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Linus Blasts SCO's Header Claims
jonbryce writes "Linus has responded to the latest claims made by SCO in their letter to the Fortune 1000 companies. Basically, he wrote the code himself, and it has been there since Linux 0.0.1. No copying from BSD or any other source." You can also read his comment to the Linux kernel mailing list, which reads in part "I think we can totally _demolish_ the SCO claim that these
65 files were somehow 'copied.' They clearly are not."
A reputable publicly-traded tax-paying United States corporation and some Finnish teenager from goddamn Communist country. Hmm, I wonder who's telling the truth.
Wow, it's a bloody SCO story trifecta day today! :)
Do any of you Slashot people here have a copy of Linux 0.0.1 to prove it? :)
Isn't there some way to just shrug off SCO? I mean, it's like some annoying little man that constantly claims your head as his and is suing you for taking your head from him...
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SCO Press release tomorrow: Linus is ashamed of the copyrighted code. We knew this all along.
He's the main thief of SCO property. /sarcasm :)
Mod the parent "funny."
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I can't remeber now what those 65 thingies are but I remember writing them. I did it with charcoal, a small floating rock and a duck I always keep in my pocket. I kept an onion tied around my waist, which was the style of the times, and I dreamt of marrying my comely cousin. Alas I lived in Springfield not Shelbyville. Anyway... I was writing code that I never saw before in BSD Free, Open or otherwise.
There was a boy with a blanket being pulled by a beagle. He was quoting Chaucer and blathering about a pumpkin, possibly Great. In any event he took from me my charcoaled rock and yelled, "You're a good man ellem!"
I hadn't thought much about him until slightly after I invented a small programming language called Sea which two nice gentlemen asked to look at, I showed it to them and another man took my hand-held rolly-ma-jig I called a rat. Anyway...
This
"I wrote them (and looking at the original ones, I'm a bit ashamed: the "toupper()" and "tolower()" macros are so horribly ugly that I wouldn't admit to writing them if it wasn't because somebody else claimed to have done so ;)"
:-)
If SCO is big on claiming ugly code, I can only imagine what a convoluted mess UnixWarez actually is.
I can't believe anyone on Slashdot doesn't know who Linus is.
He's Lucy's baby brother, dumbass! You know, the one with the blanket?
Where have you *been* the last 50 years?
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
After reading Linus' code review of a younger Linus's work, it seems Tannenbaum was right.
Tannenbaum: Linus, you fail it! 'F' for you!
If thou see a fair woman pay court to her, for thus thou wilt obtain love
I can see the SCO press release now: "Linus Torvalds admits he is 'a bit ashamed' regarding our copyrighted code".
I'm sorry this whole SCO thing is starting to come to its inevitable, and glorious end.
Yes, I wrote that right, I'm sorry.
Its been a heck of a lot of fun bashing SCO. Now that Linus himself is back-hand slapping the shit out of them in a most satisfyingly public style, I can only think- what about next month, next year? By then folks, we'll have no SCO. It'll only be Microsoft and IBM/SUN (on alternating Thursdays) to bash around.
SCO-y, we hardly knew ye
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
...and I pronounce SCO as "Bullshit."
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
IBM Attorney: "We would like to present as exhibit 128 the letter SCO recently sent to the Fortune 1000. Note how they threaten huge financial liability while claiming ownership of the most basic, internationally standardized, publically available C header files, some practically identical form of which has been present in every modern operating system and software development platform for over a decade, and several of which are freely published in first-year programming textbooks."
Mr. Boies: "I object!"
Judge: "And why is that, Mr. Boies?"
Mr. Boies: "Because it's devastating to my case, your honor!"
include $sig;
1;
Linus is setting SCO up for something similar
Yeah, Linus foresaw this whole fiasco 12 years ago and deliberately wrote crappy, thread-unsafe, fragile macros just so he could point back to them now.
Linus is setting SCO up for something similar
The bomb?
Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
...that Linus just crafted a well-organized, thorough, LOGICAL explanation.
Someone tell me what good we expect that to do with SCO? Isn't that a little bit like selling make-up to an orc?
Chicks dig my good /. karma.
Ahh... That must explain why it is found under /usr/src/linux/include/linux/ctype.h
Wait for it....
DUMBASS.
If we are going to stand up in front of the world with a holier-than-thou attitude...The standards are somewhat lower for having a holier-than-SCO attitude.
CO can't exactly claim the codes were under some form of encryption...
<Darl McBride>Not encrypted? Then why are they called codes? Any manager can see that. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must buy up my stock.</Darl McBride>
Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
I wonder if the other ones quit?
Well, the new job listing in your link, for the "Director of Financial Reporting" position (posted 12/08/03), does seem to be missing one important detail under "Job Responsibilities".
I don't see "Serving as scapegoat during inevitable corporate collapse." Do you think that's what they mean by "Additional special projects will be given on an 'as occurring' basis?"
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
we should all take a deep breath, sit back, and have a sco juice
Not really. Do the math: On 32-bit machines, there are more than 4 billion possibilities for both upper and lower limits. That means that the odds of picking the same limits that SCO's innovators did are less than 1 in 10^19. Clearly, $3 Billion in damages wouldn't begin to make up for this kind of blatant copying; it's less than 1 billionth of one dollar for each non-infringing alternative set of limits.
I feel like I'm watching some sort of play by play here. As Linus enumerates the various header files, I'm poppin' 'em into vim or emacs (or pico.. whatever mood strikes) and walking through them.
Shit... a few more weeks of these ridiculous SCO claims and maybe I'll know enough about the kernel to become a Linux hacker. Laugh if you will, but I didn't know anymore about C than the data types and basic syntax before this crap started. I've learned all sorts of neat stuff since then!
Thanks SCO! You've taught me in 9 months what I wouldn't let 4 years of college education beat into my thick skull!
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Point taken. I to think I went to all that trouble hauling out the ISO document to quote the relevent parts but ignored the obvious point that isdigit() is a macro
Gotta love this:
.Net was introduced only about a year and a half ago. What "Web Technologies" do they want? CGI scripting!? Out of a Java programmer?!
Proficient in Java technologies or Microsoft.Net
7+ years in Web technologies
Lemme see. Java servlets were introduced in 1998. That was a mere 5 years ago.
Javascript + Nintendo DSi = DSiCade
In more other news, SCO sues the Catholic Church for infringing SCO's copyrights and patents through unlawful reproduction and distribution of the Holy Bible. According to SCO CEO Darl McBride, the Bible contains over 1 million verses copied illegally from SCO intellectual property.
In yet more other news... oh I give up.
Linus used the word "the" in his analysis. I believe that word was stolen from the SCO letter to the 1000 customers, and clearly was not an original work on Linus' part. I hope he doesn't have to answer challenges from the lawyers on this one. Oh wait, I used "the".... damn...
Through all this madness everyone thinks that SCO is against Linux. In reality this is the boost that Linux needed to get it's name out there to really start to get big. Maybe Darl gave up on his UNIX and decided to give Linux a hand up.....
Well, I can dream can't I?
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But really, Darl isn't half the guitarist the Keith Richards is...
On the other hand, from reading his press releases, I think he might be taking even more drugs than the Keith.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Yes, Linus wrote most of it. But they included errno.h was because of
/* This does not make sense */
#define ENOSENSE 169
which was, of course, written by Chewbacca. They didn't want to give away their defense strategy, so they threw in the FUD in hopes people would not notice they are using the Chewbacca Strategy.
[...] what about next month, next year? By then folks, we'll have no SCO. It'll only be Microsoft and IBM/SUN (on alternating Thursdays) to bash around.
Don't sweat it. Somebody else will screw up badly enough to give us a third target. B-)
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actually, that would explain a lot.
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Proficient in Java technologies or Microsoft.Net
7+ years in Web technologies
Lemme see. Java servlets were introduced in 1998. That was a mere 5 years ago.
Back in '97 a programmer friend of mine looking for work showed me a job ad asking for people with at least 5 years experience with Windows 95.
Its a conspiracy I tell you, they're trying to catch careless time travellers...
You can't take the sky from me...
/. doesn't need its own dedicated personals
section on the day pigs and cows can fly, SCO
has let out something which holds basic BS test
and your regular geek can bed a Victoria's secret
model.
We get signal.h
...horrible!! You're just lucky I couldn't work a
:)~
main(){
screen_turn(on)
"make --ur time.c" in
You're assuming the parent is serious, which the're most likely not. ;-)
I was 5 inches away from trying united linux. When I saw SCO group as part of the distribution, I shut the web browser, the monitor, the computer... and threw it out the window.
Thanks to SCO, I should sue them for leading me on such a rage.
So Darl McBride claims to have a Linux expert that can rebut the assertion that Linus has hard evidence that the disputed files were written by him in the form of those actual files, archived in a Linux tarball that is mirrored the world over.
Well, all I can say is, if SCO can do that, then they deserve to win this case; we can all celebrate their victory by building snowforts in Hell.
Jay (=
>deliberately wrote crappy, thread-unsafe, fragile
>macros just so he could point back to them now.
So *that's* why you're supposed to do that....
Come on Linus, admit it, there is SCO code in your programs, I've checked and confirmed everything.
"iostream.h" is in there, along with "string.h" and "iomanip.h." These are just a few of the headers that can easily be found many SCO programs.
Save the Open Source community now by admitting to this before Microsoft comes after us for using their patented 1's and 0's in binary. What then Linus, WHAT THEN!?
What idiot would buy 100 shares of SCOX for 4 cents? I've got better things to do with my money.
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Nah.. He didn't quit. He was fired because he wouldn't lie..
Quit playing Monopoly with Bill.
Linux - of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Man, he's even better than we all thought... ;)
Collaborative effort... Hmm... Grep for F**K and B**GER especially in the sparc tree. In btw, it will be intresting if SCO claims infringment in these files on the basis of similar comments. It will be the biggest possible ROFL of the year.
Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
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Actually, I think the SCO strategy is just lying about everything and hoping everyone is too stupid to realize it.
... They have started throwing those pencils, but they are not pencils, they are booby traps to kill the children."
I think we should follow their lead.
"NO. We have retaken the Unix source code. There are NO SCO execs there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"
"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Utah and the SCO headquarters have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."
"We are not afraid of SCO. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."
"We have destroyed 50 Unix machines today. That 5-ohhh tanks" [while holding up his fingers]
"I am not talking about the Utah people, I am talking about those mercenaries.
"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a whole Operating System source code? Who is really under siege now? vmsystem.h cannot be besieged. ctype.h cannot be besieged. kernel.h cannot be besieged."
There. I feel our public support growing already.
It's been a long time.
But they do such a good job of it themselves.