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Novell Headed To Linux Enterprise Desktop In Asia

Bill Kendrick writes "Novell's Asia-Pacific division is working on Linux desktop trials in Hong Kong and Malaysia, with the expectation that Linux's adoption on enterprise desktops will continue to grow. They expect many more companies to start embracing it within the next 12 months." A spokesperson from Novell comments: "I don't see it as a watershed where everybody's running Linux desktops, but you'll start to see the emergence of some examples of companies that have embraced Linux and are going down that path."

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  1. More open source news for various Asian countries by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...can be found at AsiaOSC.

    They've got good info on each country - i.e., here's the page on Malaysia. They also serve as a mirror for Open Office, various BSDs, multiple RedHat releases, and so forth, so they're doing more than just gathering news. No banner ads, either.

  2. Yeah, well... by bad+enema · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is only because they couldn't get the paper clip to speak Chinese.

    1. Re:Yeah, well... by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course you guys are trying to be funny, but it may be significant to note that both Hong Kong and Malaysia are countries where a lot of computing is liable to be done either in English or, at the very least, in a Roman character set.

      English is the second official language of Hong Kong.

      The official language of Malaysia is Bahasu Malaysia -- not "Chinese" -- and in written form it generally uses Roman characters.

      I'd be interested to see what these desktops look like, but I'm betting Asian language support probably wasn't one of Novell's big motivating factors.

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  3. More to embrace than meets the eye by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more that an open desktop is embraced the more that open standards are embraced stopping big companies like M$ from having closed standards.

    Can't do business if you can't share information.

    1. Re:More to embrace than meets the eye by PacoTaco · · Score: 4, Funny
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  4. Partnering for a domestic content rating? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This raises the possibilty that Novell will partner with some Chinese software firm in order to pass China's impending domestic software content laws. I'm sure that the Chinese government would give Novell a nice domestic content seal of approval if Novell brings some IP and perhaps $$$ to the Chinese table.

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    1. Re:Partnering for a domestic content rating? by coupland · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Surely you're joking right? You're not actually contending that Novell has the business volume and financial muscle to sweeten the pot for a nation that boasts a population of 1.3 billion? China doesn't need Novell, their economic policy is quite simple: "We have such an enormous population that we can afford to have exclusionary trade policies and it won't hurt us." Whether this is true or not isn't something I care to debate, but the fact of the matter is they don't want to fill the coffers of *any* North American businesses. Be it Microsoft or Novell.

    2. Re:Partnering for a domestic content rating? by Vancorps · · Score: 5, Informative
      Sorry but you're plain and simply wrong. Run on over to Novell's website and look at their press releases. Novell has been involved in creating the whole chinese infrastucture. Cisco and Novell have been making massive amounts of profits in China in the last few years which is what essentially has been keeping Novell alive, same goes for Cisco for that matter. Remember not long ago Cisco execs reduced their salaries to $1 to same 10,000 jobs at Cisco, they are back to full salary now and Cisco is hiring new people. China is not as nieve as you take it for. They understand that duplication of efforts to achieve the same result is wasteful.

      That doesn't mean they won't build their own desktop where there is wiggle room for error. When it comes to servers China will stick with the products that have a reputation such as Netware and Linux and shy away from tarnished companies such as Microsoft and Sco.

    3. Re:Partnering for a domestic content rating? by coupland · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Run on over to Novell's website and look at their press releases. Novell has been involved in creating the whole chinese infrastucture

      I ask this with all respect and seriousness: "Are you on dope?" No, what I mean is that I took your comment on good faith and went to look at the Novell web page. The only thing on the Press Releases web page is the press release from today, March 1st. And there's nothing on the Corporate Press Releases page even remotely related to China. Under International Press Releases there isn't even a section for China. Did you think I'd be too lazy to check their web site on your suggestion?

      Now as for being wrong, I'm not. China is well aware that their infrastructure is based on Cisco hardware and Intel-based PCs and Microsoft software. That's why you see things like the Dragon chip and threats of domestic software quotas. China wants to transition their population from importing these technologies from western companies and develop them locally. Whether it be Novell or Microsoft, China doesn't want to import all their technology from a potentially hostile nation. You know, a nation with a pre-emptive strike policy?

      And furthermore, how can anyone with a straight face say that Novell can sweeten the deal for the Chinese government by offering IP? We're talking Linux on the desktop here, what IP does Novell control that has relevance to Linux on the desktop???

  5. Novell on the move by KingDaveRa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is Novell's biggest Linux move since buying SuSE, seemingly putting some weight behind it. I'd be interested to see how they fare out in the asian countries.

    China will love them, what with the red colour scheme and all...

  6. I was wondering when Novell would get into by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the market. They have the software, the knowhow, and the capital. Their reputation, although a bit outdated, is a bit of a boon as well.

    Any Novell execs listening, open-source Openexchange and break the demon's back!

  7. East great place to start by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The east is a great place to start. They are embracing technology over there greatly. The newest cell phones and other technology are going on there. Plus the east (including china and india) has 1/3 of the worlds population. Pretty smart place to start.

  8. Asian Markets... by SisyphusShrugged · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Asian Markets work very much off of a piracy basis for their software, the large amount of software not being paid for or used within the context of a western office environment.

    This appears to me to be another part of the trend of companies salivating over the numbers...(Ooohh, 500 Quadrillion-Billion-Monillion people in China, thats a lot more than America!)

    1. Re:Asian Markets... by RailGunner · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And that piracy is a big reason why Linux can work so well in the Far East. When you have a culture, or class of people, that are used to just pirating what they want, then it's a pretty easy sell to say - instead of dropping a few bucks on a pirated OS that you really can't verify whether or not it's been tampered with, here take this free, open source OS.

      Now, once the market in Asia is set up that it predominantly runs Linux - I think there will be a huge market that opens up for custom software for Linux, that could be a boon to the US economy - selling custom code and service to the large economies of Asia.

      And since Linux is free, and represents Freedom, maybe the people there will realize how great freedom is and want more of it.. putting pressure on the tinhorn communist dictators that run the region.

      Exporting freedom and capitalism never hurts...

    2. Re:Asian Markets... by warrior_on_the_edge_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Say what you will about Windows but it is intuitive

      There is NOTHING intuitive about current input devices and methods.

      What you MEAN is:

      "It's like the previous version"

  9. Americas and Europe next? by nycsubway · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd love to see that here. I think a Linux desktop would make a lot of people happy, the users for having linux and the managers for saving money. Maybe if it takes off there, Novell and others will try it elsewhere.

  10. The War Is Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been following the rise of Linux for the some time now. I don't run it, I run OS X and don't give a damn about the GPL.

    However, all the MS people I talk to have had a dramatic change of heart with the recent annoucements like this one. Nothing they've said explicitly, but the tone has changed from denial to they are finally coming to terms with the fact that Linux 'will' take over at some point. It's now only a question of how fast.

    The US will probably lag behind the rest of the world, but it's only a matter of time now.

    1. Re:The War Is Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you have been following the news over the past few months you'll see:

      * MS execs are starting to warn about the growth of the company slowing
      * The 'Linux discount' is spreading like mad across the globe
      * Longhorn is getting pushed farther back
      * The virus/security situation actually seems to be getting worse every week
      * MS has nothing to replace their desktop and monopoly revenues
      * MS shareholders are getting pissed at not getting much bigger dividends
      * They've lost the server war
      * MS execs have been doing nothing but selling for the past three years
      * The possiblity of insane product liablility class action lawsuits are rising for the virus/security nightmare over the past ten years

      I could go on all day.

      There wasn't anyone particular point, but somewhere in the last six months the entire computing world, minus MS and SCO, collectively went "Fuck it, I'm switching to Linux"

      No, MS isn't unfortuenately going to just dissapear tomorrow, but the amazing thing about the growth of Linux is not the velocity, but the acceleration.

    2. Re:The War Is Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of hardware comes from the Pacific Rim. The more we see Linux/GPL in Asia, the better driver support. Most laptops and portable devices are manufactured there. It wont be long before we see compatibility originate with Linux before we see it with Windows/Mac. Why doesn't Apple show more interest in Asia? Wouldn't it be great to see more Asia-friendly Apple products. The Japanese would be a great market since they define "cool" for most of that region. Apple could do really well if they could get past the American-centric image they currently sport.

  11. Apps for Linux desktop by prostoalex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the list of the best-selling software titles for 2003 (by quantity sold, not dollars fetched):
    1. TurboTax 2002 Deluxe
    2. Norton Antivirus 2003
    3. Turbo Tax 2002
    4. Norton Antivirus 2004
    5. TurboTax 2002 Multi State 45
    6. Taxcut 2002 Deluxe Block
    7. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Upgrade
    8. Microsoft Office XP Student and Teacher Edition
    9. Taxcut 2002 State Block
    10. Norton Internet Security 2003

    You can see that tax software is huge thing for a bunch of people to have on their desktop. Office suite is another. Internet security (not just antivirus, but user-friendly firewall, port manager and other utilities).

    Office is pretty much covered with OpenOffice, so that's done. As for Internet security tools, I am not sure which ones exist for the end user, but perhaps industry could come up with some.

    Tax software. Is there a good tax package for Linux, allowing those millions of accountants, small business owners and middle-class Joe's like you and me file their taxes?

    Out of free (of charge) software that is getting huge market share of desktop, what would the Linux equivalent of:
    - Kazaa
    - Real Player
    - ICQ/AIM (ok, Gaim is a good alternative)

    1. Re:Apps for Linux desktop by BCW2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have asked Intuit to port Turbo Tax to Linux every year for the last three. The first time they emailed me and said thy were looking into it. I have been ignored the last 2 times. I don't expect a response this year either. When someone come out with something similar for Linux, Intuit will never get another dime from me.
      Quasar from Linux Canada is nice accounting software. It can be used as personal for 30 bucks or upgraded to business far cheaper than any Win product I've heard of. Not free but useful and modestly priced.

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      Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
    2. Re:Apps for Linux desktop by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tax software. Is there a good tax package for Linux, allowing those millions of accountants, small business owners and middle-class Joe's like you and me file their taxes?

      www.turbotax.com online. I've been using it for years now.

      --
      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    3. Re:Apps for Linux desktop by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Funny
      Out of free (of charge) software that is getting huge market share of desktop, what would the Linux equivalent of:

      - Real Player

      Ooo! I know!

      #!/bin/sh
      # RealPlayerOne, Linux port ( Dark Lord Seth, 01-03-2004 )

      dd if=/dev/random of=~/realplayer.tmp bs=1024 count=1024
      dd if=/dev/random of=~/tmp/realplayer.core bs=1024 count=1024
      dd if=/dev/random of=/var/real/buffer bs=1024 count=10240

      echo "Buffering...\n\n"
      sleep 10

      echo "Buffering...\n\n"
      sleep 10

      echo "Buffering...\n\n"
      sleep 10

      echo "Connection reset by peer."

      #rm ~/realplayer.tmp
      #rm ~/tmp/realplayer.core
      #rm /var/real/buffer
    4. Re:Apps for Linux desktop by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently the person who modded you up didn't check on what you said or just doesn't run Linux.

      Ever heard of Firestarter? That's one GUI firewall I can think off the top of my head. Let's see here, how about fwall?

      As far as your corporate firewall question, you might check into PF and OpenBSD OpenBSD As far as Smoothwall did you try the corporate version or just a free download? Googling, lookg what I found as far as your remark about outgoing ports and Smoothwall.
      Haven't seen such a blatantly uninformed post in a long while.

  12. Baby steps please! by BCW2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A step at a time, first networks, then the desktop. The domination by Linux will not happen overnight. How long did it take M$ to get where it is? Look at where they are now, with all the mistakes(Win 3.0, 95, Me, Bob), that get repeated, over and over and ...... and they are still the biggest gorilla on the planet. Don't think the Linux world won't make a few, but we are (hopefully) smarter and have learned from the mistakes of others and won't repeat them.

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    Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
  13. It's 2004... by TeaEarlGreyHot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you know where your Linux desktop is?

    The headline to this story should read "what took so long?" I consider the fact that Linux HASN'T made a major entry into the enterprise OR consumer desktop to be a MAJOR failing. Linux should, by now, be on 15-20% of desktops. What's the problem? Consider:

    -Hardware isn't a problem. Linux pretty much supports just as much hardware as Windows does. And, if you are a desktop vendor, it really isn't a problem to write your own drivers.
    -Applications aren't a problem. Linux has perfectly functional word processors, spreadsheets, web browsers, instant messengers, and email/calendar/groupware. Plus, they're free!
    -File exchange isn't a problem. Any major file format that Windows/Mac users read/write and be read/written in Linux.
    -With the proliferation of sub-$500 computers, Windows and 3rd party software becomes a major portion of the price tag. Linux makes economic sense here.

    And this has been the case for AT LEAST FOUR YEARS! I think by now we have to start asking hard questions about who's to blame for this. I can think of a few. I would start with the desktop environments, KDE and GNOME. They continue to present an environment that is far too complicated for the computer novice, and fail to cover up the weirdness of X. I would also blame the distributions, who could have, in turn, covered up the weirdness of KDE and GNOME. Application install/uninstall is still a nightmare for users who are skiddish of a command line. I should be able to download a program installer, open up a file browser and browse to where I put it, double click to do a graphical installation, and then find the program in an add/remove programs system contol, and click delete to get rid of it.

    Finally, I blame the elitism of the Linux community, who continue to regard the OS as belonging to computing guru, and would much rather bring the user to Linux than Linux to the user. Making easy tasks easy does not "dumb down" Linux.

    Sorry, mod me down if you want, but every so often I feel the need to rant about this. It's 2004, and there should be thousands of grandmas out there emailing and IMing on Linux. The fact that there aren't is a really sad thing.

    1. Re:It's 2004... by Welsh+Dwarf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where have you been these last 2 years?
      To refute your posts, I will use examples from Mandrake 9.2 (some say there is a lot better, but it's always worked for my computer illiterate friends).

      KDE? weird? I, and none of the above mentioned friends, have any trouble or any quirks. A lot of my friends actually appreciate stuff like the audio cd device that allows you to rip like you'd copy, and if there were a few bugs in 3.1.4, try out 3.2, the formula spell checker is bliss, no slashdotter should be without!!!

      Application install/uninstall. hummmm, what's so hard about going to configuration, uninstall-software, and typing in what your program does to find it and remove it? got an rpm? just double click, enter root password and your done. One point I will admit defeat on though is package maintainers refusal to put icons in the menus though, which is a general UI sin in this day and age.

      As for the Linux community elitisme, I'll accept that alt.os.linux.slackware is no place to ask how to mount, but OTOH alt.os.linux.mandrake is fine for newbe's, and really helpfull in general. Otherwise there's the mandrake forums.

      Just to get the facts streight

      David

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      Ask 8 slackers a question, get 10 awnsers (a citation, but I can't remember from who)
    2. Re:It's 2004... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You certainly bring up some valid concerns or areas where Free Software can improve. However, you completely ignore the biggest reason more people are not using Linux. The Microsoft monopoly and people's adversion to change.

      Microsoft is a convicted, largely unregulated monopoly. They use this power to force computer makers to put Windows on every system they ship. Then, when "grandma" or "Joe Average" buys the computer, they have no desire to replace what came on it with something else. This perpetuates the Micorsoft empire and will be VERY difficult for Linux to break.

      I have moved my family to Linux. They all love KDE, from my non-tech wife down to my 6 year-old. I have helped others make an informed choice as to what OS they want to use and few have any problems using Free Software on a day to day basis.

      It's just that most people don't know they have a choice and Microsoft does the best it can to make sure they don't find out.

    3. Re:It's 2004... by TeaEarlGreyHot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should you care what other people do with their computers? When Microsoft rolls DRM into the OS, and marries the Windows to the BIOS, and congress decrees that all non-DRM-compliant computers are illegal "circumvention devices," then you will care very much that Linux failed to create a popular, open platform to prevent this from happening, even though the Linux development community was INCHES away from making it possible. I have no problem with closed source software, but platforms and standards should remain open. Open standards are what made the Internet possible. They are what made the PC boom possible. And, if you care about open platforms and standards, then you should care about how many people use Linux.

  14. It's called... by Azureflare · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Inertia. Also, in terms of learning, people are familiar with windows, and it's what has always been around. It takes a lot of effort to change that.

    I think the major failure is getting the word out to people that linux is just like windows in terms of usability with environments like KDE and Gnome; now we just need the application and driver vendors supporting linux like they support windows.

    It's all in the marketing man. Marketing is key. It has nothing to do with this supposed "elitism" you speak of. Elitism is a thing of the 90s. I don't see vendors like Mandrake, Xandros, Lin---s, etc. being "elitist" towards their users.

    We need someone with a lot of money, and we need to get the word out in as many places as possible.

    Aye, there's the rub! We need money to advertise, and yet, money is only made once the operating system is quite popular (i.e. on support, etc.). So, someone is going to have to invest in it; and with the recent bursting of the bubble, investment has gone wayyy down, RIGHT when linux became really viable on the desktop!

    Just great, eh? Oh well, I'm hopeful that with IBM's efforts and others, things will come around eventually.

    It's ok man, and remember, market dominance isn't everything.