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Pew Study Says RIAA Tactics Are Working

Furd writes "The Pew Internet & American Life Project has posted a new data study that purports to show that the RIAA lawsuit strategy has successfully reduced P2P filesharing. While the presentation of the data is weak (poor graphics and weak statistics), the report does suggest that there has been a change in the usage of P2P tools."

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  1. Correlation does not equal causation by Taboo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. 2003 has seen the biggest emergence of legitimate pay-per-song services to date.
    2. The 4 p2p application listed in Pew's report (KaZaa, WinMX, BearShare and Grokster) will naturally lose marketshare due to the availablity of newer, more sophisticated applications.

    1. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by jdifool · · Score: 4, Informative
      Hi,

      you said everything that was needed. Well done.
      But the question, now, is : why such a story is posted when this is self-evident than someone is going to refute the very content of the story ? Or is it just meant to allow us to put some more sarcasms to the RIAA ? I still wonder.
      Nothing to see here, move along.

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    2. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by epiphani · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just out of curiousity, short bittorrent - which requires a web-based torrent, what other 'more sophisticated' applications are you speaking of?

      I'd also like to add number three to that list:

      3. December is also a very busy time for just about everyone. Expecting people to be downloading mp3s just as much during the holiday season is just .. stupid.

      Sidenote: as a Canadian, I dont plan on buying a single CD or paying for a single song from the major labels while I'm paying a music industry tax on my blank media.

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    3. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by TPFH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why such a story is posted when this is self-evident than someone is going to refute the very content of the story ?

      Common sense isn't all that common, and understanding of statistics even less so. Sure, we know the statistics of the mainstream media, let alone the RIAA puppets, is a joke, but what about "regular people."

      Then again, even if the "regular people" believe this statistic, what good would it do the RIAA? Well, it might put more of the fear of lawsuits into them. My girlfriend worries that I might get sued, even though it is about the same odds as winning the lottery and I don't share RIAA music. Maybe the RIAA is hoping for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      It seems futile to refute RIAA propaganda, but as they say, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

      Or is it just meant to allow us to put some more sarcasms to the RIAA ? I still wonder.

      Sarcasm of the RIAA can be entertaining.
      Articles about the RIAA attract readers.

      Is this new?

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    4. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by DashEvil · · Score: 4, Informative

      The eDonkey network (and it's many clients) are more sophisticated. You forgot them. :P

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    5. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by clifyt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Sidenote: as a Canadian, I dont plan on buying a single CD or paying for a single song from the major labels while I'm paying a music industry tax on my blank media."

      So, since Canadian artists and their management have given you the shaft without benefit of reach around, you are going to turn around and stick it to the rest of the world?

      This tax benefits mainly folks like Celine Dion and Brian Adams and whomever sings those beer commercial songs. It doesn't benefit the artists of the rest of the world.

      I for one work have worked in the background in somewhat popular music (nothing that big as I won't work on the crappy overly slick pop shit)...and generally I get substandard wages in hopes that the guys will make it bigger and I can share in a little of the album sales. As I have a day job and engineer / music techs don't really have a purpose on the road, most of the arguments about making the money while touring don't exist for me.

      Shafting it to the rest of the world just because your country has decided to make it a point to subsudize your artists is just assinine. Its not as if you are in some third world country and can't afford it, nor has our recording agencies been able to penetrate your country to the point that they've been able to syphon some of this cash. They HAVE tried to impose those taxes here in the states, but if you could ask the gov't to give you personally 1 cent of everyones who filed taxes and get away with it more power to ya (if I thought I could do this, I'd be drafting a law and sending it to my congressperson today) -- its the country men that actually approve the laws that decide if your points are valid and NOT these special interest groups. They don't have to take the money these companies give them, and you don't have to elect anyone that panders to interests.

    6. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by Ryosen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must have missed the memo...when did purchasing music become compulsory? If he doesn't want to buy a product, that is his decision as a consumer. But you raise an interesting point, one that I think underlines the basic problem with the music industry today. It seems that you, as a representative of the music industry, feel a sense of entitlement. It is apparent that you are under the impression that it is our civic responsibility to purchase your product without regard to whether we want your product or not. This is an unfortunate position but just goes to illustrate a fundamental and continuing flaw with the recording industry: not listening to and addressing the needs of its customers.

      You accuse the parent of "sticking it to" and "shafting it to" "the rest of the world" as if he is some sick, depraved individual whose actions exist with the sole intent of causing harm to everyone else. "How dare you not purchase my product!" you seem to say. You even go so far as to admit that you are in favor of legistlation mandating the subsidizing of the music industry by leveling a tax on people.

      Until you modify your attitude of entitlement and lose your contempt for your target market, your product will continue to become less relevant and desired.

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    7. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by WeblionX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shareaza is a pretty good client. It supports Gnutella 1 and Gnutella 2, as well as eDonkey2000 and BitTorrent. I don't know if it counts as "more sophisticated" but if Kazaa really did not hash the entire file, then at least G2 is more sophisticated, since it makes sure the entire file is not corrupted. Plus, there's no spyware. :x

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  2. New Tactics by citizenc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yup, new tactics are being employed. For example, I built a nice private, encrypted peer-to-peer network using WASTE. Kazaa, and all the viruses/fake files/incorrectly named files/spyware/trojans are a distant memory. ;)

    1. Re:New Tactics by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I also see their tactics working... My private p2p group has had an influx of over 100 requests to be menbers. The usual request rate has traditionally been around 1-5 a month. unfortunately for these people, it's an invite only not a request to eliminate asshat's from the RIAA getting on the inside and trying to call all our legit songs illegal.

      because all we trade are indie bands that gave us the rights to trade their songs freely.... really!

      Our closed/encrypted group like you are going to form has worked for years. mostly it was formed to get away from the crap-quality mp3's out on kazaa and the others (192 bitrate is the absolute minimum quality accepted with CORRECT id3 tags and file naming)

      the RIAA is simply moving the people underground and out of their view.

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    2. Re:New Tactics by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Yup, new tactics are being employed. For example, I built a nice private, encrypted peer-to-peer network."

      fwiw, the RIAA would consider that a victory. Your community of a dozen or so users is far less of a threat than a community of millions.

      And if you personally set it all up, you may be personally liable...

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    3. Re:New Tactics by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Why not? They have made less tenable claims in the past.

      Remember the old ladies and little kids getting caught up in their scam^h^h^h^hdragnet?"

      Well, here's what I remember:

      An older person may have been improperly identified by her ISP, and I think that case was dropped.

      A girl that acknowledged that she had copied thousands of files, and her family settled for a few thousand dollars.

      But now I'm curious: what exactly is their "scam"?

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    4. Re:New Tactics by mse61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WASTE is a wonderful technology, but as a practical alternative to a P2P program like KaZaA it is not. After it first came out there was a test done to see how many simultaneous clients could survive on the network and still have it work as anticipated. Due to the mesh topology of the network it was only able to support about 120 simultaneous users before it became very unstable. I'm sure with some optimizations you could get that over 200, but I highly doubt you'll ever come close to the 2 million plus connected to KaZaA at any given time.

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  3. bad statistics by cyberwave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who are stupid enough to respond to those surveys are also stupid enough to respond to the RIAA lawsuits.

  4. What really matters by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From a smart business point of view (which is not necessarily that of the RIAA) it is not if there has been a reduction in freeloading downloads, but rather if there has been an increase in people paying money for music (physical CDs or paid downloads). Since those numbers are not being hyped all over the news, I'm willing to bet that the actual dollar numbers are still declining or at the very least not increasing in anywhere near the proportion of the decreased freeloading downloads.

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    1. Re:What really matters by xophos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, what a surprise. The RIAA and international counterparts piss of everyone and then they think they are going to make more money? When you want People to buy something from you, you have to be nice to them, or at least pretend so. Here in Germany we have a huge media Campain that basicly says: If you copy cds or dvds you are a criminal and go to Jail.
      Not only is this hugely exagerated, it is a plain lie. The only chance of going to jail for that, is when you charge money for it.
      But they think they kan scare people into buying crappy songs from crappy mainstream bands...
      Well, i own about 25 cd's, all of which were bought, when you could get them for 15DM (about 7.50 EUR). I will not buy anymore untill i can get them for that price or lower again AND they stop behaving like the mafia. It's bad enough, that i pay a fee on each recordable media i buy for recording Knoppix or Debian on it.

  5. My opinion... by SB5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that Kazaa has been flooded with tons of bad song files. The popular ones at least. Record companies have found out that for a hash on a song it does the first 300kb or something and then uses it exponentially.

    I don't know of any other fairly popular file sharing program that you can find anything with, also it seems to be that there have been success with online music purchasing, specifically iTunes with 25 million songs downloaded.

    Not really big news, everyone knew if the companies offered a dollar per song, and this is years ago, napster-era stuff, that people would buy it, but the record companies wanted to buck the consumer and squeeze that last few pennies out by not changing the industry despite what the people actually wanted.

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  6. People are weak. by DroopyStonx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's truly sad to see so many people buckle under the pressure of the RIAA. It just makes the RIAA think they're getting what they want and makes them that much more delusional.

    Oh well, just a matter of time before highly encrypted and anonymous P2P hits the masses. Then we can all lean back and smile as they scurry about trying to stop it.

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  7. New stuff is garbage by fsandford · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats because we have all the good songs on our hard drives already, nothing new lately is worth trading.

  8. Re:It worked for me by ultrapenguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    > I feel sorry for you poor folks thinking lossless music sounds good; I've moved on.

    You must have really damn good ears if lossless music "doesnt sound good to you", sir.

  9. Yeah.... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're just all using the newsgroups now.

  10. Guess that depends.... by JeffSh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I guess that depends on your definition of "working"

    it may be working to reduce P2P, but is it also working to reduce sales of records, or also working to alienate their customers? it has with me, i guess it remains to be seen whether thats the case with sales figures 6-12 months from now.

  11. Re:It worked for me by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I oggify it for my laptop, and it sounds "okay" but I can hear the difference; mostly in the cymbols and, I dunno, some of the "punchiness" and "energy". Obviously for very high bitrate mp3s its harder, but the files are commensurately larger. Lossless each song is about 50 mb; I can fit about 11 CDs on each DVD-R.

    All lossy music sounds like "cassette-quality" to me; I much prefer flac, since technology has allowed me to deal with 50 mb 3-minute songs like its no big deal.

  12. Bad Statistics! by cyberwave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who are stupid enough to respond to those surveys are also stupid enough to respond to the RIAA lawsuits and pay for music. Furthermore, this year has seen the rise of many legitimate music download services! You can't measure something and then point the finger to whatever cause is convienient!

  13. pew falls into the RIAA beancounting trap by MoFoQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just like how the RIAA blame poor sales on piracy instead of the economy and crappy music, the reason why p2p sharing is going down can also be because of crappy music and the economy (ppl not being able to afford broadband anymore or the storage space or spend their time working menial jobs to survive, etc.)

    Just because it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, doesn't ALWAYS mean that it is...it can be a penguin in a duck suit. (lil' linux joke, btw).

  14. kazaalite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More likely the action to cut off kazaalite (by the owners of Kazaa) has had more effect then legal action against consumers by the RIAA.

    There is no way in hell I will install that spyware invested crap called Kazaa Media Desktop.

    And Gnutella is way too slow over a modem, which is still the predominant form of Internet access. (Well it was when I last tried it)

  15. The real question is... by narratorDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which tactic is working? Suing the crap out of d/l'rs or the rise in legitimate sources of online music?

    Or it could be the other reason, I've got all the songs I want.

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    1. Re:The real question is... by mqduck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got all the songs I want.

      I truly, truly pity anyone who could say such a thing. You need friends like me who constantly bug you to listen to some new band.

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    2. Re:The real question is... by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Which tactic is working? Suing the crap out of d/l'rs or the rise in legitimate sources of online music?
      From the data presented, I don't see a way to tell. But I wouldn't rule out the heavy handed RIAA tactics as making a substantial contribution. Anecdotally, there were an enormous number of people who simply didn't know that their "sharing" activity was unlawful. I've overheard and talked to enough people prior to the lawsuits who thought it was legal to believe that the misconception was very widespread.

      My speculation is that the RIAA tactics did have a substantial effect, but only with the availability of alternative download mechanisms. In statistical terms the legal online music stores played a substantial moderating role in the causal relation between the high-publicity RIAA actions and the results reported.

      With the right sort of data, it would be possible to test this speculation. Pew does things fairly well, and they may additional data which could be used to check it out.

      Just because we despise the tactics of the RIAA and the structure of the music industry as a whole, doesn't mean that we have to pretend that their tactics couldn't have worked.

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  16. Biased by CelticWhisper · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Call me paranoid, but is it really that far-fetched a notion that the RIAA may have had considerable direct influence over what was written in that report? The more people write that the RIAA's tactics are working, the more other people will begin to believe that it's true, and it could potentially mean more people being scared away from using P2P to acquire music.

    Of course, this says nothing for uncopyrighted, public-domain, or non-RIAA music, but given that the RIAA has had a history of using sledgehammers to swat flies, I daresay they'd be happier just stomping out P2P altogether than they would be with just getting their own music off of it.

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  17. Hmmmm..... add migration to BitTorrent and eMule by aSiTiC · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'd like to see an equally 'fuzzy' Excel graph of the increase in BitTorrent and eDonkey/eMule statistics. I would venture to guess that the sums of the total would be equal to or greater than the usage of KaZaA before RIAA lawsuits.

    I personally know that my friends are quickly moving to eMule due to the degradation of KaZaA's usability. They are having no difficulty in migrating to eMule's interface. Perhaps the RIAA should realize that attacking one source doesn't effect other sources, especially with today's computer literate college youth.

  18. Actually.... by BeerSlurpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The study shows that usage of P2P networks known to be heavily monitored by RIAA is down. This makes perfect sense to both the RIAA and to me, but the WHY is what makes all the difference. To admit why the traffic is really down would show that RIAA is hopelessly sliding into the abyss. It is so much easier for them to lie to themselves and their shareholders and say they are crushing the P2P threat to their business model.

    But the p2p hydra has many heads.

    RIAA is largely blind to the activity going on in the other networks, most of which are much harder to quickly traverse than gnutella or kazaa. Also, I imagine that no one has written a spidering program for them yet.

    The other networks are flourishing right now. Without naming networks, the server count for my favorite p2p network is much higher than normal, as is the user count and the download speed. No one has gotten a warning letter or sued yet for activity on this network, to the best of my knowledge, although some german and spanish ISPs have begun to block the ports it uses.

    Extra credit: Can you guess a name for this new network?

    1. Re:Actually.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      SoulSeek.

  19. Re:It worked for me by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a surprise for you - your "lossless" formats are in fact really lossy. To better understand this, consider the difference between 192KHz 24-bit PCM (the best DVD-Audio can do) and 44.1KHz 16-bit PCM (the format used on all CDs). Both are "lossless" per your definition, but all other things being equal, the DVD-A format provides a more complete reproduction than the CD format does. In fact, the CD format loses about 85% of the theoretical information content that the DVD-A format contains. Now compare the DVD-A format to a hypothetical 512KHz 32-bit PCM encoding, same sort of thing applies, ad infinitum.

    My point is that while you may not like psycho-acoustical compression like mp3,vorbis,aac,etc - you are still losing information with your so-called "lossless" formats, it is just that the choice about what information to through away is not directly based on human perceptual capabilities but rather simple mechanical inability.

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  20. Usenet by egg+troll · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not to sound pretentious but most of the music I listen too isn't readily found on P2P apps. Instead I get it from Usenet. (Easynews.com offers 30 days worth of newsgroups access including binaries for $10/month and has definitely been worth it.)


    The only downside is that you can only download what other people have posted. But if you ask nicely someone will usually upload whatever obscure album I'm looking for after a couple of days. In a way, its like a IRC trading with REALLY REALLY bad lag. :)

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  21. I stopped using Kazaa... by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... but not because of the RIAA, but simply because the process of finding the albums I liked was almost impossible. The tedious process of finding the songs, downloading them and then repeating the process if the rip was of poor quality or incomplete was not worth my time anymore.

    That is not to say that I started buying CDs all of a sudden, far from it. The last CD I bought was more than three years ago (RATM, Battle of LA), and the only reason I did it was because it was my favourite band and I decided to show my support to them. I had the same album in mp3s since the day it came out.

    This has been discussed numerous times on /. but I thought it's worth mentioning again. When the RIAA will start changing its abusive tactics towards technology in general, then I _might_ consider buying another CD from them. Even then, I have everything ever played by my favourite rock bands, I have a lot of classical music, blues, jazz. And since of late I've been more interested in DJ mixes that are not even available on CD anywhere (try buying DJ Tiesto or DJ Sasha to name just some very well known people), but only on specialised sites or through other friends, I'm even less likely to buy one of the RIAA CDs.

    So unless they will actually release interesting, creative music (instead of Britney et al), I couldn't care less about the RIAA's problems. The one way it did affect me was through the levy imposed on mp3 players in Canada, but you can always buy them from private individuals that bring them over straight from HK or Japan. But that's another can of worms, and it's off topic under this article.

  22. Inevitable? by Kobayashi+Maru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to admit it, but I do think that the RIAA will ultimately win this battle. Much as consumers accepted a higher price with the arrival of casette tapes, then CDs, some form of DRM will probably win out.

    I've heard the argument that consumers will not accept paying for an intangible (that is, no physical object). But the iTunes model allows the consumer, in a limited way, control over the physical. From their purchase, they burn their physical dividend. One could argue that the consumer gains *more* through DRM/license-ware, as some plans allow the consumer to burn multiple CDs.

    Most of the people I know (by that, I mean average, largely non-technical) still buy the occasional CD. They hate the RIAA in the abstract for Napster, but it does not stop them from buying. More and more have given up on P2P. Whether it's fear of a lawsuit or general hastle of finding Top-40, it just isn't worth their time anymore.

    The RIAA doesn't need to destroy P2P, that would be impossible. All it needs to do is break it sufficiently to make their "alternative" more attractive. I personally believe thing will reach an equilibrium, eventually. P2P will always be around, in some form, for the dedicated. The RIAA will be sure to quash anything before it reaches critical mass. While on the other hand, DRM-ware will evolve into something more accomodating.

    1. Re:Inevitable? by cyberwave · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding? The RIAA will never win. One person pays for music. Minijack from audio out right back to audio in. Audio in saves MP3. Everybody has the song. As long as you can hear the song, there is an easy way to copy it. Duh.

      Many people will always pirate popular music out of spite of the RIAA (like me).

      Their unlawful methods are also under investigation right now. The RIAA is not, and will not win in any way, shape or form as you wrongly predict.

  23. What about non-centralized networks? by GrandCow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still download music without paying for it. I probably download more now than ever. The funny thing is I still buy the music that I think is good enough to hear more than once or twice.

    Do I use Kazaa? hell no! I have to download 10 versions of a song just to get the "real" version of it... the one without some weird sound effects or just being the first 10 seconds repeated for the 4 minutes that the song should really be.

    Welcome to bittorrent land. I'll not post the URL from the server I use regularly for obvious reasons, but rest assured I can get more there than I could with Kazaa anyday. Now I download whole albums at a time instead of just 1 or 2 songs in order to determine if a record is worth buying.

    The great thing about bittorrent is that if people find that a song or album is fake they just stop sharing it. All of a sudden that album that should have 2000 people sharing it because it's so good only has 2 people sharing it (and they'll stop as soon as they unzip it and listen). That tells me to pass and find the real version.

    I hope the RIAA realizes that instead of ending the problem they just made it burrow deeper. This time there is no centralized network that they can shut down in order to maximize profits from the unsuspecting consumer. If they kill one, 5 more will show up in it's place. I hope they are happy with what they have caused to be created.

    Right now, the networks are small. Remember how small Napster or Kazaa began as? What happened a few months to a year later? Exactly... Expect 2004 or 2005 to be the year of bittorrent (or another decentralized network)

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    1. Re:What about non-centralized networks? by GrodinTierce · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While 2004 or 2005 may be the "Year of BitTorrent", you seem to be mistaking BT for a decentralized network. While it may be more difficult for the RIAA to locate the servers that host the trackers, and new ones will inevitably pop up, the hassle of keeping up to date with BT servers is really all the RIAA needs; I doubt they've ever seriously imagined stopping all filesharing, but simply making it too much of a hassle/complicated for Joe Sixpack.

      Also, I think that there is a common misunderstanding, particularly in the (big, scary) world outside of /., that America's youth (in general) are simply guaranteed to grow up computer-literate. While they may be more comfortable with computers than their parents, they're rarely much more knowledgable.

      Although BT itself is pretty transparent, just click the link and download, actually finding usable torrents for content can be surprisingly difficult. With Kazaa, it's just open it up, search, and get many, many results (which used to be generally good, in terms of quality and authenticity, but the probability of success is decreasing), and then click. The fact that Kazaa (and Napster before it) was so transparent and simple was part of the reason so many college-students left it on, without even bothering to limit their upload.

      However, to be fair, I think you're right about the trend towards decentralized networks, and I must admit, I'm not very familiar with eMule/eDonkey, but it does sound promising.

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  24. Re:Hmmmm..... add migration to BitTorrent and eMu by Babbster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Say it loud. Since installing Windows XP (I know, I know, Microsoft is evil) when Windows 98 passed my pain threshold, I've ONLY used eDonkey and BitTorrent. The latter in particular has the advantage that it's not as much a 24/7 proposition as other solutions. I typically leave a Torrent open long enough to give 2:1 to 3:1 ratios of upload:download and then I close out. There's also a legal advantage to the individual in that even if the RIAA/MPAA/etc. found me sharing/downloading, they're at most going to catch me with an album or three as opposed to every MP3 on my hard drive - this of course limits my potential liability if the RIAA files suit (and in fact makes such a suit far less attractive in a cost/benefit analysis).

    It would be interesting if they could actually identify the people who stopped using the file-sharing programs they looked at. It might correspond to the more tech-savvy geeks who've moved on to better things.

  25. I wonder... by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...if they took shut down off Kazaa Lite into account.

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  26. a matter of time by Captain+Entendre · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Oh well, just a matter of time before highly encrypted and anonymous P2P hits the masses.

    Without a doubt.

    I'd wager that the plaintext-and-public P2P networks are declining in direct proportion to an increase in the popularity of encrypted-and-(somewhat-)private networks. Stopping people who want to swap files will be every bit as difficult as stopping spammers. The infrastructure is just too well suited to the application.

  27. Tapering off... by letdownjournals · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't doubt that the scare tactics have worked, and casual P2P users have been scared off. I have friends who are just now getting DSL lines and are scared to death to load up Kazaa or Limewire out of fear that the sheriffs will immediately knock down their doors. But I'll also bet there's a large number of people who've been there since the Napster days, who have hundreds of gigs of mp3 files they'll never get around to listening to. P2P activity might also be levelling off because so many users have all the music they'll ever need... And spending all day and night trading files no longer has the illicit thrill it used to.

  28. Well, it did change my use by PotatoHead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I will, on occasion use a P2P service, though I keep it short and sweet. Never did use P2P big however, so the change is minor in that the frequency went down a bit.

    Why use P2P? Got addicted to the variety of music present on Napster. You know, find a user with similar tastes, then grap a couple tracks you don't know, but might like. That's fun stuff that is just too damn expensive to do otherwise.

    The new pay services make it pretty easy to get a lot of music, but fall way short in the finding new music area... Rock from the Aussies, techno / house / trance from Europe and Japan is very appealing to me. Didn't know that until Napster. In a way, I kind of wish I didn't given all the majors mistakes today.

    I am not sure they are going to like the bigger changes however. When P2P started, I would exchange song titles with friends. Each person would just grab a copy because that was easiest. Now we are all back to the old way of doing things; namely, trading tracks directly.

    How?

    Ssh, scp directly from machine to machine. The music I do buy, and I do buy music just as I always have, gets ripped. Stuff I think friends might find interesting, or that ends up part of a discussion gets traded instead of just named. The stuff that comes from P2P gets hashed around and played a bit. If it's good, I buy it, then trade the quality encodes from that with whomever was interested during the critique stage. So in the end, most of the costs are there with time and distance being less of a factor. Nice improvement over dubbing parties, but it could be way better.

    A while back, we were helping a small group master a CD. Sometimes it is hard to articulate production values when some people are missing the tracks in question, for example. We could lend physical media, but why? We have nicely networked computers that save a lot of time, it is foolish not to use them. Afterall, the production is happening over the Internet, why not foster the discussion as well? This sort of sharing is a totally necessary thing and can get expensive if done the way they think we should do it. The really creative folks need stuff to create from. This means a lot more music to listen to, discuss and build style influences from. If everybody hears the same top 100 crap, then we are going to get more top 100 crap --exactly what we don't need to sustain a healthy music market. P2P really helps with that, maybe it shouldn't, but the truth is it does.

    Personally, I think P2P is great stuff for learning about music. It also works well for lots of other things like software, though torrents are better for new or popular software. The Apple model is a good one, though its a shame Apple and the artists do not get a bit more of the cut.

    It has been mentioned many times here, but I will say it again. The majors are fools plain and simple. If they had taken the Napster deal, they would be rolling in dough right now with monthly subscriptions and marketing data up the wazoo that we paid to give them! But, nooo they want control. Today they pay the price. Lots of lawyers, annoyed customers, and the confines of age all doom them to lackluster sales and growing vulnerabltiy to potential newcomers who get it.

    People all over the place are making interesting music with inexpensive equipment. Mp3.com was a first attempt to aggragate them and present them to potential listeners. It worked, but not well. Others will follow, just as the P2P clients evolve, so will they. As they get it right, the majors will be sooo sorry.

    I have traded tracks all my life starting with cassette and a bit of reel to reel. For me, nothing has changed really. Napster was a brief flurry that likely cost them a few sales, but the real cost was my newly opened eyes to the real diversity in music I was missing out on. I buy music in about the same quantities I always have; namely, small quantities because good albums are few and far between, I would buy a lot more If I could get it at

  29. RIAA tactics are like antibiotics by IshanCaspian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have the effect of imposing natural selection on our P2P networks. Those that have vulnerable infrastructure will fall, and ones that do not will prosper. Sure, they are accomplishing their goal in the shortest of short terms, but they're creating the motivation and inspiration for unstoppable, anonymous pirate networks. It may look like the music industry is getting healthier, but they're just encouraging the creation of a bigger, badder bug.

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    But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.
  30. Worked on me by rosewood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Im on a dedicated university connection. I can not afford for the RIAA to sniff my way. I have a few connections to a few FTPs that get current music AND when I am at lunch I have access to someone's WAP and I download when I am there. My download habbits have gone from a new album a week and then some to about a new album a month in 2003.

    Ive also started using Winamp5's Internet Radio more often then not...

  31. Re:Yeah.... Shhh! by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You just opened up a can of worms. :)

    Regardless, most of the *good* news connections are pay-for anyways, which leaves most of the college kiddies with virus-laden P2P tools.

  32. Maybe there is nothing worth downloading! by zeekiorage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    By now any serious downloader would have downloaded his/her favorite songs and collected a few GBs. And maybe the new music is just not worth downloading. It would have been interesting to see if the decrease in file-sharing resulted in any increase in CD sales but the CD sales data is missing from the study.

    It may be working but these tactics must be costing RIIA some money and the increase in revenue from CD sales may be hard to come.

  33. What? by Arcturax · · Score: 2, Informative

    Poor graphics? A study doesn't have to be prettied up to be a good study.

    I think that mainstream P2P may have gone down. However underground P2P is going waaaay up. All the RIAA has done is to force this underground. The Pew study likely doens't look at the underground methods. I think most of us know what software I mean.

    But let them think they've won. Hopefully it will blind them to reality and hasten their well deserved end.

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    --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
  34. Not that coincidental by yintercept · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorry, but I doubt the music industry launching a double front attack with law suits and rather expensive and less usable alternatives is that much of a coincidence.

    For that matter, the two pronged assault was probably orchestrated. To launch lawsuits without a replacement technology in place would be a losing strategy. Launching legitimate music channels while building a case against the anti-capitalist P2Pers would have weakened the case for built in copyright protection.

    You probably should ammend your post to say that both the lawsuit and pay per song services were part of the strategy, and that the strategy is working quite well at keeping the power in the hands of the few.

    Watching the free music crowd getting played for suckers was an extremely painful thing to watch...especially since their was a better option: If there was respect for the written laws, we could have had our MP3s and copied them to our MP3 player too. Hey, we may have even been in a better position to change the laws for the better.

    1. Re:Not that coincidental by Greg+W. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the anti-capitalist P2Pers

      Newspeak! Double-plus un-good!

      I've been hearing quite a lot of this lately, from liberal and independent media sources. I don't think anyone is using the word capitalism correctly any more. Your particular use may have been sarcastic (it's hard to tell), but I'm reacting in a more general sense to all of the "anti-capitalist forces" out there who have been perverting a perfectly good word and turning it into a label for "the status quo", which they dislike. I can rant on this for a while, but I'll try to keep this one focused.

      Let's start with the definition:

      From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

      capitalism
      n : an economic system based on private ownership of capital
      [syn: {capitalist economy}] [ant: {socialism}]

      This also relies on the definition of capital which is basically wealth used to produce more wealth -- in other words investment.

      So, what does peer-to-peer file sharing have to do with capitalism? As far as I can see, no such relationship exists. However, if there were any such relationship -- excuse me for a moment as I voyage out into the hypothetical -- it would be just the opposite of what your phrase implies.

      What is copyright? Copyright is the right to copy something. That sounds really simple, doesn't it? In fact, that's too simplistic. What good is the right to copy? Isn't that just like the right to breathe?

      See, what copyright really is, is the right to prevent other people from copying something. Now, that's something worth talking about! Your government (I assume that the Gentle Reader is from a nation which has a copyright statute of some sort) has decided that it would be a grand idea to let one person say to another: "You may not copy this, for I hold the power of copyright over it. I alone may copy it."

      How does one go about enforcing such a thing? Back in the days when such laws were first created, it was a simple matter, because copying the items in question (books) required substantial resources -- a printing press, for one. So you could just keep an eye on everyone with a printing press and make sure they didn't produce copies of books that are copyrighted by someone else.

      This was feasible because there weren't very many printing presses. A printing press is an investment, used to produce wealth (printed books, which have more value than their constituent ink and paper). So, a printing press is capital by the economic definition. The use of a (privately owned) printing press to make copies of a work is a capitalist activity.

      How does copyright interact with this? Copyright says that, for a given work (book, phonorecord, etc.), a ban on copying shall exist until a specific amount of time has passed. That is, a governmentally enforced monopoly is granted, to one person or group of people, for the production and distribution of this work.

      This is anti-capitalist. In a pure capitalist marketplace, everyone would be allowed to produce copies of the work, and distribute them in a competitive fashion. Because of copyright, a capitalist market for this work is not allowed to flourish. Let met say it again for those of you who are just skimming: Copyright is anti-capitalist.

      So, what does that make peer-to-peer software? Let's take a specific work as an example: say, a copy of the studio recording of Yesterday by The Beatles. Despite the fact that half the band is deceased, this recording is still covered by copyright in most countries, and will continue to be so covered for another few generations. But how many copies of this recording can you find? There's one on a plastic disc in your local record store -- that's a government-approved one. iTunes probably has one in encumbered AAC format -- and that's also government-approved, at least if you don't do anything with it. There's probably one -- or a thousand -- in MP

  35. Slight correction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But the p2p hydra has many heads.

    I've seen the videos you're talking about, but those are really more prehensile phalluses with mouths.

    Be careful what you search for, you just might find it.

  36. Two flaws in the research model by the-banker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though it doesn't completely discredit the research, there are flaws (one large, one not so large) that are immediately evident.

    1. It was a telephone survey, which by law excludes the sampling of minors. All anecdotal research I have seen is that minors make up a significant population of online file traders. It is my opinion that this segment of the population could have a serious impact on the results.

    2. The fact that the research is conducted during a time when the RIAA is efectively criminalizing file sharing will motivate people to answer dishonestly for fear of being "tagged" a copyright violator. When a survey relies on an honest answer to be an admission of criminal activity, people will not be as forthright with their answers.

    I don't think that this would change the overall answer, that copyrighted file trading is down, but I think it would sigificantly impact the degree of its decrease. I think the Pew Internet research is most likely overstating the impact of the lawsuits.

    Which actually raises another issue - how much of the decline can be attributed to other factors, such as:

    1. Poor music released in 4th qtr 2003

    2. Increased self-regulation of file sharing in the University/College segment

    3. Filesharing becoming "old news" - basically the idea that everyone gets a TON of music when they first discover file sharing, then taper off as the previous 3 months of new music is no where near the volume of multiple decades of music people were grabbing at the outset.

    4. The proliferation of licensed online music distribution, such as iTunes, Napster 2.0, etc

    All in all I would conclude that the research has limited usefulness in measuring the effects of RIAA subpoena activity.

  37. Re:It worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In this context, "Lossy" and "lossless" refer to the compression algorhythms, NOT as you seem to impute, the original encoding of the material. A mp3 (lossy compression) ripped from a 44.1 pcm stream will sound worse than a flac, shn, or ape (lossless compression) taken from the same stream.

    That quibble aside, yes I agree with you. Taken to its logical conclusion, the best way to listen to great music is hearing great musicians play it live. So get out there and support them, dammit!

  38. Surveys also find.... by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That instances of jaywalking are lower in a police state.

    I don't doubt the statistics, but are threats of disproportionate punishment really the way a civilised society should behave?

  39. I'm sorry, but that's total bull crap by melted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Assuming that CD is properly recorded (which it rarely is, properly recorded CDs require properly constructed audio systems) and properly reproduced (even less chance, due to crappy stereos with cheap acoustics) there is NO information loss within audible frequency range. Shannon-Kotelnikov's theorem doesn't lie. Whatever gets in is reproduced exactly at the output. You have 96dB dynamic range (more than enough) and 2Hz to 20KHz frequency range (which is more that even babies can hear).

    Now lemme explain why anything more than 20bit/96KHz is bull crap. First, let's tackle 96KHz. Raising the sampling frequency to 96KHz actually makes sense, because it becomes a lot easier to make a good sounding CD player. You don't need oversampling anymore and you don't need high-order digital filter to filter out the harmonic images in inaudible band. The same thing applies to recording. You can record with less than perfect low-pass filter, and even though there will be horrible aliasing you won't be able to hear it anyway as it will be well above 20KHz. Now let's consider 24bit part. If you calculate the potential dynamic range of a linear DAC with full 24 bit input you will see that it at this point it is PHYSICALLY impossible to construct an analog amplifier that will fully exploit more than 20 bits of its dynamic range. Why? Because the dynamic range will be limited by the noise floor, which in turn will be limited by thermal noise in resistors and semiconductors. Calculations show that anything above 20 bit is simply not worth the effort - you won't be able to hear a single bit of difference anyway, the first 4 bit will be well below the noise floor.

    1. Re:I'm sorry, but that's total bull crap by po8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Calculations show that anything above 20 bit is simply not worth the effort - you won't be able to hear a single bit of difference anyway, the first 4 bit will be well below the noise floor.

      Be careful how you do those calculations. Frequency domain methods, such as FFT and/or the human ear, can detect periodic signals well below the "noise floor".

    2. Re:I'm sorry, but that's total bull crap by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While they can carry more information, they don't carry additional audible information.

      Most people don't have hearing which exceeds a 90dB dynamic range - a few extra bits are lost on them. He simply pointed out that going beyond 20 bits is completely silly since you can't even mechanically reproduce the sound using any known technology - even if you could you probably wouldn't hear the difference.

      The higher sampling rate does not contain any additional audible information - your hearing doesn't exceed 22KHz - which is perfectly reproduced on a standard CD. However, if cheap equipment is used, then noise in the 18-22KHz range, while not directly audible, can get reproduced in lower, audible, frequency ranges. If proper recording and playback equipment is used, the 44KHz sampling rate reproduces accurately every sound ANY human ear can hear. By increasing the sampling rate to 96KHz you can start using cheaper recording and playback equipment without impacting the audible sound (it will still produce noise - but noise which is now too high to hear).

      It all depends on how you define information. Most people listen to music with their ears. If you prefer to attach a spectrum analyzer directly to the headphone jack of your stereo and watch the music on the screen instead, then you will certainly find that arbitrarily increasing the sampling rate of your media will yield improvements (though probably not much once you get past 24 bit and a few GHz - since little in the way of electronics can handle these ranges). Most people actually prefer to listen to their music instead of watching it, however, so reproducing with 100% fidelity every sound the human ear is capable of hearing is good enough. The CD already accomplishes this - and as indicated by the parent a few improvements may make it cheaper to make good-sounding CD players.

    3. Re:I'm sorry, but that's total bull crap by jwdb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There may be no information loss, but that does not neccessarily mean that the reproduction is perfect. All CD players, especially low-end ones, are sensitive to jitter (especially prevalent above 14kHz where you only have two sample points per period, thus the so-called 14kHz limit for CDs), one of the more noticable forms of distortion, and have issues with odd-order harmonics, a characteristic of solid-state amplifiers. Your 96dB range is also only theory on anything but top of the line studio gear - you go that low on anything else and you'lle end up with a whole mess of quantization errors and external noise. So although in theory you have no information loss, you're always going to have a degree of distortion, and the trick is to try and reduce it to an acceptable level for the listener.

      If you want good music, go to a live show.

      Jw

  40. Re:ok fine by chain_from_hell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Posted yesterday on slashdot (time for a repost;)

    Actually, the sales are down by 20%. Popular filesharing is down by 30%. Offcourse, this is not proof. You have to take into account iTunes and likes, and the decline of the economy.

    But I can't help and smile ;)

  41. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...blackmail works - what's new?

    Mike

    Cloudburst Bar

  42. More accurately by Sarojin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The study shows that usage of P2P networks known to be heavily monitored by RIAA is down. This makes perfect sense to both the RIAA and to me, but the WHY is what makes all the difference. To admit why the traffic is really down would show that RIAA is hopelessly sliding into the abyss. It is so much easier for them to lie to their shareholders and say they are crushing the P2P threat to their business model.

    But the P2P coin has many sides.

    RIAA is largely blind to the activity going on in the other networks, most of which are much harder to quickly traverse than GNUtella or KaZaa. Also, I imagine that no one has written a spidering program for them yet.

    The other networks are flourishing right now. Without naming networks, the server count for my favorite P2P network is much higher than normal, as is the user count and the download speed. No one has gotten a warning letter or sued yet for activity on this network.

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  43. Re:It worked for me by stinkyelf · · Score: 2, Funny

    no matter how lossless a recording of [insert name of boy band here] it still sounds fucking awful to me ;)

  44. Re:In Boolean Algebra, Logic Tests You! by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ---Methodology---

    The Pew study was based on a poll.

    I believe that one might be forgiven if they were skeptical that the change in the data is due to 'lip service' rather than representing an actual change in downloading habits. It may be that RIAAs lawsuit strategy has not altered downloading behavior so much as it's influenced the respondents forthrightness in answering questions about downloading.

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  45. Good by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now when CD sales continue to slump, the RIAA will have to find something else to blame.

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  46. Not quite by Epistax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What has the RIAA been targetting? I've only heard of them suing Kazaa users, and so I assume that's all they are polling. There are many other platforms in use.

    Also what are their polling tactics? Do they call people up "We are the RIAA, do you share music?" Who the hell is going to say "Why yes, would you like the new {insert generic band} album?".

    I personally have not noticed a change in number of people sharing, or any individuals who have stopped. I have to cry social norming on this one. Social norming is when you lie and say people are doing what you want them to, then people will fall in line and actually do it. As with the posters at our school that say the average freshman has "0 - 2 drinks at a party", bullshit.

  47. Great..Encourage them by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just what we all need. Helping them "prove" what the are doing is just and effective.

    Anything can be 'proven' if you extrapolate out of context, even when the ultimate conclusion is false.

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  48. Must Admin by Nazadus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's working for me, I stopped sharing and downloading. However, I also haven't bought a CD from them in uhh.... uhh.... can't remember. I used to have a MASSIVE collection of cd's. I'm only 20 years old and already stopped buying from them... they lost any potential from me. A friend of mine told me of some place about an hour drive away with about the same msuic, except much cheaper and don't deal with the recording industry. The recording industry shot themselves in the foot, much like the oil industry is doing with the price of gas (by raising prices and making people think "I wish there was some other way...").

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  49. The RIAA's strategy is definitely working. by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, it's true -- I really haven't downloaded as much music during the past year. But I also only purchased one CD during all of 2003, and that was Radiohead's "Hail To The Thief", which I got for my girlfriend after going to see them live in NJ a few month's ago. In fact, I went ahead and sold back all of my old CDs to http://www.wherehouse.com/, in exchange for store credit, which I then used to purchase a whole messload of DVDs.

    I wonder who/what the RIAA will blame if this double-helix trend of decreasing file-sharing / decreasing CD sales continues for a few more years. In the meantime, I'll continue to purchase games and DVDs, which provide more bang for my buck than comparably-priced, more heavily restricted CDs.

  50. The U.S. did it 12 years ago. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Informative

    This tax benefits mainly folks like Celine Dion and Brian Adams and whomever sings those beer commercial songs. It doesn't benefit the artists of the rest of the world.

    First, it's not a tax. It's a levy, tarrif or royalty, depending on who you talk to.

    Second, it is imposed by international convention just about anywhere you would like to live. http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/resources/around_world. jsp. It is infact well-distributed around the world.

    Third, they succeeded in imposing a very similar system in the U.S., it happened twelve years ago. The RIAA http://www.riaa.com/issues/licensing/default.asp is a member of the AARC, who admisters the royalties in the U.S. http://www.aarcroyalties.com/.

    AHRA requires manufacturers of digital audio recorders and blank digital discs and tapes to pay royalties to the United States Copyright Office ("Copyright Office") for the benefit of eligible artists and sound recording copyright owners. This is to compensate artists and copyright owners for lost revenues because of the displaced sales caused by home taping.

    I don't really understand this stuff myself, but just check out the websites. They have lots of info up there about what they're doing and why.

    One thing I really don't understand, is why "Happy Birthday" can demand royalties direct through AOL/Time Warner, when systems like this are in place. Urban legend?

    1. Re:The U.S. did it 12 years ago. by Bombcar · · Score: 2, Informative

      One difference is that in Canada you pay the media tax on any media (I believe), whereas the in the US we only pay the tax on blank MUSIC CDs. Which is why they are always more expensive than the blank DATA CDs.

    2. Re:The U.S. did it 12 years ago. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you work with this stuff professionally, you should check out what those sites are saying: "Once the monies are received, AARC distributes the royalties to each artist and sound recording copyright owner it represents based on the participant's sales during the royalty year. So if a given artist's sales account for 3% of the total records sold that year by all claimants in its particular royalty subfund, they will get 3% of the royalties."

      Yeah, it's a blurb about what they do, as opposed to what they actually may or may not do, but if you know otherwise, you should probably feed back on their site.

      Here's some more text on it from the AHRA:

      Section 1004, Subsection 3b : Digital Audio Recording Media

      The royalty payment due under section 1003 for each digital audio recording medium imported into and distributed in the United States, or manufactured and distributed in the United States, shall be 3 percent of the transfer price. Only the first person to manufacture and distribute or import and distribute such medium shall be required to pay the royalty with respect to such medium.

      I read "3 percent of the transfer price" as 3% of wholesale... which even for "data" CDs, is probably unnoticably low. Except for fancy packaging and a jewel case for prominent display where tapes used to occupy the shelves, I don't personally know of any difference between an "audio" CDR and a "data" CDR.

      From their FAQ, they agree with what you're saying about analog media and computers. An inline D/A A/D convertor would probably make for a levy-immune copying machine.

      In the end, I suppose you're right, the Canadian Act appears far more powerful... I think it was to be applied retroactively at retail... which is fiendish. The proposed levies were so high too that they would have crushed the CDR industry and closed a lot of businesses if they went through (retroactive!?).

      Regarding the legitimacy of the tarrifs as applied in the U.S., it's all suspicious to me, but I don't know enough to have an opinion about it.

      The Happy Birthday thing is still a little weird to me, even if the words are copyrighted, so are the words to any given song.

      As for Perl, I agree wholeheartedly :-)

  51. The next question to ask is . . . by srchestnut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many CD's have they sold as a result? I don't think anyone who had thousands of mp3's is willing to go out and buy 50 or 100 cds because they quit filesharing. More likely, Mr. RIAA, people just aren't listening to your music anymore.

  52. The obvious conclusion by Thedalek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A new nationwide phone survey of 1,358 Internet users from November 18-December 14 by the Pew Internet & American Life Project showed that the percentage of music file downloaders had fallen to 14% (about 18 million users) from 29% (about 35 million)...

    Over the next 6 months, expect the RIAA to officially request the names of each and every person who participated in the poll, so that they too can be sued/threatened.

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  53. Pew by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny


    I have results to share from my own "pew" study... it concludes that the RIAA's tactics STINK.

  54. Re:Hmmmm..... add migration to BitTorrent and eMu by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was never on KaZaA. I started out on WinMX, which was an opennap client before it grew its own P2P network, which even in 2004 still isn't polluted. The thing WinMX has that BitTorrent and eMule lack is that BT and eMule are optimized for a few files of 20 MB to 1 GB (e.g. whole albums and ISOs) rather than many files in the 4 MB to 10 MB range (e.g. singles).

  55. Re:In Boolean Algebra, Logic Tests You! by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever since the RIAA started suing little girls, when a stranger calls me on the phone to ask if I download music from the internet I now say "no - and what's more I never have" instead of "yes, in fact I'm doing it right now."

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  56. Agreed by h8macs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Filesharing has changed, though I view it more as the following, as opposed to the RIAA's witchhunt:

    - spyware built by corporations and individuals not associated with the RIAA

    - horrible networks that can't hold a candle to the original napster incarnation.

    - less techno savvy folks sitting on T3 connections (due to a |slight| decline in available IT jobs in the "new millenium") willing to share their collections.

    I like BitTorrent, however I see it as a tool to share Open Source works rather than to exploit the RIAA's latest and greatest FadWare.

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  57. Yeah... sure... by decepty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want to know where the hell they get their data from... I'm not really going to put much faith in their stats though, as these are the same people who claim that only 13% of people who use the internet have been to an "adult website".

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  58. Of course it's working - but it doesn't matter. by Funksaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIAA's tactics, of course, has changed whether or not people will file-share.

    Hell, I quit myself and I told my friends and family to quit until the whole thing blows over (which, after the court case knocking out RIAA vs. Verizon) it seems close to doing.

    However, everytime I told people this, I also told them about the false arrests, and the fact that they're suing 12 year olds from the projects, and said "If you want them to stop, stop buying CDs."

    Then I point them at CDBaby.

    I've bought more albums in the past 8 months since they've started this crap than I have in my entire life - and NONE of them have been from RIAA member labels.

    Oh, also...

    That doesn't mean that stopping P2P stops downloading. Newsgroups and IRC are still going strong, and are only bolstered by this.

    The RIAA's strategy just doesn't work on a fundimental level. The only people who are going to be informed enough of the strategy to be frightened are going to be frightened enough to be pissed at the labels and not buy their stuff.

    -- Funksaw

  59. Oh, you really think so? by jwdb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First off, I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said that at low levels you get significantly more distortion in the sound versus recording at higher levels. Compare a 1mV and a 100mV signals run through a DAC and then a ADC, with the 1mV amplified to the same output level as the 100mV. the 1mV signal will be significantly more distorted due to the staircase nature of a digital signal - If you assume the DAC has a step of .1mV, your amplified 1mV will have a step of 10mV after amplification, meaning you've lost a lot of resolution.

    As for compression; heard of it, understand your argument, pretty sure it introduces even more distortion of the music. Personally I don't care as I listen to older stuff that is far less or even not compressed.

    You also chose to ignore the other factors I mentioned - jitter and harmonics - which are also both important factors.

    Jw

  60. I'm done sharing by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously I think I have every song I could ever want. I haven't had to load up eMule for a weeks. Christmas songs, books on tape, science lectures... it's all there. I suppose I'm getting old, but nothing I've heard on the radio in the past month sounds any good at all.

    My last batch of downloads I can recall was trying to find something new. Polynesian and asian music, some french stuff I can't understand, but it sounds good. I wonder how many other people have sort of had their fill and are taking a break.

  61. There is NO "staircase nature" in digital signal by melted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why they have that steep sinc(x) filter after DAC. The signal is reproduced EXACTLY as it was recorded - nice'n'smooth, accurate in amplitude and phase. See Shannon-Kotelnikov's theorem for proof. It's hard to grasp the concept of restoring high-frequency components of the signal by just a few measurements per sine cycle, but all this stuff is well known and mathematically proven.

  62. One COULDN'T pay until recently.... by gatkinso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...come to think of it.

    Now that you can legally buy music online, people are (or atleast seem to be).

    Why did it take the misuc industry meatheads so long to offer a legal alternative for something people clearly wanted (and were willing to pay for)?

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