How Homing Pigeons Navigate
goombah99 writes "Over the years there has been much research and speculation on how homing pigeons navigate. The assumption has been they need some novel sensory mechanism to give them north-south orientation information. Theories included magnetic field sensitivty and polarized light sensitivity, other possibilies include analysing the motion of the sun. But British researchers appear to have cracked the case: they follow roads and landmarks and don't require special senses. Birds, it seems, actually follow the longer as-the-dog-walks path of the road, even circling over round-abouts rather than the straight 'as-the-bird-flies' path one would expect if they used absolute position sensing."
Time for another update to RFC1149 ;)?
The classic essay on "worse is better" is either misunderstood
Birds obviously have great memories. Parrots and certain other species can memorize sounds perfectly (and play them back). It's no wonder that they can memorize landmarks with similar perfection.
Now this doesn't eliminate the idea that they can sense magnetic lines, giving them an ability to memorize things that we don't see, especially for flights over water.
If I'm reading that article correctly, pidgeons *can* navigate by the sun, stars, etc., but they prefer to navigate by landmarks. Look at the part discussing what the birds did the first time they traveled a given route, before they knew the landmarks.
it looks like it's just about carrier pigeons(you know the kind of that would bring you a parcel with your stas.. err message.) doing some (semi)local navigationing rather than how birds in general navigate.
and anyways the submitter/poster could have read the article too with thought..
Guilford said pigeons use their own navigational system when doing long-distance trips or when a bird does a journey for the first time.
But when they have flown a journey more than once they home in on a habitual route home.
"In short it looks like it is mentally easier for a bird to fly down a road... they are just making their journey as simple as possible." - the bird in this is referring to pigeons too, can't imagine albatrosses using streets for navigationing when they're flying thousands of kilometers away from land either..
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So THAT explains why my connection always gets so laggy when there's construction on the roads!
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The (very short) article says that the birds will home in the firsttime a flight is done using thier own "navigational system". It does say after many flights they settle in on a routine path, that tends to follow roads. As if (big surprise!) its easier to follow the landmarks that to use that "navigational system".
:)
Once again the slashdot blurb completely misrepresents the article. Good work guys
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*sigh* You didn't read the article. How sad.
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"This could be tested easily by taking a pidgeon to France and seeing if it can find it's way home..."
I really wish people would stop presenting me with such juicy opportunities to make non-PC jokes.
"Derp de derp."
I was going to add "... before it finds itself on a dining table" to the above but decide that wasn't politically correct...
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I work in a lab examining Avian Visual Psychology -
there's a great online text edited by the Professor I work for completely free with sample videos and works by many of the great researchers in this field:
http://www.pigeon.psy.tufts.edu
So, in essence what they are saying is that we can minimize RTT (Round Trip Time) delays when using RFC 1149 "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers" by painting huge lines on the ground directly between source and destination? I'm sure network implementers will cooing with joy at this revelation!
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I must rant in traditional /. fashion. Here goes:
I AM APALLED by the fact that one would even suggest such as stupid theory. Listen up guys: Enough of this silly "they follow the roads stuff" Some of us are actually trying to make money off this "imaginary" magnetic-ion-built-in-GPS navigation system that pigeons DO in fact have. If you keep putting out simple explanations to things like this, you're gonna run the rest of us lunatic scientists out of business. We NEED those government grants!
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Now back to finishing my 5 assed pigeon....
I believe this may be a way for the pigeons to adapt their inate skills to the modern world. I believe in pre-civilization times the birds would have followed rivers and waterways like they are following the roads today.
It would be interesting to do a study in an area without roads and population to see if this is indeed the case.
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where Bernie is the affectionate name given to pigeon 37.
... not to mention that we could maybe train them to poop on slow drivers. :)
Think about it. A local news agency opens up a dozen or so little offices distributed around your city. It then trains pigeons to go to and from a couple of the offices, and attaches a small video camera with a decent transmitter to Bernie's leg. Since the pigeons follow roads, you'll have a live feed (no pun intended) of the road every pigeon is flying over.
Better yet, it seems likely that a greater number of pigeons will follow major roads, and fewer follow minor roads. That's more coverage of the main arteries, exactly what we need. And if you attach a GPS unit, you can localize which PigeonFeed (TM) you want to look at.
Sure beats millions of dollars for helicopters and thousands more for fuel
*blinking cursor*
Perhaps they could use use the pigeons *to* determine best routes for motorists?
Then they must also hate Los Angeles...
Let's just hope they don't use airport runways for guidance!
Why, no, not at all. If you look closely at /. stories in the past few months, you'll find others from Al Jazeera. Also, if you go to new.google.com, you'll find them well represented in the top stories. In particular, they've had good summaries of a lot of technical and scientific stories.
;-)
You'd think that the Al Jazeera folks are trying to be a respected news source or something.
(I was trying hard not to say "fair and balanced.
Their Middle-East reporting makes for interesting reading, too. They often give you a somewhat different slant than Western news services.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
However, this brings up a question: Prior to industrialization, how did they navigate? What about prior to human habitation of areas? Or did they only begin to become homing pigeons when they had definite paths to follow?
Of course, this totally screws up the Airspeed-Velocity of an Unladen Swallow because velocity is a vector, and vectors require a direction....And we thought we had that figured out! Damn!
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I read this article on BBC a last week. If you would like to, you can read it here.
CNN also carried a story on this.
Some more news sites that carried this news are
How do homing pigeons navigate ?
Pigeons navigate 'by following roads'
Pigeons take the highway
The homing pigeon's ploy: follow that road
Pigeons home in on the roads
I was a little surprised that out of all the news sites, someone picked it up on Al jazeera... Not that I have anything against any news channel....
Maybe flying along a motorway takes less energy because of the rising air.
I bet the bird were glad the Romans came along.
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Why not?
People in most countries ive ever been to eat pigeon in one form or another (its not very common though). I used to shoot them for a farmer, and would at least eat some of them (wood pigeon) and you can always get them from most good butchers (in season obviously).
what i dont understand is the part ...
...
where the homing pigeon gets born
in london and gets transported in
a cage to paris and will fly home
to london if released
when they're transported in the cage
do they have to be able to see where
they're transported to or else they
won't find home?
maybe they can navigate by looking
at wave pattern
this is prolly just bullsh.t.
it's been proven that they have
small magnets in their brains and
can "see" the magnetic field lines
with it. also the earth magnetic
field isn't the same everywhere just
like gravity isn't the same everywhere.
you can (could) jump further at the
equater, etc.
"pigeons are a one way packet"
But what about the chance of finding food along the way? Maybe the pigeons have also learned that there's lots of thrown-away sandwiches & packets of crisps along motorways.....those flying rats...
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I find it amazing that pigeons (some other animals included) are able to so perfectly memorize a route after only one pass-over. To be honest, I tend to get lost after just a few streets into my downtown area. Would this suggest a highly specialized memory or mindset? A parallel might be drawn between this and times when humans are highly aroused (extreme situations involving internal stimulants) where memories tend to be much more vivid. Has anyone run into any information on this?
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