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Morpheus Infiltrates Other P2P Networks
An anonymous reader writes "Morpheus was the number one post-Napster P2P app until Sharman Networks took over KaZaa and got them bumped off the FastTrack network. Now Morpheus is back on FastTrack, according to MP3NewsWire, tapping into it and the other leading networks through a beta of the NEOnet technology in the just-released version 4. Thomas Mennecke over at Slyck speaks more about it with Michael Weiss, CEO of StreamCast Networks." prostoalex also points to a ZDNet article discussing this new version of Morpheus, and notes the Download.com warning that: "Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings."
Doesn't this mean now that the RIAA only has to download one program when they want to find file swappers and what not?
Morpheus always seemed to look a bit dated aswell..
Morpheus got back in the Matrix? Any word on Neo?
If Morpheus wants to capture a big share of the product market and really make a stand, it should do two things which I believe are critical:
A successful 3rd generation P2P program should;
a) Either have no spy-ware or, if necessary, do it out in the open. List each program that is in use, what it is recording, and remove it on an uninstall. It's one thing to have advertising and tracking information: its another to pull a Sherman and hide it all (and then !deny all when they get caught)
b) Have some sort of way to filter out the fake files put out by record companies and the RIAA. Check files, particularly MP3s, for filler, or repetitions of strings (the usual cause of noise on fake MP3s). Make users able to chose the actual content that they are after. Perhaps also blacklisting of unreliable users from a user level?
Put in these two features and your program can be competitive on any server (particularly ALL servers)
I wonder what the size of the profit they reap from spyware?
"Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your eating habits, deliver doomsday predictions, collect the neighbours paper, or may leave an unpleasant taste in your mouth."
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
"Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings."
Doesn't Kazaa do these things anyway?
Why would anybody ever download something bundled with the crap referred to here, much less install it? Such "third-party applications" make the main product worse than useless.
I'm surprised there isn't a completely open-source, distributed P2P filesharing application widely available to people. Such a thing, when advertised as been spyware/adware-free, would likely be a huge hit. But I guess the "distributed" problem is a tough one, and it's the only way to avoid having to host some sort of master server (which would be expensive).
BitTorrent is probably the closest thing we have so far, but it doesn't provide an index or anything along those lines...
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Who cares?
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The answer to spyware ? Two words: "Reverse Snapshot".
Long live VMWare.
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TFA starts:
Morpheus 4 is Here and Legal
Morpheus 4 is here and legal - "the only American file-sharing software ruled legal by a U.S. federal court," its owner StreamCast Networks boasts.
But never says why and how, further more, how is it legal and supports FastTrack network at the same time?
Anyway, FastTrack isn't the network it used to be, the quality of its files is getting worse and worse, many times you'll download something to find out that it was something else but renamed, I've switched to eDonkey long time ago, much better file quality, yes it's slower, but that is just fine with me as long as the file quality is OK.
It's much harder to share fake files in eDonkey anyway, because of the file hashing and voting system.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
Some 70 to 80 per cent of Internet traffic is already P2P related. I wonder if a sizable portion of this is pure query traffic. I would assume that applications such this one that support multiple networks would be cause for increased query traffic all around. Therefore in my opinion it's hard to say if this development is a good thing at all.
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January 21 MUTE 0.2.1 was released.
http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/
Jan 7 slashdot posting about MUTE 0.2
Changes includes mention of a time out problem in win32 version fixed. I hope that also reduces the tendency for MUTE to abort downloads.
It may be a bit wobbley in these early stages, but it's anonymous and doesn't install spyware and crap. Worth supporting if only by running it so there are more active nodes.
The user comments at download.com have more mention of the apparent spyware - to quote one comment:'The claim by the program vendor that this software is free of Spyware is utterly ridiculus. I installed it on a fresh install of Windows XP Pro. It installed "Websavings by Ebates" without the option to opt out.' But then, maybe that's just intrusive adware and not technically spyware - not being familiar with this ebates doobrey I wouldn't know.
On the RIAA comment, the download.com blurb states that 'Morpheus protects your privacy with integrated access to public proxy networks.' But I'm a bit skeptical about that myself.
It's always been a mystory to me how to actually become a participant in the Nielsen ratings system. If 3rd generation p2p apps with spyware actually fed back information as to what I was downloading and watching... I would think that would be most spiffy, well except for that whole MPAA RIAA thing, but ignore that for a moment.
I for one would be perfectly willing to submit what I watched in the hopes that it would improve its ratings, so long as the process didn't lag down my system. I would also be perfectly willing to live with comercial content if it paid for the media.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Just face it... P2P isn't going away. P2P clients are like Whack-A-Mole: As soon as you smack (sue, crash, buy out, whatever) one, three more pop up.
So, RIAA, do like the government strategy : If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I'm waiting for the RIAA 'official' P2P network that allows record labels to profit from the spyware ads on a user's machine. Not like I'd use it, but... it's a better (and more profitable) idea than suing 15-year-olds. And it makes the RIAA look like the good guy!
I don't run Linux. I get paid to write Windows apps, I play and write DirectX stuff in my spare time, and when I'm not doing that I'm making music using Windows sequencers. Let me know when I can write and play decent games, use cubase and make a living from writing code under Linux and I'll take another look at tedious hard disk issues.
Dude, it's now 2004 not 1994. Where have you been all these years?
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I recently saw "Poisoned" being used on a Mac OSX box and it brought home to me the generally sucky nature of P2P on Windows I had been using KaZaA + DietK but switched to a recent build of KaZaAliteK++ which is much leaner and more friendly, but can't match Poisoned's multinetwork, spyware-and-adware-free smoothness Which P2P apps would /.ers recommend for the Windows platform?
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Discussion is already up on the MLdonkey Lists about possible infringement of the MLDonkey GPL License.
:-)
MLdonkey connects to all kinds of Networks, as Edonkey, Overnet , Bittorrent , Gnutella, Gnutella2 and Fasttrack and that seems where the Morpheus NEOWhateverTech (insert your favourite marketing-droid-speak here) code comes from.
BTW, apart from being GPL and from being written for linux originally, MLdonkey gives you a nifty web-interface which lets you search and download (at home) all sorts of stuff while hanging out at the office
i actually dled and installed it cause access to a bunch of nws sounded good and i figured i could just remove any spyware. plus here is an actual quote from the beginning of the licence agreement: "Morpheus values your anonymity and privacy. Morpheus does not contain or bundle malicious spyware." THE FUCK IT DOES. In addition to the My Search bar, Ebates, and BroadcastPC it admits to installing it has 3 or 4 other progs plus an ad window and popup ad thingy built into the gui. most of this shit runs in the backround and doesn't show up in the processes or services lists. thank god for adaware and spybot sd and fuck morheus. i'm sticking with Azureus (a BT client)
Soo...let me see if I get this right. You attempted to download an operating system kernel from an untrusted p2p source? You should just be glad you didn't get another kind of backdoor action...
And Next on Slashdot, 3l3T3_h4k3r_20x6 releases his newest P2P app: Trinity.</kidding>
P2P was a neat concept way back when it was called a bulletin board. I guess it still is a neat concept, now that we have IM for sharing snapshots and web-camera streams. The truth, however, is that it isn't nearly as effective in pushing around bits as administering a cheap Linux box with 200GB of HD off a cable modem with a bunch of college frat buddies.
Moreover, it isn't nearly as good as having a private server with 500+GB of storage on a college LAN... I lost count after the 5th HD was added to my frat's file server. Dues in a frat house go to the 60"HDTV, game systems, parties (It's all about the Super Bowl), and the file server "as needed". As long as you meter/throttle the bandwidth so that the file sharing outbound network doesn't spike the University's network admin's attention (or better yet, have a student network admin in your frat), bandwidth consumption looks just like a massive Quake (or other FPS) game. Match that to the right port for Quake, etc, and even the best sysadmins are fooled.
Lest you think that this is too paranoid, I have a colleague who only traded audio or video on his private 10/100 ethernet switch which was behind a Linksys NAT/firewall from his dorm room's connection (he graduated recently). In these days of IPods and USB2 devices, a portable 200GB HD can be filled up pretty quick. They cost less than $200 for a USB2 200GB drive.
Another friend started using NetFlix recently, and copying the DVDs to DVD-Rs (they are even cheaper at $1 per 4.5GB in bulk).
A recent alum halfway around the world shares popular series like Farscape or Carnivale in DivX. One of our friends likes to encode the director's comments and such when he rips DVDs. Others go for the make-it-fit-in-700MB VCD. These are all private networks with strong encryption. Having a "P2P network" of geeky college aged friends with a central file store provides orders and orders of magnitude the bandwidth and security from being caught.
I'm not saying that I don't purchase media (now that I live on my own, I do have a cable subscription). But when I go back to the house on the weekend, there's a good selection of media.
Let me just say that DRM doesn't work, and neither does software activation. People don't rip crappy stuff. All my friends buy content (CDs, MP3s, DVDs, etc) when it suits them. Busting all my friends would be nice for the MPAA, RIAA, or BSA, but lets just face it, that's not going to happen, because this content is on private devices. The wire taps required to even discover the shared content aren't legal, and aren't practical (go ahead and try to wire tap my dorm's P2P WEP protected 802.11g WiFi network). The answer is to provide the content at high quality on demand over that broadband channel. TV does this, with the exception of the on-demand part. At 3AM, though, if I want to watch Farscape season 2 episode 4, that's what I want to watch with no commercials at DVD or DivX quality.
It's a good thing we live next to a guy with an open WiFi network. I might be afraid to post something like this from my home network logged in with my user name... You can trace this message off a few bounces into some poor guy's closet, and if you get the IP address, then it may or may not have been changed since his network seems to be going down regularly (see related thread on RIAA lawsuits).
If you have the md5 or sha1 hash of the file/iso from the original source (validated by a gpg signature) that's perfectly save and helpes saving bandwidth on the original servers.
I can't run a windows or a Linux GUI application, hence the question.
Can anyone suggest anything?
Many thanks
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Isn't funny how an application that distributes mp3 illegally is now breaking into other applications that do the same thing, which instead of doing only one illegal action it is now doing two
MLdonkey is open source and supports not only donkey but fasttrack, bittorent, soulseek, dc, gnutella, gnutella2, overnet, opennap networks too. u can use it with many guis and from console.
I wasn't aware of anything you couldn't get over BitTorrent. Why would you mess with spyware-ridden software and risk getting subpoenaed by the RIAA for slow download rates and fake files?
These things go in fashions - Napster lost it and Kazaa probably will too. People will use whatever is easiest, safest and has the most files, and if the major pirates^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sharers hated spyware and were using KL, they'll up sticks and move to eDonkey or whatever when KL gets switched off. The effort of doing so is negligible.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
OK I'll bite. Copyright violation *is not theft*. Find me a piece of legislation (not an RIAA press release) that says it is and I'll buy you a large virtual drink... Morally speaking, in your universe it may be theft. But not in most people's. Try asking a random selection of 1000 people the following question: "Am I a thief if I make a tape of a friend's (copyrighted) CD?" (this is a form of copyright violation most people, even not computer literate, can understand and relate to). If you can honestly say that more than a small percentage will agree that you're a thief, then I think you're deluded. So: If you do it, then you *are* morally a thief since you believe yourself to be. The rest of us aren't.
Now this?
"Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings."
When the average person ELECTS to use something even after reading this warning, you can be assured that the Internet has really and truly become McNet. (McDonald's reference for those of you unfamiliar with it) Hmmm... now that I think about it, it sounds like the Microsoft EULA, and plenty of people accept that every day. ;P
A sad day indeed. A sad, sad day...
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The amount of thievery...right to steal.
Hey, this is an article about filesharing! Who do you think steals (=takes away, so someone does not have something he had before) what from whom and how does it relate to the article?
I had installed it in my desktop two days ago and I can't say that I was impressed. ----I know that it is still beta----, put it has a lot of way to go! -It uses the mldonkey fasttrack plugin in order to connect to the kazaa network... Hmmm... doesn't this mean that they should provide source or something? Correct me if I am wrong -User interface is awful!! Big ugly graphic buttons and I have the impression that I didn't see any proper menu bar. Of course, there is a ad-box in an uncomortable position taking up a whole strip of the screen just in order to display an ad in the middle. At least kazaa ads to not take up a whole row (There are the play-stop-etc buttons next to them) - There is no way to see the peers you are connecting to (At least that was my impression after the 20min. period that it had the honour of being installed in my machine) -UI was slow on my P4 3ghz, 1gb ram (!) -It crashed.
Deal with it. Boycott or abstain, but overpricing doesn't give you any legal or moral right to steal.
Moral rights are determined by self.
In all this talk about a "open" protocol and client that doesn't have spyware, Im suprised that I never hear /.'ers talk about OpenFT/giFT client. I had been using it regularly but constant changes to the protocol and server updates made me look else where. Even though this was a problem I'm supprised there isn't a bigger community pushing giFT and there efforts to help make it a solid product. I noticed they have more clients and one that works with windows now (cross plat is good). Like I said its been awhile since I used it but at the time I loved it. After reading this post I revisted their site and it looks like they are making progress so Im assuming that they have a some what more stable protocol that doesn't get changed all the time. I think ./'ers should either take a look at it or give it another try like I AM!
That isn't copyright violation in the U.S.. It's called Fair Use and is protected by law. It's why recordable [audio] CDs and tapes have a levy on them which goes to the R.I.A.A.. The difference between doing that and downloading over the internet is that there is a limit imposed due to physical proximity which is only overcome by paying to ship the media to your friend. You must also pay for the media. Downloading over the internet removes these two key points which led the courts to declare such usage legal in the first place.
So now that I've given an analysis on the differences between the two (physical sharing vs. online sharing) with respect to how the courts view them, please stop trying to justify online infringement by citing Fair Use.
And my third party software (VMWare) inside which I run your little programs on a dedicated image with nothing on it but P2P programs doesn't really care. Spy away.
Moral rights are determined by self.
Then you'd better hope that you don't run into someone who thinks murder is ok...
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Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain,
or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
KCeasy available at www.kceasy.com also taps into the Kazaa network, is open source, and spyware free. Check it out.
But if you check ftp.kernel.org -- or any mirror you happen to trust -- you will find .sign files corresponding to each tarball. If you want to pull a tarball from a potentially untrusted source one needs to simply get that .sign file, and then run
gpg --verify [signature] [tarball]
I want a new world. I think this one is broken.
Try asking a random selection of 1000 people the following question: "Am I a thief if I make a tape of a friend's (copyrighted) CD?" (this is a form of copyright violation most people, even not computer literate, can understand and relate to). If you can honestly say that more than a small percentage will agree that you're a thief, then I think you're deluded.
Let me tell you what I believe. Firstly: I believe that the majority is not always right. They are living in a dreamworld so to speak. So you can not prove whether copyright violation is theft simply by asking people if it is.
Therefore let me present another example of copyright violation, and you can tell me whether or not it is theft.
Imagine that you own an engineering firm that designs heavy haul trucks. One of your engineers has resigned and taken a job elsewhere. Before he leaves he uploads your AutoCad drawings (like source code to the manufacturing business) to his server at home.
If I understand your point of view correctly he has not taken any physical item of worth from your company. He has only copied your designs. Therefore no theft has occurred.
I believe that copying, a copyrighted work is theft and it applies to all sorts of intellectual property such as proprietary software, AutoCad schematics, music, and art.
to use giFT.
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
It would be a man's moral right to kill a man he finds in bed with his wife. Still, that offers no salvation from the legal system.
Fear of punishment should keep them in line. That's separate from morality.
Then you'd better hope that you don't run into someone who thinks murder is ok...
Indeed, but the grandparent poster is still correct. We are socialized into certain morals. Some morals, such as murder being wrong, are held almost universally. Yet, there have been cultures such as the Romans with their gladiators that have somewhat trumped this moral law. Morals help glue society together, but they are never absolute, and are ultimately determined by the individual.
If you don't understand any of my sayings, come to me in private and I shall take you in my German mouth.