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The Walking Dead of Silicon Valley

Frisky070802 writes "CNN has a column about a liquidator who refers to thousands of Silicon Valley startups as the walking dead. It states: 'Pichinson, a self-described "doctor of reality" who helps liquidate companies, says he wouldn't have moved from Los Angeles to Palo Alto a few months ago had he not smelled more high-tech trouble looming.... "There's still another 6,500 to 7,500 companies out there who are among the walking dead."'"

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  1. Re:Small companies can still survive by larien · · Score: 3, Informative

    And small companies can raise $59m for the owners, even if they only have 21 employees.

  2. There are signs, from the other side by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to work for a rather large and well known national (US) retailer in their store operations division. One of my responsibilities was to deal with stores that were slated to close for any number of reasons, perhaps up to 30 a year. If a facility is due to close or upper management is thinking about this (ignore what they tell you - trust me), the one thing they will inevitably do is try to save money on something that won't be around. Executives simply can't resist the allure of saving these costs when they can "get away with it".

    The first place to save said money for a closing or may be closing facility is operational maintenence. These are the kinds of things that can function for a while before their lack of maintenence can be noticed. On a routine basis, it makes economic sense to do certain preventative and aesthetic work on a schedule. Maintenence and building engineers know this, and they know what tends to be put off in the event a building will be closing. While they may not get the official word first, they will almost always know that a facility is closing before someone like the executive secretary.

    Here is what to look for, even if you know your company is in healthy financial shape and that your facility is not about to close. Pay attention to these because the good times are not always so good.

    Parking lots striping, is the parking lot badly in need of painting those lines that tell everyone where to park? Parking lot potholes, are the only potholes that are fixed the massive ones?

    Paint on the walls, most businesses will paint their walls every x number of years, it saves money on electricity (brighter walls allows less light ergo less electric), and this is one of those subconcsious things that can reduce or enhance worker productivity.

    Electrician, does your facility have a dedicated electrian, and if it does, has he been deemed unneccasary? This is a big one, electricians aren't cheap, but their vital to maintaining a smooth facility.

    Light bulbs, most businesses don't wait for those overhead lights to burn out to change them. It costs too much in terms of time when you have thousands of them. It's cheaper to change them all at once over the holidays or the like before they burn out. This is done on a schedule, learn what this schedule is, for this is also a big one that is easily overlooked.

    HVAC, heating ventilation air conditioning. Preventative maintenence like coil cleaning can be put off for a while if you know the facility will be closing, but would never be put off otherwise. Coils are typicaly cleaned at least once a year in the spring, and you can seem them from the outside. HVAC equipment is extremely expensive to service and even more expensive to fix. This is a big one, pay attention to if units are working properly (not if your hot or cold).

    Carpet, this is less obvious since it can last longer, and sometimes a really cheap company is perfectly content to let 15 year old carpet remain in place regardless. This can be a red herring, but it bears watching.

    It is not uncommon for maintenence and building engineering people to feel that the people in their building are stuck up and pretentious, and as a result they will probably feel no need to warn the occupants of the coming closure. While the facilities people probably want nothing to do with you, your security and janitorial staff aren't so biased. They work with facility maintenence on a daily basis and they can often also get wind of what is coming up.

    1. Re:There are signs, from the other side by el_gordo101 · · Score: 4, Informative
      This poster makes some excellent observations. I went through a similar situation at supermarket chain I onced worked for. Other warning signs to look out for:

      • Drastic reductions in inventory/product orders
      • Price reductions (to clear inventory)
      • Cancellation/suspension of supply orders (cleaning products, packaging material, etc.)
      • Hiring freezes
      • Lowered standards in routine facility maintenence (cleaning, sanitation, etc.)
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    2. Re:There are signs, from the other side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I work for an HVAC controls contractor, so I see a lot of facility maintenance stuff all the time.

      First off, about the "coil cleaning"... The only coils that are *critical* are DX cooling coils. Those are the ones that sweat like a mofo and turn just about any kind of dust on them into concrete. Other coils aren't so picky. Electric heating coils generally burn themselves clean in a few minutes during first use.

      Second, you can't usually see coils from the outside of anything. Coils are almost always protected by filters. And dirty filters are nothing to worry about, really. They just cause nuisance problems with a unit, not massive breakdowns.

      Third, many companies don't maintain HVAC stuff except to repair it, usually because they're budgeted out for years on the stuff. Others just let rooftop air handlers go to pot because they're gonna drop a new one on there in a year or two.

      That said, I know of a company that we sell controls to that has a severe reluctance to update or repair their equipment right now for the exact reasons you spoke of. And to top it all off, some of the points on our system monitor things like "radioactive waste storage"!

  3. Re:Chapter 11 vs. Ch 7 by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    it seems to me that a lot of firms over there that file for Chapter 11 protection eventually emerge from it and become successful again

    Yes, as explained here, Chapter 11 bankruptcies allow the company to reorganize and keep going. It is up a judge to decide if this is in the best interests of the creditors. If the company can make a good case that continuing the business would help them pay off more of the creditors, then that's the route they will go. Companies in chapter 11 can even get funding with debtor-in-possession deals that sign the assets of the company over to whoever is providing the money. Chapter 7 bankrupties (more like true bankruptcies) liquidate the assets of the company and divide the procedes among the creditors.

    With both types of bankrupties the creditors get pennies on the dollar and the shareholders get nothing.

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  4. Ghost town! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Funny you should mention it, but it's pretty spooky around here now. Driving around, I see all around me empty buildings and "For Lease" signs everywhere. Go by the old 3Com/Palm building and the parking lot is just empty, (well, almost empty). Run over to AMD (Spansion, it's called now)and most of the buildings have been vacated, once again, "For Lease" sign proliferate everywhere. While we're in the neighborhood, we can stop by Fry's and find the store mostly empty, where we used to be able to find all the tech-heads here during lunch hour. D2 (Intel) seems to be ok, meaning it's still hard to find a parking space during the day. Many other companies such as LSI Logic, HMT, HP, Read-Rite, and others have been bought out by another company and liquidated, gone by the wayside and closed up shop, or just relocated and combined operations elsewhere.
    The traffic also shows a dramatic change as well. What used to take me about 2 hours to get home to the Central Valley, I can usually make it in just over an hour, oddly enough, the worst is when I get to Tracy, wjere everyone seems to have moved (It's become a bustling little city, which I woulda never imagined growing up near there back in the 70's.
    Back from the minor digression, It seems sad to me that the whole valley has become fairly lifeless and droll, considering this was where the whole technological revolution began. Thinking optimistically, this may only be a temporary condition until the next great advancement. Or things have just settled down from the great boom of the 90's and are back to normal. I guess we'll see.

    Posted AC because, well, it doesn't matter.

    1. Re:Ghost town! by taradfong · · Score: 2, Informative

      I took a look at buying some real estate in San Jose, and 75% of the sellers were out of luck engineers who're moving out of the area. Real estate up the peninsula (like Redwood City and San Carlos) seems to be holding on, probably buoyed by interest rates. However the rental market is WAY down, you can rent a house that used to go for $3500 a month for $2300, and you can take your time thinking about it.

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    2. Re:Ghost town! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not really, because anyone who wants "resort/luxury" will move to San Francisco or Santa Cruz. In 10 years both those towns will have have finished their conversion to "playgrounds of the rich".

      San Jose is an ugly smog-filled shithole valley suburb (with no beaches). It's more like San Bernadino than Palm Springs (or Palm Beach). It started as an industrial backwater, and that's where it's going to.

  5. Re:According to Inc Magazine by UrgleHoth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's another article on small/new business failure rates.

    Or do the google search yourself.

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  6. Re:How does this compare..... by Darth23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The were not money LAUNDERING operations for the venture capatilists. They were PYRAMID SCHEMES for the venture capatilists, with the ipo as the big payoff.

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  7. Re:I blame the V. C.s by sgt101 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Don't kick the Baby!

    Ok VC's are evil, we hate them, they stole our company, they were nasty to us when we pitched, they were nasty when the company ran, they were nasty when the company folded...

    VC's are mostly: clever; honest; brutal; gamblers. Ok, it's not a great set of characteristics, but they're like sharks, not fun to play with in the pool, but noble beasts by their own lights. Don't hate them for what they are!!! All the VC's I have dealt with have been straight with me "it's our money, it's our company, you will do what we say, if it goes wrong we blame you, your ideas and you lose." not nice, but honest.

    Most people who take VC funding do it for one of three reasons:

    they have to or they will be bust in a month; this means that they have already lost their company and just hope for a few more paychecks and a reasonable pay off in the best case

    they are in a strong position, they want to expand, they are quick hard and clever and have a strong enough cash position not to have to take a follow up deal (that will kill their stake)

    they read stories about how dumb VC's are just handing out money for free. They think that the VC's are dumb and that the VC's will get ripped off, by them... oh dear, oh dear...

    The reality is that venture funds have to make money and the successes (Amazon, eBay, yahoo) of the last tech wave have paid for the failures. I would love to see the sums though but I imagine that the investment in Amazon has paid for hundereds of misfires..... My point is that driving companies to ipo or a trade sale (much preferred) is not evil; who knows what the health of a company after 5 years will be in any case?

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  8. Yes, but... by taradfong · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure, a few smart guys in a garage will always outmanuevre a mound of VCs and suits. Thing is, the VCs don't care about small potatoes, even very well run and profitable small potatoes. They want big potatoes. They have A LOT of money to manage and they need a MAJOR payoff to make it worth their while. This kind of company doesn't 'scale' in their minds.

    And this is really why the .com thing came and went. The VCs (and Wall Street), who have the money, created an evironment which led to lots of 'fluff' in the form of huge headcounts, 'internet presences' and above all, growth (profits be damned!). Heck, they essentially automated the creation of companies very much like the music industry automates the creation of music (ok, write a business plan, get a valuation, hire, make a website, etc.).

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