In addition, a chemical reaction requires a very elevated or very low PH level in order to create this alkaline or acidic condition.
No, chemical reactions can take place at literally any pH. Try again.
There claim comes from the "in order to create this alkaline or acidic condition" part. Yes, chemical reactions can occur at any pH, however, by definition, alkaline means high pH and acidic means low pH. So, yes, in order for the given conditions, the pH must be very high or very low.
As far as this comment: See, um, I'm no physicist, but I do know that in a galvanic cell, the metals most definitely do NOT touch each other. There is no metal-to-metal contact. None. The metal electrodes only interact through an electrolytic medium which carries ions between the two of them.
The metals do touch each other, it just so happens that one of the metals is in solution, part of the liquid. In order for the transferance of IONs in a galvanization reaction (aka an oxidation-reduction reaction), the metals must touch. Either the oxidizing or reducing agent, in the aqueous solution that comprises a galvanization reaction for batteries and the like, must be aqueous itself, part of the solution that the other metal is submersed in.
So far, two for two.
Last one:
A chemical reaction requires hours if not days to manifest.
Try telling that to someone who works with high explosives. Or, if you don't believe me, go to your kitchen and add some vinegar to some baking soda. It won't take hours to react, but see for yourself if you're unsure.
Chemical reactions *can* take hours or days to manifest, if not for catalysts. Example, the decompisition of elements is a chemical reaction and could take up to years or even centuries for it to reach it's half-life, and that is, by definition, only when half of it has decomposed.
Doubtful that this will happen anytime soon, considering that many organizations still use large scale tape drives for backup (example: http://www.exabyte.com/). If tape drives are still around today, who's to say hard disks won't exist 20 years from now? What's more likely is that flash drives may become more viable for mainstream desktop computers but larger-density hard disks could be used in some other market. You'll see the drives fulfilling a different niche, perhaps.
How do you find out what constitutes a key phrase? Currently, simple tricks, like mangling words, or writing in multiple languages, using even words of special meaning that only the sender and recipient know about, all these obscurities, make computer-automated analyzation of conversations a ridiculous task. How can we coders even program something like that, let alone have computers actually do it efficiently? Not to mention, actual security (instead of obscurity) measures tacked on top, like RSA encryption, et cetera, exponentiate this task.
Additionally, the ridiculously huge amount of data makes it even harder. Given an efficient algorithm, we lose a lot of important obscure data that human analysts could look at and maybe see connections. However, given a better filter (which is far off), it'd take a very long time to collect the data and their would be a lot of data which is not important. This is not a menial task, not "quite easy to automatically analyze".
I'm not exactly sure how your second link is at all relevant to your point. As for the first link, I have some issues with the author of the article.
It is interesting to note that even if you look at it percentage-wise, with 90% market share for Windows, it recieved far more than 90% of the exploits and issues. Additionally, the article references Linspire, which is hardly a representative of Linux at all.
I particularly like this part: "During the experiment's run, both the PC running XP SP1 and the Mac saw about 340 attacks per hour. However, none of the attacks against the Mac amounted to anything, while the PC was successfully compromised nine times during the two-week experiment". I mean, that is the same amount of attacks! But the winbox was comprismised, the Mac not. I think (with the same number of attacks) that it clearly shows a big security advantage for Mac OS X over Windows. For the winbox, "Ten hours after the experiment began, the machine was screwed". This didn't happen with the others.
His statement about how the firewalled boxes and Linspire box recieved less than 4 hits per hour just shows that crackers don't attack them. This is not conclusive evidence that Windows is less secure simply because it has more users. It is merely circumstantial, since the winboxes with firewalls weren't hit either. Just shows that more-secured boxes have less of a chance to be hit.
I believe the author (of the article) does not really offer a convincing conclusion that "What does this prove? Well, having an OS with over 90 percent market share (along with some of its design decisions) makes you a great target for miscreants. Conversely, having a relative miniscule market share means your platform is less likely to be targeted, especially when making a quick buck is a major part of the motivation." It certainly doesn't prove it, and since the Mac and winbox had the same amount of attacks, I fail to see how it even shows any evidence to support his claim.
I change my user passwords to my system about every 2-3 weeks. Nice little perl script passook makes pronoucable nonsense alphanumeric passwords. Really cool.
For other data that I don't really care too much about, I just have a number of passwords.
Its unfair because it hurts our economy more than any other countries. I believe there is even a part in the Kyoto treaty to basically ignore the pollution of "developing" countries to give them enough time to develop, while bigger countries (especially the US) are forced to cut emissions.
Additionally, it is a silly treaty, because, as far as global warming, it doesn't accomplish anything. If emissions were cut, and kept that low for the next 100 years, computer simulations show that it would have a miniscule effect, slowing down global warming by 6 years out of the 100. Of course, to do that much it has to seriously hurt the economies of a lot of countries, especially the US.
Yes, we need to change, we need to look at the pollution problems and we need to do it now, but the Kyoto treaty just doesn't address them in an adequete way. Too bad, because we really need a change.
Just confused about the "fix" part, since it sure doesn't seem broken in linux.;)
Also, as other poster mentioned, very easily could just make a layer. In crossover or wine you could make the layer, but, since linux guys tend to use (better) burning software that is native to linux, I imagine we've just not considered this a major issue. Why burn in a windows program ran through Wine, when you can just use the linux one?
Of course, that would mean having to use solely rpms's with your gentoo system, which seems hard to do. I guess you could emerge as a package, creating a binary, maybe then making it an rpm, and have everything as optimized, home-compiled rpm's. However, then you have a "LSB compliant" (in the sense of package management) system that uses packages which will only run on your system (okay, and systems with similar configurations and USE flags, etcetera).
My pals and I set up a similar system with one server making the package and then the other four (The Collective) fetching that package, which has already been all set up for their system (they are identical systems). I guess, we could have made the packages it used rpm's, though don't see the reason.
Personally, though, I don't use rpm's unless I need to, since compiling from source allows much more customization, like being able to just get Konqueror from the KDE packages without any other apps from it, or specifying the apropos USE flags to make sure I have, say, python support for apache, but no perl or php (if one wanted to). Sure you can do this with other systems, but the interface to doing it, and the fact that you can fully customize it all, is really powerful and hella fun!
True, but the second part is rather illogical. One can't just make a strict relationship like that between cost of hardware and cost of software. I mean, that's like saying IE would cost less on a Dell machine than on an Alienware one, which is, of course, ludicrous.
Of course, the end of the sentence you are referencing says "OR ANY OTHER MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM THAT IS A SUCCESSOR TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING OPERATING SYSTEMS", which in fact does seem to indicate that the limitation is to a Microsoft-owned OS.
Since it defines "OS PRODUCT" as a MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM, WITHOUT LIMITATION (meaning any MS OS or derivative/successor OS), anything not under a MS EULA license (meaning: everything but Windows products) are not covered, and thus cannot use it.
Actually, you can prove a negative. Case example: the proof stating that there is NO algorithm to check if a context free grammer is unambigious (you can only show, through example, that it *is* ambigious). There are many examples of this in Computer Science and I'm sure many other fields (I'm CS so don't know about the other guys, but sure lots of math and science examples exist ^_^).
Course, you can't prove that you don't have weapons (in fact one can prove that that proof doesn't exist).
This will only encourage users to get a copy of the full Windows version so that they won't be limited in what they can do.
Actually, given the trend in Europe and Asia as of late, this would more likely push Asia towards the Linux market. Seriously, what is Microsoft thinking? This isn't going to get Asia to buy uncrippled Windows versions when they can just get Linux, which is not limited to running THREE programs (that is insane!). This is not going to work in Microsoft's favor.
It could also push the Asian market towards piracy of real Windows versions, which is also a more likely idea than buying full versions (Korea especially is world-renowned for its massive piracy).
You know, its not only the rich that go to college, but the intelligent too. Poor folk can still get merit scholarships and I know of quite a few folk (personally) that get free tuition due to their merit awards. Additionally, one could also enroll in Reserve Officer Training Corps and get a considerate amount of their college fees payed off in exchange for a little military time. Save up money, go to a community school, get good grades and you'll be able to get merit scholarships to other schools to continue education.
Sorry, but don't really like the education bashing here.
This post isn't meant as an insult, implied or direct, just saying basically that anyone that works hard enough can be a college graduate.
I believe ogle actually contributed a considerate amount of code to the xine project to get dvd support in xine using the dvdnav plugin, described as so: "This is probably one of the more ambitious plugins for Xine. Its ultimate aim is complete support for all DVD features (including interactive menus, multiple angles, etc.). Initial versions have been available for some time but once the Ogle DVD player ( http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/) came to prominence, some of the original code was replaced with code from Ogle for which the original creators of Ogle deserve thanks." (http://davis.lbl.gov/Manuals/XINE/howto-5.html)
I remember using ogle for a long time and then finding this out and just using xine for all my movie needs from then on.
Just a little confused exactly at the 'approaching' part. Are we saying that the limit of the cost of win xp from now to infinity is zero, since that's the price of gnu/linux?
Oh, I see, 'friend's disk', I get it. Forgot when they put that as allowable in the EULA, hehe ^_^.
As far as cutting corners, using PHPnuke, whatever, its because the people that can write php and everything shouldn't be wasting their time making another website; they should be working on a project, building something, coding something, contributing to an open source effort, whatever.
That being said, doesn't hurt to make a website from scratch (or a few) to learn the underlying concepts and then apply them to more important tasks.
Whatever, don't listen to me anywho, this is all bull, hehe.
Eclipse, yes. I love eclipse, I really do. I use it for all my C/C++ projects, as well as my Java projects. Course, still use good 'ol emacs for little things, perl scripts and lisp programming. Emacs is great, don't get me wrong, its amazing, can do things that eclipse probally won't ever be able to do (play games, read email, et cetera), but doesn't need to either. Both are great programs, but as a developer's tool Eclipse is definitely more intuitive and it also draws converts from VC++ too.
As far as other Java programs, can also include apps written by hackers for their own need. Just some guys that want a quick-to-write app to do something, like visually organize music or whatever. Sure the program is slower than if you wrote it in c++, but you don't care, you just want a quick little app to use, you're not releasing it commercially, et cetera, and the speed increase between c/++ and java is decreasing, plus the time to develop is typically much shorter for java than a c/++ app, thanks, no doubt, in part to garbage collection, which the newer algorithms used are becoming so efficient that garbage collectors average case is nearly as good as the most run-of-the-mill memory management techniques in non-GC langauges (and much better when poorly coded memory management is implemented, of course).
Now, as far as plans with replacing vi with a Java clone, check this out.
Course, could just send a Knoppix CD and say 'pop this in'. Autoconfigure and all, very nice way to get the converts. Starts right up and has a "web browser, word processor, email clients and the like" among other apps. Very nice.
As far as games, that is changing my friend, and how. Even playing windows games under gnu/linux is easier if you want to shell out the (comparitively) cheap cost for WineX, and even free (speech/beer) Wine is becoming quite good for gaming purposes. Plus games like Neverwinter Nights, Unreal Tournament 2k4 and big-wig games are having native linux versions too! Rejoice for the revolution will come soon.
And as a society, we do have the right to tell you how to raise your children.
Obviously you aren't talking about America, since that clearly descibes socialism, pretty much a perfect example, and America is not socialist, but rather a democratic republic.
As far as filters (to go on topic) I've set up my computer as a proxy via Squid and blocked my brother from accessing websites to view cheat codes for video games because I thought it was funny. Worked really well (I've removed it since then of course!).
As far as porn, my parents have never had problems with me looking at it (I'm 19 now, been looking at porn for about 10 years). I recently introduced my Dad to the sites ogrish.com and rotten.com. Been watching R-rated movies with my parents and younger brothers since I was 6, as long as I can remember back. Been listening to vulgar music with my parents ever since I found out about music, say when I was 9 or so.
By the way, since I should mention this, this type of activity has done nothing to harm me since my responsible parents did sit down and talk it all over with me long ago. I am an honor student at a considered-tough college, have never had any encounters with 'the law', never a problem in school or elsewhere, never used any drugs, never drank alcohol (I had wine for new years with my parents, like one glass, a few times, okay), never smoked, and don't plan to do any of these things.
Just have to make this comment after being hit with a bit of nostalgia. When I was 6+ years old my Dad would read his Playboy magazine, of which my mother bought him, in the living room, and knowing my interest in things technological, he'd show me such articles. Once I turned 18 I was proud that I could then buy such a fine magazine, only to be dismayed at the change of pace towards a more (as slaker has rightly mentioned) "Maxim/FHM-style".
Well, always got Slashdot for the tech part. Find the other stuff everywhere else, of course.;)
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In addition, a chemical reaction requires a very elevated or very low PH level in order to create this alkaline or acidic condition.
No, chemical reactions can take place at literally any pH. Try again.
There claim comes from the "in order to create this alkaline or acidic condition" part. Yes, chemical reactions can occur at any pH, however, by definition, alkaline means high pH and acidic means low pH. So, yes, in order for the given conditions, the pH must be very high or very low.
As far as this comment:
See, um, I'm no physicist, but I do know that in a galvanic cell, the metals most definitely do NOT touch each other. There is no metal-to-metal contact. None. The metal electrodes only interact through an electrolytic medium which carries ions between the two of them.
The metals do touch each other, it just so happens that one of the metals is in solution, part of the liquid. In order for the transferance of IONs in a galvanization reaction (aka an oxidation-reduction reaction), the metals must touch. Either the oxidizing or reducing agent, in the aqueous solution that comprises a galvanization reaction for batteries and the like, must be aqueous itself, part of the solution that the other metal is submersed in.
So far, two for two.
Last one: A chemical reaction requires hours if not days to manifest.
Try telling that to someone who works with high explosives. Or, if you don't believe me, go to your kitchen and add some vinegar to some baking soda. It won't take hours to react, but see for yourself if you're unsure.
Chemical reactions *can* take hours or days to manifest, if not for catalysts. Example, the decompisition of elements is a chemical reaction and could take up to years or even centuries for it to reach it's half-life, and that is, by definition, only when half of it has decomposed.
All sounds fair.
Doubtful that this will happen anytime soon, considering that many organizations still use large scale tape drives for backup (example: http://www.exabyte.com/). If tape drives are still around today, who's to say hard disks won't exist 20 years from now? What's more likely is that flash drives may become more viable for mainstream desktop computers but larger-density hard disks could be used in some other market. You'll see the drives fulfilling a different niche, perhaps.
Guess we'll all just see.
How do you find out what constitutes a key phrase? Currently, simple tricks, like mangling words, or writing in multiple languages, using even words of special meaning that only the sender and recipient know about, all these obscurities, make computer-automated analyzation of conversations a ridiculous task. How can we coders even program something like that, let alone have computers actually do it efficiently? Not to mention, actual security (instead of obscurity) measures tacked on top, like RSA encryption, et cetera, exponentiate this task.
Additionally, the ridiculously huge amount of data makes it even harder. Given an efficient algorithm, we lose a lot of important obscure data that human analysts could look at and maybe see connections. However, given a better filter (which is far off), it'd take a very long time to collect the data and their would be a lot of data which is not important. This is not a menial task, not "quite easy to automatically analyze".
My two cents.
Fair enough.
I'm not exactly sure how your second link is at all relevant to your point. As for the first link, I have some issues with the author of the article.
It is interesting to note that even if you look at it percentage-wise, with 90% market share for Windows, it recieved far more than 90% of the exploits and issues. Additionally, the article references Linspire, which is hardly a representative of Linux at all.
I particularly like this part: "During the experiment's run, both the PC running XP SP1 and the Mac saw about 340 attacks per hour. However, none of the attacks against the Mac amounted to anything, while the PC was successfully compromised nine times during the two-week experiment". I mean, that is the same amount of attacks! But the winbox was comprismised, the Mac not. I think (with the same number of attacks) that it clearly shows a big security advantage for Mac OS X over Windows. For the winbox, "Ten hours after the experiment began, the machine was screwed". This didn't happen with the others.
His statement about how the firewalled boxes and Linspire box recieved less than 4 hits per hour just shows that crackers don't attack them. This is not conclusive evidence that Windows is less secure simply because it has more users. It is merely circumstantial, since the winboxes with firewalls weren't hit either. Just shows that more-secured boxes have less of a chance to be hit.
I believe the author (of the article) does not really offer a convincing conclusion that "What does this prove? Well, having an OS with over 90 percent market share (along with some of its design decisions) makes you a great target for miscreants. Conversely, having a relative miniscule market share means your platform is less likely to be targeted, especially when making a quick buck is a major part of the motivation." It certainly doesn't prove it, and since the Mac and winbox had the same amount of attacks, I fail to see how it even shows any evidence to support his claim.
At least that's my take on it.
I change my user passwords to my system about every 2-3 weeks. Nice little perl script passook makes pronoucable nonsense alphanumeric passwords. Really cool. For other data that I don't really care too much about, I just have a number of passwords.
Apparently you are unfamiliar with sarcasm. Don't you feel silly.
Its unfair because it hurts our economy more than any other countries. I believe there is even a part in the Kyoto treaty to basically ignore the pollution of "developing" countries to give them enough time to develop, while bigger countries (especially the US) are forced to cut emissions.
Additionally, it is a silly treaty, because, as far as global warming, it doesn't accomplish anything. If emissions were cut, and kept that low for the next 100 years, computer simulations show that it would have a miniscule effect, slowing down global warming by 6 years out of the 100. Of course, to do that much it has to seriously hurt the economies of a lot of countries, especially the US.
Yes, we need to change, we need to look at the pollution problems and we need to do it now, but the Kyoto treaty just doesn't address them in an adequete way. Too bad, because we really need a change.
Just confused about the "fix" part, since it sure doesn't seem broken in linux. ;)
Also, as other poster mentioned, very easily could just make a layer. In crossover or wine you could make the layer, but, since linux guys tend to use (better) burning software that is native to linux, I imagine we've just not considered this a major issue. Why burn in a windows program ran through Wine, when you can just use the linux one?
Of course, that would mean having to use solely rpms's with your gentoo system, which seems hard to do. I guess you could emerge as a package, creating a binary, maybe then making it an rpm, and have everything as optimized, home-compiled rpm's. However, then you have a "LSB compliant" (in the sense of package management) system that uses packages which will only run on your system (okay, and systems with similar configurations and USE flags, etcetera). My pals and I set up a similar system with one server making the package and then the other four (The Collective) fetching that package, which has already been all set up for their system (they are identical systems). I guess, we could have made the packages it used rpm's, though don't see the reason. Personally, though, I don't use rpm's unless I need to, since compiling from source allows much more customization, like being able to just get Konqueror from the KDE packages without any other apps from it, or specifying the apropos USE flags to make sure I have, say, python support for apache, but no perl or php (if one wanted to). Sure you can do this with other systems, but the interface to doing it, and the fact that you can fully customize it all, is really powerful and hella fun!
True, but the second part is rather illogical. One can't just make a strict relationship like that between cost of hardware and cost of software. I mean, that's like saying IE would cost less on a Dell machine than on an Alienware one, which is, of course, ludicrous.
Since they've already paid for it by buying Windows. That sounds "free"?
Of course, the end of the sentence you are referencing says "OR ANY OTHER MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM THAT IS A SUCCESSOR TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING OPERATING SYSTEMS", which in fact does seem to indicate that the limitation is to a Microsoft-owned OS.
Since it defines "OS PRODUCT" as a MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM, WITHOUT LIMITATION (meaning any MS OS or derivative/successor OS), anything not under a MS EULA license (meaning: everything but Windows products) are not covered, and thus cannot use it.
Actually, you can prove a negative. Case example: the proof stating that there is NO algorithm to check if a context free grammer is unambigious (you can only show, through example, that it *is* ambigious). There are many examples of this in Computer Science and I'm sure many other fields (I'm CS so don't know about the other guys, but sure lots of math and science examples exist ^_^).
Course, you can't prove that you don't have weapons (in fact one can prove that that proof doesn't exist).
Isn't math fun?
This will only encourage users to get a copy of the full Windows version so that they won't be limited in what they can do.
Actually, given the trend in Europe and Asia as of late, this would more likely push Asia towards the Linux market. Seriously, what is Microsoft thinking? This isn't going to get Asia to buy uncrippled Windows versions when they can just get Linux, which is not limited to running THREE programs (that is insane!). This is not going to work in Microsoft's favor.
It could also push the Asian market towards piracy of real Windows versions, which is also a more likely idea than buying full versions (Korea especially is world-renowned for its massive piracy).
You know, its not only the rich that go to college, but the intelligent too. Poor folk can still get merit scholarships and I know of quite a few folk (personally) that get free tuition due to their merit awards. Additionally, one could also enroll in Reserve Officer Training Corps and get a considerate amount of their college fees payed off in exchange for a little military time. Save up money, go to a community school, get good grades and you'll be able to get merit scholarships to other schools to continue education.
Sorry, but don't really like the education bashing here.
This post isn't meant as an insult, implied or direct, just saying basically that anyone that works hard enough can be a college graduate.
I believe ogle actually contributed a considerate amount of code to the xine project to get dvd support in xine using the dvdnav plugin, described as so: "This is probably one of the more ambitious plugins for Xine. Its ultimate aim is complete support for all DVD features (including interactive menus, multiple angles, etc.). Initial versions have been available for some time but once the Ogle DVD player ( http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/) came to prominence, some of the original code was replaced with code from Ogle for which the original creators of Ogle deserve thanks." (http://davis.lbl.gov/Manuals/XINE/howto-5.html) I remember using ogle for a long time and then finding this out and just using xine for all my movie needs from then on.
They'd have to introduce an app called Lions first, so they can say 'we've got Lions, only in Kenya'.
Just a little confused exactly at the 'approaching' part. Are we saying that the limit of the cost of win xp from now to infinity is zero, since that's the price of gnu/linux?
Oh, I see, 'friend's disk', I get it. Forgot when they put that as allowable in the EULA, hehe ^_^.
Don't forget to drop the camera and exclaim 'oh crap'.
Wow, that site is hilarious, by the way.
As far as cutting corners, using PHPnuke, whatever, its because the people that can write php and everything shouldn't be wasting their time making another website; they should be working on a project, building something, coding something, contributing to an open source effort, whatever.
That being said, doesn't hurt to make a website from scratch (or a few) to learn the underlying concepts and then apply them to more important tasks.
Whatever, don't listen to me anywho, this is all bull, hehe.
Eclipse, yes. I love eclipse, I really do. I use it for all my C/C++ projects, as well as my Java projects. Course, still use good 'ol emacs for little things, perl scripts and lisp programming. Emacs is great, don't get me wrong, its amazing, can do things that eclipse probally won't ever be able to do (play games, read email, et cetera), but doesn't need to either. Both are great programs, but as a developer's tool Eclipse is definitely more intuitive and it also draws converts from VC++ too.
As far as other Java programs, can also include apps written by hackers for their own need. Just some guys that want a quick-to-write app to do something, like visually organize music or whatever. Sure the program is slower than if you wrote it in c++, but you don't care, you just want a quick little app to use, you're not releasing it commercially, et cetera, and the speed increase between c/++ and java is decreasing, plus the time to develop is typically much shorter for java than a c/++ app, thanks, no doubt, in part to garbage collection, which the newer algorithms used are becoming so efficient that garbage collectors average case is nearly as good as the most run-of-the-mill memory management techniques in non-GC langauges (and much better when poorly coded memory management is implemented, of course).
Now, as far as plans with replacing vi with a Java clone, check this out.
Course, could just send a Knoppix CD and say 'pop this in'. Autoconfigure and all, very nice way to get the converts. Starts right up and has a "web browser, word processor, email clients and the like" among other apps. Very nice.
As far as games, that is changing my friend, and how. Even playing windows games under gnu/linux is easier if you want to shell out the (comparitively) cheap cost for WineX, and even free (speech/beer) Wine is becoming quite good for gaming purposes. Plus games like Neverwinter Nights, Unreal Tournament 2k4 and big-wig games are having native linux versions too! Rejoice for the revolution will come soon.
And as a society, we do have the right to tell you how to raise your children.
Obviously you aren't talking about America, since that clearly descibes socialism, pretty much a perfect example, and America is not socialist, but rather a democratic republic.
As far as filters (to go on topic) I've set up my computer as a proxy via Squid and blocked my brother from accessing websites to view cheat codes for video games because I thought it was funny. Worked really well (I've removed it since then of course!).
As far as porn, my parents have never had problems with me looking at it (I'm 19 now, been looking at porn for about 10 years). I recently introduced my Dad to the sites ogrish.com and rotten.com. Been watching R-rated movies with my parents and younger brothers since I was 6, as long as I can remember back. Been listening to vulgar music with my parents ever since I found out about music, say when I was 9 or so.
By the way, since I should mention this, this type of activity has done nothing to harm me since my responsible parents did sit down and talk it all over with me long ago. I am an honor student at a considered-tough college, have never had any encounters with 'the law', never a problem in school or elsewhere, never used any drugs, never drank alcohol (I had wine for new years with my parents, like one glass, a few times, okay), never smoked, and don't plan to do any of these things.
Just have to make this comment after being hit with a bit of nostalgia. When I was 6+ years old my Dad would read his Playboy magazine, of which my mother bought him, in the living room, and knowing my interest in things technological, he'd show me such articles. Once I turned 18 I was proud that I could then buy such a fine magazine, only to be dismayed at the change of pace towards a more (as slaker has rightly mentioned) "Maxim/FHM-style".
;)
Well, always got Slashdot for the tech part. Find the other stuff everywhere else, of course.