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Despairing of Pixar

An anonymous reader writes "According to AnimWatch, Despair Inc :-( has released the short films of stop-motion animator Mark Osborne on DVD. They're available through Happy Product.com. MORE, the first stop action short film shot in IMAX format has been nominated for an Academy Award, won a Jury Prize at Sundance, appeared in a Kenna music video, and even appears in the Hotline documentation, but this looks like the first time it's ever been available on DVD. According to the filmmaker he hopes to fund future films by selling his old ones. This is the best short film I've ever seen, so all I can say is I'm glad it's finally getting a proper release. Isn't this how Pixar and Aardman got their starts?"

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  1. steve jobs? by lotas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    dident pixar get a major start (with the help of a lot of money) by steve jobs?

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  2. Kenna used MORE by Gyan · · Score: 2, Redundant

    as their video for 'Hell Bent'

  3. I am sure it is cool but... by mschoolbus · · Score: 3, Funny

    so all I can say is I'm glad it's finally getting a proper release

    How about proper bandwidth...

    1. Re:I am sure it is cool but... by Walterk · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess their pipes are despairing.. *groan*

  4. Pixar will be around by flewp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assume the subject line of the submission is trying to indicate that this hurts Pixar.

    The truth is, Pixar will be around for awhile, and will continue to make great films. Really, I can't think of any other CG animation studio that has films of the caliber of Toy Story, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Life, etc. Sure, tools become better and better and are allowing a greater variety of people/studios to make similiar type of movies, but Pixar is one of the pioneers of the new technologies to hit the big screen and will continue to be for awhile.

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    1. Re:Pixar will be around by karmaflux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it implies a threat to Pixar, I think it's just a way to put across the fact that both despair.com and a computer animation house are in the body of the article. A misleading and confusing way, but a way nonetheless.

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    2. Re:Pixar will be around by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Eh DreamWords did a pretty good job with Shrek.

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    3. Re:Pixar will be around by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ffs.. DreamWorks :/

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    4. Re:Pixar will be around by IWorkForMorons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, I can't think of any other CG animation studio that has films of the caliber of Toy Story, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Life, etc.

      Pretty sure the movie "Titan A.E." from the now-defunct studio who's name is forgotten would qualify...

    5. Re:Pixar will be around by twoslice · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Movies are all about quality. It does not matter what your company name is - if you make a quality product people will fill the seats and buy the DVDs. Just because you have a recognizable name - does not mean that you will have an instant hit.

      Conversely, if you make a lousy product investors will not make any money at it...

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    6. Re:Pixar will be around by Free_Lard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      pixar makes pretty family films, yes, but there are other (independent) animators out there. i was very impressed with "The Cathedral", directed by Tomek Baginski which was included in Mike Judge and Don Hertzfeldt's Animation Show. there were a lot of great films in that show, most of them using stop motion or traditional animation, and most were at least as good as any pixar movie ive seen out there. Pixar may be profitableand have immense resources, but they are certainly not the only studio out there

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    7. Re:Pixar will be around by flewp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, they did a wonderful job. But as I mention a few posts down, no other studio can really claim to have a portfolio (for their type of work) of the caliber of Pixar. That is to say, they have multiple films that are of extremely high quality, both in technical aspects and in storytelling.

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    8. Re:Pixar will be around by flewp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Movies are all about quality

      And that's why Pixar is the leader of the field. They are both extremely talented on the technical side and, just as, if not more importantly, the storytelling side.

      Just because you have a recognizable name - does not mean that you will have an instant hit.

      Agreed, but a recognizable name means people will at least look at and consider your work, especially if your recognized name is associated with quality.

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    9. Re:Pixar will be around by Jbrecken · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed, [DreamWorks] did a wonderful job. But as I mention a few posts down, no other studio can really claim to have a portfolio (for their type of work) of the caliber of Pixar. That is to say, they have multiple films that are of extremely high quality, both in technical aspects and in storytelling.


      As well as the aforementioned Shrek, Antz was a decent story, and had some incredible images. I'd say DreamWorks is in Pixar's league for CG films.
    10. Re:Pixar will be around by PunchMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure how common knowledge this is, but one neat trivia piece about "A Bugs Life" DVD is that the widescreen and 4:3 versions of the movies are actually rerenders. Not pan and scan.

      Screenshots showing the difference available here (Scoll almost to the bottom)

      Link

      This site also has some pretty good examples of the different aspect ratios, etc.

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    11. Re:Pixar will be around by Khomar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but a recognizable name means people will at least look at and consider your work, especially if your recognized name is associated with quality.

      Absolutely. Consider the past couple trailers for the Pixar films. Both "Monsters Inc." and "Finding Nemo" contained very little about the actual story. In fact, after seeing the trailer for "Finding Nemo", I was not exactly enthused about the story. However, I knew from experience that Pixar uses excellent stories and expressive, fascinating characters, and so I, like millions of others, went and say the film and loved it. Pixar has built such a good reputation that they could almost just display a screen that said " - A Pixar Film - Summer 2005" and people would flock to see it.

      I would also like to point out what I see that makes them great. They combine a fantastic story with great characters told through cutting edge computer graphics with content that is great entertainment for kids while having enough sophistication in their humor to highly entertain adults (note: this means no "adult" humor in the bad sense of the word). This is why Pixar is now the reigning champ, and as long as they stick to this formula, they will never lose that title.

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  5. Not the first time MORE has been on DVD... by lcracker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I picked MORE up on DVD two or three years ago. It was on a compilation of a bunch of indie shorts. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe it was volume 13 of something (utopia maybe?) and it definitely had a picture of a mushroom cloud on the cover.

    1. Re:Not the first time MORE has been on DVD... by lcracker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ok sorry, it wasn't volume 13 but volume 7. It's been on DVD since [at least] Feb 1, 2000 according to here.

  6. No - George Lucas by OpenYourEyes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, Pixar was a spin-off from the computer graphics division at Lucasfilm. It was sold to Steve Jobs at that time in 1986. Disney wasn't involved until 1991 - well after Pixar had made a name for itself.

    Official Pixar History

    1. Re:No - George Lucas by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's even more complex - initially Pixar was supposed to be a computer making company. They tried to sell a sophisticated graphics workstation called Pixar Image Computer for a cool $135,000. Steve Jobs always was a hardware fetishist, but both his "main" project of that day - the NeXT Cube - and Pixar Image Computer were horrible market flops. Among the 120 employers of Pixar in late 1980's, only five were trying to make films; the others were trying to develop, manufacture and market the workstation that nobody wanted to buy. This policy has led Pixar to huge debt of a 50 megabuck magnitude. Only then came the Oscar and the Disney etc.

    2. Re:No - George Lucas by rekoil · · Score: 4, Informative

      There was software as well...the RenderMan suite is what they were best known for, and I they had a lightweight app called Typestry that I used extensively back when I was a graphic artist. Good stuff.

    3. Re:No - George Lucas by The+boojum · · Score: 2, Informative

      Originally, though, their Renderman implementation was supposed to be done in hardware. They initially prototyped it in C on general purpose hardware, and then when the special purpose hardware flopped they realized they were on to something with the software.

  7. Exposure by Dracolytch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey Gang, I saw this short quite some time ago on the Sci-Fi show Exposure. If you're interested in shorts, I really recommend checking their site out. Even though they don't have More available for on-line play, they do have shorts like Prelude to Eden, and Protest.

    http://exposure.scifi.com

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  8. funding by Savatte · · Score: 5, Informative

    Getting funding for a short film is quite possibly more difficult than getting funding for a feature film. A full-length film at least has the possibility of being picked up and distributed to vast audiences, where as an investor's return on a short film is more likely to be nothing, since they are rarely exhibited. To convince someone to give you money so you can follow your dream or experiement is quite difficult. Stan Brakhage, the world-renowned avant-garde film maker had trouble finding funding for his short films, since he was so prolific (he made about 400 films in his lifetime). He then decided to take a different approach and began painting on the actual film, which took more time, and thus was able to make his funding last.

    For some other non-Pixar fascinating short films, check out:

    Duck Amuck - Chuck Jones
    Eye Myth - Stan Brakhage
    Rabbits - David Lynch
    The Heart Of The World - Guy Maddin
    The Superbowl Is Gay - Andy Milonakis (yes, I'm serious. This is one of the most purely comedic films ever made)

    1. Re:funding by fruey · · Score: 2, Interesting
      and began painting on the actual film, which took more time, and thus was able to make his funding last

      How is taking more time able to allow him to make his funding last?

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    2. Re:funding by Zak3056 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stan Brakhage, the world-renowned avant-garde film maker had trouble finding funding for his short films, since he was so prolific (he made about 400 films in his lifetime).

      Not TOO much trouble finding funding if he made 400 of them!

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  9. Commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pixar initially worked on commercials before their movies. Not sure if these even predated the short films becuase they were initially geared to be like an advertising firm. Notable Pixar commercials include:

    Tropicana Orange Juice (with bouncy/dancing oranges)
    Listerine /w animated and Robin Hood Listerine bottle
    Gummy Life Savers that danced and such

    1. Re:Commercials by greenhide · · Score: 3, Informative

      Luxo Jr. was that animation involving a jumpy, excitable desklamp that now serves as the "i" in Pixar (You'll see it in the opening titles of any Pixar film).

      Of course, instead of just hearing people on Slashdot go on about Pixar's history, why not just get it straight from the horse's mouth?

      A nice, clear, and easy history of Pixar.

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  10. Aardman by lxt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Isn't this how Pixar and Aardman got their starts?" - I don't know about Pixar, but Aardman (based right down the road from me in Bristol) was originally two teenagers who got a commission from the BBC to produce a short kids ident (called the "aard man", hence the company name). From then on, the studio funded itself through producing advertisements and music videos (Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer for example), and put the revenue it recieved into producing quality shorts - it was this money that funded Nick Park's "A Grand Day Out". "Chicken Run" is an exception to the advertisement funding rule, as it's part of a five film deal with Dreamworks.

    1. Re:Aardman by g_attrill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's a nice history on their website explaining everything.

      Gareth

  11. From across the sea by Bazzargh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd quite like to see this film, but where's the tech spec for the DVD? From the lack of one, I can only assume that this is Region 1/NTSC?

    Just goes to remind us what a disaster the DVD region encoding is. Its a system that can only help large conglomerates staging their worldwide releases, not small operations who'd like to sell to all and sundry via the 'net.

    Ho hum. Wish more folk would release their wares on Region 0, like the good folks at MindCandy did.

    BTW, Aardman had been going for a long, long time. Those of us who grew up in the UK have been watching their stuff all our lives on Vision On, Take Hart, and Morph. The rest of the world probably saw their work first on music video - Peter Gabriel's 'So' was out 3 years before W&G. So its probably more accurate to say that Aardman got their start by years of slog on TV work.

    As for "hopes to fund future films by selling his old ones" I think that's also the business plan of Disney, Universal, Sony.... ;)

  12. pixar in 1987 by jspectre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i remember pixar demoing some of their medical imaging systems at princeton university back in 1987.. they sold some high-end unix-based servers to help generate graphics, the kind that are easily done on a PS1 these days. making movies wasn't even on their radar back then.

    didn't buy any of the servers, but they were pretty pictures (for the time).

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  13. MORE about as good as animation gets. by kid+zeus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got this on the Utopia collection of independent shorts a few years back, and all I have to say is that it's simply one of the finest pieces of animation ever done. And watching it on in a small, low-res QT window is not the best way to check out the amazing texture brought about by it's Wide Format (aka IMAX) filming. This guy is fantastic, and I hope he gets some great funding because I can't wait to see what he does next.

  14. Forgotten studio? Not quite. by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Titan A.E. was done by Fox Animation at their defunct Arizona studio. They located their studio in Arizona to avoid paying animators union wages. The head of Fox Animation was Don Bluth. Titan A.E. basically bankrupted Fox Animation.

    Fox recently bought Blue Sky Studios in upstate New York, the creators of the short "Bunny" and the feature "Ice Age." They are now working on "Robots" for early 1995 release.

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    1. Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite. by rekoil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Has Don Bluth done ANYTHING that actually made someone money? Every film I've heard of him involved in seems to have disappeared onto the scrapheap of financial and critical mediocrity.

    2. Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite. by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Funny

      They are now working on "Robots" for early 1995 release.

      They apparantly are not going to make that deadline.

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    3. Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite. by a1englishman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not defending Don Bluth, but your supposition that something has to make money in order to be considered good is erroneous. Making money is an indicator of being popular, not necessarily good. There's plenty of popular films that are utter cods wallop. There are also plenty of good films that were utter financial flops.

    4. Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite. by May+Kasahara · · Score: 2, Informative
      An American Tail, for one. Not to mention The Land Before Time, The Secret of NIMH, and the Dragon's Lair game.

      Just dig back 15-20 years or so and you'll come upon the good stuff.

    5. Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite. by dw5000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Has Don Bluth done ANYTHING that actually made someone money? Every film I've heard of him involved in seems to have disappeared onto the scrapheap of financial and critical mediocrity.

      Well, An American Tail made $47.8M domestically in 1986. Land Before Time grossed $82M globally on a budget of $12.3M; that was '89. And Secret of Nimh grossed on about that level, too.

      Since '89, though, I don't think anything he's done has broken even before it's been released on video. The problem with Titan A.E. is that it had that huge budget which included setting up the Arizona studio ($75M), meaning it would have need to gross at least $150M before video to even have a chance at breaking even. It got about 1/5 of that worldwide, though a little better than what his other post-Dogs films racked up. It's not all his fault, honestly; if Fox had a clue in its head it wouldn't have flushed $75M down the toilet to win a pissing match with Disney/Pixar.

      Since Titan A.E., Bluth's been attached to exactly ZERO projects. Can you say... done?

  15. Re:steve jobs and other red herrings by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Neither Steve Jobs nor Pixar are even mentioned in the article linked. Why on earth is Pixar in the headline?

  16. Re:Yahoo pulled short? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No torrent, but I'll put up a mirror for you.

  17. film length by theMerovingian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the best short film I've ever seen

    I am surprised more film people don't make short movies of their 'concepts', and use them as a demo to pitch to major studios/investors. If I were a film executive, I would be much more willing to consider spending $ on someone who would take that much initiative on their own dime. Also, you could sell the short film to recoup some of your costs (even if it doesn't get picked up).

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  18. Wouldn't it make more sense... by GeekLife.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the title of the article to be "The Pixaring of Despair," considering there's nothing happening to Pixar at all?

  19. anybody watch the documentary trailer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
  20. No, it's not quite how they got their starts. by tinrobot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pixar started life as a spin off of ILM, with Jobs as a major investor. He hoped to make money off of rendering technology and the shorts were mostly done as promotion. Little did he know there was more money in feature films than Renderman software.

    Aardman got it's start in the 70's by two animators who loved clay. They sold a show called Morph to the BBC and that made the studio. Nick Park came a decade later. The first Wallace and Gromit was a student film he couldn't finish on his own. Aardman provided the resources for Nick to finish it and the rest is history.

    That said, there are a number of OTHER animators who have made decent careers by using one film to finance the next. Bill Plympton comes to mind, as does Don Hertzfeldt.

    Mark Osborne's films are similarly great, I wish him lots of luck.