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Germany Muzzles SCO

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skyryder12 writes " We have news from Germany. It seems, according to Computerworld, that SCO Group GmbH (SCO's German branch) agreed, on February 18, 2004, to an out-of-court settlement between it and Univention and will refrain from saying in Germany some things it says in the US constantly. There are four things they have agreed not to say in Germany, on pain of a fine of 10,000 euros per offense -- that's about $12,500 USD -- and one thing they can't say unless they present proof within a month of the settlement date. Story at GrokLaw"

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  1. Good to see... by Da+Fokka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad the european judicial systems are not as prone to SCO's legal guerilla tactics as the US system is.

    1. Re:Good to see... by SMOC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's no such thing as "the slashdot crowd". Opinions differ. That doesn't mean slashdot contradicts itself.

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    2. Re:Good to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Are you mad or just insane"(*)

      They can't say it unless they prove it. You can't destroy anyones reputation just because. First you gotta prove it...

      (*) King Diamond

    3. Re:Good to see... by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There ought to be an exception for 'obvious falsehoods'... else this free speech thing seems to be a misused and abused tool by big-boy corporates to screw the economy and all other small-time-geeky-nerdy-innovative-guy next door.

      Can the open source developers affected by SCO's statements lay their hands on millions of $s from the Bank of Canada or Deutsche Bank to bolster their case? Free speech isn't free if it costs a fortune in court....

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    4. Re:Good to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      it seems to me that if the US courts did something like this to a small business man (rather than to Satan), the slashdot crowd would be screaming about Ashcroft and free speech rights.

      ...and another part of the Slashdot crowd, the one based in reality, would point out that commercial speech has long been restricted in ways that individuals' speech has not, and that businesses can't go around lying in order to make money (cue Microsoft jab, 3, 2, 1...).

    5. Re:Good to see... by socrates32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm... That's not quite the point.
      They have been barred (as a result of an out-of-court SETTLEMENT) from making unsubstantiated claims that are intended to harm their competitor's business.
      Where is the First Amendment violation?
      newSCO had an opportunity to back up their claims in court, but instead AGREED to back down, so they could keep up the rhetoric back home.

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    6. Re:Good to see... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Free speech is usually best when what's being said is true. In SCO's case, they're getting into the bad habbit of of annoucing a future action of theirs, and then not following through on it.

      Say what you want about the RIAA, but at least when they threaten to sue somebody, they follow through on it. I don't see it as that bad a thing to require that when SCO announces they're going to file a lawsuit, they should at least have to do it. Afterall, a victory against just one defendant would legitimize SCO's main claim that they're owed money by everyone who loses Linux. However, if they lose, most of their FUD will be declared something that doesn't stand up in court.

    7. Re:Good to see... by EricWright · · Score: 5, Informative

      Free speech rights don't include the right to libel or slander. Unless SCO can prove otherwise, they are certainly guilty of slander (Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation) against, at the very least, Linus for claiming he is the ringleader of an international group of IP pirates and copyright infringers.

      Libel (A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation; the act of presenting such material to the public) requires publication. I'm not sure what, if anything, SCO itself has published. Most publications have been interviews with SCOs officers, published by various members of the media.

      IMO, BTW IANAL TLA, SCO is also guilty of barratry (The offense of persistently instigating lawsuits, typically groundless ones) as they have filed numerous suits against various groups without providing so much as a shred of tangible evidence (ie, evidence that wasn't refuted within 24 hours).

      In short, take those free speech arguments and shove 'em where the sun don't shine. Even free speech has its limitations...

    8. Re:Good to see... by buzzdecafe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently you didn't notice: This was a *settlement,* i.e., SCO agreed to the terms. If they wanted to continue speaking to their black little heart's content, simply reject the terms of the settlement and see how you do in court. For some reason, SCO decided shutting up was preferable to putting up. So don't give me this "free speech" crap. One can make the inference that if SCO had *anything* worth saying, they would not have agreed to the settlement.

    9. Re:Good to see... by kramer2718 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first amendment does not protect against fraud or extortion. What SCO is doing amounts to that. They are lying about their IP ... furthermore they are attempting extortion by their constant threats to sue various people. They furthermore are slandering various entities involved with Linux, AIX, etc.

      U.S. courts muzzle people as well ... frequently when the Enquirer or some other rag prints some inaccurate garbage about someone, they are forced to stop and often pay a settlment. What SCO is saying is inaccurate, and they're being muzzled is totally reasonable.

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    10. Re:Good to see... by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't mean this as a troll, but it seems to me that if the US courts did something like this to a small business man (rather than to Satan), the slashdot crowd would be screaming about Ashcroft and free speech rights.

      Two issues here: even an ACLU liberal like me won't argue that free speech is so absolute as to preclude laws against slander or libel. And most of us would be willing to have limits on threatening speech, although this is more subject to abuse.

      The second issue is that "free speech" is very much an American idea. That's not to say that freedom is unknown in Europe, but Europe is far more willing to restrict speech that would (generally) be considered protected in the U.S. Germany, especially, is far more willing to subjugate free speech to social order, as a result of seeing the particular zeal with which certain very bad ideas were formerly so lovingly embraced by German listeners.

      I'm referring, of course, to Germany's Nazi past: as a result, Germany law holds social order -- the protection of ideals of democratic government -- to be more important that a right to the exhortation of Nazi "hate speech", including not only speech in favor of Fascism but also Fascism's ugly underpinnings, such as racist and anti-Semitic speech, and minimization of Fascism's consequences, such as Holocaust denial.

      Other European nations are also more leery of speech that is too stark a reminder of history, as we saw with France's restriction of eBay's sale of Nazi memorabilia. Britain, too, is less concerned about free speech, but limits speech less through hate-speech laws than through far easier to get judgments against libel and slander.

      One of the strongest arguments of free speech advocates in the U.S. is that the best antidote to "bad" speech is not suppression, but instead the "free marketplace of ideas": "bad" speech is supposed to generate counter-arguments against what it advocates, allowing a free people to freely weigh both sides of the question and -- presumably -- end up even more strongly against the "bad" speech. (I keep using scare quotes around "bad" not because I'm a fan of hate speech, but because this argument for free speech presumes that it is up to each listener, and not a government, to determine in his own conscience what speech is "bad".)

      I'm inclined to agree with this analysis, but furthermore, I can't see what alternative to it allows a people truly to be free, and I worry that suppression of hate speech in Europe -- and Germany in particular -- is just a tacit acknowledgement that these countries don't really believe that all the demons of their past have truly been put to rest, that they fear that Fascism might again prove irresistibly seductive if allowed to be advocated freely.

      But I'm an American, not a European, and I have the luxury of living in a land that has never been touched by Fascism or Communist Statism, where Democracy -- however unevenly applied to minorities or women or the poor -- was at least the ideal to which we pledged ourselves. And of course, the U.S. has not been shy about restricting free speech in its colonial possessions, as a perusal of our laws in the Philippines or Cuba makes clear.

      Lest we forget, not only Germany, but Italy, Portugal -- until 1974, and Spain -- until 1977 --, were Fascist, and Eastern Europe -- including East Germany -- languished under Communist Statism just as tyrannical until the 1990s. With that perspective, it's perhaps more understandable that Europeans feel they must -- to paraphrase the U.S. doctrine in Vietnam -- restrict freedom in order to save it.

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    11. Re:Good to see... by DrHyde · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This idea that a corporation should have rights - such as free speech - as if it were a person strikes me as being quite spectacularly daft. A corporation is *not* a person, but an artificial construct the existence of which is merely permitted by laws. Also it is incapable of assuming the responsibilities of a person, is not subject to the same penalties when it misbehaves as a person, and therefore should not enjoy the same rights as a person.

      Regulating what a company can say is just fine. If the shareholders don't like it, they are still perfectly capable of speaking in their capacity as individual citizens.

    12. Re:Good to see... by pubjames · · Score: 5, Interesting


      I know that views like yours are common in the USA. However, many of us here in Europe look to the USA and don't much difference in the level of "free speech" in either place. True, there are a few laws in a few countries in Europe that go against "free speech" in the strictest sense. But in the USA you have something we don't have so much of - increadable social pressure to conform to what society thinks is right.

      For instance, we don't have any type of speech that is publicly ridiculed for being "Un-european". We don't have ridiculous over-reactions like that of your country to the exposure of a woman's breast. And what is "free speech" if your actors cannot give their personal opinions about current events when accepting awards?

    13. Re:Good to see... by kmonsen · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think a reality pill is in order. Yes you live in a country that has been touched by fascism. One easy example is the McCarthy (?) period where any socialist ideas where in effect banned.

      What many americans don't realise is that there can never be total freedom. In a total free society you would be free to do what you want, and I would be protected from your actions. This is not possible if we want different things. There will always be a tradeoff between your freedom and my protection. We europeans just have a (slightly) different tradeoff.

      You and me refere to fictional characters here of course.

    14. Re:Good to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
      But I'm an American, not a European, and I have the luxury of living in a land that has never been touched by Fascism


      First of all, I'm aware that history books in the USA do a bad job at this, but you really should differentiate between fascism and nazism.

      Fascism was the system in place in Italy, Nazism was the system in place in Germany and has a lot in common with it, but there are a few very significant differences.

      The most important one is evident from Muscolini's opinion about Hitler, he thought the man was obsessed with racial issues.

      In fact, the system as the USA has today is very close to fascism, it is a system in which big business runs the country, and where the government acts on their behalf. Traditional fascism comes with a fair amount of nationalism and national pride, and usually (but not by definition) results in expantionalism. At any rate it perfectly matches Muscolini's own definition of fascism.

      This very aspect of Nazism is what provokes very strong reactions among jewish people specifically, but also among almost anyone who has lived through it in EUrope, and those who were brought up knowing about what happened.

      Both Nazism and Fascism heavily lean on glorifying the past, and use a lot of symbolism in order to keep people from looking at reality.

      What was forbidden in France is selling things that have been used in such a way by Nazis speicifcally, interestingly enough, you wont see the same vigorous attempts at suppression with purely fascist things.

      When looking at the response to nazism in much of Europe, you have to think back to events on sept. 11 and what emotions it triggered in the USA. multiply it a few 1000 times to get to the scale of what Europe experienced under Nazi rule, and you can also count on emotions being proportionally stronger.

      Regarding Germany, laws there are not much different from those in the rest of Europe, tho tend to get implemented more strictly (but hey, that is a german thing to do, they do that with lots more then just those rules and laws)

      That for example Mein Kampf is not available in Germany is first of all due to the current copyright holders preventing that (happesn to be the government of bavaria if I'm not mistaken) and not because of it being forbidden by law.

      Finally, not allowing 'hate speech' as is the case in many European countries is just putting a slightly different line then is done in the USA. Which line is better is up for debate, but neither have absolute free speech.

    15. Re:Good to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >"free speech" is very much an American idea

      This isn't correct, but typical of contemporary US nationalist meme-thinking. The conceptions of free-speech are somewhat different in Europe and the US but if you think "it is very much an American idea " you are in need of an education.

      - The idea of free speech originated first in Europe (maybe elsewhere also). Scores of euro philosophers/political thinkers have argued for free speech long before the US existed, including ancient greeks.
      - The european provisions you mention are insignificant. There are far more important factors to free speech, such as good public service media and the conditions of political campaigns.
      - The worlds oldest freedom of the press-laws are European (the first one was made law in Sweden, which is in Europe last I checked).

      In practice, socio-political debate in west-european countries span a much wider range of ideas than that of the US, and is far more critical of government (power in general). That is the main point of free speech.

  2. Hmm.. by freerecords · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a British guy, I hope we get similar things brought in in Britain soon.. SCO needs to be stopped once and for all, and this seems like a fine (excuse the pun) way to do it.

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  3. How does it come? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That US law couldn't do such things?

    1. Re:How does it come? by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Essentially it boils down to the fact that the US government and justice seem to have degenerated in little more than a farce. They're so busy rewarding their corporate sponsors and begging for future campaign contributions, that they seem to have forgot who they're really supposed to represent. (Hint: the people.)

      In Europe this hasn't happened yet.

      I'm not saying that European politicians are born more honest. They're not.

      I do say, however, that here the democratic checks still work. The press, the unions, the other parties _and_ the other countries in the EU will raise a ruckus sky-high at the slightest hint that a politician may be bought or acting against the people's interest.

      Maybe more important is that here, to the best of my knowledge, all countries have more than two parties. There is no lack of choice for voting someone else into office, if the current lot does a bad job.

      Better yet, most often parties have to form fragile alliances to be anywhere near a majority. You can't take "we're the majority" for granted and do whatever you damn please. (I.e., reward those who paid for your campaign.) Often to get your own Law X voted, you have to secure the support of one or two other parties. Which might imply altering the law so they like it too, or supporting their own Law Y, or whatnot.

      Chances are good enough that enough of those will do the populist thing and refuse to support stuff that would piss off their voters. Or want to have it changed so it at least looks good to their voters.

      Speaking of fragile alliances: having one or two members in the parliament can (and often does) make _the_ difference between being the alliance leader or having to follow. There's a real competition for Joe Average's vote. You don't want to piss off Joe Average too much.

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  4. Full Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    We have news from Germany. It seems, according to Computerwoche, that SCO Group GmbH (SCO's German branch) agreed, on February 18, 2004, to an out-of-court settlement between it and Univention and will refrain from saying in Germany some things it says in the US constantly. There are four things they have agreed not to say in Germany, on pain of a fine of 10,000 euros per offense -- that's about $12,500 USD -- and one thing they can't say unless they present proof within a month of the settlement date.

    Details of the settlement from the article:

    1) SCO Group GmbH (German branch of SCO) has agreed not to allege any more that Linux contains SCO's unlawfully acquired intellectual property.

    2) The settlement also forbids SCO from claiming that if end users are running Linux they might be liable for breaches of SCO's intellectual property.

    3) Also they cannot say that Linux is an unauthorized derivative of Unix.

    4) Finally SCO Group GmbH is prohibited to threaten to sue Linux users unless they bought SCO Linux or Caldera Linux.

    I asked a couple of others who speak German to make sure this last was an accurate translation, even holding off on the story for half a day, because it still sounds a bit odd. Evidently, they can sue their own customers in Germany if they feel like it. Perhaps others can refine our understanding. The news article also says that they can't allege that proof of copyright violations will be presented soon, unless such proof is presented within a month after the settlement date, in which case, then SCO Group may continue to make that claim publicly.

    Thanks primarily to doughnuts_lover, who did the initial translation for us.

    Here is a snip from the German, for those who can readily understand it:

    "Die SCO Group GmbH wird danach im geschaftlichen Verkehr, also gegenuber Kunden und Anwendern, kunftig nicht mehr behaupten, dass Linux-Betriebssysteme unrechtmaBig erworbenes geistiges Eigentum von SCO Unix beinhalten. Der Vergleich verbietet es SCO ferner zu behaupten, dass Endanwender, wenn sie Linux einsetzen, fur die damit verbundenen Schutzverletzungen der SCO Intellectual Properties haftbar gemacht werden konnen. Auch die Behauptung, Linux sei ein nicht autorisiertes Derivat von Unix, ist nicht mehr statthaft. Last, but not least, darf die SCO Group GmbH nicht mehr behaupten, Kaufer von Linux-Betriebssystemen hatten eine Strafverfolgung zu befurchten, es sei denn, es handelte sich bei den gekauften Betriebssystemen um SCO Linux oder Caldera Linux. . . .

    "Nach diesem wird SCO auch nicht mehr offentlich behaupten, Beweise fur die Urheberrechtsverletzung wurden demnachst vorgelegt. Ausnahme: Sollten diese Beweise innerhalb eines Monats nach diesem Vergleich vorgelegt werden, kann die SCO Group GmbH solch eine Behauptung weiter veroffentlichen."

    1. Re:Full Article Text by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 5, Informative
      Here's a translation of the German bit:

      "SCO Group GmbH will henceforth in its business relations, that is, towards customers and users, no longer claim that Linux operating systems contain illegally aquired intellectual property of SCO Unix. The settlement further prohibits SCO from claiming that end users, if they employ Linux, may be held liable for infringement of SCO Intellectual Properties. Further, the claim that Linux is an unauthorized derivate of Unix, is no longer acceptable. Last, but not least, SCO Group GmbH may no longer claim that buyers of Linux operating systems had to fear criminal prosecution, unless the operating system that was bought is SCO Linux or Caldera Linux...

      "Henceforth, SCO will also cease to claim publically that proof for the copyright infringement would be presented shortly. Exception: Should this proof be presented within one month after this settlement, then such a claim may further be made publically."

  5. Gagged..... by cuteface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    something which perhaps the US courts should do more often?

    Watching from the sidelines, I'm sometimes disappointed at the trial by media and sensationalist reporting going on in the US. But then I'm not an American so maybe I'm out of touch.

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  6. Fall stock price Fall! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now, what will make the remainder of my day great is a falling SCO stock price. Now I just have to wait for the markets to open...

  7. S.U.S.E by moberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a big supporter of S.U.S.E linux, but i'm sure this settlement made them relax a bit.

    1. Re:S.U.S.E by StupidGoose · · Score: 5, Informative

      I hate to be an ass but it's SuSE or Suse, not S.U.S.E., it's not an acronym, it stands for nothing.

      Gesellschaft fur Software-und Systementwicklung MBH.

      Company for software and system development.

      But still. it's spelled SUSE.

  8. Good ol' Germans! by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unlike Americans who are born with the lawyer gene, Germans are born with the engineer gene. So this decision is not so surprising ;)

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  9. The customer is always right? by kyrre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally SCO Group GmbH is prohibited to threaten to sue Linux users unless they bought SCO Linux or Caldera Linux.

    SCO is only allowed to threaten people that actually bought Caldera or SCO linux? Good thing I never bought either then...

  10. Germany has a sense of humor by Liselle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not only that, but it looks like their justice system has a sense of humor: SCO can't sue any Linux users except their own customers. That's comedy gold, right there. ;)

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    1. Re:Germany has a sense of humor by EricWright · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's a mistranslation. SCO has been saying that they reserve the right to sue any Linux user, except those who bought a SCO or Caldera distribution. The German court says that SCO must quit saying that.

      Apparently, the translation turned from saying the above to, SCO may not threaten to sue any linux user, except those who bought a SCO or Caldera distribution... gotta distribute the logical not throughout the statement properly!!!

    2. Re:Germany has a sense of humor by dirkx · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is a bit more subtle; going back to the german version it says that as "Univention" essentially represent all, -except- for those with whom SCO has a direct relationship, the ruling affects all but those. So SCO can do with its -own- customer what it wants; it just should not mess with "Univentions" their customers.

      Note that it is not just sue - but "Strafverfolgung"; i.e. a criminal offence reported to the "attorney general" which the "people' bring on, rather than a civil law case.

      Dw

    3. Re:Germany has a sense of humor by 4eek · · Score: 5, Informative

      What Univention used against SCO is what the Germans call "Beweislast" (burden of proof). According to German law, the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff. This means SCO cannot, according to German law, make public statements threatening anyone about anything especially if this would undermine the accused (Linux in this case), before the accusations or claims have been proved to be true in a court of law. This is how things should be since it stops alot of unecesarry lawsuits

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    4. Re:Germany has a sense of humor by llogiq · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are you really sure? I have read the german text, and I think the translation is quite correct. (Having german as a mother tongue helps here ;)

      The german law implies you may not sue anyone who does not have business with you or interferes with you in some way. Therefore, if SCO tells it will be suing people they have no business with, they are obviously wrong.

      Paragraph 263 of the german "Strafgesetzbuch" (criminal code) seems to apply in this case (fraud, making false claims to extract property).

      Oh, and the obligatory IANAL.

  11. another good thing is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nach diesem wird SCO auch nicht mehr offentlich behaupten, Beweise fur die Urheberrechtsverletzung wurden demnachst vorgelegt.


    This fifth statement had been left out:
    they can't any anymore that their proof will turn up "real soon", unless they actually do it! That should cut down on the crap press-releases...
  12. Re:Another idea by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gag Slashdot yourself -- uncheck "Caldera" under your Homepage settings.

    I should fine you 10 000 Euros for having to tell you this after it has been mentioned in every fscking SCO story. Besides, I would think a story relating to a case that threatens Free and open source software would be considered "news" on a site full of FOSS fans.

    Again, you're free to uncheck "Caldera" whenever you want. No more SCO. Enjoy.

    In conclusion... speak for yourself.

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  13. Re:Cat Got My Tongue by mattjb0010 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, Darl? This is irony calling.

    Yeah, I'd like to take an iron to Darl too...

  14. sue their own customers by cnb · · Score: 5, Funny

    I asked a couple of others who speak German to make sure this last was an accurate translation, even holding off on the story for half a day, because it still sounds a bit odd. Evidently, they can sue their own customers in Germany if they feel like it.

    Sounds like a cool twisted ploy to make them lose their two remaining german customers.

    - cnb

  15. Translations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    @ Sysiphus:

    That all-caps line isn't so nice a thing to post (pre-1945 national anthem, forbidden to sing in Germany). The intend is warmly received, the wording is not. ;-)

    That being said, I'll try myself at a word-by-word translation. (Native German speaker, me...)

    "Die SCO Group GmbH wird danach im geschaftlichen Verkehr, also gegenuber Kunden und Anwendern, kunftig nicht mehr behaupten, dass Linux-Betriebssysteme unrechtmaBig erworbenes geistiges Eigentum von SCO Unix beinhalten."

    "The SCO Group GmbH will therefore refrain, in future business communications, meaning in communication with customers and users, from claiming that Linux operating systems contain unlawfully purchased intelectual property of SCO Unix."

    "Der Vergleich verbietet es SCO ferner zu behaupten, dass Endanwender, wenn sie Linux einsetzen, fur die damit verbundenen Schutzverletzungen der SCO Intellectual Properties haftbar gemacht werden konnen."

    "The settlement further forbids SCO to claim that end users, in employing Linux, could be held liable for the implied violations of SCO intelectual property."

    "Auch die Behauptung, Linux sei ein nicht autorisiertes Derivat von Unix, ist nicht mehr statthaft."

    "Also the claim, Linux were a non-authorized derivative of Unix, is no longer allowed."

    "Last, but not least, darf die SCO Group GmbH nicht mehr behaupten, Kaufer von Linux-Betriebssystemen hatten eine Strafverfolgung zu befurchten, es sei denn, es handelte sich bei den gekauften Betriebssystemen um SCO Linux oder Caldera Linux. . . . "

    "Last but not least (translator's note: I don't believe this is the official wording), the SCO Group GmbH must no longer claim that purchasers of Linux operating systems must fear lawsuits if the purchased operating systems are not SCO Linux or Caldera Linux..."

    "Nach diesem wird SCO auch nicht mehr offentlich behaupten, Beweise fur die Urheberrechtsverletzung wurden demnachst vorgelegt."

    "After this, SCO will no longer claim in public that proof for the copyright infringement will be presented shortly."

    "Ausnahme: Sollten diese Beweise innerhalb eines Monats nach diesem Vergleich vorgelegt werden, kann die SCO Group GmbH solch eine Behauptung weiter veroffentlichen."

    "Exception: Should these proofs be presented within one month after this settlement, the SCO Group GmbH may continue to publish such a claim."

  16. Muzzling SCO is irrelevant at this point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Somebody has sure muzzled Darl since the Harvard talk a few weeks ago. SCO ain't made a single peep since then.

    So telling SCO they have to shup up now instead of six months ago doesn't appear to be doing much that hasn't already happened.

    The real question is why Darl has felt it necessary to deprive us of his rather unique insights into intellectual property ownership.

  17. The court of judge subjectstorm by subjectstorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    person: judge storm! judge storm! the people of slashdot are badly misinterpretting item 4 to mean that SCO may only sue their own customers!

    JS: mmm . . .

    person: judge storm? shouldn't we correct them?

    JS: no . . no, i'm going to allow this one.

    person: but-

    JS: SILENCE! my position is unassailable. now bring me a goblet of cheese and all 25 episodes of "Berserk". i need to do some thinking on more important matters . . . such as how that CAN'T be the LAST episode, can it?!?!? Griffith, you BASTARD!!!

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  18. This proves it by miketang16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole fact that SCO was willing to settle so easily, and give up their rights to bitching, proves that they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

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  19. original injunction by graf0z · · Score: 5, Informative
    The settlement is based on this preliminary injunction from may 30 2003 containing - besides juristic framework - just one sentence:

    Der Antragsgegnerin wird [...] verboten, im geschaeftlichen Verkehr die Behauptung zu verbreiten, dass LINUX-Betriebssysteme unrechtmaessig erworbenes Eigentum von SCO UNIX beinhalten und/oder dass Endanwender, die LINUX einsetzen, fuer die damit verbundenen Schutzrechtsverletzungen der SCO Intellectual Properties haftbar gemacht werden koennen.

    I try to translate, but beware my english (maybe someone can do a better job on this):

    [SCO Group GmbH] must not spread the assertion that linux operating systems contain unlawfully obtained property of SCO UNIX and/or that end users could get hold responsible for implicated intellectual property infringement implicated by using linux.

    Thanks to LEO

    /graf0z.

  20. Dear SCO by Lobo_Louie · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dear SCO,
    You're null unt void.

    Signed,
    Germany

  21. Contacting SCO's European Office by CdBee · · Score: 5, Informative

    If any concerned people wished to contact SCO's European head office, to press them to abide by the terms of the German court throughout their European market, they can do so at the following address:

    EUROPEAN HEADQUARTERS
    The Santa Cruz Operation, Ltd.
    Croxley Business Park, Hatters Lane
    Watford WD1 8YN, United Kingdom
    TEL: +44(0) 1923-816344
    FAX: +44(0) 1923-813808
    E-MAIL: info@sco.com


    It would probably do no good but, well, you never know.

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  22. According to German Law by 4eek · · Score: 5, Informative

    What Univention used against SCO is what the Germans call "Beweislast" (burden of proof). According to German law, the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff. This means SCO cannot, according to German law, make public statements threatening anyone about anything especially if this would undermine the accused (Linux in this case), before the accusations or claims have been proved to be true in a court of law. This is how things should be since it stops alot of unecesarry lawsuits

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  23. Common sense in Germany by BCW2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing that any judge in any country came up with a simple and common sense solution. Maybe some US courts can pay attention, rulings don't have to be 20 pages of convoluted crap thats unreadable to 90% of humanity.

    Is there a way to send this to the judge in Utah? It might make this a short case.

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  24. Re:Finally by Curtman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see Yahoo is doing its typical head-in-sand journalism. No mention of this anywhere, but what the top story?

    SCO Signs Intellectual Property License Agreement with Leading Dedicated Server Provider

    Makes me sick.

  25. You gotta love german by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any article that starts with...

    Die SCO Group...

    has got to be good!

  26. Re:Finally by tomknight · · Score: 5, Funny
    Havinmg misread the headline, I thought it weas some pretty strange action:

    "Germany Nuzzles SCO"

    I think it's time I went home.

    Tom.

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