How Homing Pigeons Navigate
goombah99 writes "Over the years there has been much research and speculation on how homing pigeons navigate. The assumption has been they need some novel sensory mechanism to give them north-south orientation information. Theories included magnetic field sensitivty and polarized light sensitivity, other possibilies include analysing the motion of the sun. But British researchers appear to have cracked the case: they follow roads and landmarks and don't require special senses. Birds, it seems, actually follow the longer as-the-dog-walks path of the road, even circling over round-abouts rather than the straight 'as-the-bird-flies' path one would expect if they used absolute position sensing."
Time for another update to RFC1149 ;)?
The classic essay on "worse is better" is either misunderstood
So, how do they navigate over water? This report would indicate that pidgeons are incapable of crossing, say, the English Channel. This could be tested easily by taking a pidgeon to France and seeing if it can find it's way home...
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You mean Walder Pidgeon? I'm sorry, I always got him confused with Arthur Treacher. I know one of them had fish and chips. Both were actors.
Birds obviously have great memories. Parrots and certain other species can memorize sounds perfectly (and play them back). It's no wonder that they can memorize landmarks with similar perfection.
Now this doesn't eliminate the idea that they can sense magnetic lines, giving them an ability to memorize things that we don't see, especially for flights over water.
So THAT explains why my connection always gets so laggy when there's construction on the roads!
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The (very short) article says that the birds will home in the firsttime a flight is done using thier own "navigational system". It does say after many flights they settle in on a routine path, that tends to follow roads. As if (big surprise!) its easier to follow the landmarks that to use that "navigational system".
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Once again the slashdot blurb completely misrepresents the article. Good work guys
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I work in a lab examining Avian Visual Psychology -
there's a great online text edited by the Professor I work for completely free with sample videos and works by many of the great researchers in this field:
http://www.pigeon.psy.tufts.edu
So, in essence what they are saying is that we can minimize RTT (Round Trip Time) delays when using RFC 1149 "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers" by painting huge lines on the ground directly between source and destination? I'm sure network implementers will cooing with joy at this revelation!
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I must rant in traditional /. fashion. Here goes:
I AM APALLED by the fact that one would even suggest such as stupid theory. Listen up guys: Enough of this silly "they follow the roads stuff" Some of us are actually trying to make money off this "imaginary" magnetic-ion-built-in-GPS navigation system that pigeons DO in fact have. If you keep putting out simple explanations to things like this, you're gonna run the rest of us lunatic scientists out of business. We NEED those government grants!
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Now back to finishing my 5 assed pigeon....
I believe this may be a way for the pigeons to adapt their inate skills to the modern world. I believe in pre-civilization times the birds would have followed rivers and waterways like they are following the roads today.
It would be interesting to do a study in an area without roads and population to see if this is indeed the case.
-molo
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where Bernie is the affectionate name given to pigeon 37.
... not to mention that we could maybe train them to poop on slow drivers. :)
Think about it. A local news agency opens up a dozen or so little offices distributed around your city. It then trains pigeons to go to and from a couple of the offices, and attaches a small video camera with a decent transmitter to Bernie's leg. Since the pigeons follow roads, you'll have a live feed (no pun intended) of the road every pigeon is flying over.
Better yet, it seems likely that a greater number of pigeons will follow major roads, and fewer follow minor roads. That's more coverage of the main arteries, exactly what we need. And if you attach a GPS unit, you can localize which PigeonFeed (TM) you want to look at.
Sure beats millions of dollars for helicopters and thousands more for fuel
*blinking cursor*
The British have become pros at determining the migratory patterns of small, insignificant birds. Why, back in the 12th century, England's own king was doing similar research on swallows...
SOLDIER #1: Where'd you get the coconuts?
ARTHUR: We found them.
SOLDIER #1: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut's tropical!
ARTHUR: What do you mean?
SOLDIER #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
SOLDIER #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
ARTHUR: Not at all. They could be carried.
SOLDIER #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk!
SOLDIER #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
ARTHUR: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
SOLDIER #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
ARTHUR: Please!
SOLDIER #1: Am I right?
ARTHUR: I'm not interested!
SOLDIER #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
SOLDIER #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
SOLDIER #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah.
SOLDIER #1: So, they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway.
[clop clop clop]
SOLDIER #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
SOLDIER #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
SOLDIER #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
SOLDIER #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
SOLDIER #2: Well, why not?
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Perhaps they could use use the pigeons *to* determine best routes for motorists?
> Perhaps they could use use the pigeons *to* determine best routes for motorists?
Straight over mountains, straight across lakes, straight over canyons! Brilliant!
Then they must also hate Los Angeles...
Let's just hope they don't use airport runways for guidance!
Why, no, not at all. If you look closely at /. stories in the past few months, you'll find others from Al Jazeera. Also, if you go to new.google.com, you'll find them well represented in the top stories. In particular, they've had good summaries of a lot of technical and scientific stories.
;-)
You'd think that the Al Jazeera folks are trying to be a respected news source or something.
(I was trying hard not to say "fair and balanced.
Their Middle-East reporting makes for interesting reading, too. They often give you a somewhat different slant than Western news services.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
However, this brings up a question: Prior to industrialization, how did they navigate? What about prior to human habitation of areas? Or did they only begin to become homing pigeons when they had definite paths to follow?
Of course, this totally screws up the Airspeed-Velocity of an Unladen Swallow because velocity is a vector, and vectors require a direction....And we thought we had that figured out! Damn!
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I read this article on BBC a last week. If you would like to, you can read it here.
CNN also carried a story on this.
Some more news sites that carried this news are
How do homing pigeons navigate ?
Pigeons navigate 'by following roads'
Pigeons take the highway
The homing pigeon's ploy: follow that road
Pigeons home in on the roads
I was a little surprised that out of all the news sites, someone picked it up on Al jazeera... Not that I have anything against any news channel....
Maybe flying along a motorway takes less energy because of the rising air.
I bet the bird were glad the Romans came along.
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Other potentially contributing factors (:
Roads are warmer in winter.
It's safer: the local falcons have learned it's useless to knock down prey that will just become road pancakes.
They are bred pet pigeons who have evolved/bred to follow roads because it gives their chasing owners a satisfying spectator experience and the safest route home to provide the next meal.
what i dont understand is the part ...
...
where the homing pigeon gets born
in london and gets transported in
a cage to paris and will fly home
to london if released
when they're transported in the cage
do they have to be able to see where
they're transported to or else they
won't find home?
maybe they can navigate by looking
at wave pattern
this is prolly just bullsh.t.
it's been proven that they have
small magnets in their brains and
can "see" the magnetic field lines
with it. also the earth magnetic
field isn't the same everywhere just
like gravity isn't the same everywhere.
you can (could) jump further at the
equater, etc.
"pigeons are a one way packet"
But what about the chance of finding food along the way? Maybe the pigeons have also learned that there's lots of thrown-away sandwiches & packets of crisps along motorways.....those flying rats...
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I find it amazing that pigeons (some other animals included) are able to so perfectly memorize a route after only one pass-over. To be honest, I tend to get lost after just a few streets into my downtown area. Would this suggest a highly specialized memory or mindset? A parallel might be drawn between this and times when humans are highly aroused (extreme situations involving internal stimulants) where memories tend to be much more vivid. Has anyone run into any information on this?
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