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A Deep Space Primer
phil reed writes "With the latest Mars missions still in the news, people might be curious about what it takes to actually run a deep space mission: how a spacecraft is designed, how the communications are handled, what kind of project management is in place to make it all work. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory has a primer online that gives broad general coverage of all aspects of putting a satellite into orbit and how to manage it once it's there. Fascinating reading, with lots of links to more detail."
Fuck you all, damn linux zealots.
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No hint of political bias or other snappy remarks? I don't know what's real anymore!
I am waiting for Build your own space mission For Dummies to come to my local B&N.
It is so mind boggling when you think aabout the actual costs to make one of these mars rovers and how much it costs to send it up in space. After all these are basically disposable because they most likely will never get them bac unless we make a succesfull manned mission to mars.
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There are a lot of smart, dedicated, and *unsung* heroes at JPL. NASA tends to get all the celebrity, but JPL deserves it just as much. Thanks to all who are working on our Mars missions and the various other missions that are increasing our knowledge of our universe and ourselves.
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Too many windows on your screen may tax computer "power" causing animations to run too slowly, but if they're too fast, you might choose to run additional programs to use up computing power and slow the animations.
So it looks like JPL's also providing a newbie guide on "tweaking your system." :-)
I'd like to see how someone with a 3.0 GHz PC handles this...
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Hm,
I don't think NASA read this because it doesn't have a section on how to lose and/or destroy a billion dollar project. They should have discussed the multiple ways to do it, ex: There's the mess-up-the-conversion-from-english-to-metric approach and then there's the we-just-plain-lost-contact approach.
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Ah, the story of life.
They forgot the statutory warning.
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It's nice to see that space exploration has come so far in my lifetime. When I was a boy during WWII, travel to Mars, even by machines, was just science fiction, and the stuff of magazine covers. Most of the world's scientists and engineers were at work developing weapons of war, and for some of them, rockets, high altitude airplanes, etc. were allowed projects that laid the foundation for today's space miracles.
Now that we can also build a spaceship to go to Mars, I vote we send Bill Gates and Darl McBride. Bill can have the moon. Darl can have Mars. Then we can setup an "asteriods" like game and use the new monopoly planets as targets. Our game would run on Linux of course since MS would be on the moon and UNIX would be on Mars.
As well as the intarweb.Since then my accomplishments have sufferd.I managed to lose the Presidential election as an incumbent VP after years of prosperity.Recently I endorsed the Democratic front-runner leading to his ridicule and decline.I'm the biggest loser whoever lived(except for people who studied IT at DeVry).I should have had sex with my hot daughters when they were younger.Hell Clinton did Chelsea and she is a 2-bagger skank even worse than her mother and he was elected President---TWICE!!!
On the first quiz on the Solar System, on the questions that you can select multiple answers it keeps telling me I didn't select any answer, and marks it as wrong.
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The Russian, Europeans, and Japanese aren't even close to us. We have escaped the solar system, rendevoused with comets, and reached on far off planets and moons.
This has benefited science everywhere. But let's give credit where credit is due, the United States of America, land of the Free.
Only such a free, rich, and strong country like America could have conquered Space like this.
I am Truly Proud to be an American.
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the jpl's web peeps use tags?
batman touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his batmobile and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told batman the city would not approve of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free.
Can you believe it? Batman did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the batmobile's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
They definately were red flag touches. the goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did batman care? NO WAY! He just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with Mr. Wayne but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a wealthy man touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
This got to him, worrying about his image. He continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring the referee's red flags. Then he drove the batmobile to my house and *ejected the seat I was in*! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it!!! Can you believe it?
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When I first read the title I thought it said "Deep Space Printer"
This type of careful planning and careful execution is useful for any endeavour with long or expensive feedback cycles. That includes terrestrial tasks like creating nuclear powerplants. Too many engineers have a hands-on, tweak-and-see hacker mentality, where projects like Mars rovers, nukes (and many other projects)need to work as planned right out of the box.
A former boss and engineer had a great story about his early job experience designing circuits for a guided missile. He showed his first circuit design to the boss and the boss noted all the little adjustable pots in the circuit. The boss simply said, "Are you going to fly with that missile to tweak all the pots?"
Although simulations, testing, and prototyping are great, truely great engineering just works because it was designed correctly from the beginning to just work.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
veerryy sloowwly. What is it? 20 minutes to mars and back? Light speed won't cut it when we talk about going anywhere farther than the moon. At our current level of comprehension, it's just not practical to go any father than Mars. We need to dream up something entirely different. Something that works like a very long tube filled with ping pong balls for example. Push one into one end and one pops out the other instantly, no matter how long the tube. I'm sure somebody has thought of this and has a name for it, but I sure don't know what it is.
What?
Humans have yet to perform any "Deep space" exploration.
The Voyager missions come the closest, but still remain fairly near home, on any meaningful interstellar scale.
The linked article discusses interplanetary exploration. Quite a bit of a difference.
Oh my God. You used the correct form of "it's". It's a miracle!
Is Mars Deep Space? Shouldn't that term at least be reserved for regions outside the solar system? Or is that "Outer Space"?
20 minutes to mars and back? Light speed won't cut it when we talk about going anywhere farther than the moon.
Its more than just the long delay. Interplanetary networking is quite tricky due to the limited bandwidth, line-of-sight interruptions, the need to slew expensive high-gain antennas into precise scheduled pointing directions, as well as the massive levels of latency.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
But I look forward to the day when we can develop space hardware the same incremental way we develop other things.
Absolutely! I look forward to a range of advancements such as lower cost access to space (personal fav is a space elevator), truely routine manned space operations, and better adaptive/autonomous robotic systems.
Yet I fear that the foreseeable future (next 20 years at least) will be dominated by rare and expensive space projects in which every lauch counts and every EVA-hour is carefully scripted and rehearsed.
Its a vicious loop, really. Because space is expensive, space projects are very carefully planned and executed. And because space projects are so carefully planned and executed, they are expensive.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Edwards seems more genuine and can beat the bush.
Maybe it's my browser but I got kinda disappointed with the first quiz - it keeps saying "Wrong, no selection made." on each of the checkbox responses - no matter which ones I check.
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I couldn't imagine JPL putting up a web quiz that didn't work - I mean, that'd be like having different modules in a probe using different units of measurement.... oh, yeah, oops...
I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down...
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Page 2 of the article: "The're controlled by imbedded JavaScript."
It's not rocket science, really.
Anything close enough will do.
The iridium network has only one location on the planet where communications actually uplinks and downlinks to land communications. Of course they have the ability to communicate to any one of the three or four sites if one were to fail, but it would only use one at any given time.
So if you made a call in antartica on a iridium sat phone to someone on a land line it would back haul the traffic using line of sight communications leap frogging each satalite before having the uplink/downlink to the ground. So I think it was a total of like 6 hops or something max unless there were of course other issues with the network, it could reroute through any visible satalites.
So the bandwidth of the entire network is limited to that one uplink/downlink which rotates satalites on an almost hourly basis. So it's not like they could make 1 satalite that could support more bandwidth communication to the ground than the others, they're all built the same. Any iridium sataliate can take the place of any other.
I know it's way off topic, but interesting to me none the less..
So any Quake style twitch gamers we send up to remote-control our battle borgs are gonna be righteously pissed after they find out they are no longer LPBs?
"But... but... my 802.11b lan works GREAT at home. WTF is wrong with you stupid NASA engineers?!?!"
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Then how about just use a really long stick to push back and forth. Where is the compression there?
Just kidding, of course.
Not true. To design something very complicated like an aircraft or Mars rover there are *many* models and experimentation done, because almost all textbook equations are only approximations of reality.
Excellent point. My heat transfer prof warned us that the equations in the textbook would get answers that had as much as 30% error (if you were lucky). And, IIRC, some theories in material science only yield answers that are within an order of magnitude (factor of 10) of the true value.
But what I was alluding to was robustness -- designs that aren't affected by approximation errors (or the inevitable measurement errors when you build and test a prototype). Some of this is a matter of factors of safety (overdesign) but the truely great engineers create designs that are insensitive to encountered variations. At some level the ability of the Rover team to correct the recent faults represents this type of robustness. Yes, they are tweaking and hacking, but it was only because of a robust, remotely fixable design that let them do this.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
There's so much trouble that could have easily been solved if that energy was put to more urgent matters
hunger for example-one person dies every five seconds of hunger!
but(t) then again, weapons are for war war makes money and money is the goal of every kapitalist
and sure, why not be proud that your country sent rovers to mars while your fellow human being a mere 20000miles orso away is dying of hunger(or illegal wars-that makes more money)
6bilion wel fed people will get faster to mars in a shorter timespan...ach.. hell...,
Bush can't wait that long, he wants the credit all for himself, and the American people need to vote this year, so their minds should not dwell on 500+ unnessacery deaths..Oh yeah, also about 10000Iraqi's but those are not people according to USadmin they are collateral damage.
How's that for respect of (human) life, or lack thereof
You peeps should not be allowed to mess up other planets before you clean up the mess over here!
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Put money and team into a lab and let sit for a few years, or until product becomes feasable. Remove result from lab, and load onto rocket. Launch rocket for Mars, and Enjoy!
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Too many windows on your screen may tax computer "power" causing animations to run too slowly, but if they're too fast, you might choose to run additional programs to use up computing power and slow the animations.
I do this all the time when my computer at work is working so fast. Start a bunch of programs, sit back in your chair, and slack.
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Like you, I thought that "deep space" meant between solar systems (or at least outside our own). People seem to be using it as "beyond low earth orbit."
Sigh. Another technical term gets co-opted and perverted.
NASA used to have a project devoted to seriously studying what it would take to achieve interstellar travel. Unfortunately, funding for it got cut off in 2002. However, they did manage to publish several papers and still have their results online at the BPP site.
Here is a quote from the abstract of one of their papers:
I suggest reading "The Case for Mars." Zubrin talks about a Mars mission in good detail and how it could be achieved today.
The first quiz is broken. It says I didn't give answers to two questions (3 and 5) when I gave the correct answers. Looks like it was thrown together in a hurry to begin with. Some of the multiple-guess questions use radio buttons and others just use check boxes. Maybe it's cause I'm using a non-IE browser?
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Yeah, I thought of that a long time ago too. Probably because of my twisted take on Archimedes' famous expression about having a big enough lever. I had reasoned that if the stick were a light-year long, then the energy would reach the other end at the same time as light. That compression-thingy-reason apparently ruins it. Of course if the stick were 100 light-years long, would the energy get there faster than light?
Perhaps if we built a large, woooden badger . . .
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Calling the almost insignificant distance between Earth and Mars "deep space" is like calling ankle-deep water at your local becah "deep ocean".
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It's too bad that tutorial has been on that site for couple of years. That's probably why the quiz doesn't work. Not to mention that half the links are already dead! :(
Space is big.
Space is dark.
It's hard to find
a place to park.
Burmashave.
Is this stuff taught in Evil Medical School anyway, or did NASA just enable a whole bunch of aspiring super-villains to launch their own death star?
Maybe they had a radio button/check box conversion problem.
The human condition is the need to explore.
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