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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is Available
joestar writes "The new 'Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community' release has just been announced. It provides many new features including Linux 2.6.3, MagicDev, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4, a new Mandrakeonline service and others. Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members and 10.0 developers. A 10.0 DVD is also available at MandrakeStore. This a first step for this new exciting Mandrake, because in May, an Official version will appear, and both versions will officially be supported. Happy downloads!"
Now with Banner Ads on your desktop to fund the Mandrake Club!
Seriously, does anyone even use Mandrake anymore? Fedora has it beat and doesn't have some money grubbing exclusive "club". I've found Fedora to be everything I need on the desktop, with all the above features and more. Perhaps the Mandrake developers should stop begging for money and contribute to something that has a chance.
Just because you disagree doesn't make it offtopic or flamebait.
Call me a troll, but I think it would really help the OSS community if we focused our efforts on one or two distros, not 10 or 20.
Is this 10.0 release more important than the 9.0 release? As 1.0 releases are always more important than 0.9 releases. Hope you can follow my train of thought :)
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
My 1st FP EVER... So Happy..*tear*
"I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin"
Can you send a process to the background after it has started? (already started without &)
What happened about the namechange?
/. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name due to some French wizard cartoon or similar (I didn't RTFA, of course ;)!
We had an article on
Is this now resolved?
David
Ideally we'd have one CD with NetBSD on it, and a guard with an AK-47 present to make sure the user didn't do anything stupid.
The distro I describe is most closely matched in the Linux world by Slackware.
Cretin - a powerful and flexible CD reencoder
I've never used Mandrake, but I am very happy to see a major distribution pick up the 2.6 kernel for regular usage.
Here's my question: Are 2.6 kernel changes going to affect "Joe User"?
Jay | http://oldos.org
With too many ideas, people will just modify a distro to do something better, different, etc.
To ensure a minimum level of functionality and consistency between distributions.
I have long thought that Linux needed an analog to Microsoft's once very-useful MultiMedia PC standard.
That's not tears running down your face, THAT'S MY VOMIT! YFI!
I VOMIT ON FAILURES!
I vote for an assisted "roll your own cd distro"
pick the packages by group/subgroup/individually and create install/hw detection scripts and roll an iso image.
There is NO value add to most distrobutions.
Just additional install voodoo scripts.
This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
Gentoo beat Mandrake by a few days, with its 2004.0 release. And yes, I consider this a "major" distribution, folks. It's got some of the best documentation around, too.
..to check out the new 2.6.3 kernel considering the major changes needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel if you've compiled your Linux system from source like I have.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
going to be made available? 1 week? 2 weeks?
-- D3X
NeoX3.com: The One Site for Free Adult Entertainment
I still prefer Nightshade to Mandrake Root.
Check out the best P2P sharing website: MEDIACHEST.COM
Having many distros is a -strength- of linux, not a hinderance.
.rpm, .deb. .tgz... just one type)
We don't need less distros, we need some idea of continuity between them using standards, such as:
-Standard packaging system (no more
-Standard directory structure
There are some others, but these are the major two. More distros = good, but lets try to package them all similarly, please!
Jay | http://oldos.org
One of the best things about the new Mandrake (to me, anyway) is that it's the first fully supported FREE distro that has Samba 3 built into it. In the past, Samba 3 was available for Mandrake, but support for it was flaky. Sure, you could fork out $1000 or more for Red Hat Enterprise, but why? Even SuSE 9.0 had Samba 2.2.x in it. While I'm sure there are things that need to be refined and will be fixed in the "Official" version, it's a great way for us Windows converts to get our feet wet with the new Samba, instead of learning the old way and having to change our approach with the major overhaul in version 3.
Just my 2 cents....
I won't call you a troll, but I WILL call you a karma whore for posting a comment like this requiring absolutely no brain cell activity a mere 1 minute after the story posted. Good job, I say.
www.clarke.ca
Seems awfully fast for Mandrake to have already included the 3.2.1 fixes (multimegabyte).
This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I have to wait longer for some (major) things than bloody edged distros like Gentoo.
Because you know you do.
It's the damnfrogs. No one listens to them anyway, like when they argued in favor of sadam.
I'm not that new to linux, but i don't use it for work and so far I have allways installed it on test systems, allways starting fresh, trying a distro here, another there.
Eventually I'll have a stable system, with drivers for custom hardware (802.11 USB card), a fine-tuned XFree86.config, shell config scripts, the list goes on.
In this scenario, how most distros handle the update process? Will I have to strart from scratch again, or is it mostly painless?
About two weeks ago I decided to try and install Linux on my old K6-2 450mhz machine gathering dust in the basement. A friend of mine gave me a few cd's that had something called 'Mandrake' on it.
He said "This is supposed to be the most user-friendly 'distro' out there. Give it a try."
So with trepidation about wiping out my beloved win98se install on the old machine, I jumped right in.
On firing up the install disk, the Man-drake installer asked me if I wanted to remove the win98se partition that already existed. After pondering this for several minutes I though, 'what the hell, I can always reinstall it!' So I let it fly.
After what seemed like 45 minutes of swapping cd's in-and-out of the drive, the man-drake (isn't that some sort of bird?) installer ask me what I wanted to use this linux machine for. So many choices! games, office, mail server, web server, about 2 dozen choices flooded my screen. This is madness! So after carefully considerating my options
I decided to choose them all! I would be a Linux power-user to end all linux power-users!
So after this decision was made I waited. And waited. And waited. During this I started to wonder. My Windows XP Home intallation on my other Peecee didn't ask me thse kind of questions, and it easily has the all the abilities that man-drake advertised to have. After all, I paid for WinXP Home. Sigh, I guess this it the price one pays
for being part of the linux elite.
Approximately 50 mintues later I get another prompt from the man-drake installer asking me what kind of GUI I wanted to use, KDE or GNOME. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I selected both and let it fly.
After only about 20 mintues this time it appeared the install was completed. The mandrake installer told me it was going to reboot and then I would revel in Linux goodness. I waited with baited breath while the reboot churned away, eagerly waiting the opportuntity to use the KDE/GNOME interface. Page after page of command line
stuff flew by my screen, seeming to get faster and faster as the time of my linux deliverance approached. Then, the screen flashed black (kinda like those scenes from the movie Wargames). I gasped and was presented with something like this:
bsh: blah/blah/blah/ ____
What the hell was this? Wasn't this man-drake linux supposed to be user friendly? Instead of the friendly confines of a WinXP like GUI instead I was given an ugly DOS like prompt, which looked supiciously like the TRS-80 system I first learned BASIC on in high school. Is this all the farther the great open-source movement has progressed?
After serveral minutes of sobbing and knashing of teeth, I came to a decision. All the linux fags out there were not going to defeat me! They were not going to cry "Bend over WinXP boy, you're going to take linux OUR WAY and like it!".
I quickly found my old musty copy of 'Unix in a Nutshell' from my college days and got to work. In a few hours I found out how to start the KDE GUI. This made life so much easier. After several days I was able to get the machine's 14.4 internal modem working with man-drake and connected to the internet, using a browser called Mozilla. Where oh where were the glorious pop-ups that appeared as I was surfing porn sites? Those bastards!
After several more days I was starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Using something called Gimp to manipulate my growing collection of adult images was becoming a habit. And because I was ashamed to let my friends and neighbors know I was using a gasp! free operating system like mandrake, I kept the pee-cee in the basement. Now my girlfriend things the sounds emanating from below are me just woodworking or lifting weights. I guess linux has freed me after all!
Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members
Any torrents for non-club members?
That's why it is included in Mandrake 10.0.. it's a feature like those killed firmwares in inferior LG drives.
Will there be a download version of the DVD, or some way to build it on a non-Linux-but-still-nixish system? It would be a lot more convenient if I could hand people a single bootable DVD instead of a stack of CDs.
From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/10.0/100PR.php3 Server deployments also benefit from interoperability with MS-Windows(R) systems thanks to enhanced support of Windows' Logical Disk Manager and new read/write NTFS support. Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable? This is an imporatant issue, because it had the unfortunate tendancy of causing the windows install to get screwed. (sometimes, not all times) Thugh of you who have used write support successfully, please comment.
Do they still develop for PPC? It seems like all we get is gentoo these days.
...does joe user even know what the word kernel means other than that guy that makes chicken or those worthless bastards at the bottom of the popcorn bag that didn't pop?
What I would like to know is have they provided and easy upgrade (ie automagicly) from 2.4 lvm1 to 2.6 lvm2?
man plus drake = Man Drake.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
> We had an article on /. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name ...
#1: What's a 187?
#2: I don't know.
Computer: Murder, Death, Kill. Murder, Death, Kill.
Stallone can be their spokesman. Killing the competition since 1998.
Peoplesoft. That name just cracks me up. People....soft. Sounds like another Viagra ad.
http://www.rubyx.org
Everything is a package, including the kernel. You specify the list of packages you want and it builds a system for you (and it can create an iso image as well).
Rubyx is much more flexible than other similar approaches: Your aren't limited to a Linux kernel for example, you could choose to use a different (gasp!) kernel like FreeBSD, Hurd or Darwin to run your system.
Will they have an ISO with x86-64 support for my Athlon 64? If I'm making the jump to kernel 2.6, it might also be a good time to jump to native 64 bit mode..
The MDK being the linux based OS of MandrakeSoft and in its tenth iterations, it was even planned to be named:
GNU/Linux MS OS X
Then someone said:
"maybe the ridiculous trial with the wizard is enough?"
I've been using Mandrake Cooker for a few weeks now, and I think kernel 2.6 + kde 3.2 is awesome. My computer feels way faster. There are some problems (I haven't updated in a few days, so these may have gotten fixed):
1) My HP PSC 2210 USB printer doesn't work (worked in 9.2).
2) My wife's Sony Vaio has a problem loading the agpgart module on bootup. When I get to the console, I modprobe agpgart and startx, and everything's fine (again, worked in 9.2).
3) OpenOffice hasn't made any advances in the last couple months (still at 1.1). Not Mandrake's fault, I realize, just a general complaint. OpenOffice is still soooooo slow.
Anyone know how cooker relates to this version? I'm assuming this is just a snapshot of cooker.
"Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
The distributions that were selling CDs were never particularly nice to upgrade, as that cut into their business model of selling more CD distributions. However you could usually just buy the newer CD, then stick it in and hit 'upgrade' and be done with it.
The more online distributions like Debian and Gentoo have always been much better at this. You simply set up the upgrader to point at the repository you want. Then there are some commands for doing various things that you would want to do in reguards to upgrading.
For instance on Debian you use 'apt-get update' and it would update it's list of packages. 'apt-get upgrade' would just transparently upgrade everything for you. 'apt-get install pkg' would install a new package. Then there were various wrappers for making these easier to use. For instance you set it up so that 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' would simply bring you up to date every night while you slept. Or you could use a nice graphical front end like Synaptic for browsing up new packages and replacing all those hard command line options with a simple 'punish me' button. You could also do funky things like Lindows where you put stubs in your menu to automatically 'apt-get install pkg' whenever you tried to run a program there that wasn't actually installed yet.
The other nice feature of the online distributions is the lack of dependency hell. If the package you want is in the repository then all of it's dependencies should be also and you don't have to run around looking for all of the correct sub-packages to make things work.
It's been interesting to see the big CD distributions move towards this online distribution model. It looks like the convenience it provides is making it a market necessity if you want to remain competitive.
I wanna call it, "Drake! We. Are. LEAVING!"
but then you'll sound like all those dummies who call it OS 'ECKS'.. I'm not sure, but I don't think the Romans pronounced the numerals as letters..
Are you suggesting that we call it Mac OS Decem?
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Judging on the quality of the final release for 9.2 after 3 RC's and the fact that this is the new "non-official-ala-fedora" release, I'm kinda skeptical on the quality of it. In fact, judging from the comments I read on RC1, THAT release was probably more like the last beta and THIS one is probably more like a release candidate. The one people want is going to be the "official" version in May, I think.
Chris
Please, some posts deserve to be modded 5+
Can Slashdot moderators stretch the scale little bit?
Of of the box means it's in the fucking box.
Whether you're joking or not, there are Linux geeks who are seriously like this.
I love the OS, but come fucking on.
Linux: Boomstick Edition.
ALSA version 1.0.2c (in 2.6.3) OSS emulation layer has all sorts of problems. Zero fragment flooding and major USB audio problems just to name two. Much better to stick with 0.9.7 (in 2.6.2) till the ALSA folks get this straightened out.
IMO it is totally inexcusable for a desktop Linux distro to even think of shipping 2.6.3 !
Does it have built in SATA support? Because that's what's killing me now...the 2.6 kernel support for certain controllers is fairly sketchy. I'm thinking Silicon Image here...
What about those who call it mah-koh'-six? :-P It rolls off the tongue, plus it sounds more like a real Unix (which it is).
Reminds me of when a classmate of mine in school first saw the Mac OS 7.5.3 startup screen (which as late as 7.5.0 had just been "Welcome to Macintosh"). "Oh, it's Make-ohs!" (rhymes with a certain brand of fake meat salad topping).
considering the major changes needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel
Configuring, compiling, and installing a 2.6 kernel is simple. Just follow the README instructions. The hardest part is figuring out how to configure lilo/grub/whatever boot loader since every frickin distro seems to want to do things differently!
Have they announced what their new corporate name will be since they lost the lawsuit over the "Mandrake" name?
I don't mean to be overly critical of you...and I like Mandrake. But...
C'mon. seriously. Nothing is every bug free. That's just insane. Nothing, especially something as complicated as an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM, is every completely, 100% bug free. That's just rediculous.
Part of the problem MDK has been having, and that their new release system is trying to fix, is that they have a substantially large user/tester ratio. In other words, too many users for the people who are willing to test. A release can go through forty betas and 10 RC's, and fix ALL reported bugs. But without good testers, it will ship and millions of bugs will be found because there wasn't a good variance of testers.
People expect their software to "just work". But without a lot of testing in a million configurations (especially as current and fast advancing as Mandrake is) that's difficult. Probably impossible.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
There ARE NO "Joe Average" linux users. They are all geeks.
# urpmi mklivecd
... and I haven't tested it on 10.0 ... it will most likely need an update for a 2.6 kernel ...).
...).
# mklivecd livecd.iso
(you should also read the --help of mklivecd
See http://livecd.berlios.de to see some examples of live CDs people have made (many more have been made than those listed
Do you think there is any chance the Radeon 9800 will be supported in a decent fashion? I don't even care about 3D performance (that's for my games OS), but having a resolution greater than 800x600 would be _greatly_ appreciated...
We don't need less distros, we need some idea of continuity between them using standards, such as: .rpm, .deb. .tgz... just one type)
-Standard packaging system (no more
-Standard directory structure
Exactly! As an amateur sysadmin, this type of thing is very frustrating. It's nice when there is some kind of tool you can use to install programs. For instance, YaST on SuSE provides a great GUI for installing and updating things. The problem is when you want to get something bleeding edge, or something for which a package for your distro/release does not exist. Then you're left with compiling from source. Now, I don't mind compiling from source because compiling from source is inherently cool, but `make install' doesn't know where it should put the files. So I have to hunt around and try to pass the appropriate flags to `./configure'. Sometimes this works fine, and other times I am left with a broken program.
The point being that a standard directory structure and packaging system would save me a lot of time. It would save everyone a lot of time.
Magnatune: Quality (DRM-free) MP3/FLAC/
Too bad they're releasing with Gnome 2.4 as 2.6 is scheduled for release about March 22.
- new (innovative) file selector
- new spatial nautilus + faster
- click on a device to mount its filesystem and open a window automatically
- other cool stuff
It's not as if Gnome's release schedule is a secret. Good thing I use that crappy distro called Gentoo that's only used by people who can't use their computer during compiling (because multi-tasking doesn't work in Linux of course, particularly with 2.6 kernels) because I've been trying Gnome in the 2.5.x developer series and it's cool.
Of course, if you like the pimped up NOS/wing/racing stripes on a Honda Civic look and "customizability" of KDE... enjoy.
1)Remove all media for your old release
...)
...)
... but if you don't you will most likely at least want to restart your window manager ..).
...
# urpmi.removemedia -a
(beware, -a removes all media
2)Add media for your new release. If that's the CDs, insert disk one and do
# urpmi.addmedia --distrib 10.0-cd removable:///mnt/cdrom
3)Update urpmi (in future this won't be necessary, the urpmi in 10.0 will automatically update itself if it sees there is an update, and then restart
# urpmi urpmi
4)Upgrade everything else
# urpmi --auto-select
5)Choose a kernel
# urpmi kernel
6)Reboot
# reboot
(only if you need to
So, in 10.0 (or if you're running a beta or rc or cooker), it about a 3 or 4 step process - new/update media; urpmi --auto-select;urpmi kernel
Note that if you don't use the installer, some things are not done for you, so read the release notes
sorry ...
Here it is, folks, the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is available immediately to club members and later the 3 first CDs of the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Download Edition will be available to everyone, but right now we would like to thank all our supporters, club members and contributors, with this exclusive access.
Check the bittorrent page to download the ISOs.
All the club members have access to the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Download Edition 4 CDs set.
Silver and above members have access to the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Powerpack Edition 5 CDs set.
Moreover a Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community DVD Edition is available at Mandrakestore
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
I like my redhat/fedora distro's, but I've been trying for the past couple of evenings to get Fedora Core 2 development installed on my x86-64.. The real issue is support of SATA drives, which Fedora core1 test 1 for AMD64 doesn't provide (it's a 2.4.x kernel). the daily development build will probably work (but I gotta update my boot cd every time they update, talk about a PITA).
The other issue is lack of RAID SATA support, as it just sees the individual drives and not the raid. This I can live with, I would like an actual cd distro that supports sata and x86-64 w/out this huge hassle, but I don't know that I care to switch distros, but I'm willing to consider it if someone can suggest a good x86-64 distro that actually supports sata drives.
The question is: Will SCO sue me for downloading or do I actually have to be running it to get sued?
Mandrake is the best desktop distro I have encountered. The installer is tight and hardware support is excellent. I installed 9.2 and everything worked even my cheap TV Tuner card. KDE ran perfect. I run debian on my servers and love love it for that but it just doesn't compete on the desktop. People shouldn't have to fiddle and diddle for three hours just do get their video card to work under X. I use a computer to accomplish work. Why the hell should I waste time getting it to work?
I'd imagine 10.0 will be a step even further in the right direction. Mandrake is leading the way in the desktop linux environment. This is good for other distros because it raises the bar.
Ask Linus. It may be a side effect but it ain't the goal. The goal is software freedom. Let people choose Linux if they want to because of frustration. Why try to convert people? What a waste of time.
Sell Linux the way the Toyota dealership sells cars. There it is. We know it's better. Take it or leave it. We can haggle a bit on price but there's not much else to say.
Seriously - there should be an immortal archive of Slashdot wit...and Gentoo slagging, of course ;P
This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker
As you were complaining about OOo speed ( I assume boot up) I thought I'd share this that I found on a newsgroup the other day. "make sure OOo is not running, open your favourite file manager and navigate to ~/openoffice/user/psprint and delete the pspfontcache file. Now start up OOo and immediately shut it down again. You should see a new pspfontcache file. Make this file read-only, either using your file manager or with the command line: chmod -w ~/openoffice/user/psprint/pspfontcache" Hope this helps Neil
"Welcome to Hell - Here's your copy of Windows"
If you want what is on the dvd (everything) just download the whole fscking cooker tree and burn it to a dvd. You guys are so resourceful sometimes, I'd be surprised to see you code your way out of a cardboard box.
HOWEVER, some users experience problems with CD-RW and DVD Writers using the new IDE/ATAPI driver interface (i.e., running without the old 2.4.x IDE/SCSI emulation). Mr. Torvalds has said that IDE/SCSI is a really bad hack, but Mr. Schilling (author of cdrecord) has said that SCSI emulation is a good way to handle the large number of new commands/responses introduced by this hardware. Mandrake-10 uses a Mandrake-enhanced version of cdrecord to work with IDE/SCSI. (DON'T bother Mr. Schilling about issues with cdrecord in MDK-10!)
Bottom line is,my CD-RW doesn't work under MDK 10.0-RC1, and your Writer (CD-RW or DVD) might have problems under 10.0. Maybe my CD-RW will work under today's released version, but some of the bugs (in Mandrake bugzilla) are in "WorksForMe" and "WaitForInfo", not yet proven to be fixed to the satisfaction of the original bug reporters. Perhaps my problem is related to cdrdao support the IDE/ATAPI interface. I've been trying to write ISO's (which definitely use cdrdao) and to scribble files onto blank CD-RWs, which might need cdrdao to do the formatting.
It seems that most people, including MDK developers, are not having ANY problems with their writers, but a few of us have been having trouble.
and I hope fedora has provided security updates for the minor security hole in releases prior to 3.0.2.
... not for a serious deployment.
Mandrake 9.2 shipped with 3.0.0 in contrib (because we knew it wasn't going to be production-ready).
And, since contrib is unsupported, there aren't official updates, but there are unofficial ones on the samba mirrors, provided by the Mandrake maintainer (me).
You really don't want to run 3.0.0
DebDrake.
The name says it all. Debian-style package management for Mandrake. I like apt-get, especially in conjunction with the kpackage front end. I also like Mandrake's installer {though I can put up with Debian's command line interface}.
I think the two would go very well together, but I acknowledge that grafting the one onto the other won't be an easy task as Mandrake is rpm-based and well-established.
If I thought I had the time to devote to it, I'd have a go myself.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
Linux sucks, open source sucks! You people destroy the economy! Your software is shitty! You are a CANCER! DIE, DIE, DIE.....COMERCIAL SOFTWARE LIVE LIVE LIVE!
... considering samba3-3.0.0-2mdk shipped with contribs for 9.2 ...
Your point?
As with 9.2, they include 3d accel ati radeon drivers on a *7* cd "poweuser" pack that you must *buy*: -Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrakelinux packs and Mandrakeclub ISO images Now, call me crazy, but I really think that something as important as a video driver should be included on the main cds, and shouldn't be sold separately. I guess it is a propietary kind of issue, so it isn't really mandrake's fault, but why should I pay for drivers for a card I obviously bought? I realize I can download them from ati's site, but a new linux user (the primary target of this distro) is going to have mayor problems with that. For one, since the kernel source isn't included(at least in 9.2), and it's required to compile the drivers, you need an additional 50mb download. I had to find it and download it by hand, since the particular version of the kernel that mdk 9.2 came with, wasn't to be found on the update ftp sites. Additional problems with agp support and shaky tv-out presented then. Nonetheless, I'm expecting this release, if only for improved stability and hardware support.
OOo 1.1.1rc was just released yesterday (3/3). Boot time is slightly quicker. Haven't played around w/ it too much to see if there are any other performance tweeks, but seems to perform better. I'm currently running Mandrake 9.2 w/ KDE 3.1 and I'm excited to see how Mandrake 10 is...heard lots of good about it. 8)
Did you write that [very amusing] text in just four minutes, as suggested by the time diff versus your "parent"?!
H0W l33t!
does anyone have one yet?
if not, can someone start sharing it now please?
I'll be buying the DVD, (already pre-ordered) but I dont want to wait several months just to see it.
someone please share and post a torrent link, thanks!
Until you've tried Mandrake's Apache Advanced Extranet Server I would at least reserve judgement on the Debian-for-servers issue.
date event comment
20031217 2.6 test iso In order to widen 2.6 test, create a one or two CD set with kernel 2.6
20031231 Cooker snapshot 2 CDs with kernel 2.6.0 final as default, XFree86 4.4 pre, KDE 3.1.94, kolab-server
20040122 10.0 beta 1 kernel 2.6.1, kernel 2.4.25 pre6, 3 CDs, pb with i8XX, kde 3.1.95, mozilla 1.6
20040202 10.0 beta 2 kernel 2.6.2 rc3, kernel 2.4.25 pre7, 3 CDs
20040202 Packages version freeze Only bug fixing, no new versions
20040216 10.0 rc1 3 CDs, revert to XFree86 4.3
20040304 10.0 Community Download edition (4 CDs) to all club members
Powerpack edition (5 CDs) to silver and above club members
20040312 10.0 Download 3 first CDs of download edition released to everyone
20040328 10.0 Official
As much as i dont follow mandrake, or much of linux for that matter, i think its great to see a 10.0 release of mandrake on a testing/unstable .oddnumber kernel.
Face it, your distro is no longer the coolest.
DIE!
So what if Mandrake is supposed to be based off of some magician? The first thing I thought of when I heard the name was this root with a purple glow (cmon: you know that would be cool) and didn't understand the yellow star at all until I read about the lawsuit over the name (9.2 being the first Mandrake for me). Besides, root has other fun meanings that make it ideal for a Linux name....
"is that it's the first fully supported FREE distro that has Samba 3 built into it."
Guess you never bothered to check out Fedora because that had Samba 3 built in and is fully supported and FREE.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I put Mandrake 10.0 rc1 two days ago, had a 9.2 previously. I feel very well with it, mainly because of both 2.6 kernel and KDE 3.2 speed up. It even makes my old workstation (Celeron overclocked at 375MHz) turn to useble machine again! Also, I can enjoy my old scanner (Artec) and color printer (Cannon S200) now fully operational with linux. So MDK 10.0 helped me to get rid of Windows 2000 completely, becaused I was forced to kept it just for scanner and printer issues with 2.4 kernel.
There you are, staring at me again.
I've a need for multiple usb devices: palm pilot, sd/mmio card reader, webcam, digital camera. They work well with mdk 9.2's supermount and devFS.
Will it be a problem in 10.0?
I'm a club member for two years, and my membership will expire today. I will not renew.
Several Years Ago Mandrake was in financial difficulties because of poor management. They created MandrakeClub to offer those who liked the distribution an opportunity to help support the company with the kickback of having the voices of the paying customer heard. For at least the past 9 months, this has not been the case. MandrakeClub has become a representativeless moneyhole where loyal paying customers are given the shaft. The idea of RPM voting was a good one, but the most popular RPMs were never packaged. In what was to become a common theme, paying customers were being totally ignored.
Today holds the ultimate example of why I won't be renewing. Club members have been asking for ftp servers as the bittorrent releases don't work. Well, once again they've decided not to listen ot their loyal paying customers and released the 10.0 distro to the Club members - via bittorrent. This is a horridly slow innefective solution. For paying customers, the proper thing to do is offer password protected FTP servers.
Now I know that lots of people think bittorrent is a great idea, but it isn't. Only Club members get the torrents, and right now it looks like it might get downloaded here by next week. The club simply isn't big enough to support bittorrent releases. Bittorrent releases would be a good idea for the non-paying public, but it is a most crappy way to treat loyal paying customers. I'm currently getting less than 10kB/s down using bittorrent.
In 6 months, when Mandrake is again scraping the bottom of the financial barrier, I will not shed a tear for their demise. The developers are good, but the management is horrible. Anyone who treats loyal paying customers as crappily as Mandrake does ends up in the annals of history as yet another failed company.
And them's the facts.
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You seem to consider the fact that Mandrake is going with .torrents rather than FTP as a personal insult. I'm different; I would prefer that Mandrake spends as little money as possible on bandwidth charges and as much as possible on development. Every time Mandrake has set up FTP servers restricted to club members, they get rewarded with people giving away userids and passwords on #mandrake and then their sites get pounded. So now they switch to Bittorrent, and now you'll have to wait at most a few days to get your ISOs, and they save serious cash.
The Mandrake Club idea has always advertised itself as primarilly a way for people to give something back to Mandrake. The other perks are just gravy. The point behind RPM voting is to give the volunteer packagers an idea of what people want. Mandrake doesn't employ a packager to just watch the voting section all day and make packages.
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Here is the entire thread from that article as of right now.
... I'm sure we two are not the only ones who will leave that club!
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Mandrake Club (Score: 1)
by DrVali on Wednesday, February 11 @ 18:15:15 CET
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It's really disturbing to hear what I had suspected - that Mandrake Club had become a representativeless cash-cow for MandrakeSoft.
We are the people who liked your product so much that we laid money on the line in order to keep your company afloat, and now you turn around and tell us that you haven't been listening to us since Deno left... For most of the early subscribers, it was 2 years ago when you asked for help, and those of us who joined are up for our second renewal.
I'm not renewing.
I have to wonder if this type of management got Mandrake in Chapter 11 to begin with, and from what I've seen with the way you handle paying customers, you're likely to be back in financial difficulty soon.
If you want to keep paying customers, you need to respond to them in the forums that they pay to participate in.
If you want to keep paying customers, you should release your products to them. Anyone seen the AMD64 download edition?
Perhaps Club isn't an important part of Mandrake anymore, who knows. If you've become solvent after using Club to bolster you financially while you rearranged and reprioritized, that's fine. Make Club free and earn your keep in your new business model. I'm not renewing, and I know I'm not alone. It's no longer worth it to me.
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Re: Mandrake Club (Score: 1)
by crac on Wednesday, February 11 @ 18:30:07 CET
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I totaly agree and I will follow you in 30 days by not renewing my membership too
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Re: Mandrake Club (Score: 1)
by Foske on Thursday, February 12 @ 09:47:21 CET
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Yup... I only got a few days left... I might come back, when they can show me the club is worth anything again. For now I'll contrib by hunting bugs, I might even buy 10.0, but it's goodbye MandrakeClub.
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Re: Mandrake Club (Score: 1)
by newimr on Thursday, February 12 @ 15:04:12 CET
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Well, the above poster is not exactly making sense, apart from being very angry:
first, the contributors that are responded to and talked about in the news are the mandrake cooker developpers, not the club members. They, the developers, feel mandrakesoft lack communication toward them.
So the whole "i knew we were left over" is not making sense.
As they, the developpers, also asked questions about the club, answers about it are also provided, but it was not a set of questions/answers about the club and its members, but about mandrake soft and the cooker developers.
As to the club members not being listened to:
1/ club members asked for priviledges, it has been done. (earlier iso, mandrake move for silver,
2/ club members asked lately for updated iso: it has been done.
3/ club members asked for a change in the release dates to avoid the 9.2 problems, it has been done.
4/ people kept complaining abouut the menu, done. Now people complain about the new menu, before complaining about the new new menu.
As to the developers coming to the forums to help you set the alsa volume (for example), I prefer to have them fixing the issue alltogether once and for all (and it seems they did in 10). Let the developpers develop!
Yes, it could be nice to have more mandrake people to take care of the forums, and why not, to relay the biggest issues to the developpers. But hasnt been just answered that they plan hiring some?
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Respectfully disagree (Score: 1)
by Azureflare on Wednesday, February 11 @ 19:35:27 CET
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I understand your point of view, it seems that it is difficult to ge
I wholeheartedly concur.
I want to touch Ellen Feiss.
# urpmi.addmedia --distrib mymirror ftp://mymirror.com/path/to/mandrake/release/arch
# urpmi apt
# urpmi synaptic
BTW, there are a few issues with "Debian-style package management".
Firstly, there's a package installation backend, dpkg vs rpm. It's too much work to change between them.
Secondly, there's a package management frontend, urpmi vs apt. apt in Mandrake has been patched to work with the same hdlists as urpmi, so it's really no issue.
The third issue is the package quality and standards, and Mandrake probably has the best package quality of the major rpm distros, because there is a sane library policy, and many tools and automatic checks run on packages.
So, IMHO, apt-get is irrelevant. urpmi has most features apt has, and many apt doesn't have.
So, why don't you give it a try?
Mandrake has a policy that no non-free software may be in the download edition (well, really in main and contrib).
If you want to see display drivers for your display card in the free (freely licensed, as opposed to free to use) version, contact your hardware vendor.
No exceptions are made, the last non-free software (netscape 4) was removed in 7.x.
You get apt the same place you get everything else with Mandrake, urpmi:
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First, add a contrib medium (go to http://www.urpmi.org/easyurpmi if you need help to do this), then:
# urpmi apt synaptic
Of course, urpmi is officially supported, apt isn't, so doing an upgrade is is probably a better time to use urpmi than apt
Thanks a lot the I did not take the "Nat Error" of Azureus enough into account because BitTorrent was working, but at 10 to 20k/s. I moved back to shorewall and opened ports 6881 to 6889 and reached 150k and it was finished in 2 hours and half (for the 2 and half CDs).
hey, I'm glad it worked out for you, I felt the same way you did about bittorrent until I got it working.now that it is working, you can see why bittirrent is better, just think how long you would have had to wait if you tried to DL it from an ftp site the week it came out.
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