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Behind the Scenes in Kernel Development

An anonymous reader writes "Some interesting changes took place in the way the Linux kernel is developed and tested. In many ways, the methods used to develop the Linux kernel are much the same today as they were 3 years ago. However, several key changes have improved overall stability as well as quality. This article takes a look behind the scenes at the tools, tests, and techniques -- from revision control and regression testing to bugtracking and list keeping -- that helped make 2.6 a better kernel than any that have come before it." We might as well mention here (again) that a couple of new kernels are out: leif.singer writes "2.6.3 and 2.4.25 are out, fixing another vulnerability in do_mremap()."

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  1. Kernel development interests me terribly by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wish I could wrap my head around even the smallest part of the kernel. There is so much code in there and aside from main(), it is hard to find a good place to start studying.

    Would these tests be a good starting place?

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    1. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by deadlinegrunt · · Score: 5, Informative

      Find a particular functionality of the kernel that really interest you; read any documentation you can find about it; then grep the src till you see the relevant sections of code and start perusing with your $(EDITOR)

      Much time is spent teaching people how to write code but never really reading it. This is a perfect example of how to do it and why you would.

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    2. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by millahtime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Much time is spent teaching people how to write code but never really reading it. This is a perfect example of how to do it and why you would."

      Reading code can be a huge help in becomeing a better coder. You see how other coders do things. Learning from their bad on what not to do and seeing new good methods you may not have come up with on your own.

    3. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wish I could wrap my head around even the smallest part of the kernel. There is so much code in there and aside from main(), it is hard to find a good place to start studying.

      You could contribute some work to SCO: I hear they're very interested in having someone sprinkle several "printk("(c) SCO\n");" lines here and there in init/main.c, since they can't do it themselves, having no technical department, being a law firm and all...

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    4. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

      Code Reading by Diomidis Spinellis contains a bunch of ideas on ways to comprehend large codebases more easily.

      He talks about browsing code, package structures, adding features or fixing bugs in a large codebase, and so on. It's a good read - well worth the money.

    5. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by JuliusRV · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Linux Kernel Development" is a nice introduction book by kernel hacker Robert Love, and it already covers the 2.6 Kernel.

      It doesn't go into too much detail, but it gives a very good overview and basic understanding of the issues you have to deal with in the kernel! I'm currently reading it and getting enlightened :-)

    6. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by po8 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does the fact that Diomidis Spinellis has repeated won the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC) make him more or less qualified to write such a book :-)? Check out his "best abuse of the rules" entry from 1988 that is my all-time favorite. BTW, the contest is currently open.

    7. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by tcopeland · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Does the fact that Diomidis Spinellis has
      > repeated won the International Obfuscated
      > C Code Contest (IOCCC)

      Heh :-) Yup, he talks about that a bit in the book, and makes the point the to IOCCC winners usually employ the preprocessor in their entries.

      Then he goes on to suggest that preprocessor usage be minimized in 'normal' programming activities :-)

    8. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by pavon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is exactly why Universities should have the senior or junior CS design-project be to add some significant functionality to an existing large project. There simply isn't enough time to build something that large from scratch in that short amount of time, and the things you learn from working with a large codebase are invaluable. Furthermore, in the real world you will spend much more time improving other people's code then you will writing from scratch anyway.

    9. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by slamb · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I wish I could wrap my head around even the smallest part of the kernel. There is so much code in there and aside from main(), it is hard to find a good place to start studying.

      Very recently, I've been writing some low-level code. There was a long while I'd thought this was out of my league. Then I realized several things:

      • I was not happy with several characteristics of the low-level code other people had written and I was depending on.
      • I had done some more low-level stuff long ago - like a couple simple but legitimately useful assembly programs in DOS, and even a patch that added a sort of capability system to the OpenBSD kernel. (I never polished up the patch enough to send it in to them or anything, but the point is that it essentially worked, and I wasn't afraid to take it on.)
      • When I'd done those things back in the day, I wasn't anywhere near as good a coder as I am now.
      • The only reason I'd been unable to do these things more recently is an attitude that I'm not good enough, not a reality. (It's an attitude a lot of people in low-level code promote, I think. They so much don't want to waste their time with people who really are bad that they probably don't mind scaring off a few people who are in fact good but don't realize it. Also, I think there's ego involved - it's an exclusive club, why not let it stay that way.)

      So I think the moral of the story is to just be fearless/persistent. If you're not confident, there are plenty of ways you can improve without even involving anyone else:

      • Read the code. It sounds obvious, but there's a lot of code I'd stayed away from even looking at because of intimidation.
      • Try experiments. Make a change, set a hypothesis about what it will do, and run it. Then see why you were wrong, if you were. Then try it again. Even just getting in the habit of running the build system will help, and setting up experiments like this will help your debugging.
      • Find something lacking and try to fix it.

      And then, if you're still not comfortable talking on the linux-kernel list, I think you have at least another couple choices:

      • If you're lucky, you're friendly with someone more skilled and can use him/her to screen questions.
      • There's a couple lists like kernel-janitors and kernel-newbies to dip your feet in the water.
      • Sometimes in the process of writing an eloquent question through email you'll figure out the answer yourself. (Did you see the teddy bear anecdote in the debugging link above?)

      As for myself, I'm taking my own advice to make sigsafe - an alternate set of system call wrappers (libc level) that eliminate a couple race conditions involving signals, without a performance penalty. It's going well - the code works, and I have a race condition checker and microbenchmark to prove it. I just released my first version. Now I'm working on the documentation; it still needs a lot of work. (I could use plenty of help with this project! If you want to try low-level programming, it's a great way. It requires writing assembly for each combination of operating system and architecture. I've only written it for two systems. There are plenty left, and public systems to do it on if you don't have access to exotic machines of your own. Plus, you can hopefully gain some low-level understanding by proof-reading and helping me write the documentation.)

      Once I have that polished, I've got a couple projects I might try in the Linux kernel (and/or other kernels):

      • implementing a couple of system calls - the nonblocking_read(2) and nonblocking_write(2) that djb mentions.
      • implementing SO_RCVTIMEO and SO_SNDTIMEO under Linux. Assuming no one has yet; I haven't checked, so the manpage could just be out of date. Which brings m
    10. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by slamb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Try experiments. Make a change, set a hypothesis about what it will do, and run it. Then see why you were wrong, if you were. Then try it again. Even just getting in the habit of running the build system will help, and setting up experiments like this will help your debugging.

      An addendum: your experiments don't have to be anything spectacular. Here are a few:

      • Try adding a few printk statements throughout the code, decide when you expect they will print and what they will say, and confirm it.
      • Try tuning a sysctl or hardcoded value. See how it affects performance. Do microbenchmarks or benchmark real systems. Make pretty graphs. (Graphs are fun!)
      • Add a likely() or unlikely() option to help the compiler's branch prediction. Again, test the performance. Or take one away - it's possible someone was wrong about the performance
      And in user-level code, there are even more things you can do:
      • compile with -ftest-coverage to see what code is run and design unit tests to that uses every line. This will help your understand, could find existing bugs or dead code, and will help you be confident in your changes if you later make any.
      • compile with -ftest-coverage -fprofile-arcs to see what code branches are very likely or unlikely to be taken, then use likely() and unlikely() to change the branch prediction. Benchmark the results.

      Another project I've considered is adding likely() and unlikely() equivalents to boost. A lot of people use this code, so increasing its performance a little would be pretty beneficial.

    11. Re:Kernel development interests me terribly by slamb · · Score: 3, Informative
      Is there any nifty way to speed up the compile->execute cycle? The way I see me coding is:
      [...]
      c)reboot test machine and wait 1-3 minutes for it to come up
      [...]

      step C could be frustrating, is there a quicker way to go about it?

      You could making your changes to a User-mode Linux kernel to avoid the reboot. Or running it inside a virtual machine. That way you only have the kernel's boot time, not the main system BIOS, ATA-100 BIOS, SCSI BIOS, etc.

      Also, what is the likely() and unlikely() functions you speak of. Google shows a lot of unrelated info.

      They're macros that tell the compiler if the expression contained within is likely to be true or false. There's an article about them here. If you've ever seen any code that mentions __builtin_expect, it's the same thing with better names:

      #if COMPILER_SUPPORTS_BUILTIN_EXPECT
      #define likely(condition) __builtin_expect(!!(condition), 1)
      #define unlikely(condition) __builtin_expect(!!(condition), 0)
      #else
      #define likely(condition) (condition)
      #define unlikely(condition) (condition)
  2. Automatic Testing by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't say how much I appreciate the automatic tests. This is applying computers to a thankless task that they're suited for.

    Now if they only had a web dashboard portal showing the latest results in an easily-assimilated color coded HTML table....

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    1. Re:Automatic Testing by platypus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alas, while I'm in doubt about the "easily assimilated" part, they have a lot of reports there at
      http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/kernel_test ing/

      Just look around there.

  3. Whatever it is, it's working... by bc90021 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know what they've done in terms of changing things, and I didn't RTFA. What I do know is that I've been using the 2.6 kernel on my new ThinkPad T40, and the machine is FAST, and stable. Hats off to all reponsible.

  4. Kernel quality by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    However, several key changes have improved overall stability as well as quality.

    I have a suggestion : how about not calling development kernels with an even version number?

    - 2.6.0-beta-something kernels were bad (okay fair enough, it was beta, and Linus admitted having called a 2.5.x kernel 2.6 in order to lure early adopters and get them to test it).

    - 2.6.0, 2.6.1 and 2.6.2 were unstable for me, with doozies such as oopses while rmmoding and random crashes using ide-scsi (yes I know it's deprecated, but some of us need it).

    I now run 2.6.3-rc3 and it's the first time it seems stable enough to be called a 2.6 kernel. There are some problems left, but overall it's getting decent. But then why are the others "2.6" kernel called 2.6 at all? they were really 2.5 kernels imho.

    This has happened before, with the beginning of the 2.4 serie. I only felt it was getting good enough at version 2.4.6 and above (I'm not counting the failed 2.4.11 release). When 2.4.0 went out, I thought it meant it was ready for prime time, like 2.2.0 was, or at least was more, but no it was crap. I was slightly annoyed with Linus then, but I thought he had been pressured by commercial Linux shops and that he wouldn't do it again. But no, he did it again with 2.6.

    It's really quite annoying, because those who follow Linux know the first "stable" kernels aren't stable at all, therefore avoid it, therefore defeat the point of testing it for Linus, but beginners think "cool, a new stable kernel", try it and are disappointed, giving a bad name to an otherwise great kernel. Too bad ...

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    1. Re:Kernel quality by Psiren · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is a chicken and egg situation. Unless there is widespread testing of a kernel, some bugs won't be found. But not everyone wants to risk running a development kernel, so the only way to get them to test is to bend the truth slightly, and call a beta version the new stable kernel. At the end of the day, the number just reflects the developers opinion on the stability of the thing as a whole. They could make no changes to 2.6.3 and release it as 2.7.0, but that wouldn't make it any less unstable.

    2. Re:Kernel quality by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the only way to get them to test is to bend the truth slightly, and call a beta version the new stable kernel

      I realize that, but what I'm saying is that those in the know get burnt a couple of times, then see through the bullcrap and silently renumber the kernel versions. In the end, early adopters are pissed off because they've been lied to a little, and swear never to try newer stable versions again, newcomers get disgusted by the quality of early stable releases, and Linus doesn't get the testing he wanted that made him bend the truth in the first place, therefore everybody loses.

      I'd much rather see Linus say : "here, there's this 2.5, we call it 2.5.xx-RC-something. It's close to 2.6, but not quite. *PLEASE* test it for us *PLEASE*!, that'll allow 2.6.0 to be good". He could even have a "best testers" or "more devoted QA volunteers" list prominently displayed on the main page at kernel.org, to appeal to people's sense of ego.

      At least that would be a more honest approach to testing new kernels than lying to people.

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    3. Re:Kernel quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      and random crashes using ide-scsi (yes I know it's deprecated, but some of us need it).

      disable ide-scsi and use latest cdrecord with

      dev=ATAPI:x,x,x

      instead of

      dev=x,x,x

      and everything is cool. Don't forget to check lilo.conf. Stop using cdrdao. Ignore xcdroast's "This would be faster is you had ide-scsi enabled" dialogs.

      This should apply to almost every kind of ide-scsi use.

    4. Re:Kernel quality by A.T.+Hun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there's a new version of cdrdao out that supports ATAPI burners without the need of ide-scsi.

      Also, I'm not sure what hardware the original poster has, but I had no problem with 2.6.1 or 2.6.2. As always, YMMV.

    5. Re:Kernel quality by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Man, come on dog, it is after all a free Operating System kernel. I bet you bitch about rain being wet... that's my word, holla...

      My friend, not everybody uses Linux just for shits and giggle, and for the heck of saying "Windoze sux0rs" to buddies. I actually need to get work done with my Linux boxes, and so when a stable kernel isn't stable, it pisses me off.

      Also, FYI, I reckon I have a certain right to be annoyed because I contribute code back to the free software community, in the form of userland software projects and specialized Linux drivers. It's not much perhaps, but I'm not just a freeloader who should be happy with what he gets for free.

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    6. Re:Kernel quality by adrianbaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's exactly what Linus does: there is such a series of release candidates (first introduced prior to 2.4). You can argue that it isn't long enough, but there's an obvious counterargument that if you wait forever nothing will ever get released.
      I can't think of a x.y.0 release of any software project that's been properly stable. It's not just linux, it's the way the world is. You could argue that software never ever becomes perfectly stable: marking a series as "stable" is really just shorthand for good enough that further development is largely maintenance, therefore we expect the structure and codebase to remain stable", not some guarantee that they'll never go wrong. It's more a development term than a performance or reliability term, though the stability of development generally arises from the performance and reliability being sufficient to obviate the need for large changes to the code.

      Even quite late in stable kernel release cycles there's occasionally a shocker - anyone remember 2.0.33?

      If you don't like those kernels, just stick with 2.4 until a distribution ships with 2.6.8 or so. For what it's worth 2.6.(1+) has been fine for me.

      Nobody's lying to you - there has to be some cut-off where a kernel series is declared stable, and by and large I think Linus judges it pretty well.

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    7. Re:Kernel quality by b17bmbr · · Score: 4, Funny

      because waiting for a final release to be stable, secure, and thoroughly tested has worked for microsoft, and we wouldn't want to do things their way.

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    8. Re:Kernel quality by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's really quite annoying, because those who follow Linux know the first "stable" kernels aren't stable at all, therefore avoid it, therefore defeat the point of testing it for Linus, but beginners think "cool, a new stable kernel", try it and are disappointed, giving a bad name to an otherwise great kernel.

      The problem here is not with the kernel numbering, it's with your understanding of the kernel numbering. An even-numbered kernel is "stable" in the sense that the developers promise they will not muck with the kernel in deep ways, such as changing APIs or replacing VMs (er... well, usually). It is *not* necessarily stable in the sense that it works without problems.

      This is why you never see Linux distros jumping on early stable versions as their default kernel, they know that you have to wait a while and let the early bugs be shaken out.

      As to whether or not the use of the word "stable" is intended to fool newbs who don't understand this into doing testing -- I don't think that's the case.

      But, hey, if it works... ;-)

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    9. Re:Kernel quality by Gollum · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean something like the 2.6.0-test series? Which started with the following post, 5 months before the final 2.6.0 was released:
      Linus Torvalds: Linux 2.6.0-test1
      Jul 14 2003, 09:16 (UTC+0)
      Ok, the naming should be familiar - it's the same deal as with 2.4.0.

      One difference is that while 2.4.0 took about 7 months from the pre1 to the final release, I hope (and believe) that we have fewer issues facing us in the current 2.6.0. But very obviously there are going to be a few test-releases before the real thing.

      The point of the test versions is to make more people realize that they need testing and get some straggling developers realizing that it's too late to worry about the next big feature. I'm hoping that Linux vendors will start offering the test kernels as installation alternatives, and do things like make upgrade internal machines, so that when the real 2.6.0 does happen, we're all set.

      Linus

    10. Re:Kernel quality by ncr53c8xx · · Score: 2, Informative
      oopses while rmmoding

      I thought rmmmod support was removed or at least deprecated in the latest kernel? Any kernel hackers care to clear this up?

      but beginners think "cool, a new stable kernel", try it and are disappointed, giving a bad name to an otherwise great kernel.

      Why would beginners be installing a new kernel? The distros would have the latest features patched into their supported kernels. In any case, if you are installing kernels, you should at least read kernel traffic.

    11. Re:Kernel quality by pohl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For what it's worth, 2.6.0 and the subsequent minor revisions have worked flawlessly for me and many associates. You seem quick to assume that they named it a "stable release" prematurely. Have you considered the altertnate hypothesis that you are in the minority of users who have encountered problems? If so, that's not a dishonorable place to be...somebody has to be the poor soul who encounters a bugs. (Thank you, by the way, I appreciate your hardship.)

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    12. Re:Kernel quality by thue · · Score: 2, Informative

      dev=ATAPI:x,x,x

      dev=/dev/hdc works for me. Seems simpler.

  5. Post: -1, Redundant by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 5, Informative
    "2.6.3 and 2.4.25 are out, fixing another vulnerability in do_munmap()."

    The announcement for 2.6.3 and 2.4.25 was yesterday, and the vulnerability to which the link in the text above refers was with mremap, not munmap; there's also another vulnerability with mremap mentioned yesterday as an *update* to the kernel announcement.
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  6. SCO by rauhest · · Score: 5, Funny

    Without RTFA (of course), I tried to find any reference to "sco".

    The only match was "a misconfigured system". :)

  7. ACPI cure for 2.4.25 HOW-TO by Quietti · · Score: 5, Informative

    Was here in yesterday's thread about 2.4.25 and 2.6.3 releases.

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  8. If only... by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now if they only had a web dashboard portal showing the latest results in an easily-assimilated color coded HTML table....

    Then you'd become a PHB.

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  9. do_mremap by suckamc_0x90 · · Score: 4, Funny

    fixing another vulnerability in do_mremap() ah, good old Mr. Emap.

  10. 2.2.0? by autechre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    2.2.0 had a bug where the system would instantly reboot when any user ran "ldd". I wouldn't call that "ready for prime time" :)

    (I remember this because we were waiting for 2.2.x to come out, having just gotten a dual P-II 350 server [2.0.x didn't have SMP support]. Fortunately, we managed to hold off for the first few revisions.)

    It's not as if this problem is unique to the Linux kernel. "Never use a Red Hat .0 release" is pretty sage advice, and of course we know Microsoft's track record. You're not going to be able to catch all of the bugs before something gets truly widespread testing, no matter what you call it or how long you work on it.

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  11. Framebuffer? by bruthasj · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think they forgot to test the framebuffer in 2.6.x kernels. If I can't see Tux, then I ain't booting it! (radeon)

  12. Bitkeeper by jurgen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I sent this to the author of the article...

    [the author] wrote:

    The lack of formal revision control and source code management led many to suggest the use of a product called BitKeeper.
    I grant that sometimes you have to simplify history to avoid digressing in an article, but this is a bit too inaccurate to let stand.

    Bitkeeper wasn't suggested by anyone; it didn't have to be. It was developed from the ground up to Linus' requirements. Larry McVoy had a discussion about source control with Linus years ago, in which Linus said "none of the products are good enough" and Larry said, "ok, I'm going to write one that is". Apparently he had this on his mind anyway, and so he started Bitmover Co. As bitkeeper became a usable product Larry continued to take Linus feedback and improve it until it was good enough for Linus to use... at which point Linus started using it.

    This is still a simplification of course, but it's closer... and as you can see, there were no third party suggestions involved.

    1. Re:Bitkeeper by pangloss · · Score: 4, Informative
  13. Interesting read by Derkec · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's still amazing to me that a project as large as Linux was able to be so successfull BEFORE the changes that were made to the development process. It lacked a centralized CVS, coherent bug tracking, automated testing... These are all things I use in the smallest of professional projets. Many eyes goes a long way towards compensating for having many hands in a big project, but some structure seems like it's helped.

    1. Re:Interesting read by FePe · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's still amazing to me that a project as large as Linux was able to be so successfull BEFORE the changes that were made to the development process. It lacked a centralized CVS, coherent bug tracking, automated testing...

      Without beeing too sure, I believe that Linux developer's in the beginning focused more on fixing bugs than keeping things clean and structured. That's mainly because the base of the system needed to be developed, and little attention was drawn to factors like speed and optimization. "First make it work, then make it fast."

      And most bugs were indeed caught. Linus's law, states that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow". More formally: "Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix obvious to someone." (From Wikipedia)

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    2. Re:Interesting read by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's still amazing to me that a project as large as Linux was able to be so successfull BEFORE the changes that were made to the development process. It lacked a centralized CVS, coherent bug tracking, automated testing... These are all things I use in the smallest of professional projets.

      CVS is an interesting one. I don't really understand his rationale, but Linus says that for Linux development, CVS is not only inadequate, it is bad. Linus has said that if he ever has to quit using Bitkeeper, he'll go back to tarballs, patches and manual version control, because every other available system is worse.

      I can certainly see weaknesses in CVS, and for Linux development I can see how the lack of changesets would be problematic, but the notion that manual version control could be better is... startling.

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    3. Re:Interesting read by raxx7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm just speculating here, but I think the issue would be speed. CVS isn't very efficient in terms of speed or disk space. Handling something as large as the kernel might be a problem and duplicating trees with cp -rl an interesting alternative.
      SVN is much more efficient though. I'm not sure that comment aplied only to CVS or to avaliable versioning systems in general.

  14. But why is it in so few distros? by Bob+Bitchen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's what bothers me. How long will the distros wait until they use the 2.6 kernel? I hear the scheduler is improved amongst many other things. So what's the hold up? Is it just that there's no one willing to be the guinea pig?

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    1. Re:But why is it in so few distros? by inerte · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mandrake 10.0 (which has a RC already) will feature the 2.6 Kernel.

    2. Re:But why is it in so few distros? by crush · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fedora Core Test 2 is already using 2.6

  15. Beautiful by maximilln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't like to start new threads but I didn't see this: A general "Thank you for your time, effort, and a job well done" to all of the kernel hackers out there. They're fixing kernel level bugs that are almost at the hardware level while M$ is still patching their web browser. I don't think there's any doubt which system is ultimately more secure.

    Can anyone take a guess how many low-level memory exploits are in Windows XP, 2k, or others? Perhaps it's irrelevant. Who needs to crack the low mem when there are so many ways into the system at the document level?

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  16. BitKeeper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that true that Linux is developed using the proprietary BitKeeper? Why not Subversion or CVS or RCS? I just tried to download BitKeeper and there's a strange question in the download form: "Do you anticipate implementing a source management system in the next: [Please Select]" What's the deal? Don't just tell me that if I want to contribute to Linux, than I cannot contribute to Subversion... If that is indeed the case, then what are they nuts? No wonder that Subversion is maturing so slowly, when all of the Linux contributors are legally obligated to not help it. But is that really fair? I'm sure Linus Torvalds would never choose software with such an EULA, so who has made that decision? Was BitKeeper always proprietary and anticompetitive?

    1. Re:BitKeeper? by typobox43 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read the word "implementing" here as asking you when you plan on utilizing a source management system, not when you plan on coding one.

    2. Re:BitKeeper? by raxx7 · · Score: 4, Informative

      First, you can contribute to Linux and Subversion. You just have to:
      a) not use BitKeeper
      b) buy a BitKeeper licence

      Second, RCS doesn't support concurrent development. That's why we have CVS.

      Third, why BitKeeper?
      Though CVS has lots of shortcommings (and thats why Subversion exists) and Subversion (SVN) is still labeled "alpha" by it's developers (though in practice it's stable enough to be self hosted and widely used), the real reason has to do with the basic model of CVS and SVN. Two main issues, in my opinion:
      a) In CVS/SVN you need write access to the central repository or you can't make proper use of versioning control. Giving write access is a problem for Linux's contribute based development model. BitKeeper doesn't need it.
      b) CVS/SVN know about branches but they don't know about merges from one branch into the other. Their view of the repository is a pure spanning tree. Subversion has a "merge" command, but a merge is commited as any other change into the repositoty. BitKeeper knows about previous merges and where they were merged from and uses that information to be smarter at resolving conflicts when you do a merge.
      In contribute based development every change to the project has to go through one of few maintainers who can write into the main repository (in Linux's case, there's only one), so proper merging support becomes very important. At some point before BitKeeper, Linus was having trouble keeping up with all the patches people were sending him and people were getting angry with that.

      If you don't believe me, you can check the GNU Arch website: http://wiki.gnuarch.org/
      They're developing a Free versioning control system very similar to BitKeeper.

    3. Re:BitKeeper? by chromatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a nit on Subversion's status: it's in beta now, with a release candidate scheduled for tomorrow and the official 1.0 release set for Monday.

  17. Recommended book on the Linux kernel by supersat · · Score: 2, Informative

    I highly suggest picking up a copy of the Linux Core Kernel Commentary. The first part of the book contains the code of the majority of the "core" kernel components, and the second part explains the code. It's slightly out of date, but still a good read.

  18. 2.4.x and 2.6.1 and external USB devices by Spoing · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This isn't the right story to mention this on, though it's somewhat related.

    I've encountered many problems with external hard drives using USB 1 and 2 interfaces. Locking up the entire system on large file copies was the main issue. (Copying small numbers of files was never an issue. Lockups occured on different drives, different external chipsets, different 2.4.x kernels though supposedly fixed in the latest 2.4.x releases.)

    I've finally gotten the nerve to run a few days of tests on 2.6.1 to see if this has been really resolved, and I'm happy to report that this now works like a charm.

    If you've encountered similar problems with 2.4.x, give 2.6.x a try.

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