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Earth Travel On Time, Again

burgburgburg writes "The NY Times has an interesting article about a rather puzzling phenomena: for the fifth year in a row, the Earth's travel through space is right on time. The rate that the Earth travels through space has slowed ever so slightly for millenia. To compensate for this, since 1972, scientists have added a "leap second" at the end of each year. The problem: Since 1999, the Earth has been on time. The recognition of a need for a leap second was an unintended consequence of the invention of the atomic clock. Suggested reasons for the unexpected punctuality: the tides, weather and changes in the Earth's core."

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  1. It's Obvious by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Earth knows that we're watching now, so it's taking extra care to be punctual...

    1. Re:It's Obvious by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      The Earth knows that we're watching now, so it's taking extra care to be punctual...

      Damn, and I _just_ bought that stinking atomic clock so I could be the most precise on the block and I'm going to be off by a freaking second now! I couldn't be happy with the Bart Simpson watch from Burger King...

      It's a tough life being an ubergeek.

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    2. Re:It's Obvious by Squareball · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it's now on time. So that rules out it being a woman. ;)

    3. Re:It's Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it knows where it's going, so that rules out it being a man. ;)

    4. Re:It's Obvious by wackysootroom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On a more serious note, maybe were seeing the Quantum Zeno effect on a global scale.

    5. Re:It's Obvious by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is just running in circles and won't stop to ask directions. So it is masculine.

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    6. Re:It's Obvious by pyr0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Small enough to only account for a single second out of an entire year perhaps?

  2. All wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Suggested reasons for the unexpected punctuality: the tides, weather and changes in the Earth's core.

    No. God just likes to screw with us.

    1. Re:All wrong... by notyou2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. God just likes to screw with us.

      NO... God just likes to *fuck* with us.

  3. Full Text of Article by Mindragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Scientists: Earth Travel Time on Schedule Scientists Say Earth Is on Schedule in Regards to Rate at Which It Travels Through Space

    The Associated Press

    BOULDER, Colo. Dec. 30 -- In a phenomenon that has scientists puzzled, the Earth is right on schedule for a fifth straight year. Experts agree that the rate at which the Earth travels through space has slowed ever so slightly for millennia. To make the world's official time agree with where the Earth actually is in space, scientists in 1972 started adding an extra "leap second" on the last day of the year.

    For 28 years, scientists repeated the procedure. But in 1999, they discovered the Earth was no longer lagging behind.

    At the National Institute for Science and Technology in Boulder, spokesman Fred McGehan said most scientists agree the Earth's orbit around the sun has been gradually slowing for millennia. But he said they don't have a good explanation for why it's suddenly on schedule.

    Possible explanations include the tides, weather and changes in the Earth's core, he said.

    The leap second was an unexpected consequence of the 1955 invention of the atomic clock, which use the electromagnetic radiation emanated by Cesium atoms to measure time. It is extremely reliable.

    Atomic-based Coordinated Universal Time was implemented in 1972, superseding the astronomically determined Greenwich Mean Time.

    Leap seconds can be a big deal, affecting everything from communication, navigation and air traffic control systems to the computers that link global financial markets.

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    1. Re:Full Text of Article by big-magic · · Score: 4, Informative
      The latest atomic clock that NIST is currently building will have a frequency uncertainty of 1 x 10^(-15). Since this is many orders of magnitude more precise than necessary to detect the need for a leap second, I highly doubt this is a problem with the many atomic clocks around the world.

      I got this value from the web site for the Time and Frequency division of NIST.

    2. Re:Full Text of Article by jaxdahl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is the Earth's *rotation* slowing or speeding up at all, though?

      Let's do some math and see how big of a distance difference a leap second is. Rough estimate of 93 million miles on average for r. 2*pi*r = 584,309,935 miles for the circumference of the orbit -- assuming a circular orbit. 60*60*24*365.25 = 31557600 seconds on average per year. circumeference/seconds ~= 18 miles. Interesting. But hardly seems like much.

  4. On time? by snevig · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmmm... don't think that'll help my procrastination.

  5. If we all run in one direction fast enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... we can speed it back up again.

    Let's do it!

  6. Slightly more informative story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  7. Next on Tom's Hardware - OC'ing the earth by xC0000005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We decided that for a change this holiday we'd work on big iron - the earth. Using polar cap cooling and using two atoms instead of one in the atomic clock, we managed to accelerate the earth by 1 second. System is perfectly stable. Except in California. And Iran.

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    1. Re:Next on Tom's Hardware - OC'ing the earth by xC0000005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's running WindowsGE (geological edition). When you get a protection fault in the pacific, folks in Japan get the BWOD (blue wave of death). This was fixed in later revisions (code named Mars) Mars has no oceans, and hence no BWOD, but probe() calls tend to hang or crash on it.

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  8. clueless reporter by cyberman11 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/leapsec.html leap seconds compensate for changes in the earths rotational speed not the earths orbital speed.

    1. Re:clueless reporter by jim3e8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's true... an earlier poster noted there was a more informative NIST article, which it turns out also refers to rotational speed, not orbital speed.

  9. It's Because the Moon is Gone by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't you guys remember back in 1999 when the moon blasted out of earth's orbit? That would probably explain the change.

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  10. Physics for the rest of us by Sean80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK so help me out here. Pardon the pun, but how on earth do they figure out that the earth is in the exact same position as it was a 'year' ago? Do they use the background of stars, or some other mechanism? How can they reduce the error in such a measurement so that they can be sure that a second has been 'lost'?

    1. Re:Physics for the rest of us by utahjazz · · Score: 5, Funny

      how on earth do they figure out that the earth is in the exact same position as it was a 'year' ago? Do they use the background of stars, or some other mechanism?

      Duh. They use GPS.

    2. Re:Physics for the rest of us by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Duh. They use GPS."

      I really hope that was sarcasm...

      Why? GPS is great for this.

      The length of each day has typically been 2-3 milliseconds longer than the day before. And the equatorial rotational velocity is 1670 km/hr. That means that at midnight, a point on the equator can be 90-130 cm away from where it was at midnight on the night before. After a week, the apparent motion is 7-10 meters, and after a year of this, you've moved 300-500 meters due to changes in rotational velocity. That's very noticeable.

      The only thing that GPS directly measures is the exact location of a receiver relative to orbiting satellites. It doesn't know anything about the rotational position of the earth itself beneath your feet. So GPS has to be continually calibrated so that stationary receivers at fixed points on the earth's surface don't appear to be slowly drifting. The apparent position of a fixed reference receiver is uploaded to the satellites as a correction or else any stationary GPS receiver would show a very noticeable drift as the weeks went by and people would notice. It should be trivial to calculate the drift (and the necessity of a leap second) based on the necessary GPS corrections that had to be made during the year.

    3. Re:Physics for the rest of us by mdw2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >The length of each day has typically been 2-3 milliseconds longer than the day before.

      then by your logic in 5600 a day will be ~25 hours, which will leave us with 350 days a year, basically a bunch of februaries.

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    4. Re:Physics for the rest of us by NoData · · Score: 2, Informative


      The "punctuality" they're referring to (and the "leap second" correction) have to do with the rotational speed (length of a day) of the earth, not its speed of revolution around the sun (which leap days correct for).

    5. Re:Physics for the rest of us by Scott+Ransom · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Earth's rotation is referenced to quasars at cosmological distances from us. Since they are so far away, they are for all intents and purposes located at fixed positions on the sky (unlike many nearby stars which show parallax and proper motion over the course of a year or more). The postions are measured using radio VLBI (Very Long Baseline Interferometry) that can provide astrometric positions on the sky to better than a milli-arcsecond.

      For more info, browse here: http://hpiers.obspm.fr

      Note: IAAA (I am an astronomer)

    6. Re:Physics for the rest of us by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, that was a bad way of phrasing it. The 2-3 milliseconds is the rate at which the lag between UTC (earth) and UT1 (astronomical) time increases per day, not the change in length of each day relative to the last. The rest of what I said is still valid.

    7. Re:Physics for the rest of us by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Insightful


      You're assuming that the GPS satellites don't orbit at the exact same speed of the spin speed of the Earth; you're assuming that they in fact orbit a little faster than the Earth--that they orbit at a speed that is the exact same as the length of an ideal day.

      I don't know which speed they orbit at, but it's not hard to think that they orbit exactly as fast as the Earth spins, so they don't need to be corrected as you mention. I would be interested to know which is true.

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    8. Re:Physics for the rest of us by Scott+Ransom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, GPS satellites are in high-Earth orbits, but are lower (closer) than satellites in geosync orbits. Their orbital period is about 12 hours and is therefore not even close to the rotational period of the Earth.

    9. Re:Physics for the rest of us by shaitand · · Score: 2, Informative

      Leap seconds have nothing to do with orbit, and everything to do with corrections due to the speed of the earth's rotation. Read the NIST article, the reporter who wrote the one posted on slashdot is clueless.

  11. this sucks by G27+Radio · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really could have used that extra second of sleep after partying late on new years eve.

  12. It's funny... by shagoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    before the atomic clock the Earth was always on time.

    It's good to know that the fudge factor isn't always necessary too, what with a leap second occurring every year at some point the slop has to be soaked up in the system. Were the powers that be planning to save up a leap day? If they had, where would they have put it? Frankly, just letting the extra second add onto the end of the year and letting 43200 years swap noon and midnight would have been an interesting social experiment. Assuming mankind hasn't destroyed itself by then, of course.

    1. Re: It's funny... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


      > before the atomic clock the Earth was always on time.

      Maybe we should set it 5 minutes fast, to allow a little extra time.

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  13. The article is wrong, should be rotation by Thagg · · Score: 5, Informative

    The leap second is added to compensate for the slowing in earth's rotation, not its motion around the sun.

    It is somewhat odd that the rotation has stopped slowing down. Some have speculated that as more and larger dams are built, creating large lakes far from the equator, that there's a net movement of mass closer to the axis -- causing the earth's rotation to increase in speed slightly.

    On the other hand, global warming and the melting icecaps and warming oceans should move mass away from the axis, slowing down rotation.

    It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years. I'd be curious if there's any relationship between the non-slowing of the earth's rotation and the decrease in the earth's magnetic field, mentioned in Slashdot a couple of weeks ago.

    thad

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    1. Re:The article is wrong, should be rotation by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Other way round. If an ice cap melts, it will release water into the ocean. Generally speaking this is away from the axis of rotation (think: the geographical poles) Overall this should mean more mass further from the axis of rotation, hence slower rotation (conservation of momentum).
      On the other hand, if we have the ice caps growing, there should be more mass closer to the axis of rotation, and through the same principal, the Earth should rotate faster.
      Of course, I would tend to question how much of an affect the the melting or growth of ice caps has on the Earth. Consider that all of the ice in the world is a very small fraction of the total mass of the Earth. Technically, if all of it became concentrated at the poles or equator there may be a mesurable difference, but I seriously doubt it would amount to a 1 second difference in rotational speed throughout the year. But then, I've not bothered to do the math, so I could be wrong.

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  14. Bad for United by KFury · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now there's one less excuse the airlines can claim for why my flight was late.

  15. Reminds me of the classic "if all Chinese jumped.. by pflodo · · Score: 2

    If all the chinese jumped off a chair at once, would it affect the earth? Original answer from StraightDope is here

  16. Smaller Rotational Intertia? by KFury · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now that we've established that the article mistakenly talked about annual rotation instead of daily rotation, it seems plausable that a smaller rotational intertia is to credit.

    If the core settled down even a tiny bit, so heavier elements rested slightly closer to the core, the planet's axial rotation would speed up like an ice skater pulling in their arms.

    Alternatively, the wearing down of mountains (buildings?) could have the same effect.

    If the Earth is speeding up, perhaps the terrorists have already won.

    Maybe that's why they're all carrying almanacs!

  17. good point by G27+Radio · · Score: 2, Funny

    I really should've taken the optimistic view that I'd feel better new year's morning from not spending as much time partying the previous night.

  18. 0.1 second irregularity and Modern Time Standards by thanasakis · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a very comprehensive reference of currently used time standards over at wolfram research site. It came up yesterday while I was trying to figure out the difference between Universal Time (UT) and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). In the last link I believe you will find that "Earth's rotation is irregular at the 0.1 second level" along with a diagram of the errors so far.

  19. Ha Ha! FART Strikes Again by Roofus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm the leader of a Terrorist organization known as FART. Over the past few years Fuck Anal Retentive Timekeepers (FART) has led millions of disenfranchised Timex employees in a quest to change time! Yes, every morning and night (corresponding with sunrise and sunset), we face our asses westward and let our flatulence fly!

    It's good to see our efforts to fuck with those atomic timekeeping twits succeeding!

  20. here is a plot of the length of day by at10u8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The IERS has a plot showing how the length of day has decreased over the past few years. Curiously, the current phase of accelerated rotation of the crust began right around the time we started adding leap seconds to UTC.

  21. Do atomic clocks keep perfect time? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me that physicists assume that their atomic clocks keep perfect time. But what if they don't? What if some key physical constants are changing in our neck of the universe. As an engineer I have found that most physical constants aren't (everything is a function of everything, its just an matter of the coefficient). In the case of the atomic clocks, a change of only 32 parts per billion would change the timebase by one second per year. Perhaps a particularly large, long-wavelength gravity wave has stretched spacetime and changed the clocks? Perhaps the four fundamental forces oscillate in undiscovered ways?

    IANAP, so perhaps a professional could explain why the atomic clocks must be right -- why a 32 ppb variation in them is impossible (i.e. would manifest itself in other more obvious ways).

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    1. Re:Do atomic clocks keep perfect time? by at10u8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, and physicists physicists do admit that they are not perfect. They also have a plan to use pulsars to see just how imperfect the atomic clocks are.

    2. Re:Do atomic clocks keep perfect time? by fermion · · Score: 2, Informative
      I not a real physicist, but here is my guess. Physical constants are constant within our ability to measure them. The one big exception is the speed of light in a vacuum, which is fixed by convention and we call it 'c'. 'c' is in fact a ratio of that what we call distance and what we call time. Every other basic constant is measured and the number reported is out best guess with the best estimate of the error. The constant appear to be fixed within our ability to measure them.

      We count seconds by counting the transition between the hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom. We take any handy cesium atoms, count about 9 billions transitions, or actually the radiation from them, and call that a second. We build a machine to do the counting, increment, and we have a very accurate clock. We take some other arbitrary cesium atoms, build the same machine, and find another good match. In fact over time the scientists who do this thing think that all these clocks match to better than 1 part in a trillion That means that there is not going to be a meaningful difference in the measurements of an experiment of normal duration. Over the course of the year, perhaps a millionth of a second.

      In fact our second is not fixed. As we have more accurate ways to measure a second, the standard is updated. The new standard is as closes a possible to the old one, but not exactly the same.

      As far as whether constants are changing, I think we have no real way of knowing that. In the spirit of science, the simplest explanation is accepted as the best explanation. In this case, the clocks are accurate and constant, and the earth has a slight variation in it's mechanics. Whether this explanation is 'the truth' is left to the philosophers. Assuming that constants are different in different parts of the universe or that constants are varying below out ability to measure them is an unnecessary complexity wrt the measurement of time. There are people who research these things, but only to make sure everyone else it kept honest. When the discover a constant that is not constant, they will let us know.

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    3. Re:Do atomic clocks keep perfect time? by belloc · · Score: 2, Funny

      They also have a plan to use pulsars to see just how imperfect the atomic clocks are.

      Terrific. So how do they check the pulsars? Or is it just turtles all the way down?

      Belloc

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    4. Re:Do atomic clocks keep perfect time? by dublin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They also have a plan to use pulsars to see just how imperfect the atomic clocks are.

      Terrific. So how do they check the pulsars? Or is it just turtles all the way down?


      Ultimately, it's *always* turtles all the way down when it comes to measurements. Sooner or later, you have to pick *something* and say, "This is my standard against which all things are measured." Sadly, we have (and can have) no truly absolute metrics of physical quantities against which to measure. Witness continual redefinitions of basic SI units over the past few centuries for a perfect example...

      Tha atomic cesium clocks are the standard because they are *believed* to be the most reliable timekeepers we have. But they may well be inconsistent, and subject to many vagaries in their regularity: quantum fluctations, distortions of space-time causing local compressions or expansions of time itself, or Vietnamese hegemony in Southeast Asia - we just don't know.

      In fact, we *can't* know, so we pick something, and hope it's good enough, vainly hoping that in this small way, man really can be the measure of all things...

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  22. SOHO at the L1 Lagrange point? by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a thought and I know it's a miniscule mass by comparrison but we have sent some of Earth's mass to the Earth Sun L1 lagrange point which should slightly speed our orbit shouldn't it. The dates may coincide, it was launched in 95 but when it reached it's current orbit is unclear, some time towards the end of 1998 seems to be when some the instruments were first switched on. The on orbit dry mass of SOHO is 1350 kg.

    So how about some back of the envelope calculations. How much mass at the Earth Sun L1 Lagrange point would it take to influence our orbit by one second per year?

    I fully expect to be out by several orders of magnitude but can anyone answer?

    1. Re:SOHO at the L1 Lagrange point? by Aglassis · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Kepler's Third Law: the orbital period, T, and the semimajor axis, a are related by

      T^2/a^3 = 4 * pi^2 / ( G * M),

      where M is the mass of the Sun. Neglecting the gravitational attraction between the L1 mass and the earth (the L1 mass will be pulling the earth while its position remains constant since its pull towards earth is balance out by the pull toward the Sun), no change in Earth's mass will change its orbital period.

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  23. Re:0.1 second irregularity and Modern Time Standar by at10u8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The World of Astronomy site at Wolfram.com is a bit out of date and does not include the most recent changes in time scales. I recommend this page which describes the history of various time scales.

  24. The Core? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought they fixed that core problem a few years back by blowing the shit out of it with a bunch of nukes! I saw a documentary on this recently.

  25. Re:It's those d*mned Republicans! by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 4, Funny

    You got it backwards. The "leap second" was needed because the Earth *was* taking a little longer. For some reason it has stopped being slow by a second. If anything, its the Democrats trying to get Bush out of office a little sooner.

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  26. It's a conspiracy and Bush is responsible by jp93023 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Learn all about it at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=show_topics&forum=104

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  27. Required Mass Movement for 1 sec/year by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One second per year is about 32 parts per billion. Changing the rotation of the Earth by that amount could be accomplished by moving approximately 8260 cubic miles of "Earth" (i.e., material with the same average density as the planet) from the equator to the poles. Moving the material to the mid-latitudes would require moving more material to create the same rotational speed change. For example, we could move about 28,000 cubic miles of Earth from the equator to the 45 degree latitude belt.

    28,000 cubic miles of Earth seems like a lot until you spread it out around the Earth. If it were removed from a 1000 mile wide band around the equator, it would be only 6 feet thick. But this still seems like a lot to me because it would have to include changing the mean sea level by 6 feet too and this would be very detectable from orbiting altimeters such as TOPEX.

    Hmmm.... Either I've done these calculations incorrectly, or a great deal of material has been moved, or somebody hasn't published their data on changes in the planet's shape.

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  28. Already 1st week of 2004 by ralatalo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Kind of funny to read this the same day that I had to tell a customer that his program is reporting today is start of 2004 because he asked for 'week based year'

    which is the year that this week falls into, and according to ISO standards the 1st week of the new year is the week that contains the first thursdays in the new year.....

    so welcome to week 1 of 2004

  29. It's all about tides and the core by localroger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are two major effects going here. The first is the presence of the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. Tides drag on the Earth and slow its rotation. This is a relatively constant effect that is not going to change any time soon, for any reason, ever.

    Tidal slowing is also magnitudes more important than anything you'd see from mountain building, earthquakes, or any other surface phenomenon. The earth is BIG. But tides take out a LOT of energy. Tides are the major reason the Earth's rotational period slows over geological time.

    So right now, the Earth is not slowing; this must mean a shorter-acting phenomenon is supplying the rotational energy that the tides normally suck out. Again, there is only one thing big enough -- turbulence in the Earth's liquid core. Like the Earth itself the core is BIG so little changes in the fluid flow there can actually affect the Earth noticeably, and that flow is known to be chaotic -- because the magnetic field caused by that flow reverses periodically.

    My money would be on a near-term magnetic field polarity reversal. Of course "near term" probably still means it will be ten thousand years before it's a problem. Sucks to be a man-made satellite, though, especially when flying over the South Atlantic, an area where the Earth's magnetic field is already starting to do strange things.

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  30. Rotational Kinetic Energy by Michael.Forman · · Score: 2, Interesting


    If the Earth is assumed to be a homogeneous sphere and the rotational axis is assumed to be the straight line passing through the north and south geographic poles, the moment of inertia of the Earth is I = MR^2 where M is the total mass of the Earth and R is its radius. The kinetic energy of a rotating Earth is given by K = 1/2 I w^2, where w is the angular velocity.

    The energy associated with a 1-second shorter-than-expected day is equivalent to an extra 1.6e22 Joules of energy or 40 times the annual energy consumption of mankind (DoE 1999). The matlab script is here.

    Michael.

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  31. A different God? by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I suppose Jupiter sacked Atlas for his continual tardiness and the new God is still all gung ho about the promotion to the new job. Eventually he'll get tired too...

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  32. Another Possible Reason: by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Global dimming.

    To slow down in its orbit, it has to get farther from the sun (otherwise it'd fall in closer to the sun, and it doesn't).

    Light can exert pressure. That's the idea behind solar sails.

    The sun has put out 3% less light per decade for the last 50 years. It may have been pushing the Earth farther out, and with less light now, it's not.

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    1. Re:Another Possible Reason: by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Informative

      First, I believe "Global Dimming" refers to less visible light reaching the planet's surface, independent of any variation in the Sun's output. This is thought to be due to an increase in airborne particulates. I'd have to check, but I think average solar output has been relatively constant over the last 50 years. If solar output dropped 15.9% in 50 years, (as your 3%/decade number suggests), we'd all be popsicles by now.

      Second, I'm pretty sure that the Earth is too massive for reemission of solar radiation to generate enough thrust to cause a 1 second per year change in our orbit.

      Third, if the suggested causes involve changes in the Earth's core, the article is probably referring to changes in the length of the day (the Earth's period of rotation), and not the length of the year. I can think of no way, short of ejection of significant mass at escape velocity, that the Earth's core could affect the planet's orbit in any way.

  33. Re:No more Feb 29th? by TheF00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Leap year has nothing to do with with leap seconds. Leap seconds are added due due to the slowing of the earths rotational rate. A leap year occurs when an extra day is added because the earth doesn't orbit the sun at exactly 365 days. Its 365.25... so every four years a extra day is added to keep the calender in sync. A leap second however only keeps the clock in sync.

  34. Re:27 years. good statistical sample.... by Rick.C · · Score: 3, Funny
    there wansn't any mention of dooms day

    We here at HaulmarkCards.com think about Dooms Day a lot. An awful lot. We've been trying to come up with some catchy verses and clever phrases for a new line of Dooms Day greeting/sympathy cards. We have three problems:

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    3. Well, gosh! We just don't know how to "read" the public on this whole Dooms Day issue. We don't want to come off all tacky with something like, "Life was Swell, See you in Hell!" Then again "Best wishes for a Brighter Tomorrow" just doesn't give us that warm fuzzy glow that your granny has come to expect from Haulmark Cards.

    So we're asking you, the movers and shakers in the feel-good arena to offer up some suggestions. (In keeping with our policy of not paying for anything, these would be considered free-as-in-"free advice".)

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  35. Earth orientation and the leap second by p_trekkie · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone pointed out earlier, the article is incorrect, and a leap second is based on the slowing of earth's rotation.

    The dominant force behind the slowing is "tidal braking" from the moon. Basically, just as the moon exerts forces on the ocean, the ocean exerts forces on the moon. As a result, the moon is getting thrown gradually into higher and higher orbits because of force from the earth. The energy has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is earth's rotational inertia.

    Leap seconds were implemented as a result of branch of astronomy known as earth orientation. Basically, Earth Orientation is astronomy backwards. By looking at distant quasars constantly and monitoring atomic clocks, astronomers can see minute changes in earth's rotation. Quasars are observed because they are bright (in the radio part of the spectrum) and are far enough away that any physical motion over time would be negligible in the night sky. Correcting for leap seconds and other rotational issues like precession and nutation allows for the accurate functioning of GPS.

    For more information, check out USNO's Earth orientation web site

  36. its not perfect by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Informative

    but they know the error rate and its extremely low. They measure the particle count of cesium or some other radioactive material and the official time is an average of all atomic clocks.

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  37. Intercalation, Calendar Calibration, Leap Seconds by HopeOS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently had to implement code to convert terrestrial time (TT) to martian solar day (MSD). Some interesting tidbits in that research follow.

    As you might guess, the extra days in leap years help keep our calendars synchronized with our actual position about the sun (heliocentric longitude). This is called intercalation, and the general rules governing the gregorian calendar cover 400 year periods. Other methods exist which are in a sense more "accurate," but less useful for predicting future dates. Fortunately, the earth is pretty regular in its movement around the sun.

    The 0 degree mark for heliocentric longitude occurs at the vernal equinox, an event that can be easily determined from earth, and has been for centuries. In the Iranian calendar, the new year begins on the day of the vernal equinox. Since this event occurs later in the day each year, eventually an extra day must be added. Such calendars are based on observation rather than rule-based model and consequently are implicitly self-calibrating.

    Leap seconds, as pointed out, are an entirely different beast, and are meant to shore up the discrepency between our actual rotation and the atomic clocks we use. The current offset is 22 seconds slow officially. Oddly enough, a NASA document from 1997 uses a value of 63 seconds as the offset between TT (terrestial time) and UTC (Greenwich Mean Time). Another from 2000 shows a 32.184 second offset from TT to TIA (atomic). It doesn't exactly correlate or add up, and I'm not precisely sure why that is. Perhaps someone could enlighten me on the matter.

    Curiously, our leap years follow the mathematical model while our leap seconds follow the observation method of calibration. Consequently, you can determine the correct date in the future, but not the correct second.

    -Hope

  38. Re:Reminds me of the classic "if all Chinese jumpe by Bagels · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Something like this was actually tested with a large group of English schoolchildren, I believe; it made a small blip on the Richter scale, but certainly nothing noticable. Fun, but as the StraightDope article says, fairly silly and pointless, as the effects can be estimated fairly easily with some physics.

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  39. Marching soldiers/oscillating bridge ( javaapplet) by pflodo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which is why soldiers march out of step over bridges, interesting java applet showing why.

  40. Lots of long words... by HopeOS · · Score: 5, Informative

    A simpler explanation for those who got lost in the long words.

    Each day, the sun rises and sets a little more to the north or little more to the south depending on the season. The days of the year where the sun reaches the most north or most south are solstices. When the sun crosses the middle, they're equinoxes. The official "spring equinox" is when the sun crosses the middle moving north. If you were to call that the first day of the year and beginning counting days, you will total up 365 days between equinoxes. After about four years of that though, you'll be off by one, so you'll need to add an extra day. This is called "intercalation."

    One could make a rule to add an extra day every four years, but after 100 years or so, they would be foward one day too many. Skip the 100th year, and after 400 years, they'd be 1 day behind. The rule as it stands is every fourth year, except years ending in '00, plus every 400th year. Easy enough, but still not quite right.

    Because the rule is not quite right, it will never be perfectly accurate. But if you follow the rule exactly, you can tell that January 1, 1601 was Monday for instance. You can also tell exactly how many days are between now and January 1, 2400 because you know which years are leap years.

    The method of watching the sun and adding leap years as necessary is a great way to stay exactly on time, but really inconvenient if you need to predict exactly how every year will fall for the next 100 years or so.

    Some people say so what, just live. Who cares if your birthday in 20 years is on a Tuesday. Tax collectors care... Money lenders care... Hallmark greeting cards cares... Calendar makers care... The Vatican cares... So we use the 400 year rule and call it the Gregorian Calendar. It works well enough.

    As for TT, UT, UTC, TIA, ET, and a number of other time standards, well... the important thing is that we're now using very accurate clocks for counting seconds and we've determined that the earth does not spin all the way around in exactly 24 hours no matter how closely we've measured it. In fact, it had slowed down for awhile and now seems to have gotten back up to speed.

    We determine the difference between the atomic clock and the earth by watching the stars go by, and after spinning, spinning, spinning, we watch the atomic clock and the sky, and if it doesn't come out just right, we assume the clocks are right and the earth is wrong. To make up the difference, we throw in an extra second once every 6 months as necessary. It hasn't been necessary since 1999 which was the crux of the article.

    -Hope

  41. Re:Intercalation, Calendar Calibration, Leap Secon by bar-agent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fortunately, the earth is pretty regular in its movement around the sun.

    Well, according to the article, the Earth has been having trouble with regularity.

    Anybody got any bran muffins?

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  42. Thank you, Mr. Bush! by louzerr · · Score: 2, Funny

    This could be just one more "boast" for the Bush campaign - "During my (usurped) presidency, not only did I fight terrorism, Sadam, and free markets, I also kept the world running on time!".

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  43. Strange days by t0ny · · Score: 3, Funny
    The rate that the Earth travels through space has slowed ever so slightly for millenia. To compensate for this, since 1972, scientists have added a "leap second" at the end of each year. The problem: Since 1999, the Earth has been on time.

    Well, everyone keeps saying the world moves faster these days. I guess they are right.

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