to make sure this kind of stuff is real and not FUD.

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  51. Xcode 1.1 Is out too by Val314 · · Score: 1

    downloading it now from Software Update

  52. Beginning of the end for G3's ? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

    I did some preliminary xbench's on my machines, and my G4's all got quicker, yet my G3 iBook (800mhz) got slower:

    Powerbook: 84 -> 87

    eMac: 105 -> 112

    iBook: 34 -> 26

    1. Re:Beginning of the end for G3's ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ran xbench on my 700mhz ibook g3 (640megs RAM) and i got 48 with 10.3.2... and my system drive is 95% full as well. I don't have the scores from before.

      So, it seems to me, maybe maybe there is something wrong with your ibook!

    2. Re:Beginning of the end for G3's ? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      Odd; I'm using automatic CPU speed for on battery use and 'highest' for on mains use. Activity monitor doesn't show anything using the CPU in the background. I've rerun this particular version of Xbench (v1.1.3) several times on this machine with comparable results. Unfortunately the xbench results comparison site is down at the moment so I can't see what the average is.

    3. Re:Beginning of the end for G3's ? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      Xbench is giving confusing results. My inital figure was for 'reduced' performance. I just re-ran the bench on the highest and automatic settings, and got 44.29 and 30.65. However it seems to take very little for the final figure to waver dramatically - I don't understand the weightings here. My iBook is an 800mhz w/640MB Ram.... as the only other thing running at the time of my first bench was Mail.app, I'm inclined to put it down to bad benchmarking.

    4. Re:Beginning of the end for G3's ? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      After a few more runs through I'm seeing some consistency. Performance on batteries is down, but on highest it's up, averaging 31 and 44 respectively. Although the Total result that Xbench is giving me doesn't seem to add up given that all my component results are up...

  53. killed my beige by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ya ya i know-running the latest & greatest on a 7 year old machine aint that bright, and i certainly know that 10.3 is not supported on the Gossamer. but xpostfacto managed to launch it and i had been happily running Panther for a month. the 10.3.1 update worked fine but this latest one did me in. upon reboot i got the "grey screen of death", which seems to be video card related. re-install required :/
    ps: the reinstall worked great even with all the ram [512 mb], cards [usb, radeon, and asante NIC], hard drives [total of 3], and scsi drives [cdrom and yamaha burner] still attached. props to xpostfacto and the power of beige.

    1. Re:killed my beige by potuncle · · Score: 1

      This is fixed with XPostFacto 3.0a10 (just released on the 20th). My beige now works great with 10.3.2.

  54. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Alas I still see the problem.

    I just wish the Mozilla and Apple developers would stop passing the buck and actually get the problem fixed!

    Well, apparently I posted less than a minute ago so here's some light relief to make up for the crappy rendering in Chimera/Camino. (BTW is it just me or is Chimera still a great deal more solid and less buggy than Camino? What's the deal with that? It's not like Camino has any major new features except that search thing and that's a PITA in practice because you only have to brush your fingers across the keyboard and suddenly you've lost your place. Damn it! Damn you all to hell! Well I turned it off! Off I say!)

    There's a guy with a Doberman Pinscher and a guy with a Chihuahua. The guy with the Doberman Pinscher says to the guy with a Chihuahua, "Let's go over to that restaurant and get something to eat."

    The guy with the Chihuahua says, "We can't go in there. We've got dogs with us."

    The guy with the Doberman Pinscher says, "Just follow my lead." They walk over to the restaurant, the guy with the Doberman Pinscher puts on a pair of dark glasses, and he starts to walk in.

    A guy at the door says, "Sorry, Mac, no pets allowed."

    The guy with the Doberman Pinscher says, "You don't understand. This is my guide dog."

    The guy at the door says, "A Doberman Pinscher?"

    He says, "Yes, they're using them now, they're very good."

    The guy at the door says, "Come on in."

    The guy with the Chihuahua figures, "What the heck," so he puts on a pair of dark glasses and starts to walk in. The guy at the door says, "Sorry, pal, no pets allowed."

    The guy with the Chihuahua says, "You don't understand. This is my guide dog."

    The guy at the door says, "A Chihuahua?"

    The guy with the Chihuahua says, "You mean they gave me a Chihuahua?"

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  55. Re:as the article stated, video card drivers udpat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just do what us Windows users have been doing for years now and pirate the fucking thing.

    Oh wait, it's an Apple product, few to no warez sites give a fuck about those, guess you are pretty fucked then.

    Well you only have yourself to blame for buying a product from a company with worse business practices than Microsoft.

    Let the buyer beware.

    Joke is on you fag.

    Also as a majority of mac fags I bet your have some sense of "ethics" or some bullshit telling your to turn your holier-than-thou nose up at piracy, well grow up, your childish ideals are naive and stupid. Corporations don't deserve rights.

  56. Re:Bug report sources on these sites not too relia by Bob+Davis,+Retired · · Score: 1

    I never had problems with my FW 400 (OX 911 chipset) before 10.3 and the 10.3.1 update did nothing. I have updated the firmware, but the drive becomes unresponsive after a few hours. The only solution is a reboot.

    These aren't me too cases, even Oxford acknowledges that there are problems.

    You sound kind of ignorant when you spout pure bullshit like you are now.

  57. Re:Bug report sources on these sites not too relia by hellfire · · Score: 1

    You sound kind of ignorant when you attack me and don't analyze what I just said.

    #1 I have experience in supporting bugs. This comes from my experience. If you can't see this in what I just said then tis you who sounds ignorant.

    #2 admittedly I didn't say this, but I have a firewire 400 drive with absolutely no problems. It's some generic drive too. ZERO problems.

    Oxford barely admitted anything, "there are problems" is exactly the extent to which things were admitted, but frankly that's a weak statement that we support people use to keep the user calm while we figure out what the hell they are talking about.

    You have a problem? I feel for you. But based on your information so far I have no real basis for establishing its 10.3 yet. Why? I don't know you and I dunno if you are a shmoe or a tech guru. I deal with shmoes every day and each one of them SWEARS they didn't change anything between yesterday and today except upgrades the software, but then I find out they are lying and find a setting which they switched which, in their situation, shouldn't have been turned on.

    I'm not saying you are a liar, I'm just saying that the resource sites are not reliable on bugs like this because all they do is regurgitate emails of screaming users who insist the problem is someone elses fault. As a support rep I merely must remain skeptical.

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  58. an actual probelm by portscan · · Score: 1

    Since everyone seems to be having mostly positive experiences, I thought I would let it be known that 10.3.2 rendered my 550MHz TiBook unbootable. Reinstalling 10.3.0 completely fixed the problem (and it still works fine after updating to 10.3.1). I haven't tried putting 10.3.2 on again because, quite frankly, I am afraid the same thing will happen again. Just make sure you have your 10.3 discs on hand before you install.

    Anyone else have this problem?