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Novell Headed To Linux Enterprise Desktop In Asia
Bill Kendrick writes "Novell's Asia-Pacific division is working on Linux desktop trials in Hong Kong and Malaysia, with the expectation that Linux's adoption on enterprise desktops will continue to grow. They expect many more companies to start embracing it within the next 12 months." A spokesperson from Novell comments: "I don't see it as a watershed where everybody's running Linux desktops, but you'll start to see the emergence of some examples of companies that have embraced Linux and are going down that path."
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if by Asia they mean Ice Cream trucks
...can be found at AsiaOSC.
They've got good info on each country - i.e., here's the page on Malaysia. They also serve as a mirror for Open Office, various BSDs, multiple RedHat releases, and so forth, so they're doing more than just gathering news. No banner ads, either.
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Mod this funny.
Always get fisted in the "end".
This is only because they couldn't get the paper clip to speak Chinese.
After all, you can buy copies of WinXP in that region for $5, even less if you are any good at bartering.
In Asia, everyone roves rinux.
The more that an open desktop is embraced the more that open standards are embraced stopping big companies like M$ from having closed standards.
Can't do business if you can't share information.
Evolution or ID?
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This raises the possibilty that Novell will partner with some Chinese software firm in order to pass China's impending domestic software content laws. I'm sure that the Chinese government would give Novell a nice domestic content seal of approval if Novell brings some IP and perhaps $$$ to the Chinese table.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
WTF is with the headline "Novell Headed To Linux Enterprise Desktop In Asia"
Is that supposed to be English? I hope it's not a sign of the headlines to come when all of /. editors speak engrish.
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I am very interested in open-sourcing my Asian back end.
Is Linux good for this, or it it whack?
Thank you!
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I think this is Novell's biggest Linux move since buying SuSE, seemingly putting some weight behind it. I'd be interested to see how they fare out in the asian countries.
China will love them, what with the red colour scheme and all...
It's interesting to note that Linux adoption is widely driven by mostly fucked-up and corrupted countries like Malaysia, China, Russia, Nigeria and others. The developed economies, like Germany, realize that adopting Linux is too much of an effort in the first place.
Why is it happening? Well, suddenly out of nowhere the support companies that are licensed to install and support Linux in those economies appear, and it's no one's surprise that suddenly the head of the biggest Linux company in China is the son of current government boss.
For the same reason in Indonesia Linux spurred new wave of corruption, where thousands of dollars are washed away into "support contracts" to unknown companies (belonging to some government officials), because generally government was used to Microsoft-size budgets and now the same money is not spent on FSF or Apache Found., it just disappears.
the market. They have the software, the knowhow, and the capital. Their reputation, although a bit outdated, is a bit of a boon as well.
Any Novell execs listening, open-source Openexchange and break the demon's back!
The east is a great place to start. They are embracing technology over there greatly. The newest cell phones and other technology are going on there. Plus the east (including china and india) has 1/3 of the worlds population. Pretty smart place to start.
Evolution or ID?
Asian Markets work very much off of a piracy basis for their software, the large amount of software not being paid for or used within the context of a western office environment.
This appears to me to be another part of the trend of companies salivating over the numbers...(Ooohh, 500 Quadrillion-Billion-Monillion people in China, thats a lot more than America!)
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They don't give a rats ass about regular licenses, why would they give anything back to the western world re: open source?
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A swelling market (Asia) + a swelling technology (Linux) + an empty battlefield (desktops). Novell's sphere of influence is going to increase tenfold if they execute this correctly.
The Linux desktop is simply not ready yet. If you rush Linux to the average desktop user they'll try it, most will dislike it (in comparison to MAC & Windows) and it'll put them off ever trying it again.
I think it'll be another decade until Linux is firmly on the desktop, and I don't think we should start introducing it to the average desktop user for another 5yrs yet.
Like a fine wine, it will mature in time.
While linux may be great with in a server or backend environment, it still is not ready for the desktop in my opinion. I just recently installed Mandrake 9.2 on a laptop of mine. I actually managed to get my PCMCIA wireless card to work, but not without some hassles at first. The first thing I decided to do after getting on the net was to update my system. This turned out to be a mistake, as my KDE desktop got all screwed up. Most of the links didn't work and the "start" menu was completely useless. I really don't know what happened, and I had no idea how to fix it, so I decided to install again and just not apply that patch. Now, if this had happened to a system that I had been using for some time, I would have been utterly annoyed by losing a large part of the functionality of my desktop. I also installed XMMS. I got this to work after I had to fight some driver settings, but the RPM I used never even added it to the start menu. I think that if you use a RPM that comes off of the install disk, this should definetly be an included feature. Maybe it was just the distro I was using, but it doesn't seem like it was feature common to other distros that I have tried either.
In short, it felt like I was fighting with the system the entire time just to get some trivial things to work. Linux may be a great, stable, and free kernel, but the rest of the things built on top of it, the things that really matter to the user, still seem to fall short in areas. Right now, I rather just install Windows and know that everything will work. I rather deal with security patches and keeping my antivirus up-to-date than deal with config files in an operating system that I don't know too well.
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I'd love to see that here. I think a Linux desktop would make a lot of people happy, the users for having linux and the managers for saving money. Maybe if it takes off there, Novell and others will try it elsewhere.
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Fucking morons.
It's you who should be sitting in Guantanamo getting re-educated and punished for stupidity!
I've been following the rise of Linux for the some time now. I don't run it, I run OS X and don't give a damn about the GPL.
However, all the MS people I talk to have had a dramatic change of heart with the recent annoucements like this one. Nothing they've said explicitly, but the tone has changed from denial to they are finally coming to terms with the fact that Linux 'will' take over at some point. It's now only a question of how fast.
The US will probably lag behind the rest of the world, but it's only a matter of time now.
Ok, so does this mean in a few years all of the people working in the USA as Linux developers/administrators will all be outsourced to China?
I think it's time to get my forklift driving license back.
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Here's the list of the best-selling software titles for 2003 (by quantity sold, not dollars fetched):
1. TurboTax 2002 Deluxe
2. Norton Antivirus 2003
3. Turbo Tax 2002
4. Norton Antivirus 2004
5. TurboTax 2002 Multi State 45
6. Taxcut 2002 Deluxe Block
7. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Upgrade
8. Microsoft Office XP Student and Teacher Edition
9. Taxcut 2002 State Block
10. Norton Internet Security 2003
You can see that tax software is huge thing for a bunch of people to have on their desktop. Office suite is another. Internet security (not just antivirus, but user-friendly firewall, port manager and other utilities).
Office is pretty much covered with OpenOffice, so that's done. As for Internet security tools, I am not sure which ones exist for the end user, but perhaps industry could come up with some.
Tax software. Is there a good tax package for Linux, allowing those millions of accountants, small business owners and middle-class Joe's like you and me file their taxes?
Out of free (of charge) software that is getting huge market share of desktop, what would the Linux equivalent of:
- Kazaa
- Real Player
- ICQ/AIM (ok, Gaim is a good alternative)
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A step at a time, first networks, then the desktop. The domination by Linux will not happen overnight. How long did it take M$ to get where it is? Look at where they are now, with all the mistakes(Win 3.0, 95, Me, Bob), that get repeated, over and over and ...... and they are still the biggest gorilla on the planet. Don't think the Linux world won't make a few, but we are (hopefully) smarter and have learned from the mistakes of others and won't repeat them.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
Man, they'll be able to sell linux to everyone. Then an hour later, they can come back and sell it again!
Working as well as TurboLinux did.
Do you know where your Linux desktop is?
The headline to this story should read "what took so long?" I consider the fact that Linux HASN'T made a major entry into the enterprise OR consumer desktop to be a MAJOR failing. Linux should, by now, be on 15-20% of desktops. What's the problem? Consider:
-Hardware isn't a problem. Linux pretty much supports just as much hardware as Windows does. And, if you are a desktop vendor, it really isn't a problem to write your own drivers.
-Applications aren't a problem. Linux has perfectly functional word processors, spreadsheets, web browsers, instant messengers, and email/calendar/groupware. Plus, they're free!
-File exchange isn't a problem. Any major file format that Windows/Mac users read/write and be read/written in Linux.
-With the proliferation of sub-$500 computers, Windows and 3rd party software becomes a major portion of the price tag. Linux makes economic sense here.
And this has been the case for AT LEAST FOUR YEARS! I think by now we have to start asking hard questions about who's to blame for this. I can think of a few. I would start with the desktop environments, KDE and GNOME. They continue to present an environment that is far too complicated for the computer novice, and fail to cover up the weirdness of X. I would also blame the distributions, who could have, in turn, covered up the weirdness of KDE and GNOME. Application install/uninstall is still a nightmare for users who are skiddish of a command line. I should be able to download a program installer, open up a file browser and browse to where I put it, double click to do a graphical installation, and then find the program in an add/remove programs system contol, and click delete to get rid of it.
Finally, I blame the elitism of the Linux community, who continue to regard the OS as belonging to computing guru, and would much rather bring the user to Linux than Linux to the user. Making easy tasks easy does not "dumb down" Linux.
Sorry, mod me down if you want, but every so often I feel the need to rant about this. It's 2004, and there should be thousands of grandmas out there emailing and IMing on Linux. The fact that there aren't is a really sad thing.
So a handful of Cisco execs makes the same as 10,000 productive employees?!!! That'll show those Commie Bastards that Capitalism Works!(tm)
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Employees of these company's would also be prone to use linux at there own homes, because they use it at work. This is like fresh university students using unix at the work place, because they used it in college.
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"companies that have embraced Linux and are going down that path"
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Bad choice of words?
"I think this line is mostly filler"
Yes, this was an honest (and lame) attempt at being funny, but do I really warrant being modded "off topic"? Some of these moderators and their heightened sensitivity are exactly why we have these karma whores around - if you try to be funny, you get modded "flamebait". Thanks guys.
Oh yeah, guys, don't forget to mod this "troll" or whatever too. I'm also trying to see if reverse psychology works or not.
I'm not talking about people who use Linux, or even people who evangelize Linux. I'm in both of those categories. I'm talking about the people who develop and maintain Linux and the software that Linux is dependent on. From the Kernel team to the major distributers to the desktop environments, down to the foot soldier coders, Linux has always been "by code-monks, for gurus." The culture has always been one that values tinkering with the guts of a system over a pleasant user experience.
I will admit I know sod-all about what makes for a good user experience in an OS desktop. I have no trouble at all with Linux, and can't comprehend why it's so much of a pain for ordinary folks. But I do know that I can sit an uninitiated down at a Windows machine and get him doing basic tasks quickly, whereas they are lost in front of any Linux setup I've tried.
That shouldn't happen.
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I think the major failure is getting the word out to people that linux is just like windows in terms of usability with environments like KDE and Gnome; now we just need the application and driver vendors supporting linux like they support windows.
It's all in the marketing man. Marketing is key. It has nothing to do with this supposed "elitism" you speak of. Elitism is a thing of the 90s. I don't see vendors like Mandrake, Xandros, Lin---s, etc. being "elitist" towards their users.
We need someone with a lot of money, and we need to get the word out in as many places as possible.
Aye, there's the rub! We need money to advertise, and yet, money is only made once the operating system is quite popular (i.e. on support, etc.). So, someone is going to have to invest in it; and with the recent bursting of the bubble, investment has gone wayyy down, RIGHT when linux became really viable on the desktop!
Just great, eh? Oh well, I'm hopeful that with IBM's efforts and others, things will come around eventually.
It's ok man, and remember, market dominance isn't everything.
Hi, It is 2004 and this grannie IS using Linux. Why don't we have a poll and find out if there are a thousand of us.
Not Linux in Asia! You KNOW they'll pirate it!
God, I can see it know, bootleg copies of Linux on every street corner for 99 cents a CD...
Oh the humanity of it!
The only reason that post was modden down was that it wasn't a lunux fanboy post, he makes a very valid point.
Mod it up!
Official Language of Malaysia is Malay (langcode=ms)
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it also known as "Bahasa Melayu" or sometimes "Bahasa Malaysia"
I prefer to call it Bahasa Melayu since it's the original name of the language.
The language has 2 type of writing form, roman and jawi script. however jawi script is not popular.
speaking about native language, Microsoft has announce "Language interface Pack" for Malay several week before.
http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/
and i would love to see Malay XD2 to compete with them.
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
Having some experience in educating people about computers, i'd dare say that poor support of games is what's really holding people back - also those grandparents you mention [they often buy the computer in reality for the grandchildren].