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Eight Biggest Tech Flops Ever
cuppm writes "Yahoo! News has an article on the The Eight Biggest Tech Flops Ever.
'What distinguishes a simply bad product from the truly awful? Sometimes it's a dreadful user interface. Other times it's a product that successfully addresses a particularly daunting problem - yet one shared by relatively few people. And often competitive or financial pressure forces new products to market before they're ready - full of bugs and horribly unusable. Still other times, the products arrive too early. Eventually they become a success, but often after the founding company has been ruined.'"
I didn't see Slashdot on there...
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(Not talking about the codec, but the Circuit City "rentable" DVD scheme) Easily a bigger flop than WebTV or the Clik drive.
Windows! Why isn't Windows on there? What other operating system almost brings down the Internet every month because it's hosting 129873 viruses? Bob didn't do that, and it made the list.
:) Hey that's catchy.
Shame on you, yahoo.
My other car is first.
The Clik! Drive is 40MB, not 40GB as the article states!
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meh
So the biggest tech flops all happened relatively recently and in america?
;-)
There is an easy solution to this lets not only stop using technology, not only from the USA, but from since the americas where discovered by modern europeans!
I'm blogging this right now on my own printing press and if anyone laughs I will get medieval on their arse (ass is such an americanism and is banned)
or alternativly we could find something better to do than look at year end reviews, year coming previews and over hyped journalistic endevours.
I can't wait for slashdot to leave the post holiday period and start getting good again
oh, and my fav techno flop is the Sinclair C5
blog and junk
I still use Dataplay. The sound quality on a dataplay disk is much higher than that of a CD.
Also, and most people don't know this, but if you run a green marker around the edge of the dataplay disk, the sound quality is even better.
The Cue Cat was a glorified privacy-invading bar code scanner that flopped in the markeplace (even though they gave away 1 million of these beasties). I still have 3 of these things given to me through various magazine subscriptions. If I ever find the time I will have to hack the cat.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Around 1997 or so, one of the biggest catchphrases was "push," the ability for companies to put whatever information they wanted (News, stocks, weather) on your computer. Microsoft even went as far as to develop an "Active Desktop" so that the content could be placed directly on the user's desktop. Too bad push just turned out to be a constantly refreshing webpage ("fetch" would have been a better term) which took forever to load on the day's 33.6 modems.
The World is Yours.
That's a pretty lame article.
:p
Some of the items on the list are flops, but the biggest 8--not hardly.
I'm sure that if we tried, we could come up with a better list of 8 flops..
Shit, OS/2 ain't even on the list. How about Taligent? Bill Gates himself said that Taligent was the one thing he worried about that ended up being absolutely nothing.
What about the Disney Sound Doohicky--It plugged into the parallel port, and gave some of the crappiest sound ever made on a computer.
The list certainly could have been better than that.
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Germanys System for automated colleting of autbahn tolls for trucks. Costs the german tax payer literally millions of EUR each month, has been set up by joint venture of Deutsche Telekom and Daimler Chrysler, meant to be working since '02, launched in Fall '03, failed, ETA '05!
Snafu all the way.....
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Iridium, one of Motorola's biggest all-time money losers. I think the DoD still has a contract with them though, even though their original concept (that of public market penetration) crashed and burned quite hard. The nifty air-droppable and instantly deployable solar satellite phonebooths they proposed for low-lying Africa and other places without appropriate infrastructure likewise didn't come into being, as far as I know.
The biggest FLOPS can be found here.
As a long-time Apple, I have to disagree. Forbes magazine, one of the United States' foremost authorities on technology, named iTunes Music Store its Product of the Year for 2003. Now, I know several people who use Windows, and all of them are of the opinion that "if you can download it for free, then you should download it for free." This attitude is highly destructive to the intellectual property industry, and will only lead to such initiatives as "Trusted" Computing gaining a foothold.
To address you're so-called "complaints."
Frankly, I consider you little more than a troll. Run along, troll. Go beat rocks together, you sissy!
Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Long-Time Apple
I'm not Seth Finkelstein. I still speak the truth.
Having owned two of them in my life,(and still hacking away on one) I must disagree with at least part of the article. The PCjr was hardly the failure that the article makes it out to be. Sure, it came with a puny 128k, ONE 5 1/4 drive and crappy keyboard (which they later replaced with something a little more legit). But at least it was a PC...sorta...it had color, it could play a lot of PC games, which was very important to me as a twelve year old and most important of all, a 300 baud internal modem that started me on this road of nerdom. The article is just plain wrong in referencing the Audrey as a failure. I have two of them hooked into my network. They're picture frames, mp3 players, message boards (complete with cool blinking lights, and caller IDs. How cool is something like that in you kitchen with a touch screen? Best of all it runs QNX. 'Nuff said. Okay, I gotta agree with the other six, although the thought of browsing some porn on my tv sounds pretty neat.
The funny thing is that many of these failures could probably be predicted. What makes them "big" is that they had the backing of bodies who could afford to spend so much money on them before concluding that their projects have failed!
Gee, let me think. First the problem is that their business model is all messed up. How can we reasonably be expected to buy CDs from stores when all we want to do is listen to them on the computer and there's no digital retailer set up?
Now that companies are finally moving on it, the problem is that it doesn't meet our exact specifications, and instead of trying to work with them we continue to pirate. Hmm, sounds like somebody wants a half-brained excuse to take a five-fingered discount.
Oh yeah, I forgot. They aren't technical.
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While the article was titled "Biggest Tech Flops" it clearly should have been title "Worst Tech Market Flops"
Marketing wise, Windows is the biggest success in the history of mankind. Bill Gates strategies and tactics, however illegal or immoral they might have been, led to the rise of this operating system over the much more powerful Macintosh of its day.
I know we all hate Microsoft, but as far as being a product that was marketed perfectly, windows gets that prize anyday.
This should be #1 IMHO. It far dwarfed the whole early pen based computing infatuation. Also ...
He breaks out MagicCap/Go seperately. Why? Throw in the Newton and a few others and just say that the early days of pen computing as a general purpose input device was a complete flop.
How about failed OS ventures. Pink, Taligent, Be, NeXT, OS/2, etc.
WebTV? It may have been a flop, but one of the biggest, I think not.
TransMeta anyone?
Windows version Lotus 1-2-3, it's failure helped to change the landscape of application isv's and helped to firmly root Office as defacto.
Apple Lisa/III. Nuff said.
PCJr, NOTHING compared to PS/2, the system that helped IBM lose the PC market.
The PCjr was a flop, but it's interesting how many advances it had that other computers would start using:
4-voice sound when most IBM-compatibles could only produce one sound at a time
16-color graphics when CGA (4 color) was standard
Video memory in system RAM - commonly used on many lower priced motherboards these days
Infrared wireless keyboard
Yeah, it was expensive and limited. But it also had some interesting advances.
--RJ
But they managed to be crushed by a combination of small and not even innovative companies: Microsoft and Intel.
This must be a troll, but I'll bite anyway (it's slow this morning). Sorry, but Apple ALWAYS played second fiddle to IBM/Microsoft in the "pc" market wrt market share.
Plus, even if your history weren't totally wrong, your premise is. Even if Apple went under today, the positive impact they had on the industry is far reaching and prevasive. Some of the particulars can be argued, but the fact is that computing in general is a better place thanks to Apple and therefore they can't be considered a "tech flop". After all, a "flop" doesn't last over 20years.
- WAP/UMTS
- Tablet PC
- AmigaOne
- Sun JavaDesktop
- Laserdisc
The "New" FAA AAS traffic control system - was going to replace the current system. MASSIVE amounts of money spent, 2.5 BILLION, where 1.5 BILLION of it had to be written off. About a billion of the development was salvaged by using the Display System Replacement
Folks - that 1.5 BILLION wasted
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Perhaps it wasn't the biggest flop, but Sony missed the chance at a huge media market share, and perhaps propping up their audio MiniDisc format, by not pushing the MD-ROM format harder. Imagine a disc smaller than a 3.5 inch floppy, holding a lot more than a Zip disk eventually would (MD-ROM preceded Iomega's Zip line), at a cheaper price per disc, with no click-of-death? The only one I ever saw was in a press release, but they claimed their small drive was low-power, and at the time, it would have been excellent for laptop use. Not to mention that you probably could have played the music format discs with it. Now, you can barely find any information on the format by Googling.
Get off my launchpad!
I think you are wrong. I think that people will start demanding quality when technology personally affects them. Anybody who I have ever demonstrated my Powerbook to has gone to Apple. The quality of the software and hardware is amazing for their laptops and the price is right too. Don't discount Apple - I think they are on the way up, not down.
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
Actually that was on an IBM commercial with Commander Sisko well before the 70's show. And it was a lot funnier, like everything the 70's show rips off.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yeah...cause Microsoft didn't advertise the service any longer! They bought it to kill it.
Had they advertised, WebTV would be ubiquitous. If people buy WebTV, they're not buying a computer...they avoid the MS tax, no sales of office. I can't believe they put WebTV on that list. There are many people out there that buy computers to access the internet only. What better device for a novice user than their TV? I'm not being a proponent for WebTV, I'm just saying that WebTV was taking off up until MS bought it, then nothing. No ads, nothing. They drove it into the ground on PURPOSE!
Shoddy shoddy journalism.
From Yahoo! Shopping:
- Apple iPod 20GB
- Nikon CoolPix 3100
- Nokia 3650
Odd, I really didn't consider those some of the biggest tech flops ever...
From the article:
... it was just too expensive to compete with either CDR or flash memory. The blanks alone cost around $10. Worse, the Clik drive was doomed by a problem with Iomega's popular Zip drives. Those devices had an annoying habit of spectacularly failing - taking a user's data along to the grave, as well. Before failing, the drives emitted an ominous clicking noise, quickly dubbed the "Click of Death." The Clik! drive didn't have the Click of Death, but it quickly followed the Zip drive into hell.
Iomega Clik! Drive: In 1999, just as recordable CDs started getting really cheap and popular, Iomega released its own proprietary way to write nearly 40 gigabytes of data to a removable disk.
Cheap shot I know but... $10 for a 40 gigabyte disc in 1999!? (These were of course 40 megabyte devices.)
But the actual thing I wanted to say was: I wonder why the author says the Clik! drive was doomed by the click of death, given that (as he points out) the problem was specific to Zip drives! OK, if the click of death had actually bankrupted Iomega then it would be a fair point - but it clearly didn't, because they're still selling (newer, higher-capacity) Zip drives, external CD-writers etc. So what is he suggesting? That nobody bought a Clik! drive because they didn't trust any Iomega product after hearing about the click of death? I guess it's possible, but since the Clik! drive was clearly unable to compete with CD-R on price, convenience or market penetration, it doesn't seem very Occam-friendly to blame the click of death.
Just musing.
... to the whole concept of push content.
The Sinclair ZX80/81 were the things that created home computing (at least in the UK).
Amigas sold like hot cakes, and still have a large (overly nostalgic IMO) following.
Neither of them exactly failed...
Personally, even if I hadn't already loathed IOmega (even though, as it happens, most of my Zip drives have worked just fine, thank you very much), the millions of little metal clickers that they gave out at computer shows to promote the Clik drive would have prevented any purchases by me.
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Anybody else remember what it was like walking around industry trade shows that year with a constant backdrop of "clik" "clik" everywhere? Trying to carry on a productive conversation at PC Expo that year was about as viable as sleeping in a field of katydids at the height of their season.
Doggone Utah nutjobs with their clueless, murble, gurble, frazzin' . .
Rustin
Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
My vote for the biggest tech flop (with the exception of all the tech stocks that went from $100 to $1 a share in the crash of 2001) has got to be the 'Pen Computer' of the early 1990s.
This was going to be huge! A handheld PC that used a stylus instead of a keyboard. It would read your handwriting; It would communicate telepathicly. It would be bigger than free beer and chicken!
Imagine...doctors would rush out to buy a machine that take their scribbles and convert it into clear word-processor ready text. So what if the software couldn't tell a handwritten prescription of Lysergic Acid Dythelemide from Lysterine and Diet Coke!
Imagine...Restraunts would flock to buy these $3000 plastic boxes for each and every one of their $3.50/hr plus tips waitresses. They would do it because it would be so much more efficient than constantly buying 59 cent order pad booklets once a week.
So here's a hearty cheer to all those people who listened to this insanity, opened their wallets, and showered money on these bozos.
Here's to GO!, Here's to Milliennia!, Here's to Pi Systems!, Here's to IO!, and an especially grand huzzah to Apple, who spent several several hundred millions of dollars in the biggest positive-feedback bullshit loop in the tech industry history!
The PCjr, Internet Appliances and WebTV are on the list but where is NeXT, Steve Job's bastard child went that went nowhere?
I know one, precisely one, person who owns a NeXT Station. I know many who own WebTVs and Internet Appliances.
Oh, wait a minute... I get it now. There are links to buy iPods on the page. Can't bite the hand that feeds you, I guess.
LK
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These have been around in some form or other since the 1960s. Every few years somebody introduces a new one. The problem was initially economic, or technological. Now it's simpler. People do not want to be seen, and do not want to see where creative conversationalists might place their camera. Remember 'Freevue'? Sort of like CUSeeMe for people who surfed without the unnecessary restriction of trousers.
Wow, an electric wheelchair where you get to stand up... that's what Americans need is less exercise. Good thing you can fit 6 of them in your SUV.
I suggest you read Slashdot
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Kosmo's problem was that it tried to do its service nationwide. Stuff like this needs to be done locally.
The Kosmo story is well-chronicled in this movie, e-Dreams.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Hey, Kozmo.com! Spells it wrong, and not selected as one of the grand failures, but still mentioned. The real sad thing, as I understand it, is that the service was actually profitable in Boston and New York -- markets where a service like that makes sense. But they tried to extend way too far, and into cities like Dallas and Chicago, where I could have told them it wasn't likely to work. And then they got into so much debt they had to shut the whole thing down, just when Bostonians were getting really addicted.
"Multimedia"
Egads man, the entire web is all about multimedia. How on earth can you claim that it's a flop?
8" floppies
A flop? It was a earlier technology and part of a natural progression. This is like saying that horses were a flop because everyone uses cars now.
RS-232 serial port (25 pins, of which 4 are used)
Are you saying the port is a flop? Which would be wrong because it's the one legacy port that has/will outlive most others. The fact that it doesn't utilize all 25pins. Well the rs232 spec doesn't mention anything about using 25 pins. 9 pin connectors are also very common as well as using POTS telephone cabling (very popular back in the day to wire terminals).
Audio Cassettes for data storage
Hardly, most of the popular home based computers depended on this cheap technology for there "mass" storage needs. It simply became obsolete.
Some posts have mentioned Apple's hits & misses:
The Newton is really neither. It wasn't really a money loser for Apple (but wasn't a money maker either) - we also have to consider that the CREATORS of the Palm and later Handspring moved on from the original Newton team. The latest Treo is essentially what I think the Newton would have become.
Three of Apple's biggest misses are actually some of the coolest products they've ever introduced:
1) Apple Set Top Box - it was going to be a Tivo/Media Server - almost 10 YEARS before they are starting to become mainstream. I have one of these boxes and was able to get some content working on them. Apparently Apple tried to market these to resort hotels (the info I've been able to run on the box was for DisneyWorld Hotels)
more info can be found at www.applefritter.com
2) Apple Macintosh TV - this was a really cool looking Mac/TV combo that was sold in the education market that is underpowered but again WAY before the time of this type of integration (by about 3 years)
3) G3 All In One - this was only distributed in the education market and was actually a better iMac (had PCI slots, floppy, zip, CD, A/V in and out and three NORMAL RAM slots) I use this unit as my TV - it has great speakers and I have recently been able to upgrade it to 1Ghz G4. This was out 8 months before the iMac
more info can be found at www.apple-history.com
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>Graphics cards that allow you to watch television on your monitor, by plugging a coax cable into the card.
Um sure. That is why you can walk into any store today and still see four different tuners on the shelf. The market for tuner / capture cards is small but exists and thrives. HTPCs are taking off now with people building TIVOlike devices. A tuner card is required.
PS -
>Audio Cassettes for data storage
You have strange definitions of a flop. The cassette tape was THE means of data storage in the early days of home computing. PET had one, the VIC20, ADAM, TRS80, hell even the IBM XT first came with one.
>Windows 1.0
Strange definition indeed.
PC component prices plunged during the Internet Appliance heyday, so a full PC wound up costing just a few dollars more than the truncated Applicances.
WebTV:
But when sales stalled at around a million users, someone woke up and realized that low-resolution TVs are lousy at displaying emails and web pages
If these are really the reasons for their failures then both may experience a resurgence. I say that because of the new TV's that are in the stores today. Plasma/LCD TV's were a big seller for Christmas and their price has been projected to drop to half what they are today by next Christmas. Their crisp, bright, HDTV capable pictures will cure what Louderback says ails the category. It is just a matter of time. And Microsoft makes so much money in its monopoly markets of OS and Office S/W that it has all the time in the world for WebTV to take off.
Secondly, WebTV IS an Internet Appliance just not in the form that Ellison was pushing with the "Internet Computer". People will continue to buy TV's for their livingrooms, kitchens, bedrooms, and the backseat of their SUV's not PC's. And once those TV's are capable of displaying high definition images, then the asian commodity manufacturers will jump into the market and bring the prices down along with a multitude of features. I can imagine settop boxes competing year after year with new features like voice and gesture recognition instead of a clumsy remote controls, DRM, long term storage of data in Internet connected facilities, access to grid computing, MMORPG, biometrics, etc. all for $199 and the effort of connecting a few cables to a preexisting TV.
Within a few years I think we will finally see the success of both of these categories.
Interesting that WebTV is so honored, because the co-founder of the company, Phillip Y. Goldman, died this week at 39.
Iridium handsets seem large by cell phone standards, but military radios with long range capability are still a backpack item or worse. There's more network capacity in the Iridium system than in military commo nets, and you can call any phone in the world.
Think of it as an instrument of empire, like the British East India Trading Company, not a business.
As I understood it, Commodore's problems weren't with the machine--it was truly some amazing hardware for the time--but rather with their marketing and business practices. I think the far-and-away superority of the Amiga is what kept them alive as long as they were.
Wow, Space shuttles and attack jets are home computing in your world.
I want entry...
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
RS232 used both 9 and 25 pin connectors. The 9-pin serial ports on your computer are RS232*. As far as only using 4 pins, that is incorrect as well. Data was transmitted over two pins. If all you wanted to do was send/receive data you only needed those two pins. Other pins were used for useful stuff such as hardware flow control, carrier detection, and other out of band signaling. RS232 has been around forever, has been extremely widely used, and will be around for a long time to come (though not likely for much longer on consumer PC's)
RS422 is a whole different animal and has nothing to do with 9-pin connectors.
* Note: most new computers seem to be doing away with RS232[c] ports in favor of USB these days.
Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Long-Time Apple
I'm a bananna!
The US Navy bought hundreds of these, the NSA *has* hundreds of them, and a particularly large telcom provider in the southwest US used them for all of their billing systems. They were never intended to be used as a home user system so you're comparing apples and pickles.
Not to mention that NeXTStep was a good OS - it now lives on in OSX.
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Honestly, the only experience I had with WebTV was at my parent's house many years ago.
For them this was better then any computer. You sign up, you get your email account, you get access to weather, channel listings (they have WebTV with cable) You can program it to switch to specific channels at specific times. No worries for viruses, worms, corrupted file systems or bloated registries.
For people who just wanted an email address, gamble online, check news, weather, and program their tv/vcr, it was amazing.
Sure low res, and most of these features are in many products, but at the time it was a great idea.
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At first I thought yahoo DSL was on the list and I thought, "Wow, that took some guts to admit!" and then noticed the text "ADVERTISEMENT" above the image.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
Shit, OS/2 ain't even on the list.
:)
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OS/2 may have been a failure in the home/desktop market, but it was a pretty big success in the business/embedded market. It's use in bank ATMs alone may well qualify it as the 2nd most successful OS to date.
How about Taligent?
Better, although it might be disqualified on a technicality: does something have to exist before you can really call it a flop?
What about the Disney Sound Doohicky
I dunno, never heard of it. Are you sure it isn't just ordinary crap? To be a flop, there has to be an expectation of success, and to be a huge flop, there has to be an expectation of huge success. So things can be amazingly crappy without ever being a flop. In fact, when it comes to high-tech, crap is almost the rule, rather than the exception. And everyone knows this, which is why expectations are usually low, which in turn is why huge flops are kinda rare, despite all the utter crap that's out there.
What the article failed to mention is, once you had a bad Zip Disk, if you inserted it into another perfectly good drive, it would ruin that drive as well. Sort of a mechanical virus. This was a pretty common scenario, since if your disk doesnt seem to be working, what do you do? Find a friends/co-workers drive and try it out there (thus destroying your friends drive in the process).
The core OS was based on FreeBSD/NetBSD was easily portable, the microkernel also made ports easy. Fat binaries that ran on any platform were also the norm.
Lots of the technology from NeXT OS (aka NeXTStep) went into Mac OSX - from the NetInfo database, the dock concept, to the file system layout.
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Perhaps this article is looking at the wrong side of the coin and taking a pestimistic view of innovation and discovery. How many "idiots" failed at flight before the Wright brothers finally did it? Was their forerunners' effort for naught? Even today we might consider the Wright Flyer a flop - good pilots can barely get the thing to fly and nobody rushed to purchase and deploy their model. They didn't serve a meal and a movie onboard, and failed to fly to the next airport! That's primitive and useless by our modern standards. Judging old technology through our modern lens is a folly that fails to recognize the significance of the technology for its day.
I could go on with early attempts to cirumnavigate the globe, invent the lightbulb, etc. Many failures and cosmic wastes of money prevailed before a breakthrough occured. The buckets of gold handed to you by the Queen to go try something aren't as forthcoming. You have to support yourself with a capitalistic business model. The marketing of the tech product that isn't quite there is an effort (sometimes shady)to recoup R&D money. If you're lucky you get a few spin-offs along the way to pay your bills. If your're not, your business dies and leaves behind a product that "failed". Inevitably another business scoops up the pieces and finishes the job when there is enough money or advancement has solved the technical hurdles.
What matters, is the idea and the useful knowledge that comes from failing. Today's failure might just be the one useful piece of knowledge that makes tomorrow's success fall into place. In his list I see the forerunners and failures that have made Tablet PC, PDA, current GUI interfaces, DVD, etc. possible. So what if the previous business model and marketing attempts sucked. I am glad for my technophile little self that someone tried to make it happen, so I could enjoy their eventual fruits. Innovation is rarely a function of market penetration and stock price. This guy's column is suitable for the MBA crowd, not the tech crowd.
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The eMate was a success in its market, but it was killed by Jobs upon his return because it was the progeny of his arch-nemesis, John Sculley. Likewise the Newton 2x00 series machines, which at the time of their discontinuation were getting good reviews and finally throwing off the reputation of the original MessagePad. IMHO, Palm devices did not catch up to the Newton 2x00's capabilities until mid-2000.
Now, the Apple III-- yeah, that one was a turd.
~Philly
Most of the flops being discussed were not flops in the sense of being a bad idea that died a bad death.
Here's my top 5 list:
* Attempts at making the IBM compatible PC proprietary. Everyone who has tried has failed, including IBM!
* Copy Protection. From the damaged sector floppies of the 80s to dongles, to encryption schemes to future DRM. All of it has been an abject failure. Anyone remember Copy IIpc?
* Proprietary removable media formats with the exception of iomega.
* Razor blade business model for technology with less than a two year lifespan.
* Proprietary networking technologies. They work for a year then die. Proprietary means only one company makes it. Thomas-Conrad comes to mind.
-- $G
Parent should be marked as troll.
I wanted to make a statement about MSX, which you could hardly call a flop, but then I took a better look at the rest of the list.
It seems a more or less random list without any real argumentation about why the product was such a flop. If you count CD-R as a WORM drive by the way, then this might be the most popular technology so far.
This is more like a list of products that the author dislikes than anything else.
IBM never recovered from the Junior.
Wow... I wish I could NOT recover like IBM has! :)
Yeah, Lisa was a flop - but Lisa built the foundation for the Mac.
As for Newton - how was that a flop? It still has fanatical fans.
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The chiclet keyboard was a bad idea, but it had a purpose: You could insert overlays showing which key does what for a particular application. Even in its day, though, IBM got enough flak about the chiclet board that they sent all PCjr owners a more normal keyboard free of charge.
I don't think the sidecar alone was the reason for its demise (although not being able to use standard ISA cards certainly contributed to it). The main problem was that it just wasn't compatible enough with the PC, lacking "business" features such as DMA and hard-disk support. And it had a name that was hard to take seriously.
I thought it was so funny when they finally figured out that Segways would flop over when they had little or no power. Anybody with half a brain would have realized that power to the electronics and motors keeps it upright and without power it would fall over. In my opinion, the single speed Segway is not a good idea. Now if it had variable speed you could go with the crowd without mowing everyone over. The price would also have to come down drastically for it to really be a "big hit".
If the browser respects the refresh and intervening proxies don't try to short-circuit it, the requsted page will be re-transmitted from the server. This event will be logged and it will show up a new page view if your log analyzer is dumb.
I don't actually play with web logs, but it should be easy enough to make them "smart" enough to filter out repeated requests from the same IP address. I imagine that most analyse software could handle this, but check your documentation... Also, depending on what information you want, there are smarter ways to get it than by analyzing the logs.
Hit counters and other graphics that get loaded with a page are a different story. I would imagine that most browsers don't reload these on a META-refresh request.
As a side note, most hit counters are not smart... you can hit the manual refresh and watch them increment.
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