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Rings Digital Dailies Circled Globe via iPod

KD writes "During the making of the 'Rings' trilogy, Jackson and his crew upped the ante on Apple's innovative iPod storage technology, using it for filmmaking sessions during production on The Two Towers and The Return of the King. Media was transferred from Weta to Pinewood Studios in London. There Jackson then viewed the QuickTime files on an Apple Cinema Display, tied to his G4 laptop, which drew directly from his iPod. The director's setup was mirrored in New Zealand, and crew could step through shots with the help of their iPods, with Jackson's guidance piped in over a videoconferencing system. During the course of two movies and four months, 'Rings' iPods stored and served up nearly one-half terabyte of digitized footage from 'Towers' and 'King.'"

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  1. Versatile by pb_boi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which goes to show how rediculously versatile the iPods are in relation to almost anything. A task that important, for which they weren't designed, and STILL they're used, and STILL they perform amazingly well. Impressive. pb_boi

    1. Re:Versatile by pldms · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Versatile indeed.

      "Jackson then viewed those 1K-resolution QuickTime files on an Apple Cinema Display, tied to his G4 laptop, which drew directly from his iPod."

      I've been warned against using the iPod in this way. It was designed (I was told) for brief disk access, i.e. pulling the next x minutes of compressed music into ram. Sustained access, however, will invite disk problems due to cooling problems. (Indeed I find mine heats up noticeably when copying large amounts).

      Perhaps this quote is misleading. OTOH I guess their budget could cope with a few failures (unlike mine :-).

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    2. Re:Versatile by vandel405 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, what about the first time you plug it into your computer and it syncs 20gigs?

      I use mine in this fashion regulary.

    3. Re:Versatile by mj_1903 · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who writes software for the iPod all day, I can say without reservation that iPod's can stand up to this usage pattern. My iPod 5gb has been running basically non stop for 16 months in this mode with no adverse affects.

      My tips for cooling:
      - Keep the metal side up (the dock is fine)
      - Never cover your iPod while connected to your computer
      - Never place it metal side down while connected to your computer on a blanket/pillow or something similar
      - Place a small fan on it if you are very concerned

      I have not had my iPod go above touchable temperature (any of my iPod's, 5gb, 15gb, 40gb). Touchable from memory is around ~55C and hard drives can usually handle 60C quite fine.

  2. Slow news day? by rokzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not meaning to troll or anything, but surely anyone who cares about this kind of trivia (like me) would have known about it months ago when watching the TT DVD documentaries?

    are the slashdot editors trying to have a competition of who can post the oldest story?

  3. Odd irony by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Funny

    This could have well been the first time that scores of nerds would have wanted to copy something _off_ an ipod and onto the internet for their own entertainment.

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  4. Not exactly exciting news. by MountainMan101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone uses a portable large (10-20GB) USB harddrive to transfer data. Okay, so it was non-Microsoft. This would have been news if it had been new hardware/software/protocols, but honestly. Is this worthy of Slashdot?

    1. Re:Not exactly exciting news. by shockbeton · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other "news," the mighty Peter Jackson reportedly uses a telephone to transmit voice data in real-time to his mom. Rumors also suggest that he and other key players in the production of the widely acclaimed LotR trilogy purge their bodily waste into a toilet.

    2. Re:Not exactly exciting news. by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a tendency these days for even the technologists to look at a core technology wrapped up in a shiney new shell and view it as something essentially new and more technologically advanced.

      This tendency is "good" for the industry but financially draining for the customer. The entire software industry rests upon this tendency and the recent recession in the purchasing of software by business represents a crack in this point of view. Office 97 works.

      In point of fact the core technologies of all office software have been in place since the release of Visiscalc. Database, spreadsheet, text editor. Everything else is just variations on these and the latest new feature of Word is nothing more than a text editor macro attached to a button.

      It's akin to painting a disposable razor pink instead of orange and calling it "for women," a technique that works distressingly well.

      A Perl script wrapped up in Royal robes isn't "new technology" and a portable HD is just a portable HD.

      Maybe I need to make an iPod clone, put it in a titanium case and call it the "Movie Meister" or something.

      KFG

    3. Re:Not exactly exciting news. by Gumber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, there is a tendancy for technologists to look at new applications of technology and say: Thats no big deal, its just a perl script, or, thats no big deal, its just a portable hard disk. Bittorrent is nothing, its just a python script. This jaded attitude can blind them to the implications of technology change.

      Perhaps there is nothing new about this, but I'd suggest that it is an extreme illustration of a change that may have real implications.

      With the rise of the iPod, and similar devices, people are now in the habit of carrying around a significant amount of storage, in many cases, a 10 GB iPod is already enough to carry their entire corpus of personal files and settings, along with a decent sized collection of music.

      One thing to consider, is that this effectively gives people dramatically more effective bandwidth out of their homes. How might we, as technologists, make use of that fact to do cool and useful things?

  5. Also by sfraggle · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you watch The Two Towers Extended Edition commentary, you'll find that one of the crew was chased through the streets of London in the early hours of the morning one day by people who wanted to rob him. Fortunately he managed to get away and the iPod in his pocket with the entire film on didnt get leaked :)

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  6. One big ad for Apple by fruey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    And not in the Apple section (even as a subsection?)

    Kudos to the fact it was indeed the iPod, but it would be cheaper to use a generic portable hard drive, since this is movie footage and not soundtrack data. The iPod wasn't used for what it was designed for.

    The laptop needn't have been a G4 either, and they stuck in iSight as well. What they SHOULD be telling us is whether these things were purchased at RRP, at big discount, or given away for free by Apple...

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    1. Re:One big ad for Apple by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Kudos to the fact it was indeed the iPod, but it would be cheaper to use a generic portable hard drive, since this is movie footage and not soundtrack data. The iPod wasn't used for what it was designed for.
      The iPod was designed from the very beginning as a data storage device.

      Where else are you going to find something that small, with that much storage and speed, that also looks (to the general public) like nothing more than an mp3 player? For that price?

      The laptop needn't have been a G4 either, and they stuck in iSight as well.
      Professionals in the movie business use Macs because Macs can reliably do the job.

      If you want to get mired in the "needn't have been" excuses, well, they needn't have bothered to with digital dailies at all. In fact, why bother even making the movie.

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    2. Re:One big ad for Apple by Saven+Marek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. It's a bit of an apple fanboy story, something I doubt the veracity of. It didn't have to be an iPod , didn't have to be a G4 laptop, and didn't have to be a cinema display. Telling us the equipment used for the film is quite irrelevant.

      Would it have been the same story if it was a Dell DJ, on a Dell laptop, with a Dell monitor? No it wouldn't. I don't see what the fuss is about

    3. Re:One big ad for Apple by gobbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fuss is about this: a trendy consumer appliance is being used as a mission-critical device. It's a nerdy change in consumer behaviour that heralds something significant about the way technology is crossing professional/consumer boundaries.

      I have a co-worker who is directing/producing film and video and uses his iPod for just this purpose, both sneakernet and as a presentation external hard drive. Of course, he also loads it up with his music collection, and does the standard iPod-snob-ish "here, listen to this" sort of thing.

      Another interesting thing in this story is how these things are damn reliable, damn fast, damn flexible, and very well integrated into mac users' lives. They're being trusted with more important tasks than consumer devices typically get, and at the end of the day it's just something to put on your head and bop around with.

      No, I don't own one, but if I had to play large video files off an external portable drive, I wouldn't use a Dell, dude! Especially on a deadline. iPod + mac pc = time (and face) saved.

    4. Re:One big ad for Apple by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple never gives stuff away because of fame - you have to buy it like everyone else.

      There was an article in (printed) MacWorld a while ago about a bloke employed by Apple to go round to professional musicians and demo Apple kit to them.

      People like Paul McCartney and a few other big names have tried to blag Apple stuff for free, but they're always turned down.

  7. Batteries by Davak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the ipods were really going to have battery problems, surely somebody would have noticed during all these transfers.

    Anyway, chalk up one more iPod award...

    Assisted in obtaining The Return of the King 11 Oscar nominations

    All of that data transfer... and none of it got released to the public by "accident?" We should be ashamed at ourselves.

    Davak

  8. Quite frankly... by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is absolutely amazing. Yes, we all knew you could do stuff like this, but you'd never think of it until you read stuff like this. Not only is it a great MP3 player (I've owned three as well as MiniDisc players, it's hands down the best I've used), it's an amazingly fast firewire drive (although I find that formated for windows it's not as fast, perhaps HFS+ is a better file system then most think?) and I've noticed that while I use my iPod for storing papers, projects and movies to watch at friends houses, it screams. I think after hearing this those 40GB iPods are going to be the new pro-video clip bin. Sure, you won't fit an entire three hour epic movie's worth of footage in DV format on it, but it's good for fleshing out whole scenes. Plus it's widely supported for Windows and Mac so no worries (and Linux can mount them as a simple firewire drive if I stand correct...) Neat stuff. Hopefully we'll get video iPods this year, to combat those foreboding MS portable media players...

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  9. Dailies almost got stolen, too by jokkebk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I watched Two Towers extras where the fellow who was doing the transportation of iPods to Jackson's hotel told that he was almost robbed by two thugs following him one day.

    Thankfully the guy was pretty quick sprinter, so the dailies (and I even seem to recall that they exceptionally had the whole version on iPod that day) narrowly escaped the London underworld.

    As a funny sidenote, I don't think any beautiful women offered to plug their earpiece into iPod while waiting traffic lights, too bad for them. :)

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  10. Apple's next ad campaign? by darnok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder why Apple hasn't made more of this in their advertising. It seems that having possibly the highest-profile series of movies in many years put together using your gear would be worth telling people about.

    If the article is accurate, it's a great example of working globally that a lot of Apple's potential customers might want to hear about.

    It'd certainly attract more positive interest than those ridiculous "HP Invent" advertisements - they're just laughable. Every time I see a new one, I think "What the hell am I looking at?" which I suspect isn't the message HP wants to be getting across.

  11. funny quote during the article... by derekb · · Score: 5, Funny

    After spending time frustrated at the battery life of my ipod, I read this bit of sentence...

    Just as Frodo exists basically to transport that precious ring to where it needs to go, ..

    and thought about how many times I've wanted to send my ipod to the same firey doom..

    ahh but I couldn't do that to the little guy..

  12. One big advertisement by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article seems to read like one big advertisement. It mentions no less than four specific Apple technologies that are really nothing special and could be replaced by other cheaper technologies. I understand that it may be cool because it's on an iPod, but honestly, do you need to mention the Apple Cinema Display??

    *sighs as his karma falls*

    joshua

  13. what we do by snatchitup · · Score: 4, Informative

    We actually use broadband to transfer our digital daily "rough-cuts" as they're known in the industry.

    We use these guys' to software to help us manage it.

    It's amazing how many TBytes flow back and forth. And admittingly in the current reality, it's not a smooth process. Funny thing is, the hard-drive sizes change so rapidly, but the system planning isn't based on this. No one has gone said... You know, this system will be so cheap to build because in about a year, you'll be able to walk across the street and buy a Terabyte hard-drive at Best buy for about $400. Why not just plan on a cheap server farm of about 20 pc's each with about 3x1TB of disk space.

    Throughput hasn't been too big an issue, it's dealing with all the anomalies of the formats and simple things such as. MPEg vs. JPEG vs. PAL

  14. Never Underestimate... by erpbridge · · Score: 5, Funny

    the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with iPods.

  15. News for Nerds by kinnell · · Score: 5, Funny
    My tips for cooling:

    you forgot:

    • Put a cup of liquid nitrogen on it
    • Modify the case to incorporate an overly expensive liquid cooling rig
    • Drill a hole for a firewire cable into your USB mini refrigerator
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  16. Seems to me pretty stupid too by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you compare the price of an IPod to a 200 GB hard drive, it seems to me that for storing video footage it's the most stupid solution ever. An exteral USB or Firewire case and a couple of 200 GB drives would have been:

    - cheaper

    - faster (I don't think the IPod comes even close to a 7200 RPM drive)

    - able to store a lot more data

    Or here's another random thought: if they're sending data all the way across the globe, exactly what's the unprecedented advantage of sending an iPod instead of a DVD-R? No, seriously.

    Of course, seein' the usual "even a fart smells sweet if it's got the Apple logo" crowd on Slashdot, maybe it's worthy of Slashdot after all.

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    1. Re:Seems to me pretty stupid too by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Size. It's a hell of a lot easier to carry an iPod as carryon than a 200 GB harddrive (which will get banged about in the overhead bin), or heaven forbid in checked baggage (where it will be delayed by 2-3 days every 10th flight or so). And if 200 GB is preferable for size to the iPod, how can you logically argue in favor of the DVD-R which is only 4.7 GB? You can't have it both ways.

      Fact is, it's a nice formfactor and a good size/capacity compromise.

  17. Enforced DRM by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just goes to show you what enforced DRM and EULA's will do. Hardware and software manufacturers should always let us utilize their products the way we need to, not the way they want us to. You start throwing DRM into the mix and that limits the usefulness of the product. Go iPod!

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  18. Apple leads the way in the digital creative arts by SPYDER+Web · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They really know what the artist needs. Apple has become the art supply store for the world. Being able to take any work no matter what medium and help with its creation is truly a wonderful thing. I am not a big apple supporter but its hard to argue with the impact apple has from Pixar animation to Lord of the rings. Every musician, film maker, and digital artist has an apple for a reason.

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  19. Why using an iPod vs external HD makes sense: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Physical security. Half the planet would have loved to steal the dailies from LoTR and more than a few were possibly actively looking to get their hands on them.

    - The iPod is smaller than most dedicated external drives and thus easier to conceal and transport.
    - The iPod looks like, well, an iPod and might not raise suspicions that they are actually storing the dailies, if word does not get out.

    While an iPod in itself is a huge thief magnate, it inspires more casual theft from lax owners than attracting the eye of a more determined, professional thief.

    I mean, who would get suspicious of a bunch of movie types walking around with iPods?

    Anonymous Joe