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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is Available
joestar writes "The new 'Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community' release has just been announced. It provides many new features including Linux 2.6.3, MagicDev, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4, a new Mandrakeonline service and others. Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members and 10.0 developers. A 10.0 DVD is also available at MandrakeStore. This a first step for this new exciting Mandrake, because in May, an Official version will appear, and both versions will officially be supported. Happy downloads!"
Is this 10.0 release more important than the 9.0 release? As 1.0 releases are always more important than 0.9 releases. Hope you can follow my train of thought :)
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
What happened about the namechange?
/. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name due to some French wizard cartoon or similar (I didn't RTFA, of course ;)!
We had an article on
Is this now resolved?
David
Ideally we'd have one CD with NetBSD on it, and a guard with an AK-47 present to make sure the user didn't do anything stupid.
The distro I describe is most closely matched in the Linux world by Slackware.
Cretin - a powerful and flexible CD reencoder
I've never used Mandrake, but I am very happy to see a major distribution pick up the 2.6 kernel for regular usage.
Here's my question: Are 2.6 kernel changes going to affect "Joe User"?
Jay | http://oldos.org
Call me a troll, but I think it would really help the OSS community if we focused our efforts on one or two distros, not 10 or 20.
There aren't 10 or 20 distros, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, and the reason there's so many is because different people want different things, for example Debian is better at running webservers on than Mandrake. If the two distros were spliced together, the package would be much bigger, and most people would only use half of it anyway.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
I will; Mandrake 10.0 is the only distro that I know of that has 2.6 support right out of the box.
Socialism: A feeling of discontent and resentment caused by a desire for the possessions or qualities of another.
To ensure a minimum level of functionality and consistency between distributions.
I have long thought that Linux needed an analog to Microsoft's once very-useful MultiMedia PC standard.
Gentoo beat Mandrake by a few days, with its 2004.0 release. And yes, I consider this a "major" distribution, folks. It's got some of the best documentation around, too.
Yes, I agree with you, but the problem is, theses 2 or 3 distros wont be the ones you (or I) want. So you will end up forking one of them to address your own needs.
..to check out the new 2.6.3 kernel considering the major changes needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel if you've compiled your Linux system from source like I have.
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going to be made available? 1 week? 2 weeks?
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Why? The various distros exist because different people have different needs and different ideas about the way things work. If all those people tried to focus on one or two distros, all they'd do is disagree, meaning no progress would be made, and they'd probably just end up forking.
Another way to look at it is from a project management standpoint: adding new bodies to a project does not mean the project will progress faster or improve. In fact, more bodies can actually *decrease* productivity. So, "focusing" all that effort into just one or two projects may not be an effective way to make use of resources.
Lastly, don't forget, competition is a key to innovation. Having various distros competing for market share means they'll compete, and cooperate, meaing a better result for everyone. How can this be bad?
I agree, let's make it 2 Disk XWindows and Slackware only (since those are the distros I use).
Lol, one or two! Sir would you like embedded or full linux with your PC?
Thanks for the laugh.
Excellent idea. I presume I get to choose which two, so I'll go for Gentoo and Mandrake. Shall I tell Redhat they've got to close down, or will you?
Igor Presnyakov stole my hat
Having many distros is a -strength- of linux, not a hinderance.
.rpm, .deb. .tgz... just one type)
We don't need less distros, we need some idea of continuity between them using standards, such as:
-Standard packaging system (no more
-Standard directory structure
There are some others, but these are the major two. More distros = good, but lets try to package them all similarly, please!
Jay | http://oldos.org
One of the best things about the new Mandrake (to me, anyway) is that it's the first fully supported FREE distro that has Samba 3 built into it. In the past, Samba 3 was available for Mandrake, but support for it was flaky. Sure, you could fork out $1000 or more for Red Hat Enterprise, but why? Even SuSE 9.0 had Samba 2.2.x in it. While I'm sure there are things that need to be refined and will be fixed in the "Official" version, it's a great way for us Windows converts to get our feet wet with the new Samba, instead of learning the old way and having to change our approach with the major overhaul in version 3.
Just my 2 cents....
I think it does help having multiple distros (at least more than one or two). The reasons are that some distros are conservative (e.g. Redhat does not have ntfs enabled by default, has its own bluecurve, and does not have media player related stuff -- out of these, the ntfs is a biggie for dual boot systems). Likewise, some distros have more support for bleeding edge devices (e.g. SATA support on Mandrake 9.2 RC was available but not on Fedora beta). I will also state the obvious example of Redhat/Fedora stuff.
Where can we draw the line? In my opinion 100/1000 distros is unimaginable. 10 is not that bad a number.
S
And you do have to remember that Mandrake is the largest distro in use in North America. AFAIK, SuSE's the biggest in Europe, and TurboLinux is the largest in Asia.
Let's let the free market determine if there are too many distributions. If we only need a few, Mandrake would be one of them anyway.
On the other hand, the UN should step in and limit the number of options when buying toothpaste. That decision has become mindboggling.
Seems awfully fast for Mandrake to have already included the 3.2.1 fixes (multimegabyte).
This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I have to wait longer for some (major) things than bloody edged distros like Gentoo.
Because you know you do.
Mandrake is a leading distribution. Just look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ and look at the page hit ranking.
About two weeks ago I decided to try and install Linux on my old K6-2 450mhz machine gathering dust in the basement. A friend of mine gave me a few cd's that had something called 'Mandrake' on it.
He said "This is supposed to be the most user-friendly 'distro' out there. Give it a try."
So with trepidation about wiping out my beloved win98se install on the old machine, I jumped right in.
On firing up the install disk, the Man-drake installer asked me if I wanted to remove the win98se partition that already existed. After pondering this for several minutes I though, 'what the hell, I can always reinstall it!' So I let it fly.
After what seemed like 45 minutes of swapping cd's in-and-out of the drive, the man-drake (isn't that some sort of bird?) installer ask me what I wanted to use this linux machine for. So many choices! games, office, mail server, web server, about 2 dozen choices flooded my screen. This is madness! So after carefully considerating my options
I decided to choose them all! I would be a Linux power-user to end all linux power-users!
So after this decision was made I waited. And waited. And waited. During this I started to wonder. My Windows XP Home intallation on my other Peecee didn't ask me thse kind of questions, and it easily has the all the abilities that man-drake advertised to have. After all, I paid for WinXP Home. Sigh, I guess this it the price one pays
for being part of the linux elite.
Approximately 50 mintues later I get another prompt from the man-drake installer asking me what kind of GUI I wanted to use, KDE or GNOME. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I selected both and let it fly.
After only about 20 mintues this time it appeared the install was completed. The mandrake installer told me it was going to reboot and then I would revel in Linux goodness. I waited with baited breath while the reboot churned away, eagerly waiting the opportuntity to use the KDE/GNOME interface. Page after page of command line
stuff flew by my screen, seeming to get faster and faster as the time of my linux deliverance approached. Then, the screen flashed black (kinda like those scenes from the movie Wargames). I gasped and was presented with something like this:
bsh: blah/blah/blah/ ____
What the hell was this? Wasn't this man-drake linux supposed to be user friendly? Instead of the friendly confines of a WinXP like GUI instead I was given an ugly DOS like prompt, which looked supiciously like the TRS-80 system I first learned BASIC on in high school. Is this all the farther the great open-source movement has progressed?
After serveral minutes of sobbing and knashing of teeth, I came to a decision. All the linux fags out there were not going to defeat me! They were not going to cry "Bend over WinXP boy, you're going to take linux OUR WAY and like it!".
I quickly found my old musty copy of 'Unix in a Nutshell' from my college days and got to work. In a few hours I found out how to start the KDE GUI. This made life so much easier. After several days I was able to get the machine's 14.4 internal modem working with man-drake and connected to the internet, using a browser called Mozilla. Where oh where were the glorious pop-ups that appeared as I was surfing porn sites? Those bastards!
After several more days I was starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Using something called Gimp to manipulate my growing collection of adult images was becoming a habit. And because I was ashamed to let my friends and neighbors know I was using a gasp! free operating system like mandrake, I kept the pee-cee in the basement. Now my girlfriend things the sounds emanating from below are me just woodworking or lifting weights. I guess linux has freed me after all!
From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/10.0/100PR.php3 Server deployments also benefit from interoperability with MS-Windows(R) systems thanks to enhanced support of Windows' Logical Disk Manager and new read/write NTFS support. Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable? This is an imporatant issue, because it had the unfortunate tendancy of causing the windows install to get screwed. (sometimes, not all times) Thugh of you who have used write support successfully, please comment.
What I would like to know is have they provided and easy upgrade (ie automagicly) from 2.4 lvm1 to 2.6 lvm2?
Peoplesoft. That name just cracks me up. People....soft. Sounds like another Viagra ad.
> Mandrake will go bancrupt soon. They need to make
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> some funding if they are not to go under.
Unfortunately for you, it seems you'll have to hear from Mandrake still for a while:
MandrakeSoft's First Quarter Results for 2003/2004: +8.4% revenue, +28.9% gross margin, 270,000 profit (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/community/ma
Will they have an ISO with x86-64 support for my Athlon 64? If I'm making the jump to kernel 2.6, it might also be a good time to jump to native 64 bit mode..
If you want to use the gui, it's completely painless. Open the Mandrake Configuration Wizard, go to packaging, click update. By default it only gets security fixes, you'll want bugfixes and general updates as well, so check those, and select all the updates, and click install.
If you have broadband, one of the first things you should do with mandrake is remove the cd's as package sources (in the gui, just to to packaging->manage media, or something like that, and delete the cd sources) and follow the directions at http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php to add ftp mirrors. Then you can install programs on the command line (as root) by saying "urpmi package." For instance, urpmi gaim will install gaim. "urpmi -y blah" searches. "urpme package" uninstalls. "urpmi --auto-select" updates everything. The gui tools can do all this too.
I've been using Mandrake Cooker for a few weeks now, and I think kernel 2.6 + kde 3.2 is awesome. My computer feels way faster. There are some problems (I haven't updated in a few days, so these may have gotten fixed):
1) My HP PSC 2210 USB printer doesn't work (worked in 9.2).
2) My wife's Sony Vaio has a problem loading the agpgart module on bootup. When I get to the console, I modprobe agpgart and startx, and everything's fine (again, worked in 9.2).
3) OpenOffice hasn't made any advances in the last couple months (still at 1.1). Not Mandrake's fault, I realize, just a general complaint. OpenOffice is still soooooo slow.
Anyone know how cooker relates to this version? I'm assuming this is just a snapshot of cooker.
"Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
Lastly, don't forget, competition is a key to innovation. Having various distros competing for market share means they'll compete, and cooperate, meaing a better result for everyone. How can this be bad?
One would think, but for the most part I haven't really noticed that in the Linux community. Each distro seems to focus all their effort into their own implementation of the basic "distro toolset" (Installer, disk partitioning, system management, control panel, etc.) I think it would benefit the community as a whole to be able to take these components and be able to add them to the distro of your choice. For example, one thing I really love about Mandrake is the graphical disk utility, DiskDrake. I think it beats the pants off everything else out there for Linux. Is it possible to get this running easily on another distribution? Doubtful.
I applaud the work that the Debian (or was it Progeny) team has done to try using Red Hat's Anaconda installer system to install Debian. I hope to see more projects like this in the future.
If you absolutely can't wait a week...pay them money. They deserve it.
but then you'll sound like all those dummies who call it OS 'ECKS'.. I'm not sure, but I don't think the Romans pronounced the numerals as letters..
Are you suggesting that we call it Mac OS Decem?
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Judging on the quality of the final release for 9.2 after 3 RC's and the fact that this is the new "non-official-ala-fedora" release, I'm kinda skeptical on the quality of it. In fact, judging from the comments I read on RC1, THAT release was probably more like the last beta and THIS one is probably more like a release candidate. The one people want is going to be the "official" version in May, I think.
Chris
Mandrake has in a recent survey(~Nov 2003) some 60% market share in the UK. This survey was perhaps not the most scientific, I think it was for readers of Linux Format or similar. However it does indicate how popular the distro is.
With 10 now comming out, I think it will maintain it.
I still dont know anyone using Fedora, while everyone I know uses MDK.
My other Sig is very funny.
well currently I am not the biggest fan of Macosx, yes its a break through of gui goodness, but its alittle to slow for my tastes. Plus I like Linux, I like linux because its ruff around the edges, and I like making it better. I run linux on mac because their hardware (laptops) are alot nicer than any pc based laptop I have seen.
Dont tell me what OS to run, I will run what I feel fits my needs.
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How so? Any stats? Seriously, I would think that depends on hardware more than anything else (assuming you're running Apache).
If the eventual goal is to beat Microsoft on the desktop, the parent is right. 1 or 2 Distros that do everything well is better than 100 that each do one or two things *very* well.
Joe User wants his OS to do everything well and intuitively, not just one or two things.
Why do you think that Fedora has Mandrake beat on the desktop? Mandrake has everything you'd ever need: most of the open-source programs out there, great configuration utilities, and a great rpm setup using their urpmi (similar to Debian's apt-get).
The club is only "necessary" if you want to get the releases right now and get some other proprietary software (much of which you can download yourself - they just offer it in an easy-to-use format). I'm not a member of the club (I'm poor right now), and yet I'm able to get the ISOs for free a few weeks after they're released to the club.
You do realize that companies do need to make money. Based on my last experience with RedHat 9, I won't be trying Fedora for quite a while. I was able to configure everything much more easily in Mandrake than I was in RedHat.
Mandrake has contributed a great set of software, and if you'd actually try version 9.0 and up, you'd agree it has a great chance of becoming popular with Grandma. (versions 7 & 8 were good, too, but not good enough for Grandma)
I make my own DVD's by moving all of the RPM's the same folder, or by copying the RPMS,(2),(3) folder to the same dir that the original RPMS folder is in (forgot the path, and can't look at it at the moment). Just burn that to a DVD and it works fine... never swap a disc again :)
I don't mean to be overly critical of you...and I like Mandrake. But...
C'mon. seriously. Nothing is every bug free. That's just insane. Nothing, especially something as complicated as an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM, is every completely, 100% bug free. That's just rediculous.
Part of the problem MDK has been having, and that their new release system is trying to fix, is that they have a substantially large user/tester ratio. In other words, too many users for the people who are willing to test. A release can go through forty betas and 10 RC's, and fix ALL reported bugs. But without good testers, it will ship and millions of bugs will be found because there wasn't a good variance of testers.
People expect their software to "just work". But without a lot of testing in a million configurations (especially as current and fast advancing as Mandrake is) that's difficult. Probably impossible.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
If we were to somehow shut down all the projects and only let the top three survive in the name of "concentrating efforts"...then we wouldn't be allowing users to do whatever they want with their software.
It doesn't need justification. It's the way it is, there's nothing to be done about it, and it's distro-makers' right. If they want to customize their Os for their needs, and publish it online in case other people happen to like the same things -- how does that harm anyone?
I'll reply, rather than mod you down, because I want to contribute elsewhere in this discussion. If you're a Slackware user then you probably know enough to handle that. But Mandrake is a different animal altogether -- it is intended for less advanced users. And I see nothing wrong with that; after all, everybody needs to start somewhere. Mandrake was my first X11-based distribution {though I'd been tinkering about on the command line with Debian for some time} so I'll admit to a liking for it :)
Slackware is more a geek's distro, whereas Mandrake is pitched more at n00bz. Slackware is good for customising {if I was being unkind, I'd say you have to customise it to make it usable} and runs well on less powerful systems; whereas Mandrake is purposely designed so that you can just slot it in and go, but it needs a fast machine to show off what it can do.
The sort of person who installs Slackware is probably an old hand with several years' Linux experience; more likely to be mellower and less outspoken than the first-timer. Mandrake is a good choice for a beginner, and it has a very loyal and vocal band of followers.
But just because Mandrake is aimed at the newcomer, it is no less powerful a distribution -- and it doesn't compromise on security. In its own way, it's a very hardcore distribution {there's one for the apostrophe nazis}: everything in it is open-source {unlike some distributions *cough* SUSE *cough*} and there is a real emphasis on community members helping one another with their problems.
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I wonder if the Mod even understood this? As an old skool Ultima player from the Apple //e days (Ultima IV ruled!) I appreciate this comment.
CB
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1)Remove all media for your old release
...)
...)
... but if you don't you will most likely at least want to restart your window manager ..).
...
# urpmi.removemedia -a
(beware, -a removes all media
2)Add media for your new release. If that's the CDs, insert disk one and do
# urpmi.addmedia --distrib 10.0-cd removable:///mnt/cdrom
3)Update urpmi (in future this won't be necessary, the urpmi in 10.0 will automatically update itself if it sees there is an update, and then restart
# urpmi urpmi
4)Upgrade everything else
# urpmi --auto-select
5)Choose a kernel
# urpmi kernel
6)Reboot
# reboot
(only if you need to
So, in 10.0 (or if you're running a beta or rc or cooker), it about a 3 or 4 step process - new/update media; urpmi --auto-select;urpmi kernel
Note that if you don't use the installer, some things are not done for you, so read the release notes
The question is: Will SCO sue me for downloading or do I actually have to be running it to get sued?
Mandrake is the best desktop distro I have encountered. The installer is tight and hardware support is excellent. I installed 9.2 and everything worked even my cheap TV Tuner card. KDE ran perfect. I run debian on my servers and love love it for that but it just doesn't compete on the desktop. People shouldn't have to fiddle and diddle for three hours just do get their video card to work under X. I use a computer to accomplish work. Why the hell should I waste time getting it to work?
I'd imagine 10.0 will be a step even further in the right direction. Mandrake is leading the way in the desktop linux environment. This is good for other distros because it raises the bar.
As you were complaining about OOo speed ( I assume boot up) I thought I'd share this that I found on a newsgroup the other day. "make sure OOo is not running, open your favourite file manager and navigate to ~/openoffice/user/psprint and delete the pspfontcache file. Now start up OOo and immediately shut it down again. You should see a new pspfontcache file. Make this file read-only, either using your file manager or with the command line: chmod -w ~/openoffice/user/psprint/pspfontcache" Hope this helps Neil
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I agree with what you are saying. What I'm about to say is not a contradiction, I am simply explaining why I use Mandrake.
By most counts, I'm a power Linux user. I first installed Linux on a system back in 1994. I've contributed a kernel patch. I have installed at least five distributions, two of which are Gentoo and Linux From Scratch.
In the end, both for my home computer and my work computer (where I develop Linux and Windows software), I settled for Mandrake. I got tired of having to deal with config files and having to install drivers when I plug in new hardware. Mandrake handles this all pretty seemlessly for me, moreso in fact than Windows does. These days (though this was less true in the past), the software packaged with Mandrake is fairly recent and quite stable. That said, I did install KDevelop 3.0.1 from source rather than from Mandrake's packages.
I still run Debian for my email/web server at home. In fact, I really like Debian. Its dependency resolution still has everything else beaten. But it doesn't offer such features as the Mandrake Control Center and other such happy Mandrake tools. As a result, I'm quite happy with my Mandrake installations, at least for desktop and workstation systems.
A friend of mine pointed out that he switched operating systems (to OS X, in his case) because he wants something that just works. He doesn't want to spend time reformatting, reinstalling, and dealing with configuration files, at least no more than is absolutely necessary. I find Mandrake offers me this now and that is why I use it.
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As with 9.2, they include 3d accel ati radeon drivers on a *7* cd "poweuser" pack that you must *buy*: -Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrakelinux packs and Mandrakeclub ISO images Now, call me crazy, but I really think that something as important as a video driver should be included on the main cds, and shouldn't be sold separately. I guess it is a propietary kind of issue, so it isn't really mandrake's fault, but why should I pay for drivers for a card I obviously bought? I realize I can download them from ati's site, but a new linux user (the primary target of this distro) is going to have mayor problems with that. For one, since the kernel source isn't included(at least in 9.2), and it's required to compile the drivers, you need an additional 50mb download. I had to find it and download it by hand, since the particular version of the kernel that mdk 9.2 came with, wasn't to be found on the update ftp sites. Additional problems with agp support and shaky tv-out presented then. Nonetheless, I'm expecting this release, if only for improved stability and hardware support.
Long live Mandrake!!!
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Users who can't used bittorrent can request FTP/HTTP access, as you can see on your bittorrent page. However, they prefer that you use bittorrent (since it is more efficient for everyone).
When I visit https://www.mandrakeclub.com/user.php?op=myBittor
I'm currently getting less than 10kB/s down using bittorrent.
Then, you haven't read the article linked to on the bittorrent page:
If you read the cooker archives for today, you will see some people complaining abot getting 10k/s, and they are answered by people getting 150k/s or more.
Many users had all 5 ISOs (if you're a silver member) less than 6 hours after they started.
And them's the facts.
No, that's your opinion, and I don't agree with it.
What kind of link do you have then, trolly ? I'm getting 178 kB/s. right now (on my 24 Mbps ADSL link), and I just began downloading 30 minutes ago. That looks quite good to me, only 3 hours to go and CDs are go !
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