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Radar/Wireless Transmitter on a Chip

dganapa writes "Researchers at the California Institute of Technology, headed by Dr. Ali Hajimiri, have developed a low-cost radar system on a silicon chip. The entire system has been designed from the ground up on silicon, thus leading to reduced cost as well as robustness in response to design variations and changes in environment. The chip runs at a staggering speed of24 GHz (enabling it to transfer data as fast as the main network of the Internet) and can soon lift wireless, high-frequency communication to a whole new level. The radar as such is not as powerful as a conventional radar but because of its cost-effectiveness, a number of them can be coupled together to perform really well. A related NY Times article is here. A recent article from Slashdot shows that radar technology is increasingly being implemented in the automobile industry. This current chip is sure to be much more successful than its predecessors as far as the automobile industry is concerned, but whether or not its processing speed will become important in the computer industry remains to be seen."

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  1. Meaningless bullshit by mattjb0010 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The chip runs at a staggering speed of24 GHz (enabling it to transfer data as fast as the main network of the Internet)

    How many Libraries of Congress is that?

    1. Re:Meaningless bullshit by Ossadagowah · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but I for one am looking forward to my Soliton Radar System that will be coupled with my Codec.

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    2. Re:Meaningless bullshit by varj · · Score: 1

      Approximately Three WV Beetles

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    3. Re:Meaningless bullshit by Ossadagowah · · Score: 1

      Seriously enough, could this be used to create an Auto-Drive system for cars? It'd be nice to just lie back and go to sleep while driving a car and not worry about dying.

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    4. Re:Meaningless bullshit by frazzydee · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not completely sure, but this site says that BellSouth's backbone could download the library of congress in 126 seconds- so it's gotta be pretty fast.

    5. Re:Meaningless bullshit by larkost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It could be a component, but only one piece. The really tough part if creating the software that intelligently drives. There are so many oddball cases you have to deal with in driving that it will be a very long time before this is possible.

      Look how much trouble the teams are having putting together vehicles to race each other at 30 MPH on a closed course in the DARPA challenge. Many of them are using radar in conjunction with laser and visual systems in order to put together a world-view, and they are still having major problems running a course without other drivers.

      Now add in all the erratic drivers, random animals, and kids running out into streets, and I don't think we are even close to having self-driving cars.

    6. Re:Meaningless bullshit by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Haven't you checked out BMW and Mercs recent radar cruise controllers? BMW one is especially snazzy.

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    7. Re:Meaningless bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many copyright violations per second is that?

  2. radar clusters by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 4, Funny
    The radar as such is not as powerful as a conventional radar but because of its cost-effectiveness, a number of them can be coupled together to perform really well.

    Imagine a beowulf... oh nevermind. :)

  3. Collision aviodance on cars at last by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (yes - of course we can disable it if we want to)
    but wouldn't it be great to have the brakes applied if you lose attention for that one split second. Everyone I've known who has been in a car accident, (luckily they were minor) has said just that.

    Unless you are James Bond, or just want to do some fancy driving a radar controlled braking system would be great.

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    1. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by gnugie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Both Cadillac and Jaguar sell vehicles with Radar-based Adaptive Cruise Control, which will brake for you if needed.

      Check out the Cadillac XLR.

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    2. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by istaz · · Score: 1

      I think the aircraft-transponder-alike is much better, each device is given a unique id and beeping using omnidirectional antenna. Well, may be how to determine location, speed can be figured out during the development process.

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    3. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by ozbird · · Score: 1

      but wouldn't it be great to have the brakes applied if you lose attention for that one split second.

      Only if the dumbass sitting on your tail also has radar braking...

    4. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by Bagels · · Score: 1

      The only collision that anyone I know has ever been in had nothing to do with inattention - it was my dad, and he was driving along a slick road when he came to the results of a former crash that had sent another one car skidding across the road (the other was an 18 wheeler, it just shrugged and kept going). There was no way that he could have avoided the crash - the best he could do was aim for the empty passenger side and pray. Sometimes, no matter what you do, attention (electronic-aided or otherwise) just can't do anything.

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    5. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Only if the dumbass sitting on your tail also has radar braking...

      My car had a bumper sticker: "Go ahead. Hit me. I need the money."

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    6. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      New high end Mercedes-Benz cars have it as an option as well.

  4. 24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by tota · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The arcticle is a little light on technical details, is 24Ghz the speed of the chip or the frequency used to scan/send the data?


    Why can't I get my liquid nitrogen cooled 24 Ghz ahtlon64 then? I thought we weren't capable of making gates that would switch that fast?


    Can someone clear up my confusion?

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    1. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      24GHz is the frequency of the radar signal, which determines the radar's spatial resulution. It's not the data rate, that's an inapt analogy. BTW it's unlikely an automatic braking system will be easy to design-- The rate of false positives is likely to be much too high. Small objects that are near a half-wavelength in size are likely to give strong reflections. So common road objects like pebbles, lane dots, falling rain, are likely to generate an exceedingly high screech-the-brakes rate.

    2. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Small objects that are near a half-wavelength in size are likely to give strong reflections. So common road objects like pebbles, lane dots, falling rain, are likely to generate an exceedingly high screech-the-brakes rate.

      With the phases array, they should be able to measure the side of the object. Of course you are right that a cloud of pebbles could cause braking, but that might be ok.

    3. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by Epistax · · Score: 1, Insightful

      24 GHz would be a cycle time of 41.7 ps. For just about everyone, that's longer than the setup time plus hold time of a flop, making it impossible to do any logic in any given cycle. There is also the possibility of only listening to every other clock, but then it really wouldn't be 12 ghz.

      Unless someone's at least ten years ahead in tech out there?

    4. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by gnugie · · Score: 1

      Measuring the size of the object isn't enough.

      If a car started braking over a cloud of pebbles, no one would use the features.

      Current radar-based cruise-control technologies have to do things like measure the targets, determine the speed (and direction) of the targets, and determine if the target is legitimate. Then, the system must determine when/how to throttle the engine and when/how to apply the brakes.

      Basically, the radar's the easy part.

      And it's not something that costs millions of dollars, either.

      And, of course, no

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    5. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative
      BTW it's unlikely an automatic braking system will be easy to design...
      Easy or not, I don't know. But Daimler first put radar-controlled braking for cruise control into Mercedes in 1998. I have ridden in a demonstration, and the system doesn't just shut off the cruise control when you come up on another car - it can hit the brakes quite hard. And apparently this is old news for trucks too:
      American big-rig truck fleets are much further along. More than 10,000 trucks on highways are outfitted with radar-based collision-warning systems that alert drivers to fast-approaching danger and induce braking. Data collected over millions of miles shows the systems have reduced accident rates by 70 percent or more.
    6. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by rsw · · Score: 1

      Judging by some of Hajimiri's "selected works" (for example, "A 24 GHz CMOS Front End"), it appears that they're talking about the carrier frequency, not the data rate. Of course, higher carrier frequency generally implies more bandwidth, but this isn't a wireless 24 Gbps backbone.

    7. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by CTho9305 · · Score: 1

      Why can't I get my liquid nitrogen cooled 24 Ghz ahtlon64 then? I thought we weren't capable of making gates that would switch that fast?

      Your CPU has paths more than one gate long that have to switch each cycle. Even if you DID design a processor with 1 gate per pipeline stage, you'd still need more than 41ps just for the clock-to-q (time it takes the data to come out of a flip flop) and setup of the next flop (time before the clock arrives that the data needs to be valid).

    8. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by geekee · · Score: 1

      " 24 GHz would be a cycle time of 41.7 ps. For just about everyone, that's longer than the setup time plus hold time of a flop, making it impossible to do any logic in any given cycle. There is also the possibility of only listening to every other clock, but then it really wouldn't be 12 ghz. "

      They use a Sige process from IBM, from which it is possiible to make a 24 GHz mixer and divder.

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  5. A couple of questions come to mind... by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... and no I haven't read the article yet.

    can an array of these be used to emulate a synthetic apreture radar, meaning that a flat panel gives you a 120 to 180 degree field of view from that panel?

    Can the processing power of the chips be used to provide an improved image of what is reflecting in the spectrum the radar is working in? With a two dimensional array of 5 by 5 chips, distributed over a 1 foot by 1 foot surface, you could have a 3 dimensional "image" with a resolution similar to a human's 2 eyes. If the chips themselves can be programmed to do the interpolation, you could use a seprate computer to provide a opengl real time image of the world.

    Perhaps I should read the article...

    -Rusty

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    1. Re:A couple of questions come to mind... by Hits_B · · Score: 1

      .....Attaching tin-foil hat......How long before we have to report to re-education centers to have these transmitters placed in our brains....or maybe its already happened!!!!

  6. Low cost RFID scanners by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This same technology could be used for low-cost RFID scanners. If manufacturers can bundle an entire RFID interrogator on a silicon chip, it would reduce scanner costs and accelerate RFID adoption. The low power of this silicon-based GHz RF would be acceptable in many RFID scanning applications.

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    1. Re:Low cost RFID scanners by linzeal · · Score: 1

      I think you would want an omni-directional model first.

    2. Re:Low cost RFID scanners by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with this RFID concept is the price to adoption is in the $0.10 range which is a hard thing to do. Also the antennas for these are like 3" long pieces of plastic.

      I don't see what having a strong RF field generator on chip does? See, how they work is low/no power needed on-chip which is then excited by RF field and the chip replies with a signal which identifies it. What good does an on-chip "interrogator" do? And how exactly does help this adoption along?

  7. Sounds like fun... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... having radar in your car. Just don't be surprised one the police finds a way to screw you over for a few more bucks by using passive radar to determine your speed.

    1. Re:Sounds like fun... by Steno-RFC · · Score: 1, Informative

      Just don't be surprised one the police finds a way to screw you over for a few more bucks by using passive radar to determine your speed. If you dont want the police to charge you for speeding, stop going over the limit

    2. Re:Sounds like fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except..

      1. Many speed limits through towns are set purposely lower than the rest of the road to trap people because the town's main source of revenue is speeding tickets.

      2. Many cops will just out and out lie to wright a ticket

      3. Going 50 in a 45 is hardly putting everyone else in danger

    3. Re:Sounds like fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called using restraint. What are you in such a hurry for? Any retard can mash his foot on the accelerator. The wise driver is the one that stays under the speed limit. Try it sometime. Driving is so much less stressful that way.

    4. Re:Sounds like fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Going 50 in a 45 is hardly putting everyone else in danger

      Actually, going 45 in a 45 seems to cause a lot more problems. After getting an unfair speeding ticket, I drove the limit for almost two years. It really pisses everyone off and causes huge traffic jams in construction zones.

    5. Re:Sounds like fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      It really pisses everyone off and causes huge traffic jams in construction zones.

      That's because you're probably not staying to the right. Quit shitting your pants because of what the other drivers think. If you're on the right lane, they have plenty of other lanes to drive like a dumbass.

    6. Re:Sounds like fun... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point, but over here you get screwed over if you even go 4 kmh ( roughly 2,5 mph ) over the limit. They don't care if you're overtaking at the moment or not. Besides, the police are supposed to keep speeding under control where relevant, not where it is most profitable.

      It's quite a riot over here in the NL, where our goverment and police ( on all levels ) are practically conspiring against people with cars. Instead of maintaining control at essential points where people might actually be in danger from speeding traffic, ( such as elementary schools near long straight roads, faciltities for deaf or blind people, playgrounds, parks, roads adjacent to residential areas... ) they clock for speeds at places where, for example, the usual 120 kmph changes into 100 kmph for some reason no one understands in the first place. You see the 100 sign, you let go of the gas and less then a second later you see a flash in your rear view mirror and find yourself EUR 48 poorer then before.

      Also common around here are the roads with nonsensical speed limit. Why just 80 on a long straight road with clear and largely empty banks on either side and at least 50m away from the nearest house? The road isn't too busy and everyone wants to get to his/her destination in time. But you can NOT take advantage of this because as soon as you go 84 kmph, you've lost EUR 23 to some idiot dressed in blue. Meanwhile, on the less-busy parallel road just 5m from the houses, someone goes 100 kmph, nearly kills a playing kid and doesn't get fined because it's not profitable enough to station someone over there.

      I do not know what is worse: the fact I have to pay extra taxes because of poor laws in this country, ( Especially regarding highways when compared to Germany, where you can go as fast as you want during certain times iirc... ) or the fact officials downright LIE to us and STILL claim it is all for "safety" and not to just rake in some extra cash. Now this all might be very different where you are, but over here it tends to piss people off. Including yours truly.

    7. Re:Sounds like fun... by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...you've lost EUR 23 to some idiot dressed in blue.

      Which reminds me of little story:
      A man was driving pretty fast over a bridge when he was stopped by a cop.
      What's the hurry?
      I'm late for work.
      What kind of work do you do?
      I'm a doctor. I stretch assholes.
      Say what??
      Yes, I stretch assholes out to about 6 feet.
      What do you do with a 6 foot asshole?
      Give him a radar gun and put him on the end of a bridge.

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  8. Application Errors in the Article by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    * The chip could serve as the brains inside a robot capable of vacuuming your house. While such appliances now exist, a vacuum using Hajimiri's chip as its brain would clean without constantly bumping into everything, have the sense to stay out of your way, and never suck up the family cat.

    Not really. The radar might reflect off the cat or your leg, but would pass right through wooden furniture and walls. A radar-equipped vacuum cleaner would still bump into stuff.

    * A chip the size of a thumbnail could be placed on the roof of your house, replacing the bulky satellite dish or the cable connections for your DSL. Your picture could be sharper, and your downloads lightning fast.

    Wrong on size. Satellite dishes are big to both help collect enough RF energy to get a clean signal and to pinpoint on a single satellite. Without the needed collecting area and beam-forming span of the antenna, the signal would be weak and overlaid with signals from other satellites in orbit.

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    1. Re:Application Errors in the Article by Garak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yea, who ever wrote this article has no clue what they are talking about...

      Hajimiri's chip runs at 24 GHz (24 billion cycles in one second), an extremely high speed, which makes it possible to transfer data wirelessly at speeds available only to the backbone of the Internet (the main network of connections that carry most of the traffic on the Internet

      24GHz is just the operating frequency not the bandwidth. You do have alot of free bandwidth, free is in not sold already, but your still not going to get close to OC-192 speeds. The most rf bandwidth your going to get is maybe 500 Mhz and with 802.11g tech your getting around 20mbit of useable bandwidth out of 6Mhz. So (500/6)*20 = 1666, thats 1.67 gbit, not bad, but nowhere close to backbone speeds of 12gbit.

      This technology could replace the dish, but it won't be the size of your thumbnail. A phased array could be used to obtain a fare amount of gain with a 12x12" panel.

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  9. Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by tlk+nnr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is the frequency band at 24 GHz actually licensed for automotive radar systems?
    According to this press release it's not licensed in parts of Europe.
    And in the US, there is only a temporary license.
    I haven't found an unbiased summary yet - the referenced press release is from a working group of companies in the automotive industry.
    This summary says that the frequence is reserved for radio astronomy and similar users.

    1. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by OPTiX_iNC · · Score: 5, Informative

      24 GHz is licenced to the HAM's in the US, yet another way they are taking away our bandwidth.

    2. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by chang3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes. See FCC ruling. One of such radars
      I believe the issue of opening up this frequency for automotive use is currently being debated in Europe, too.
      There are protected bands around 23.7 GHz for ammonia spectral lines.See this list.

    3. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Can't we just force everyone to go digital so we can do fit more things into our limited em spectrum? Is there a digital HAM standard coming about yet?

    4. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by MonMotha · · Score: 1

      Indeed, 24-24.25GHz is allocated in the US to the Amateur service. So, use 24.25-25GHz, or 23.5-24GHz. It's only 250MHz when you're talking frequences in the GHz range. Very easy to avoid.

      Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC allows use of that band by unliscensed Part 15 users on a non-interference basis (ex: The 2.4GHz band your Wi-Fi network runs on is also allocated to the Amateur service, but you can use it anyway as long as you don't cause me interference). If a spread spectrum mode or similar is used, any Amateurs using that band are unlikely to even notice.

      Also, propagation at 24GHz is basically line of sight. Unless you point this thing at my receiver, I'm probably not going to know you ever transmitted, even if I'm looking for it!

  10. Radar Detectors will become useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will make those radar detectors (used to detect police radars in speed traps) virtually useless. Once every car is equipped with a radar, these detectors will beep continuously.

    Maybe they can be replaced with very sensitive tri-sensor devices that test for a specific combination of: doughnuts, coffee, and bacon.

    1. Re:Radar Detectors will become useless by boobsea · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lets see the most common American radar bands..

      X Band operates on ~10.5Ghz
      K Band operates on ~22.4Ghz
      Ka Band operates on ~34-35Ghz
      (source: http://www.snooper-uk.com/radar_laser_speedtrap_ba nds.htm

      The article states the frequency being used of is 24Ghz, so the only possibly problem might be with K band detectors.

      I dont think they would put both in the same band anyway.. wouldn't that interfere with the radar guns themselves?

    2. Re:Radar Detectors will become useless by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      I encountered a vehicle on a trip to las vegas that was definitely spewing out K band radar.

      I'm pretty sure it was a cadillac of some sort with a old couple in it, but i've never seen that problem at any other time.

      Of course driving past supermarkets with automatic doors causes problems..

    3. Re:Radar Detectors will become useless by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      ...specific combination of: doughnuts, coffee, and bacon.

      The policeman's triathalon...tri altholan...triatholan...oh, whatever.

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  11. Resolution by Mr.+Underhill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If my early morning math is right the wave length of 24Ghz is about half an inch. Does that mean that the chip could distinguish distances as small as half an inch?

    That would be really cool for a small robot if it could.

    1. Re:Resolution by chang3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, looks like your math is right. But the resoultion of a radar is mainly determined by its bandwidth, not the carrier frequency. i.e. Shorter pulse = larger bandwidth = higher bandwidth.

    2. Re:Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You can distinguish ranges smaller than the wave length. You can't see objects, details, etc that are smaller than the wave length.

      For the first you are just measuring time of flight and can look at the phase of the return signal to really pin things down. For the second, if it's too small, the radar doesn't even bounce off.

    3. Re:Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, it could distinguish EM signals with a wavelength of 1/2"... there is NO correlation to a radar signal bouncing off a 1/2" rock and the actual signal wavelength

    4. Re:Resolution by Mr.+Underhill · · Score: 1

      Well my thought was that since the the chip's clock was 24Ghz the minimum detectable increment would be a half-inch.

  12. Frequency. by Jack+Zombie · · Score: 3, Informative

    A related NY Times article is here.

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    1. Re:Frequency. by larkost · · Score: 1

      And if you read the article, you would know that it is a little lite on the details... and the parent question is valid. One of the articles implies that this chip is a panacea solution to computing problems.

      I think that the article writers don't understand technology well enough, and the 24Ghz is the radio frequency only. I would bet that the processing center is much slower.

  13. for the lazy by frazzydee · · Score: 0, Redundant

    for those too lazy to register an account- here's the new york times article:
    RADAR technology was once synonymous with the big and the bulky - for instance, the heavy, rotating antennas at the airport, scanning skies and runways. But lately radar, like so many other technologies, has been slimming down. Now a team of electrical engineers at the California Institute of Technology has shrunk the functions of a radar system into one tiny, intricately designed silicon chip and eight minuscule antennas. The basic building blocks of the radar system are all fully integrated on the chip, including power generation, signal processing, and dozens of other functions. The intricate parallel circuitry is designed so that the eight antennas can work together to focus and steer a beam of microwaves. Although the circuit design is highly complex, the silicon chip can be made in bulk using inexpensive lithographic methods, said Ali Hajimiri, an associate professor of electrical engineering who leads the group on high-speed integrated circuits that created the chip. "It should cost no more than a few dollars," he said. The high-frequency beams that the system generates and receives may one day handle many functions, including the usual radar jobs of ranging and location. In cars, for example, the chip might be used to detect other vehicles looming in the fog. The chip may also be used for wireless communications, since it has a broad bandwidth or range of frequencies at which it communicates. And it produces a bit stream at roughly the rate of fiber optics, more than enough for quick downloads of movies and other digital data. "D.S.L. can go to several hundred kilobits, and fiber can go to several gigabits per second," Dr. Hajimiri said. The radar chip can achieve bit rates up to a gigabit per second, partly because of the concentrated nature of the beam, he said. "The beam created by the chip is highly focused," he said. The chip could combine the functions of sensing and communication, say, for a group of army tanks that needs to stay in touch in the field. "Using these extremely high frequencies, you can first capture location, sending out pulses and scanning the area like a bat," said Volkan Ozguz, chief scientist at Irvine Sensors in Costa Mesa, Calif. Irvine Sensors makes miniature electronic systems, including sensors. "Then, using the same chipset, you can start communicating at high frequency," exchanging information without switching to different equipment, he said. The new radar chips do not create pulses as powerful as those now used in aviation systems, but they could be used in arrays to multiply their power, Dr. Hajimiri said. The eight antennas on the new chip are not the sort that protrude from old-fashioned rotating radar shells. Instead, the antennas - actually traces of metal on a PC board - do not move at all: their bearings are adjusted not mechanically but electrically by circuits that imitate the behavior of rotating antennas, focusing and steering the beam of radio signals in the right direction. Usually the radiated signals arrive at the separate antennas at different times. But electronic devices called phase shifters compensate for these delays, in effect combining and enhancing the collective power of the signal for a desired direction, and rejecting emissions from other directions. "It's neat because you can get the eight antennas to work together so that you can transmit in a narrow beam," said David B. Rutledge, a professor of electrical engineering at Caltech and a colleague of Dr. Hajimiri. "Then you transmit with eight times as much power." The phased array antennas can be made insensitive to unwanted signals, limiting interference. "In cellphones, when you add people, there's interference," he said. "But these circuits can figure out how to reduce power from a direction they don't want." Dr. Hajimiri used a comparison between a light bulb and a laser pointer to explain how the chip could make the best use of its power. Light bulbs illuminate the whole space, he said, but a laser c

  14. 1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Just guessing: The radar signal is generated by a microwave oscillator formed by some kind of folded structure on the silicon. The structure must be folded because it must be at least one wavelength of the generated frequency. The wavelength of a 24 GigaHertz signal is:

    (300,000,000 meters/second [the speed of light, approx.]) / (24,000,000,000 cycles/second [24 GHz]) = 0.0125 meters, or a wavelength of 1.25 centimeters.

    In photos, the radar chips are shown to be less than 1.25 centimeters in width and length. That makes me guess that there is some folded resonant structure.

    Does anyone know if that assumption is correct? Is it possible to generate a signal from a structure smaller than one wavelength?

    One of the articles says that the maximum transmission speed is 1 GHz, so that is the maximum speed of any digital or analog circuitry. The governmentally designated band is 22 to 29 GigaHertz, so the theoretical maximum speed of data transmission is 7 Gigahertz, the width of the frequency band.

    This is a major breakthrough. A large number of these chips can be combined with digital signal processing to make a radar that has an effective antenna size much larger than each chip. Large effective antenna sizes are also great for reliable directed data transmission.

    1. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a bit disappointed that slashdotter have modded this up so much when it is technically so wrong.

      1) there is a thing called "refraction index" or dielectric permittivity in books. Read them sometime and you ll understand that wavelength in void is not equal to wavelength in silicon.

      2) there is no physical reason why the chip would have to be a size comparable to wavelength. As for engineering reason, it is quite much the contrary: the class of electronic systems called "lumped" systems are much easier to design than those with distributed effects.

      3)Even if you consider a very simple modulation scheme like on/off keying (OOK, not to be confused with the language ;) , you have a data rate that is comparable to the carrier frequency, not the authorised bandwith around the carrier.

    2. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FCC won't let you radiate outside the 22-29 GHz band, even if it is directional, so 3 doesn't work.

      Yes, there is a refraction index, but so what? The question is how to make a transmitter in silicon at that wavelength, using a chip of that small size.

      Lumped system at 24 GHz?

    3. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by zerobeat · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is indeed possible for a device to generate radio frequency with a wavelength greater than the devices physical size. A typical AM station generates a signal at a wavelength 600 meters to about 200 meters. Most AM stations do not have antennas this long and their transmitter boxes certainly aren't this size.

      Frequencies can theorectically be generated with any size circuitry. Im pretty sure this circuit does so using the so called Phase Locked Loop (PLL) circuit, possibly mixing 2 or more together to get the very very very very high frequency by addition. This circuit does not require wire coils (often of relatively large size) to resonate at these "really" high frequencies. There would need to be a filtering step (or two or three) and I can see how this circuit would be hard to miniturize, but I guess they have done it!

      Typically for a radio signal to be radiated you need at least a half wavelength antenna but even this can be cheated at. In the microwave region where this device is working at, signals are best radiated using a "dish" type antenna. This chip no doubt does not come with this dish. It simply generates the rf at 24 GHz.

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    4. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the microwave region where this device is working at, signals are best radiated using a "dish" type antenna. This chip no doubt does not come with this dish.

      The article specifically states that the chip implements a phased-array of antennas. And that those antennas are actually physically on the chip itself.

      This is one reason why this solution will be cheap to implement - it does ALL the RF work for you, you simply connect "a computer" to the resultant datastream and interpret it how you like.

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    5. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by geekee · · Score: 1

      The chip has most likely has an onboard frequency synthesizer with an LC tank VCO generating the LO to generate the 24 GHz RF Output using a mixer. This can all be done using the latest SiGe technology, or GaAs or InP technologies.

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  15. Hype by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The chip is neat, but the article is very heavy on the hype. The only new thing here is putting everything including the antenna on one chip.

    And conventional radars do not cost "millions of dollars".

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    1. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      The only new thing here is putting everything including the antenna on one chip.

      Funny. The article I read says the antennas are on the PCB. What's new is they used Si, instead of more exotic materials.

  16. Radar chip is 24GHz by glassesmonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found the NYTimes article dumbed things down a little too much. Basically, this is a press release by a fairly young professor about a ISSCC paper to be presented next week.

    CMOS is getting fast enough (could be SiGe BiCMOS chip but probably CMOS) to allow for amplifiers and ADC (analog-to-digital) that work in the radar (~25GHz on up) range & also allows for million gate DSPs and digital logic on the same chip. The analog front-end is running around 24GHz which gives a 1/4 wavelength around 3mm (antennas are implemented as PCB traces off-chip). This is an analog GHz signal where the transistors are amplifying a tiny GHz signal using analog amplifiers. Digital clock speeds are completely different. Digital is like switching completely from off to on (ie. 0 to 5V -- in reality try 2V or 3.3V). This is like a uV signal being amplified to be later converted to a digital signal with a more reasonable bandwidth that a digital CPU could handle (like your overclocked Pentium).

    The parallel analog antennas & blocks which allows for parallel ADC of 8 channels.. 8 parallel radar antennas. By using parallel processing you can use the information gained by the other channels to improve your ADC or have each channel only need to work at 1/8 of the total speed. Also, having 8 antennas allows phased arrays where you can control the beam and allows you to scan the beam or block out other signals (much like cell towers can focus in on one cell signal, and why your 802.11 router has two antennas). So, depending on how much bandwidth the ADCs need & how fast the DSP is running is really the 'digital' GHz part of the chip. So the digital processing is probably a more reasonable 100's of MHz (though hard to compare DSP speed to CPU speed). The processed digital waveform can be sent high-speed off chip, or to on-chip CPU to be used to disable your cruise-control and hit the brakes for you.

    Why do you care? Well by using straight CMOS the radar system can be made on one chip and not need 'exotic' GaAs/SiGe/InP (BJTs of traditional radar systems) and when the automotive chips get down to sub-$5 they will show up in every car. Also doing it this way, much smaller power is involved and you don't need circuits that look like your microwave oven waveguides.

    1. Re:Radar chip is 24GHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm... first off. a few things. ISSCC was over last week. this is a CMOS chip. and 24 GHz is the center frequency, which says nothing abotu the bandwidth.
      and to reply to a previous poster, PLLs don't add frequencies to generate higher frequencies... PLLs are just used to generate a very stable frequency source. a regular oscillator is easier to make at high freq than a PLL at the same such frequency because you get less loading at the output. PLLs are loops put around oscillators to make sure they stay very stable by comparing them with a fine oscillator such as a crystal at a lower frequency... (i'm describing their use as frequency synthesizers, although PLLs do have many other applications)

      and don't always believe all that you see printed... some people present numbers that don't exist.

    2. Re:Radar chip is 24GHz by geekee · · Score: 1

      "CMOS is getting fast enough (could be SiGe BiCMOS chip but probably CMOS) to allow for amplifiers and ADC (analog-to-digital) that work in the radar (~25GHz on up)"

      They used an IBM SiGe proces according to my ISSCC digest

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  17. nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It really isn't that new or novel.. Just a PR Prof trying to toot his horn.

  18. anti-Fuzz Buster by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

    You bring up a very good point. With a simple radar detector, cops will be able to "see" you coming for miles. They'll probably legally have to using an active measuring system to "clock" you, but it can be completely automated, and they can nap in between suckers^H^H^H erm, taxpayers.

  19. please mod this down by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

    - The chip here is not "a major breakthrough".
    - The system here can be easily accomplished with two or three chips today.
    - The interesting thing here is a single CMOS chip implementation.
    - The VCO is probably a DVCO (distributed voltage-controlled oscillator) [this aspect of the design might be considered a design major breakthrough].
    - Things don't have to be "at least one wavelength".. In MMIC design you might care about 1/2 a wavelength... but regardless the antennas are off-chip anyways. And this isn't microstip / waveguide / co-planar design here.
    - If you want a large effective antenna system, you can build it with more cost. The point here is automotive which means low-cost, high-volume.

    1. Re:please mod this down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a major breakthrough because one chip is MUCH cheaper than 2 or three chips and the associated connecting circuitry.

      Could you point to some evidence that the antennas are off chip?

      The point of your post seems to be to establish that you know more, not to provide useful information to readers. Not everyone knows the terms MMIC and microstrip and co-planar.

    2. Re:please mod this down by geekee · · Score: 1

      " The interesting thing here is a single CMOS chip implementation. "
      brActually, they used a SiGe BiCMOS process from IBM

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    3. Re:please mod this down by geekee · · Score: 1

      "The VCO is probably a DVCO (distributed voltage-controlled oscillator) [this aspect of the design might be considered a design major breakthrough]."

      They used a 16-phase 19GHz VCO made up of 8 tuned CNOS differential amplifiers

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  20. (two words) Collision Avoidance by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

    I suppose the really tough part of anti-lock brakes or air-bags is 'creating the software'..

    This is just another component like those two innovations. It's not intended to drive around like George Jetson.

  21. Traffic monitors by CCCP4Life · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine placing these chips on top of light poles every 1/2 mile on big city highways. Now enable them to relay information to each other and broadcast it via Bluetooth or something like that.

    In your car have a GPS map that has wireless capability to these units. You can get a real-time traffic density map of the city and decide if you want to take the freeway home or take another route...

    Seems like a pretty easy app to set up also.

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    1. Re:Traffic monitors by BillX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Imagine placing these chips on top of light poles every 1/2 mile on big city highways. Now enable them to start photographing drivers and license plates whenever excess speeds are detected...

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  22. Reaching for my tin foil hat... by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    Not to be paranoid here but doesn't all this extra stray RF concern anyone? It's been proven that excessive radar signal was the cause of excessive cancer rates in some state troopers. True, those radar guns might have been a *bit* more powerful than what's being described here. Maybe the total exposure is dangerous like the great George Carlin once said, "...but only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time."

    It's not that I'm concerned so much about one or two of these things. It's the constant bombardment of excessive signal that I worry about. Should we be concerned? All I know is I don't want some guy in a white coat telling me 25 years from now that I have inoperable brain cancer due to radiation exposure coming off my toaster oven or some other appliance. That would kind of... Piss me off.

    "Aw, HELL YEAH! I gots me a RADARR in my car, my vacuum cleaner... Sheeoot! Even my CAT got an RFID collar!"

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  23. because braking is not always best by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Informative
    but wouldn't it be great to have the brakes applied if you lose attention for that one split second. Everyone I've known who has been in a car accident, (luckily they were minor) has said just that.

    As someone who volunteers at his car club's high-speed driver education events and has attended one of the events as a student- um, no.

    First, braking is NOT always the best choice. When you're doing 60 and a moose jumps out in front of you, you STEER, not BRAKE. Why? Because under about 200 feet, you're never going to stop in time but you probably can change lanes. Simple physics tell you why- it's a lot easier to accelerate a car enough to move 10 feet to the side than it is to bring the whole thing to a stop.

    Second, when said moose jumps out in front of you, steering while braking is exactly what causes many accidents, because you unbalance the car, shift a huge amount of weight to one corner tire, which becomes drastically deformed under the weight and becomes nearly useless; meanwhile, there's next to no weight on any of the other tires, and they're useless too. Your tires have what is called a "friction circle"; draw an X-Y axis, now a circle centered. That describes how much acceleration your tire can accomplish in any one direction. Notice that there's less of any one particular axis when you're doing both? Your tires always stop better when you're not trying to steer, and vise-versa. Both controls should ALWAYS remain under control of the driver so the system doesn't try to do something while you're doing something else.

    Third, proper driver education is a lot cheaper(just one $200-300 event, depending on the club, will teach you quite a bit about how to handle your car properly) in the long run.

    Your friends who have been in accidents need to analyze WHY they got into the accidents they did. I'm guessing an automatic braking system would not have "fixed" any of this, but better attentiveness, good judgment, and proper knowledge of how to handle their car would have.

    1. Re:because braking is not always best by pclminion · · Score: 1
      This guy speaks truth. I once attempted to brake and veer around a family of raccoons crossing the road late at night. The end result was I killed the raccoons anyway (an entire family :-( ) and my car ended up pointed the wrong way on the opposite side of the street, twenty yards down. A few more feet per second of initial velocity and I would've ended up wrapped around a phone pole.

      Since then I don't so much as tap the breaks for anything weighing under 100 pounds. The lives of little crawly critters are not worth more than yours (but it's godawful to hear them moaning in the bushes by the side of the road as they bleed out from being smashed by you.... Gah, that scarred me)

    2. Re:because braking is not always best by Digypro · · Score: 1


      That sounds like good advice for race track conditions, but for some reason I think that on a two lane road, I would like to have the brakes on rather than swerving into oncoming traffic...

    3. Re:because braking is not always best by Marvelicious · · Score: 1

      I agree. As someone who has spent a lot of time driving excessively fast, I can't imagine that any kind of automatic system could account for human experience, and familiarity with your vehicle. When I buy a new car, I tend to spend quite a bit of time learning how far I can push its limits so that I know how it will handle when I'm clipping along at 80 and Bambi suddenly wants to get up close and personal with my grill.

      As I said, I sometimes drive excessively fast, and occasionally I have gotten in wrecks, two of which were actually my fault. The only automatic system I can imagine to help in those two situations would be a variable governor that would keep me withing the speed limit. Trust me, I have no intention of getting such a thing installed!

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  24. Robotics by Zebra_X · · Score: 1, Informative

    This will be vitally important to the development of consumer robotics devices and the mitiuraization of existing devices. One of the big problems now with small robots is that they have limited choices for environmental perception. Ultrasound has a limited range and can easily be interfered with, Infared has the same limitations, and optics which is the ideal solution requires a large amount of processing for shape recognition. Ussing radar, longer range, lower interference sensing devices can/will be incorportated into robotic devices. Also, this is a huge boon for small remote controlled autonomous air vehicales, as it will allow them to have the sensing abilities of their larger cousins such as the predator. Whoo hoo!

  25. Radar on a car = Don't Be A Pedestrian! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could be a component, but only one piece. The really tough part if creating the software that intelligently drives. There are so many oddball cases you have to deal with in driving that it will be a very long time before this is possible.

    I don't think the goal is that loft at this point - we're talking about an aid for the (human) driver to see through fog.

    Quoted from the first line of the article:

    Imagine driving down a twisty mountain road on a dark foggy night. Visibility is near-zero, yet you still can see clearly. Not through your windshield, but via an image on a screen in front of you.

    This would be nearly impossible to implement by radar alone, but this is a step towards it.

    The problem, of course, is clutter. Fog, snow and rain all obscure your view through radar because of clutter and attenuation. Even with a very intelligent algorithm combining the skills of hundreds of experienced mariners, finding the sweet spot on the clutter and gain controls is difficult.

    Another issue is "obstructions" which won't cause an echo at all - like the very big fall waiting for you on the other side of the missing guardrail.

    Let's consider a worst-case scenario. It's raining. The gain and clutter are configured to give you a clear view of cars in front of you, guardrails, concrete obstructions, rocks, etc despite the driving rain.

    A few minutes ago, a truck drove down the road and a forklift pallet of toilet paper fell off the truck. Do you think your radar is going to show you its echo? I think its relatively weak echo will be filtered out as clutter...

    How about something more substantial, a big square rooftop HVAC unit sitting on the road, one of its four corners pointed directly at you? Even under the best possible circumstances, it's going to be very hard to get an echo off that, since there isn't a surface normal to the RF energy leaving your car...

    Or a kid, wandering around the road. Daddy had an accident because he trusted too much in his automotive radar system, and has been hurt. The clutter on your own radar system is set high enough to obsure the echoes from the water droplets of the driving rainstorm. Now, what kind of echo are we going to get off a human being, considering that we're mostly water?

    I've seen people on radar systems. You really don't see much, and I don't care whether it's X-band or S-band, a crappy little Furuno bought at the yacht club or a $200,000 interswitched Lloyds type-approved Racal-Decca ARPA radar used on an aircraft carrier. You're still not gonna see much of a target.

    While I was designing radar video systems for Litton (before the tech collapse), we had constant reports that bridge crews were using the radar for navigation, rather than properly sighting, having crew on watch, and bringing the ship to a slow speed with due consideration of conditions.

    The ship's captain probably has 20 years experience at sea, and is now in charge of a multi-million dollar vehicle with many lives on board. These are responsible, intelligent and experienced people. And they often take their radar's accuracy for granted.

    How, then, are we going to get Joe Sixpack who currently thinks nothing of driving around in his SUV, cellphone planted to his ear, to understand that the radar image presented to him is NOT infallible? That it is, despite its ability to "see" through fog, snow and rain, actually less accurate than the human eye?

    Hell, how are we even going to teach him to read the display? With several years of experience reading PPI radar displays, there's no way in hell that I would ever try to use it (or just a quadrant sweep) to drive a car. It's just not as intuitive as it would seem, and I can't even begin to imagine what sort of work would be required to try to create something like a TV picture of the road ahead.

    First off, to scan the image, the transceiver's antenna would have to be scanned - physically moved around - at the same speed as the desired refresh rate of the

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    1. Re:Radar on a car = Don't Be A Pedestrian! by RayBender · · Score: 2, Informative
      Fascinating post. You sound like you have a pretty good idea about radar. I only have one quibble....

      First off, to scan the image, the transceiver's antenna would have to be scanned - physically moved around - at the same speed as the desired refresh rate of the image.

      At the bottom of the article he mentions that these things are used as a phased array. You don't have to mechanically scan the antenna. This allows you very rapid switching. As for rates, lets say that you want a 1k by 1k image at 10 Hz. That's a pixel rate of 10 MHz, or 100 ns dwell time per pixel. That gives you a 50-ft range. Probably not sufficient, but close. You could very likely have multiple T/R beams simultaneously, as long as you are clever about sidelobe supression.

      That being said, you are right about issues with gain and calibration. It's unclear from the post what frequency this thing works at, but they did mention 24 GHz. If that's the radar frequency, then won't you have some significant reflections off of people? This is really mm-wave radar...

      By the way, I'd tought that passive imaging mm sensors were the next big thing; there is work on them for aircraft, I know. Maybe you could adapt this silicaon technology to that and make mega-pixel imaging mm arrays..?

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  26. This is interesting by pclminion · · Score: 1

    This chip interests me most from the aspect of pulse generation. What sort of circuitry do they have on there that's capable of producing the high-power RF pulses? Have you ever seen the kinds of diodes they use on big military radars? Those things can conduct thousands of amps! They're gigantic. How the hell did they build such a pulsed power system onto an itty bitty chip (yeah, it's definitely smaller scale than the mega-diodes I've seen but it's still impressive).

  27. What makes you think they are hi-po? by jake-in-a-box · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't see anything in the article that referred to power output - maybe I just missed it. But I think that there may be lots of applications where the kind of power you are thinking about isn.t needed, Military units need maximum range, and range is often hundreds of miles. But to spot another car in the fog all you need is a hundred yards or so.

    And the beam-focusing aspect means that 100 mW can go a long way.

    I was thinking that the communications aspect may be the big payoff, think what this would do for a cell-phone. No external antenna, and the comm beam always aimed in a direction other than the user's head. Cuts the radiation exposure by orders of magnitude. Of course you might not want to step in from of one...

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  28. Too late for Intel and AMD... by ndnet · · Score: 1

    This comes much too late for Intel and AMD. For the longest time, they had a clockspeed war, and now are in a stalemate.

    This would be the perfect reason to boost clockspeed - if this chip is cheap, fast, and has low power consumption, it would be perfect for wireless networks. In fact, if this chip is as commodized as the article tends to imply, then depending on range it could make ad-hoc networks simple and easy.

    But since it runs at 24 Ghz, even one stream would be too much for a standard server or one client PC to take advantage of fully. It would have to use some sort of buffering schema, IE, if you have a 2Ghz CPU dedicated on a server, then the card would hold the data until the CPU asks, then releases twelve times the data that the wireless chip put in the buffer at once.

    Still, I don't think that they'd start marketing on that point again. Soon as they are fast enough for that killer app, they're in the same boat as before.

  29. Yes Indeed.. Read the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    can an array of these be used to emulate a synthetic apreture radar, meaning that a flat panel gives you a 120 to 180 degree field of view from that panel?

    ONE Of these chips can. It's a phased array (aka synthetic aperature) radar on a single chip.

    ...provide an improved image...

    Probably. Researchers were doing this with hydrophones picking up background noise 5 years ago (sorry, I don't have a link, I read it in Scientific American)

  30. Radar on a Chip by Steve500 · · Score: 1

    There was a big thing in the mid-nineties about Micropower Impule Radar (MIR). Again this was just a kind of radar on a chip. It all sounded great but I recently read that the laboratory involved was being investigated for fraudulent claims. http://golhoeft.addr.com/mirrpt99.htm Lets hope this new work bears fruit.

    1. Re:Radar on a Chip by anubi · · Score: 1
      I have played with a variant of this.

      Basically, it was a CMOS "Linear Feedback Shift Register", aka "PseudRandom Sequence Generator" (PSRG) which generated a predictable stream of 1 and 0. The output signal went to both a "D" type flip-flop and the class-C buffer amp which fed the transmit antenna. The idea was not to transmit the levels of the PRSG, but just the edges. Those edges are sharp and transmit well... ( eh, ANY digital edges are sharp and transmit well, and we jump through all sorts of hoops to try to minimize radiated EMI. ).

      Ok, the idea is we are making a helluva EMI racket in the immediate vicinity. But its a known racket, as we are generating it on the spot. Back to the D flip-flop. It is clocked a varying swept time from the time the PSRG is clocked. We now feed the edges ( capacitive coupling ) of our delayed PSRG to a mixer, where we use this to multiply back to the signal coming in from our receive antenna. We are mixing lots of little narrow spicks of both polarities from both our intentionally delayed PSRG, with those little spicks coming in from the antenna, and we are looking for when they match up.

      Remember, we are only looking at edges. The mixer output is a voltage representing the statistical correlation of how well the two streams are matching up. When these edges line up, that means the delay from clocking the D flip flop is the same as the delay for the PSRG from the main generator to go through the amplifier, to the target, and back. I am not talking about a fancy radio on for the receiver, its more like a wide open wideband RF amp input.

      Bring any amplifier near the thing and you will hear it. AM radio tuned to dead air works great. Sounds like white noise.

      By sweeping the delay, you get a report on anything in your vicinity reflecting your PSRG signal back to you as a function of time ( i.e distance traveled at the speed of light. You then get back info on how far out you looked, and how much energy got bounced back at you from that distance away.

      It was to be used for things like sensing how close your bumper was to anything, as well as intrusion detection ( of the human body type ). What you would do is baseline your environment response, then look for any changes in it. Your changing area then was the area that had something moving in it.

      This was a really fun thingie. I played around with one for quite some time as a "home security system", as I could set the delay for something like 30 feet out. Anything greater or less than 30 feet wouldn't arrive at the mixer at the right time and wouldn't be seen... only stuff right at 30 feet would be seen. If I saw quivering of the signal, I knew something was amiss. Although I did have falsing problems with wind blowing wet trees, it would quite easily pick up someone walking through the spherical "sense area", while ignoring my trips to the bathroom and around the house, etc.

      If you wanna play with one, they are quite easy to make with off-the-shelf CMOS 74AC logic and RF mixers.

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  31. range anyone? by Seahawk91 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know everyone is excited about the chip that uses almost no power to act as a radar. However, unless they re-write a few laws of physics, I thought the range of a radio signal was dependent upon its power with a few other environmental factors thrown in. Did I miss something, or has no one stated the range of this device yet?

  32. Harmonics by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    If they get the HW frequency high enough, couldn't they step it down in software to receive lower frequencies too, DSP the signal to filter for harmonics, and tune in any frequency in the entire band? Is this device the quantum leap to a cheap, tiny, single chip universal antenna?

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    1. Re:Harmonics by gordguide · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's all about the power with radar. So, it's unlikely that a chip that actually manages to get in the right bandwidth to work as radar with the available power it has available is going to have much output below that optimum. I would bet they are using whatever frequency that sits on top of the bell curve, and are happy to have it.

      Transmit; listen; figure out the difference between what you heard and what you should have heard if it went on indefinitely (ie no relfection). Repeat, very quickly.

      The listening part is already at it's limit as to finding small reflections, though, they're already a very, very small fraction of your transmitting power. That's where all the computing is taking place, where you put the software resources.

      You mentioned harmonics; I think you misunderstand them a bit. They don't go both ways from the original frequency. You must listen at the same frequency as you transmit; if you listen at a harmonic above that frequency you might hear something at a much reduced level; if you listen at anything below your fundamental frequency (the transmit one) you hear ...

      Nothing.

      There is no such thing as a harmonic below the fundamental.

      Lowering the frequency in the transmitter means you need more power and it probably won't fit on a chip. If somehow you did try it with an existing chip, all that happens is you get even smaller levels of bounced signal power (you're transmitting less level because you're below the transmitter's optimum) which means even more difficulty listening for reflections.

      By the way, diffusing reflections and therefore making an even smaller percentage of them bounce back to the reciever pretty much sums up the whole working theory behind stealth. If you think about it, each attempt to reduce your available reflected signal numbers and strength is like building stealth into your radar. That's like deliberately building bugs into your debugger.

      Since virtually all (1) radar systems that can see more than a few metres still require large vacuum tube transmitters to work at all (power, power, power), I'd say this chip is pretty much state-of-the-art and I'd bet they're doing all they can with what we know how to make and what we physically can make right now.

      (1) I'd say all (period) but I'm not privy to everything and governments do keep secrets. Perhaps some automotive-types that watch 10 feet for a parked car might be solid state, but so far as the ones I know about, they all still use a small transmitting tube. Solid State transmitters are coming; but this story is really about a breakthrough in making a SS radar at all.

    2. Re:Harmonics by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That was an illuminating (pun intended :) discussion of radar, our divergence in viewpoints is semantic. Fundamental frequency is the lowest frequency of the vibrations, but subharmonics are found at the integer fractions of any vibration. In perception (at the receiver, whether ear or antenna), the "fundamental" is the dominant (loudest or highest amplitude) received frequency, that "defines" the tone for the apperceptive apparatus (whether auditory cortex or the ESound driver :).

      When I started DSP programming in 1990, we were a spinoff technology from military radar installations identifying planes by their radar signatures. We revised radar DFT software to analyze digital video sensor streams for "digital prepress" (desktop publishing), and downsampled UV data extracted from the colored dye filters on the optical sensor to increase accuracy in our remodeling of the spectrum of the incident light at the sensor. But that was a decade and a half ago, so I expect that DSP techniques (as well as reconfigurable hardware; we crunched DSPs with FPGAs) now routinely capture high harmonics to reconstruct valuable subharmonics. Reconfigurable sensor hardware would make my phones really light, and make me really smart.

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    3. Re:Harmonics by gordguide · · Score: 1

      Very interesting stuff, that.

      Semantics indeed. Of course I do know you can synthesize a subharmonic by studying the upper harmonics (lots of relatively inexpensive products do it now and have for a while); it certainly seems to be valuable as an error-correction mechanism.

      I see now you were referring to a system that involves receivers that listen at higher than the fundamental (many times higher, to work right) and then reconstruct what must have been below. For some reason I though your original post was referring to a receiver that ignored those frequencies.

      Very interesting work you do.

    4. Re:Harmonics by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      In the digital domain, terms like "lowest frequency" and "highest frequency" actually have meaning, as noise attenuation in the quantization enforces a nonlinear signal window. But in the "analog" (real) world, any vibration has an infinite series of sub/harmonics. The frequency of impetus impulse (pluck) can be considered a "fundamental", as can be the loudest received frequency (ping), but all the integral sub/super waves exist. So while this radar chip is exciting, I'm interested to see how analog engineering can deliver more info to the ADC, for better reconstructive modeling. How did you come across your own expertise in this field?

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  33. Smart Wheels by Musik · · Score: 1

    After reading Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash a friend and I looked into how hard it would be to make something like the smart wheels on YT's board or on Hiro's bike. It really just came down to having a really accurate map of what was in front of you. So low power cheap accurate radar would be ideal. Of course you still need something that can pulse one of the spokes like 18/sec at just 60 miles an hour but hey why not...

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  34. Body Aura-mour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From David Syes

    I think I coined this first: Body Aura-Mour...

    Imagine this being used on soldiers' ensembles... you could wear a weapons system that tags friends' IFF transponders to reduce fratricided (accidental or intentional, to prevend fragging the 2/LT);

    It could be used to locate and link up with allies, or to sneak up on unsuspecting targets in almost any kind of weather.

    Moreover, it could help police and firefighters. Ever more frightening, school kids could me made to rent them and affix them to their uniforms. Now, roll call will have a whole, umm, new dimension.

    But, it could also be used to help people avoid being horned when the bull races occur. But, I guess that would take the fun out of being rammed in the rear or the spine or gut.

    BodySAR--- Body Synthetic Aperture Radar... Interesting applications...

  35. No more speed traps... by TakeIT2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, in about 15 years at least...

    To get a licenced vehicle it will have to have a similar chip in it, pointing at the ground below the car 2 feet from the cars edge. The car will report the speed to you and the cops. No high speed chases, just a ticket or summons in your mail box, maybe it will even triggar an auto-funds-debit (no pun intended.) Forget self driving daydreams, the reason we like to drive is autonomy (again no pun.) Even futuristicly, self driving is a luxury add-on, that this chip might only make slightly less cost prohibitive for general production. As part of an Auto's BlackBox/Lojack system this would be a very, very ecconomical inclusion.

    ...At least 15 years in the USA to get all the juristictions on the same page. The way most people drive, this is like money in any Goverments bank that posts a speed limit.

    Hmmm, I wonder how many snapshots a digital camera (or bank of cameras) would take in focus with this chip by its side? Entry ways, crowd scaning; can this chip be used in high speed facial reccognition systems?

  36. Re:No more speed ... (handing out reality checks) by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

    If the ground is two feet away from you and approaching at speed, you're falling and about to die.

    RADAR doesn't track "the speed" of an object, but actually only measures its distance (and we get the {relative} speed by calculating change in distance over time).

    RADAR is probably going to have a hard time giving you the speed of what amounts to an infinitely large something which is a constant distance from you.

    And while we're at it, because it's only tracking distance, and you're looking "at the ground, two feet ahead" anytime you approach a speedbump it'll "see something with rapidly decreasing distance", ditto when you crest a rise or drive through a ditch. So you'll get some ludicrously unbelievable false-readings (if you were merely calculating the speed).

    Obviously these are not issues for most current/typical uses of RADAR. In an aircraft, anything approaching you rapidly is an issue, ditto where the RADAR from a fixed location.

    Pointing RADAR at the ground from a few feet away is really quite pointless, if you haven't already realised it's there you've got bigger problems than knowing *exactly* how fast it's approaching you.

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  37. It's not the proceessing speed that matters. by geekee · · Score: 1

    "This current chip is sure to be much more successful than its predecessors as far as the automobile industry is concerned, but whether or not its processing speed will become important in the computer industry remains to be seen."

    24GHz is an FCC assigned band for automoive radar. The processing speed isn't the issue since the radar signal is mixed down to extract the basesband info, which is processed at a much slower rate. 24 GHz is significant since phased array antennas at this frequency are getting small enough to put in car bumpers without being too ugly for the people who care about what it looks like.

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  38. operation clarification by geekee · · Score: 1

    "The chip runs at a staggering speed of24 GHz (enabling it to transfer data as fast as the main network of the Internet) and can soon lift wireless, high-frequency communication to a whole new level."

    24GHz is the carrier frequency of the radar. The amount of information in a signal is related to the bandwidth of the signal, as well as linearity and noise. This design was done in SIGe BiCMOS, which is more than capable of designing a wireless tranceiver at 24Ghz RF frequency. The phased-array signals are mixed down to baseband and probably converted to digital, at which point a DSP chip would then process the information in the signals at a much lower clock frequency using standard CMOS.

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  39. What is the tuned circuit on the output? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    Okay, but what is the tuned circuit on the output? There are no "LC tanks" at 24 GHz, right?

  40. I am not smart enough by gone.fishing · · Score: 1

    I am not smart enough to fully appreciate all of the applications that a chip of this nature could perform but after reading the article, I am still wondering what it really is? Is it something akin to the "one chip calculator" that launched the personal computer revolution - a multi-function device that is versitile enough to do many jobs well? Or is it closer to a GPS on a chip - a device that does one job and does it well - that can be interfaced with other components to do a wide variety of tasks?

    I'm not going to argue the physics or the legalities. I suspect that the physics are well covered by the professor's work (but not by the press release) and I suspect that the legalities will be addressed but somewhat slowly.

    I've seen what radars were like and what they are like today. Things have really changed by integrating GPS, mapping, and radar and integrating the result on an LCD display. Products like this are still kind of expensive but available for recreational boaters who have a few thousand for them.

    I can see how this technology, in a "dummed down, cost reduced format" could be integrated into cars and used as a driver's aid (ala On-Star). I can see how it could be "militarized" and used on the battle field and, I can see how it's phased array could be used to direct a wireless signal to specific devices for high-bandwidth data transfer. If it can be produced cheaply enough I'm sure there are thousands of potential uses that nobody has thought of yet.

    Frankly, the announcement kind of nags at me for the lack of information that it contains. The more I think about it, I'm gonna drop it into the vaporware category until I see the first products on the market using this technology. There are many hurdles to cross before it goes commercial. I'm suspecting that this is more "pure research" than "applied research." In short, I am not holding my breath. I expect the practical applications that may come from this are still a long way down the road.

  41. Complaint about traffic ticket by solprovider · · Score: 1

    2. Many cops will just outright lie to write a ticket.

    I am about to send a letter to the court about a ticket I received 2 weeks ago, and have already paid.

    I believe that the primary purpose of our traffic laws is to make every driver into a criminal. The officer wrote me a "Disregarding the Signs" ticket which costs money, but does not affect my license. If he felt I was a dangerous driver, he should have written the ticket to reduce my ability to drive, or to force me to take driving classes. His performance showed that his true purpose was literally highway robbery.

    If you travel in eastern PA, please remember that the areas around the Turnpike exit for Morgantown, and Route 422 on the east side of Reading are popular places for ambushes by the local police. The ambushes are usually at night in areas where if you did go off the road at twice the speed limit, you would travel almost 100 feet before meeting a tree.

    The Valley Forge Turnpike exit leads to the King of Prussia mall. The local police like to give tickets on the roads around the mall. They do not patrol the rest of the town. There have been 3 hit-and-runs damaging cars in front of my house in the last 2 years. My car was damaged in one of them; the paint left on my car was a distintive green, and enough silver paint was gone from my car that some must have been on the other car. The police's only assistance was to offer to write a report for my insurance claim. (Another police officer stated that posting a message to the nearby bodyshops was standard procedure in his town.)

    Here is my letter:

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    Please send the officer who wrote me a ticket to classes in observation and public safety.

    The following happened on Route 10 South between the ramp from I176 and the light at Route 23.

    The officer told me that I "almost hit that other vehicle". That is his phrase for safely coming to a stop about three feet behind a truck that had parked in the middle of the exit ramp. He was aware the other vehicle had stopped unsafely while there were plenty of places to pull off the road, but did nothing about it.

    The officer told me I was speeding, and following too closely. The distance between my car and the truck constantly increased until there were more than 6 car lengths between us when the truck's brake lights lit to stop at the red light. (I was under the previous traffic light and the truck was about halfway between the two lights if someone needs to measure.) The truck must have been travelling faster than my vehicle (or physics dictates that I would have hit it.)

    The officer told me the speed limit was 35 mph. The posted speed limit sign states 45 mph. Please correct whichever is wrong.

    The officer said that I did not come to a complete stop at the red light at Route 23. I came to a complete stop. I checked for a "No Turn on Red" sign. Then I turned my head to check for traffic. My car has a manual transmission, and I did not put it into first gear until after I checked for traffic. All this took at least the two seconds required by state law. If the law is different in your district, then it should be posted.

    When I arrived at my friend's house about 2 blocks from where I was pulled over, their first remark was that one of my headlights was out. The officer made no mention of this, even though it is a safety issue.

    Every statement the officer said was false. If he was concerned with safety, he would have pulled over the truck that stopped in the middle of the exit ramp. If he was concerned with speeding, he would have pulled over the truck as the fastest moving vehicle. You decide the motivation behind his actions, and whether he should remain a member of your police force.

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