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New Microscope Shows Nano-Fibre Formation

Freshly Exhumed writes "An article, with mpeg and avi movies, in Chemical and Engineering News describes how researchers from Danish high-tech firm Haldor Topsoe and the Danish Technical University have made a groundbreaking discovery in the field of nano-research. With the help of a specially designed microscope, researchers can now directly observe carbon nano-fibre formation. This is a prelude to actually controlling the growth of the fibres, which up until now has been very problematic. The new microscope's impact is expected to have tremendous significance for the development of future electronic components, energy extraction, and environmental technology."

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  1. Growing Nanofibers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've found growing carbon nanofibers by decomposing hydrocarbon gases on solid catalysts very intriguing. The main problem that they have faced is that it has been very difficult to probe the fundamental steps that drive the growth, in part because of the high temperature and pressure required to sustain the reaction.

    It looks like they have somehow found a way around this problem.

  2. Space elevator, here we come!! by stephenisu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The implications for this are amazing. If we had a working space elevator, getting to mars would cost next to nothing, relative to todays costs of breaking low earth orbit.

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    1. Re:Space elevator, here we come!! by Rostin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Notwithstanding the hideous cost of the space elevator, you are correct.

    2. Re:Space elevator, here we come!! by elf-fire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are the costs really hideous? Given the potential it could be a viable business given a longer range business plan.

  3. Title? by CleverNickedName · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't that read "New Nanoscope Shows Nano-Fibre Formation"

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  4. Step by strike2867 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a very small step up the ladder to massproducing nano particles. When you need millions to be produced cheap enough to be profitable for business, a microscope that can see one at a time isnt that helpful, just makes one of the steps in the process a bit cheaper.

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    1. Re:Step by BigBadBri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No - the real help is that being able to video the fibre formation helps in understanding the reaction dynamics, which is important.

      This could lead to improvements in catalyst design, maybe to new methods of production with the sort of yield that will make these nanofibres economically viable.

      Well done the Danes, I say.

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  5. Implications of nano-technology by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    [bigbrother-mode] Forget RFID, what if in say 50 years, every baby gets a little nano-computer implanted that is fed by bio-electricity ? This is some scary shit even though it could have some practical uses. A biomonitor that will give you a signal (on your mobile with wireless technology), location tracing (for if you get lost as a child) [/bigbrother-mode] Still cool tech though :)

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    1. Re:Implications of nano-technology by AtlanticGiraffe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bio-electricity? Fibers? Does this mean that when it'll be time to upgrade, you can just eat your old cpu?

      I can see the ads already... New Intel MyTanium - now with chocholate flavor!

    2. Re:Implications of nano-technology by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ["A biomonitor that will give you a signal (on your mobile with wireless technology)"]

      Why bother carrying a "mobile" when you're already toting around a processor the size of a flea's earlobe inside you? All it'd have to do to report to you is transmit the info directly into your nervous system (which it's already hooked up to in the first place ) and Presto! no worry about the info being intercepted and decoded by Wal-Mart so they know whether you need toothpaste (or Viagra, or Odor Eaters, etc...) and send a message of their own to your handheld device.

      So, does this stuff have the potential to be abso-freaking-lutely COOL? Sure! Does it also have the potential to be an equally terrifying nightmare? Sure! Just look at how "cool" the automobile is compared to a covered wagon:
      1. MUCH faster (cross country: days -vs- months)
      2. more convenient (inclement weather? Who cares!)
      3. more effective ("perishables" less likely to perish, resulting in expansion of produce markets, etc.)
      4. more comfortable (hot? A/C! cold? Heat!)
      Now, let's consider how "terrifying" the automobile is -vs- the covered wagon:
      1. top speed approx. 10X (take somebody from 1862 for a little drive at 90mph and listen for their heart to explode!)
      2. if you don't have to worry about the horse freezing to death, you might be more likely to get out on a night that's literally "not fit for man nor beast", and get yourself frozen to death
      3. Things (and, *gasp!* ideas) move around so much faster we can't keep up!
        1. no matter WHAT the mode of travel, people carry germs with them; faster cross-country transit times for people = faster cross-country transit times for germs
        2. Upheaval in markets/supply lines (Suddenly nobody wants to buy my cleverly-concocted artificial orange flavoring in Massachusetts - formerly my best customers - because the real thing is available year-round at about the same cost from Florida!)
      4. Like it or not, riding around in a covered wagon will make you tough (either that or it'll kill you...); if we start driving these newfangled "automobiles" instead of our trusty old covered wagons, we're liable to go soft and get lazy!
      All that, and we still haven't considered how many people (not to mention squirrels and puppies) are run down by speeding automobiles every year (that's not to say there wasn't the occassional smushing of a squirrel or clueless pedestrian back in the "horse-and-buggy" days, but still...)
      My point: (betcha thought I wasn't going to end up having one, didn't you?)
      every revolution we can see coming sparks fear and dread in the population about to undergo said revolution, mostly because it upsets the "status-quo"; whether or not they admit it most people prefer the familiar to the unfamiliar and change is upsetting to our basic nature (got an infant handy? Try effecting a drastic change in his/her sleeping or eating schedule sometime -- you'll hear complaints. Loud complaints.) Does the fact that this "revolution" is being received almost exactly as previous ones were mean that we're silly to consider the implications and we should instead rush headlong into the unknown? Of course not, but history tells us that once the dust settles we'll all be better off (generally speaking, that is...)
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  6. Micro, Nano... Tecto? by smack_attack · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just taking a wild guess with the subject, but does anyone know what comes after nano? Eventually we're going to get there and I wanted to know what the name was, maybe it's something cool like hyper or jigga.

    1. Re:Micro, Nano... Tecto? by Qwerpafw · · Score: 5, Informative
      What's smaller than nano? (Keep in mind that nano means "one billionth", or unit * 10^-9)

      pico (symbol is "p") is 10^-12, or one-thousandth of a nano.

      femto (symbol is "f") is 10^-15, or one-millionth of a nano.

      atto (symbol is "a") is 10^-18, or one-billionth of a nano (nano means one-billionth, so atto is one billionth of a billionth)

      zepto (symbol is "z") is 10^-21, or nano divided by one trillion.

      yocto (symbol is "y") is 10^-24, or nano divided by one quadrillion.

      Yocto would be one-millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a unit. That's very small.

    2. Re:Micro, Nano... Tecto? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The ultimate is the Planck unit, which is roughly 10^-33 of a meter, or one thousandths of a billionth of a nano (or something like that). The size is usually stated as 1.6 x 10^-35.

      This is the size at which quantum effects dominate, and according to string theorists, is the size you start to see many more dimensions that the usual 4 (I've heard from 6 to 10 dimensions exist at this scale).

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  7. Re:Waving the National Flag by Channard · · Score: 5, Funny
    My knowledge on nano technology is very limited, but I just want congratulate the Danish scientist! It's great that we can keep up in this field considering that we are a relatively small country.

    First pastries and bacon, now this. Is there anything the Danish can't do?

  8. Re:mmmm by Molina+the+Bofh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you have a small nanotube ? Girls laugh at you ? No problem. You can make it grow... Fast.

    Your nanotube can grow up to 2-5 inches per month with our 100% natural and patented herbal carbon solution. No surgery needed, no risks. Thousands of happy customers around the globe. Just send me $50.

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  9. Bad step by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is the first step to nanobots successfully self-replicating, overrunning our feeble flesh and blood bodies in the quest for total world domination.

    I'm glad I moved my family up here to the hills.

  10. Re:Waving the National Flag by FePe · · Score: 2, Funny
    "First pastries and bacon, now this. Is there anything the Danish can't do?"

    Play American football...

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  11. server suicide by flogger · · Score: 4, Informative

    It has been a long time since 5 meg video files posted on slashdot haven;t been, well, slashdotted. mirror is at this spot.

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  12. Re:Who knew? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  13. Re:Waving the National Flag by allanj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not much, but based on personal experience, having sex with more than three supermodels at a time seems just plain impossible.


    You're obviously not danish then...

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  14. pardon me by cyfer2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    may be a little off topic, but I feel it is very important.

    The avi files are from http://pubs.acs.org, millions of researchers and professors and students in chemistry related areas arround the world need this web site to read publications from ACS.

    So please don't /. this website. Especially, if you are not really interest in the avi files, don't click them.

    Thank you.

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  15. Environmental SEM by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This type of scanning electron microscopy is fairly new (~10-15 yrs), but it's not a Danish invention... a lot of places make and sell these microscopes. Traditional SEM requires sputter coating your subject with gold or osmium, something really electron dense to get a good conduction and bounceback. You "shine" electrons at your subject, they bounce back, you detect them. All well and good, but the coating process meant some artifacts were introduced, and you killed your subject. The detection had be done under high vacuum, and it had to be dry, so water and air wouldn't scatter the electrons and ruin your imaging.

    Environmental SEM (or "variable pressure" SEM) puts the subject in a chamber that's isolated from the electron emitter/detector by a thin membrane. The separation allows for different pressures and atmospheres around the detector and the subject. From an informative website(http://www.itg.uiuc.edu/ms/equipment/micro scopes/esem/): "When the electron beam (primary electrons) ejects secondary electrons from the surface of the sample, the secondary electrons collide with water molecules, which in turn function as a cascade amplifier, delivering the secondary electron signal to the positively biased gaseous secondary electron detector (GSED). Because they've lost electrons in this exchange, the water molecules are positively ionized, and thus they are forced/attracted toward the specimen (which may be nonconductive and uncoated), serving to neutralize the negative charge produced by the primary electron beam."

    You can take live action shots of wee beasties or watch crystals grow, live, rather than having to take snapshots of stopped processes.

    Very cool.

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  16. Not much ... by zonix · · Score: 4, Informative
    First pastries and bacon, now this. Is there anything the Danish can't do?

    Not much. Perhaps you recognize these guys?

    • Tycho Brahe (astronomy)
    • Niels Bohr (physics)
    • Bjarne Stroustrup (C++ creator)
    • Hans Christian Andersen, Soeren Kierkegaard, Karen Blixen (tales, essays, short stories)
    • Victor Borge (comedy)
    • Bille August (movie director)
    • Carl Nielsen (classical composer)
    • Arne Jacobsen (designer - the father of modern danish design)

    They're all Danes. Perhaps some interesting companies too:

    • Novo (largest supplier of insulin, creator of the world smallest syringes - a perfect combo)
    • Lego (well)
    • Carlberg (mmmm... beer)
    • Maersk (shipping inddustry - look for the star logo)

    We're also the worlds largest producer of windmills, I believe? We can do pretty much everything.

    I don't know about the pastries. A "Danish" as you know it, is not called a Dasish in Denmark - it's not even believed to be Danish, if I'm not mistaken? :-)

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    1. Re:Not much ... by IdleTime · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is correct, A Danish is actually from Austria and is called, the more appropriate "Wienerbrod", translates in English to "Bread from Vienna"

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  17. Re:mmmm by tc9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just don't send us the AVI

  18. Mars?? by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The implications for this are amazing. If we had a working space elevator, getting to mars would cost next to nothing, relative to todays costs of breaking low earth orbit.

    What about breaking low Mars orbit? Sending people to Mars is only half the problem. Getting them back is the other half. Sure, Mars is smaller than Earth, but it isn't THAT small. WHat are ya gonna do, send half of NASA to Mars to build a launch pad/control center/space elevator?? Are they gonna live there for a 10 years or whatever while the means of getting home is assembled and tested? Even if you could ship prefabricated facilities, you'd need a lot of equipment/tools. You have all the cost problems all over again (probably worse). SUre, we might have this kind of thing there eventually (like 75 years from now), but not one person can leave Mars until this stuff is in place. They are essentially stranded. Personally, i'd rather be stranded on Gilligan's Island. At least the weather was nice there.

    I guess a space elevator would be neat, but come on, get your head out of clouds.

    -matthew

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    1. Re:Mars?? by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just send them an ACME Do-It-Yourself Space Elevator Kit!

      One complete space elevator tailored for Martian use. Pack it up, send it over, put it into geo-stationary orbit where you want it, and drop anchor. This can probablty all be done remotely.

      If I'm not mistaken, that's pretty much how they (currently) plan to build on for Earth: Unreel a starter cable from above and anchor it. Only difference is the crawlers that go up and down the starter cable to reinforce it would have to start at the top.
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Mars?? by cflorio · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yes, exactly.

      The only problem with the one for Mars are the Mars moons. The Martian moons are much closer to Mars than our is, so close in fact that the elevator will have to dodge the moons.

      I read that the elevator would have to dodge these moons several times a day. This is all detailed in the Space Elevator Book

  19. A TEM, not an ESEM! by MZdoctor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well intended Fun Guy, but unfortunately irrelevant. As indicated by the AC above, images such as these are only possible with a transmission electron microscope or TEM, at least for now and in the foreseeable future. Atomic resolution requires at least 200 kV electron acceleration voltage, immersion type magnetic objective lenses (lenses where the specimen is at the point of maximum magnetic field), and detection of the weakly scattered high energy primary electrons, not the occasional low energy secondary electrons.

    The amount of "bounceback" or backscattering - as it's known as in the field - from a few carbon atoms is too small to be of any use and would be completely swamped by the backscattered (and the secondary) electrons from the gazillions of water molecules surrounding the specimen in an ESEM. The specimen has to be in a near perfect vacuum in order to avoid that. Read the second paragraph of your description which explains that the ESEM detects the secondary electrons, not the backscattered primary electrons.

    The TEM itself is basically off-the-shelf machinery. Nevertheless only very experienced microscopists can coax such performance from a TEM and then only after countless hours of patient toil. Chapeau from a colleague, guys!

    1. Re:A TEM, not an ESEM! by SB9876 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed, getting an HV TEM to get carbon lattice images at 500 C and with gasses being fed into the column is pretty damned impressive. One has to wonder, however, about the effect of the electron beam flux on the nanotube formation.

      I used to work with a guy doing extremely low-loss EELS (plasmon edge stuff) and he found that he had to drop the accelerating voltage to 100kV to prevent nanotube deterioration. Though, he was working on small single-wall tubes, not the big, multi-walled behemoths you see in these images. At 200kV, he believed that he was actually seeing enough knock-on energy to produce electron-postitron pairs.

      (It still never ceases to amaze me that I can use the work 'big' to describe something that's probably 100nm in diameter)