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Build a Robot out of a Car?

SomeRobotGuy writes "A researcher in the U.K. is in the process of building an autonomous biped robot out of a Mini Cooper r50. Its functions are controlled by six computers running RTLinux and it's powered by an internal combustion engine. And the thing's not tiny, at over 10 feet tall! The site includes videos showing some impressive results."

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  1. Standard Bending Unit? by mod_critical · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now it just needs a loudspeaker and a recording of "BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS!"

    1. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, after all these years you'd think slashdot would have tried to come up with something that wouldn't cripple the web sites they link to, and cost poor unsuspecting people hugely increased bandwidth fees. For a website that always tries to position itself as siding with the independent, pre-commercial spirit of the internet, the Slashdot editors have a really lousy sense of ethics.

    2. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by BLAG-blast · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You know, after all these years you'd think slashdot would have tried to come up with something that wouldn't cripple the web sites they link to, and cost poor unsuspecting people hugely increased bandwidth fees. For a website that always tries to position itself as siding with the independent, pre-commercial spirit of the internet, the Slashdot editors have a really lousy sense of ethics.

      Right on!

      What makes it even worse is that they have a busines model around fukcing over unsuspecting people. You pay them to see the site before it gets completely crippled (I notice that some times people take down movies and won't put them back up after a slashdotting). Now if it wasn't for the slashdot effect, would so many people pay for slashdot accounts?

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  2. Huh? by TapTapTheChisler · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could have picked any transformer and they pick BUMBLEBEE?

    1. Re:Huh? by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

      Transformer Refuses To Change Back Into Volkswagen

      CYBERTRON -- Following an intense battle with Megatron and his evil Decepticons Monday, former robot-in-disguise Bumblebee refused to revert to his natural state as a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. "I hid my existence in this world by taking the form of a vehicle! I revealed my true nature when I was called upon to protect earth!" said Bumblebee, a member of Optimus Prime's heroic Autobots force. "I refuse to change back into a humiliating bubble-shaped compact car!" Bumblebee added that Megatron arrived on earth with one goal: Destruction!

      (from The Onion)

  3. Next up by bartyboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should use a red tractor trailer to build Optimus Prime.

  4. wow by AssProphet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The things you can do with photoshop...

  5. Bubblegum Crisis by RadicalBender · · Score: 3, Funny

    Holy crap! It's a Motoslave!

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    RadicalBender.com
  6. I just love photoshop... by Richard+N.+Bush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and After Effects.

    1. Re:I just love photoshop... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, to avoid a robot-car gap, I have to turned to my driveway to see what I can do. Mini Cooper r50, prepare to meet '82 Dodge Colt RS! And mine has a sun-roof...

      we meet at dawn.

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      Kip Hawley is an idiot.
  7. It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The site is well camouflaged to make it seem real. The CG work is well done. It wouldn't suprise me if this is a site created by MINI. They have a long history of non-traditional advertising. They have put a MINI in the stands at a Giants Baseball game. They put them into Malls on a platform with coin slots saying $16,995 in quaters for a ride.
    There best known one was putting the MINI on the roof of a Chevy Suburban and driving it arround San Francisco.

    It was also recently revealed that the Weekly World News article with BatBoy Stealing a MINI was a planted article by MINI USA.

    1. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by RajivSLK · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seems that it is advertising.

      A whois lookup on r50rd.co.uk returns the address:

      6 darblay street
      london
      W1V 8DM
      GB

      A quick search for this address on Google reveals:

      Martyn Gould Productions, 6 D'Arblay St, London, W1F 8DN, UK

      On a page titled: "Film and Television - Post Production, Commercials"

  8. Re:More than meets the eye... by Gary+Yogurt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually he's Bumblebee's British cousin, Nigel. (He visited Cybertron during the short-lived Transformers sitcom.)

  9. Poor publicity... by Akki · · Score: 4, Funny

    For something claiming to be "the fastest Web server ever". It certainly doesn't seem to be standing up to a slashdotting very well.

    1. Re:Poor publicity... by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Funny
      For something claiming to be "the fastest Web server ever" [zeus.com]. It certainly doesn't seem to be standing up to a slashdotting very well.

      Of course they are the fastest. They ran away.

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      "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    2. Re:Poor publicity... by Myco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I don't know... it went down pretty fast.

  10. HOLA! by GoMMiX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now THAT is a toy!!

    I'll take a dozen!

  11. They should have run the by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Funny

    server on the cooper engine.
    MORE HORSEPOWER!!

  12. And the winner is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would hate to be the other robot when this thing makes it to battle bots.

  13. Site is Farked... by d0st03vsky · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...er, I mean /.-ed...

  14. Decepticon Millennium Copyright Act by SunPin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, this is an unacceptable use of an automobile.

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    Laws are for people with no friends.
  15. FAKE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Watch the "Battery Test" video, if that isn't CGI then I'm a monkey's uncle.

    1. Re:FAKE! by sakusha · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right, it's a dead giveaway. Notice the guy holding the clipboard, the lighting is camera left since the clipboard casts a shadow on his chest. But the fake CG shadows from the "robot" indicate the model was lit from the camera upper right. And none of the background objects (i.e. the cart) casts shadows anywhere near as distinct as the "robot."
      Come on fakers, don't you know that your lighting has to be consistent between composited layers?

    2. Re:FAKE! by vectra14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      bad form to reply to self, etc etc, but just wanted to put the final nail into this coffin (err....):

      "The gyros are polled at 100Hz, which is overkill considering the height of the robot's CG. With six gyros churning at 100hz, a lot of mission-critical bandwidth is required, so I placed the gyros on their own token-ring controller that is accessible only to the balance and watchdog CPUs. "

      100hz is SLOW for low-level feedback control. we run 4-wheel omni-dir robots and they go at 300 hz... i would think that you need an even higher control frequency (and lots of sensors/fast actuators!) when you're balancing a humanoid.

      the robots center of gravity has nothing to do with this. also you would probably have more than 6 gyros for this many limbs... and you'd also have accelerometers, etc. a token ring has NOTHING to do we gyro/accel-type sensors. in fact all a gyro/acc requires for output is usually a single wire connection (analog or duty cycle output)

      also, humanoids are REALLY difficult to keep balanced, not even speaking of through doing some actions (stopping cars?????). oh yeah, and motors with torque high enough to actually support that thing either a) don't exist or b) are too slow or c) REALLY expensive. take a look at the sony SDR-4X robot ( i think it got renamed recently) and its joints. compare to Honda's ASIMO thats a few years older. etc etc...

  16. Next Project by Catnapster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take an F-15 and turn it into Starscream.

    Or, optionally, find a thirty-foot-long alien ray gun and turn it into Shockwave.

    Don't forget Unicron!

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    The world can be wrong today for once.
  17. Re:Geez. by introverted · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites.

    I wonder if perhaps that's a sign that the small hobbyist sites are the only ones doing "cool" stuff anymore.

  18. It's Not Real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is nothing but fluff on that site. The "sketches" have the stink of marketing all over them. Now, whenever I see a Mini Cooper, I'll be reminded of their pathetic "me too" attempt to get some attention. At least Honda's Cog ad actually entailed some technological brilliance and real work to make happen. All this does is raise the question of where the line should be drawn when it comes to making false claims of research and development in order to get free advertising. Isn't that illegal? What's the difference between what Mini is doing and what we'd think of a drug company that fabricated a bunch of bogus "technology" to imply that it had a cure for cancer for the purpose of getting free advertising?

    Yeah, I guess I don't like the feeling of being duped by a marketing department.

  19. Yeah. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note to self: If I ever make a web server, don't put advertisements for it on "Error 503: Server Broke" page.

  20. Red Green by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Red Green already did this with a K-Car. And a few rolls of duct tape.

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    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  21. I liked it better by aexandria1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    when they called it KITT. All they need now is a couple of LEDs on the front of the car and William Daniels in the trunk.

  22. This would be cooler if... by rasafras · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...it were real. This is basically a less cool version of the VW bug transformer video, which can be found here (sorry about the format). The creator of the video has an interview here, though the original site is down.

    I'm surprised this slipped through, editors.

  23. Re:Slashdotted already! by xandroid · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was lucky enough to get the actual article a second later, too -- link

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    $ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
  24. OT:Geez. by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's great. Link to a small site with a bunch of medium mpeg files. Give them no warning. Has slashdot no shame??? Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites. *sigh*
    I agree that this might inconvenience many small sites, and in the case of those who (for whatever awful reason) have bandwidth overage charges instead of an auto-cutoff it might even put them in the poor house. However the current /. system works pretty well, especially when a subscriber takes it upon themselves (throwing caution and probably several legalities to the wind) to mirror the content or Google caches the site so we can at least read the text. And for quite some time on the Internet the reality is that any site, on any subject, anywhere geographically, can be /.'ed by MANY different news/aggregator sites if they link to it. And with the high content value on small sites that concentrate on a single subject (esp if it's the original author/design team/etc's site) there is a much higher probablility that it will be selected to be /.'ed by the world at large. Of course hardly anyone at these small sites actually considers that they might get blasted by a "friendly DDOS", and even the ones who think/pray for the attention of a giant like /. probably don't go the extra bit and make sure their sites can either withstand it or fail gracefully (without the aforementioned bandwidth overage charges). Seems to me some of these "build a basic website" primers need to add a section on ALL the various things that can happen to even hobby websites; not only /.'ing but also defacement, etc.

    Of course I agree it's a problem, just giving my thoughts on the situation...

    Jonah Hex
  25. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by sakusha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, remember your conservation of momentum, the bot doesn't move when it grabs the car, it should at least absorb part of the kinetic energy and have to push back, or be pulled along with the car a tiny bit. Consider a similar collision on a smaller scale, what would happen if you tried to halt a guy on a bicycle?
    And notice the bot casts a shadow but the car doesn't. Totally fake. Also notice all these "tests" are done with a locked-down camera, that's a giveaway of a bad CG producer, anyone with real skills would have used a handheld camera and used move matching.

  26. Re:And the final proof by VikingBrad · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Mini are about to introduce the Mini Convertible so can you guess what the ad campaign is going to be?

    Free advertising here on Slashdot.

    Cheers
    VikingBrad

  27. Updated version by cgenman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the personal website of the author has a cleaned up, and significantly larger, version available here.

  28. mirror by xWh3lPx · · Score: 5, Informative

    managed to mirror it here.

  29. Stealth Marketing directed at Slashdot by tekrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have you guys heard of "Stealth Marketing"? 60 Minutes covered it a few months back, but basically, imagine this scenario.

    You're walking down times square, and a pretty couple with exotic accents, who look and act like tourists asks you to take their photo. They hand you their digital camera. You notice it's one you've never seen or heard of before, so you snap the photo, and then ask about it, and they proceed to tell you how cool this camera is.

    You've just been 'Stealth Marketed' -- the tourists are fake, actors hired to stand in Times Square asking people to take their photo.

    You're sitting in Starbucks and you see a guy playing a cool game on his laptop. Pretty soon, he's letting you try the game and you're hooked. Turns out he's also an actor hired to sit in the coffee shop and get people to try the game.

    This looks to me like a Stealth Marketing campaign diliberately directed at the Slashdot crowd. Note the post came from "SomeRobotGuy", who, I'll bet, is also in on this gag.

    The server was supposed to get slashdotted to hell and not work properly, as that lends an air of credibility to the hack.

    You're all part of a campaign directed at people like us who read Slashdot, ArsTechnica, HardOCP, and Wired. Chances are this site will make the rounds on all the hardcore tech sites, and if it makes a few people consider buying a Mini-Cooper, then the Stealth Marketing guys have done their job.

    Believe me, this won't be the last time you're "hacked" by Marketing types who are getting more clever about how to direct an advertising campaign at you without you even realising you're being advertised to.

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  30. Nail in the coffin of it... by Vthornheart · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Okay, check this one out: http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin /videos/light_test.htm


    The difference in shadow casting between the two objects, when they are both at roughly the same location, is so dramatic that it could not possibly be anything but a hoax.


    I had a really long post that I was going to type about disproving the "robot stopping the jeep" through some ideal physics calculations, but my computer locked up on me (and I was lacking an initial velocity value for the Jeep). However, if anyone's a Physics guru and wants to give it a go, I compiled some initial data for it:


    Weight of Jeep: ~1800kg.


    Weight of Robot (assuming it's still about the same weight as the car it was made from): ~1483kg.


    Coefficient of Friction for Car on pavement: .8


    Coefficient of Friction for robot on pavement: ???
    (Anyone know the M
    Time before stop: ~1.5sec


    So what we'd really need is the coeff. of Kinetic Friction for metal on pavement, the initial velocity of the Jeep, and... can't think of anything else. We could then figure out the force, under ideal conditions, that the robot must have been under. My wager is that the force would be significant. But the light difference, as shown in the video linked to above, is proof enough I think. I'll believe the Robot story when I physically touch the thing.

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  31. Mirror by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another poster has put up a mirror, though nobody seems to have noticed the original comment.

    The mirror is available here.

    The page doesn't load animations properly in Opera, and relies upon Quicktime to display the Mpegs. It might work in Mozilla, but it might not.

    And again, adulations aplenty to xWh3lPx for the mirror.