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Gamecube Linux Port Announced, In Progress

NiteStar writes "A group of people from the homebrew scene and Xbox Linux have now started a new project to port Linux to the Nintendo Gamecube. A small preview version has already been released, it's a small application that draws Tux the penguin on the GameCube screen. The roadmap explains a small client will run on the Gamecube, so the 'GameCube could be used as a desktop computer, which stores its data on a server on the network. The GameCube has a CPU that is powerful enough to decode common multimedia data like MPEG-4/DivX and MP3. It can serve as a display unit for content stored on a server'."

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  1. Very small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    A small preview version has already been released, it's a small application that draws Tux the penguin on the GameCube screen. The roadmap explains a small client will run on the Gamecube

    Wait a sec, go back to the part about it being small again...

  2. Next Gen... by TiMac · · Score: 4, Insightful
    By the time this is finished enough to be "useful" the next generation of hardware will be out or imminent....why not think of this stuff when the hardware is new? Xbox Linux crew did...

    But now the Xbox 2, PS3, and GameCube successor (name?) are looming, so....how about waiting til then, and starting on those immediately?

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    1. Re:Next Gen... by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By the time this is finished enough to be "useful" the next generation of hardware will be out or imminent....why not think of this stuff when the hardware is new? Xbox Linux crew did...

      Perhaps, so that old "obsolete" hardware continues to be "useful"? Besides, I wouldn't want to install Lunix on my Gamecube if it were brand spanking new, I'd be using it to play games.

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      "Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
    2. Re:Next Gen... by TiMac · · Score: 5, Informative
      Well, one of the arguments for Xbox Linux that the Xbox was a really cheap PC (essentially) so running Linux on it was a good way to get a solid machine for not much money. I can see this as much of the same thing--GameCube is cheaper still. So that's one reason you might want to run Linux on a brand-new machine--it'll be cheaper than a lot of PCs out there for what it will be used for.

      Accourse, I could be wrong....but this whole thing seems extraneous.

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    3. Re:Next Gen... by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know what you're saying, but not everyone has the dollars to get the latest game console.

      If all you have is an GameCube, and your bored with playing the games - then WTF - hack away!
      You have nothing to lose**, and you'll learn heaps doing this stuff - well done!


      **apart from stupid lawsuits, angry Dads and potentially the local Fire department :)

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      You can't expect to wield supreme executive power, just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
    4. Re:Next Gen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You remind me of Aristotle who claimed that women had more teeth than men. He could have just looked, but that would have been too easy. Likewise, let me go turn on the Gamecube. Ok here we go, yes the disc is spinning in the normal way! It doesn't go backwards!

    5. Re:Next Gen... by flynt · · Score: 3, Funny

      You have nothing to lose**, and you'll learn heaps doing this stuff - well done!

      **apart from stupid lawsuits, angry Dads and potentially the local Fire department :)


      At first, I thought you noted 'lose' with asterisks to alert everyone to the first time in the history of Slashdot where someone spelled it correctly. Congratulations!

    6. Re:Next Gen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe you should read the stuff you comment on.

      GC Linux project is actually from the guys who
      also started XBOX Linux. And the webpage also
      says...

      Q: GC is old... why now?
      A: The XBOX had to come first

      and as a side notice. All looks like XBOX2 will
      be a PPC. So why not learn on GC how PPC works.
      All the XBOX Linux guys are x86 experts, but
      they need to learn PPC *BEFORE* xbox2 is out

    7. Re:Next Gen... by lambent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's the point?

      What the hell was the point in porting UNIX to a x86 architechture? Isn't that that chip that was based on chips originally used to control ballistic missiles back in the 70s?

      What the hell was the point of emulating windows apps on unix? You geeks whined and whined and got your own OS; why don't you get your own freakin' software, too?

      What the hell was the point of ...

      oh just fsck it.

      They did it because it was there. Proprietary hardware and software are the Mt. Everests of the geek.

      I, for one, look forward to my new thin-client multimedia center.

  3. Does it boot with... by wheresdrew · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It's'a me, Tux!"

  4. Legal implications? by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As I understand it, booting these sort of things without paying royalties/licensing a devkit usually involves some form of copyright or trademark violation as a result of the measures required to get something to boot (the Gameboy, for example, had a requirement for a logo to be stored on the cartridge that was trademarked by Nintendo.)

    As cool as these things are to play around with, they aren't worth sullying the GNU/Linux name... especially with the SCO situation looming. Does anybody know if this sort of concern is present with this code?

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    Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
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    1. Re:Legal implications? by Troed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Due to a flaw tmbinc found it's "easy" to extract the necessary key needed to "encrypt" (XOR .. ) a BIOS that the GC will boot. This BIOS could be a pure Linux kernel, untainted by any Nintendo trademarks, copyrights etc.

      (And to prevent followup questions, no, it's not enough that the GC BIOS encryption is hacked to allow playing of games off mini-DVDr. It was on the Xbox, but Nintendo has additional security measures)

    2. Re:Legal implications? by sageman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, and the site mentions it, the DMCA allows Reverse Engineering for the purpose of software operability, i.e., as long as they don't steal/use the SDK and build all the stuff from the ground up its perfectly legal (in the USA at least; not sure about international copyright laws and stuff). Interesting that the DMCA actually has a section that protects us. Hmm. Unless I read this completely incorrectly, in which case, someone, please right me! (pun intended)

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  5. Gamepad by upside · · Score: 4, Funny

    I look forward to writing those shellscripts a character at a time using a gamepad. Like I don't get RSI from the mouse and keyboard as it is...

    And using an ordinary TV for a screen? No thanks.

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    I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
  6. Kube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I cant wait to get KDE 3.2 on this thing. Then I will have a Game Kube!

  7. BZFlag by Loconut1389 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Similarly, there is a BZFlag GameCube port in the works. http://www.webtrotter.com/bzflag

  8. Nice Media station by freidog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    not as good as the xbox
    No hard drive for easy locale storage. And may not be as simple as flipping a switch to boot from linux or from the default enviorment (i'm not sure how they're overriding the default start up)
    but for gc owners a nice addition to it's funconality. The ability to stream music, and / or video via a silent (and micro) computer. No real fan noise in the background when listening to music, and a much better video out quality than S-Video on the typical video card.

  9. Excellent point by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Informative
    But unfortunately, the extensibility of a product once it is in the hands of the consumer has been realized by corporate culture to be something that is better controlled than given away.

    There were any number of hobbyist platforms in the 70s and 80s. They're not around anymore. The people that control the industry today got their start on programming and hardware on these machines and are all too happy to remove that opportunity for the next generation. Some might think it's a bit hypocritical, but it's really about cutting out the competition.

    Besides, if just anyone can write for or modify these things, that cuts out the revenue stream from licensing. The future will be in renting, not buying. And really, they've got every right to control the product if we keep buying it.

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    Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
    -- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.




  10. While this is neat and all .. by Kalroth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .. I don't see it as anything but YaLC (yet another linux conversion) or in short, just a hobby.

    I just can't see it working as a cheap thin client, due to all the (extra) needed accessories, like keyboard, mouse, etc. XBOX would probably be much better for this, due to DVD + HDD.

    And as for the multimedia terminal, I'd personally rather have one machine that does it all; acts as tv recorder, multimedia player, storage server and even all that in silence, so it can stand next to the TV. Again the XBOX would most likely be better for this.

    Having said that, I think it's a neat project. If I was a kernel monkey, I'd probably spend some time on it too. I also love messing around with new projects myself. I'm not trying to troll (honestly!:), just expressing my concerns/views on the project.

  11. Re:I hope Nintendo has more decency than Microsoft by wheresdrew · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, the Gamecube is the most import-friendly console there is. Even before the Freeloader boot disc (or the Action Replay with Freeloader code), the Cube was the easiest mod ever.

    A gamebit, screwdriver and some solder are all you need to change a US system to a Japanese one, or vice-versa. Add a switch and some wire and you have a dual-mode system - no chip required. The ROMs on the board even have the system menus in both Japanese and English.

    Sure, it still voids your warranty, but it's a lot less hassle than modding a PS2 or Xbox. Heck, it's even easier than modding a PS1. Thanks, Nintendo!

  12. How they run the homebrew code by galaga79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For anyone like myself wondering how they run the homebrew code on something that doesn't employ a standard CD format the FAQ has some - ableit brief - answers.

    ### Can I just burn a 8 cm CD/DVD and use it in the GameCube? ###

    No. The GameCube reads no CDs/DVDs. There is no way to produce a GameCube compatible optical media using a CD/DVD burner.

    ### So do I run homebrew code on the GameCube? ###

    The PSOload method is the only way.

    ### What do I need in order to run homebrew code? ###

    A GameCube, any version of "Phantasy Star Online", a "Broadband Adapter", a memory card, and PSOload.

    ### Do I need a modchip? ###

    There are no modchips.


    All sounds kind of cumbersome IMHO.

    1. Re:How they run the homebrew code by AsnFkr · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is how the game backup process works it works. I'm not at home with all my bookmarks right now, otherwise I's supply the names of the programs and links.


      -Install broadband adaptor.

      -Put in Phatasy Star Online

      -Install memory card

      -Hook crossover cable from gamecube into a PC, or into a switch/hub on the network.

      -Boot gamecube up. Create a new game and character. Set server IP addy in PSO to the IP of the computer you will use to serve your game backups. It's gonna need some decent HDD space..as games are around a gig and a half each.

      -You run a program on the PC at this point, that waits for the Gamecube to request server info from it. Once the gamecube makes its request the PC sends a buffer overflow to the gamecube which allows it to write code to the memory card.

      -on the PC shutdown the last software package that wrote to the memory card.

      -on the PC start another piece of software that again waits for a request from the gamecube, but this time sends it a command to read all the data off the gamecube disc over the network to the PC's harddrive.

      -Reboot the gamecube. Load your recently created character and start the "online" game again. You will now see a process that looks like this
      -After 20-30 minutes the game will be on the HDD of the PC.

      -Shutdown the software on the PC, and load up the software that is used as a "game loader".

      -Reboot the GC, select your character and start a online game. Once again it goes to the PC thinking it is the PSO server and the PC sends it the game you had copied off the GC in the last step, enabling you to play the game without the disc in the GC.


      I have gotten all but the last step to work. Sorry it's light on details - but I'm doing this out of my head and havent worked on it in a few weeks. This is, however a idea of how that process works.

  13. And this will be useful because? by EvilDonut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How on earth is this going to be useful? The GameCube uses a proprietary media format, so in order to boot anything that's not an official game, you need to use the Phantasy Star Online-exploit.

    Which means that you would have to boot up the GC like you normally would, load PSO, do the exploit-thingy and then begin streaming Linux to the console from your PC/server/whatever via the Broadband Adapter. Am I the only one who thinks this is way to big of a hassle?

    I mean, Linux on the Dreamcast was just a matter of throwing in a DC-Linux cd and hitting the power button. By comparison, this GameCube hack is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Why not just buy an Xbox and screw Microsoft over?

  14. Re:more wasted work by Montreal+Geek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Perhaps, simply, because then you can use the hardware you bought to do the things you want?

    The GC is small, runs quietly, and has decent audio and video outputs. It's already sitting in my living room, where my large TV and sound system are. If, in addition to games, it can be used to play media that lives on my network then so much the better!

    I can think of othere uses. RSS feed displayer, anyone? :-)

    -- MG

  15. The Eternal Answer by Dan+the+Intern · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not?

    This will add a lot of functionality to an aging piece of hardware. Why go out and build/buy a media center when you can just port linux onto an old Gamecube?