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Man Admits to Bigfoot Hoax
JCMay writes "You know that film we've all seen on TV where a large, hairy creature is walking through the woods, looks back over his right shoulder at the camera, and continues walking on? WorldNetDaily is reporting that a man has admitted to a 1967 bigfoot hoax where he was filmed walking through the woods wearing a gorilla suit."
Ok, now the funny part of this is that it's under the science section ;)
Note to self: get smarter troll to guard door.
It's a hoax!?! No, it can't be!!!!!!
10b||~10b -- aah, what a question!
That piece of film was exposed as a hoax long ago, but it didn't affect the true believers. This is a bit similar to the crop circle believers. The people who invented the crop circle came forward and explained how it was done. The true believers think they are lying, and that crop circles are really made by aliens.
And, I read a book by James Randi a couple years ago where he talks about a cold reader that he trained (like John Edwards). The cold reader did his little tricks, and even after the hoax was exposed, his marks still thought he had some psychic abilities.
Therefore, I predict Bigfoot believers still have a long and profitable future ahead.
This is America, damnit. Speak Spanish!
Next thing I know, they'll also tell me Santa doesn't exist!
Does the truth matter? The Bigfoot kooks will still insist that the footage is real. Likely, they will claim some sort of conspiracy that caused the man to deny that his real footage was real.
Ever hear of the "Viking explorers went to Minnesota" theory? I bet you haven't heard that the guy who made this one up admitted it was fake years ago.
The same thing with crop circles. The guy who started this admitted it years ago, but the mistique and belief (mistaken belief?) remains.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
How do I know? In 1976, Steve Austin - the Six Million Dollar Man - revealed to us that Bigfoot was an experiment by aliens.
So, what on the Net are you doubting? My claim that the Viking tale is fake, or your link's claim that the hoax stone is real?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
If bigfoot does not exist then that does not make the film a hoax. The filmer could have believed what he saw was real. Most people who see the Lochness monster ain't lying they just thought they saw something wich looked like the monster in their mind. A hoax is deliberate misleading.
And if the movie is a hoax or a honest mistake then this proves nothing about bigfoot. Sad thing is that it is really hard to prove a negative. Those who believe will simply say we haven't found it yet. Those who don't will be hard pressed to prove their is nothing to be found. In a way I think bigfoot is charming. It certainly is one of the less harmfull conspiracy theories you can follow.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
This is just like UFO's as "alien spacecraft". Almost all the "evidence" is fake, and none of what little evidence that remains supports the case.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
They got to him and made him tell everyone it was a hoax! Who? The government, probably. Likely, when its useful purpose (to distract Americans from bigger, scarier happenings) was served, they decided it was time to say it was a "hoax."
Bigfoot is real, I tell you. The reason they are so hard to find is that somewhere years back, Bigfoot crossbred with the Squonk of Pennsylvania. All Bigfeet have Squonk genes now.
When scared or tracked, a frightened Bigfoot has its Squonk genes take over and it melts into a puddle of tears. The same thing happens when one dies or is shot. This is why there are no bones or other fossil remains of Bigfoot to be found.
"The Squonk is of a very retiring disposition and due to its ugliness, weeps constantly. It is easy prey for hunters who simply follow a tear-stained trail. When cornered it will dissolve itself into tears." - Genesis, "A Trick of the Tail"
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Me is real, just hinding. Silent, not like cameras, big foot not big mouth.
Sometimes I listen to Coast to Coast... and ussually the guests are so outragously wrong, or dumb (the people who 'record' ghost voices onto 'blank' tapes come to mind, thats so funny its sad) I can't stand more than five minutes.... but occassionally I hear someone talk about Bigfoot, or Crop Circles, or some other nonsence and they actually sound sane... you think 'if this evidence is valid, then....'
So I wonder for a second or two, why is there no one putting as much effort into showing the faults, or conversly if it is real why hasn't the entire media gone ape-shit over it?
And suddenly I remember, to most rational people the faults are obvious if you stop for a few minutes and look at the 'evidence' (take a look at Richard Hoagland's wonderful blown up martian images). And to the believers everything that points against them is either from close minded "establishment" scientists, or some grand conspiracy.
You could give UFO nuts immediate access to EVERYTHING the US gov't has ever produced, and when they found no records of the grand Alien-Gov't summit they would claim that it was all removed.
While the concept of 'bigfoot' isn't as ridiculous and absurd as aliens coming all the way to our planet is supposedly faster-than-light craft to anally probe whitley steiber, drawn in some wheat, and possibly do things to people that can ussually be otherwise explained with real psycological/physialogic explainations its increasingly closure that that level when NOONE has ever taken a remotely clear photo / video or capture/killed one. Its a figgin lare animal in a relatively well traveled and populated region people!
The Washington Post reported this, not Worldnet Daily, which just pilfered the news.
The errors in my Slashdot posts are embarrasingly bad. I am sorry. I will have to pay more atention in the future :)
I could care less about what the nuts, errr true believers, think. They are a self-propigating fringe society and take the X-Files way too seriously. We will never be able to convince them they are wrong just like an atheist can't convince a Christian their wrong (not saying they are, just saying they can't be convinced).
What scares me is the people out there who don't understand how science works seing these *documentaries* on big foot, loch ness, aliens or whatever (This is why I boycott the Discovery Channel).
I has a conversation a few months ago with one my wife's friends. I would consider her an intelligent person but then she warned me that when Galileo crashes into Jupiter, there is a slight chance that the radioactive fuel will turn Jupiter into a second sun. I didn't know what to say, I was at a complete loss of words. I tried to explain that the energy from the impact would be miniscule compare to other impacts in Jupiter's history but she was convinced that it had something to due with the nuclear fuel. I was too drunk at the time to explain fusion to her.
I believe she said she saw this on some mainstream television show.
We either need more emphasis on the scientific method in schools or we need to enforece these documentaries to have a disclaimer that all content is considered BS by the mainstream scientific community.
Lord, bless my users that they may stop being such fucking idiots!!
In December 2002, Ray L. Wallace made a death bed confession that BigFoot was a hoax. CNN had all of the details. I remember seeing accounts that showed photos of the wooden feet, etc.
Umm... Everyone with a non-zero IQ already knew that.
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
Anybody who bothers to read The Oregonian knew this last year when the guy announced the hoax. It even made national television news and he was on Good Morning America. Whoa, this one got past the editors why?
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Seriously, aside from people selling plaster footprints, was there ever really any doubt that this was fake? I can remember seeing this video when I was like seven, and telling my dad "Man in a halloween costume"
Awesome!
Man admits Bigfoot hoax confession was in fact a hoax.
which would be funny since Al Gore said he did invent it, and it is in the public record.
Bigfoot (Harry) even had a sitcom comedy on TV! ;)
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About a year ago, I had an interesting conversation with the cab driver who was taking me to the airport. It went like this:
Cabbie: I'm only going to live in Arizona for a year more. After that, I'm going to live in Alaska
Me: Oh really? What will you be doing there?
Cabbie: I wanna be a Gold Prospector. And I wanna look for fossils.
Me: Sounds Interesting. What kind of fossils will you be looking for?
Cabbie: Well, anything I can find. But what I really wanna find is a fossil of Big Foot.
Me: Oh... I see...
Cabbie: Yeah! Those things exist you know! One passed in front of my truck 20 years ago!
Me: Wow... must have been... interesting
Cabbie: Yeah. Apparently this guy found one up in Alaska but then the Government came and took it away. They government hides that kind of stuff from us. They always do. That and the UFOs
Me: Yeah... Totally...
Cabbie: Yeah! I know they have UFOs and stuff. You know, Area 51? All those abductions and things like that. They're abducting people. I guess we're like Lab Animals to them. The aliens, you know...
Me: Yeah... cool...
At this point I had reached the airport. This happened some time ago, so I guess he's in Alaska looking for Big foot right about now. I wonder how this news affected him...
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Sheesh ... first, I now believe in the JFK-single-bullet-theory, now this. And, you can't see the wall of China from space, either!
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your mortgage, SUV, and illiterate innumerate children.
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More people in this age bracket believe in UFOs than believe that they will ever see a penny of social security money.
When will the government get us out of this Ponzi Scheme - But wait, it must be true, I get a statement every year from the government telling me what is in my "account"
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Mitch Hedberg: "I think Bigfoot IS blurry, and that's extra scary."
That era was full of "found a buried tablet" hoaxes. In fact, there is a major religion based on one. Next time you are in Utah, check it out.
to their photoshoot of 'man on moon with fluttering flag'?
Even if you discount 90% of the reports on http://www.bfro.net there will still be enough with actual details that you'll believe bigfoot is capable of evading human capture. There is so much wilderness just in the lower 48 of the USA that a semi-intelligent hominid can easily find refuge as long as it's got a food source. Maine is 98% forest, the states of Washington and Oregon have thousands of square miles of temperate rain forest that is suitable habitat. favorite search terms: dermal ridge bigfoot
So this guy claims it was him all along; that it was a hoax. Why should we believe him? There is no more evidence to support his claim than the claim that it was really BigFoot out there. Maybe it was somebody *else* in a suit. This claim is meaningless, just like the guy that claimed to be responsible for the classis nessie shot. No proof, not supporting evidence; just a claim.
Other interesting sites are CSICOP and Skeptic Magazine.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Just don't tell the Sasquatch Militia!! If you do, they'll kick the fur out of you next time you visit Cascadia.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Read the article you idiot. The cameraman paid this guy $1,000 to get into the suit and walk in front of the camera.
Taken from article.
The CSICOP has repeatedly published attempts to discredit or at least question the authenticity of the film in their popular magazine, the Skeptical Inquirer (most recently Radford, 2002; and Daegling and Schmitt, 1999). Rather than evaluating the film, Radford recounted Daegling and Schmitt's analysis and invoked the questionable reasoning that there haven't been any more films, a known liar claims to have sent them to the site, and that Patterson made money from the film- like Adrian Zapruder and anyone else who has ever captured something unique on film. He further points out that anatomists have found the figure's movement to be "essentially human," just as one would expect for any similar-shaped, large, nonhuman biped.
Daegling and Schmitt chose to critique other analyses of the film rather than actually analyzing the footage themselves. They viewed one of the popular, third-generation copies that are widely available on numerous poor quality videotapes and concluded that "poor image quality" was one of the factors that "doomed quantitative analysis." Moreover, as two anthropologists viewing a poor quality videotape, they considered their assessment of the images themselves as comparable to those of a Board Certified Forensic Examiner who specializes in image enhancement and reconstruction, and who was able to examine high resolution scans of a first generation copy of the original film (Glickman, 1998).
After three years of "rigorous forensic examination" Glickman concluded that the figure could not be demonstrated to be a forgery, which is the same conclusion Daegling and Schmitt were forced to admit. But Glickman also concluded that he "could not relate the subject to a human archetype," while Daegling and Schmitt preferred to dismiss analysis of the footage itself and instead to focus on claims, rather than measurements, that humans can exhibit a so-called "compliant gait" and its resultant effects on other movement.
They never addressed Glickman's kinematic results for knee flexion nor Glickman's conclusion that the replication of the knee movement was possible but appeared to interfere with mimicking other movements observed in the figure. Instead they spent the majority of their article correctly showing that there was no way of establishing the figure's height with any degree of certainty.
A new high quality digitization of the first generation film is now widely available for analysis.
So you mean I can't really get 800 more gigabytes out of my Bigfoot?
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The guy claims that he didn't get squat:
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I don't know...there are a lot of factors in there to suggest that it's not a hoax. There are a few things that bother me:
I'm not entirely convinced that it's genuine, but I'm just not convinced it's a hoax either.
I ask /. readers this. How big and bulky were the cameras of the time this footage was taken? I have seen this footage as many people have. I saw nothing in the film that would lead me to speculate as to whether it was a hoax or not. The fact is, what are the chances the cameraman had his gear setup at the right spot to get that film? Also large apes tend to be territorial, look at mountain gorrilas. I find it hard to believe that a female hominid would just walk away from the filmer without so much as a grunt or a charge towards him. Alas not even a rock thrown towards him. Also no other footage of this quality has ever come to light, sure my cousins nephews wifes daughters freind saw bigfoot. How reliable is triple hearsay though. Native Americans have stories of bigfoot also, they also have stories of Thunder Birds. In a time where satelites can track heat, why has noone used a satelite to scan these areas for traces of something, surely something that large puts out a ton of heat. And what of diet? An animal that size must spend its entire day foraging, the caloric intake it must need daily would surely at some time or another have it interact in some way with man. (Raccoon in the trash bin, or Yogi and picnic baskets) I personally find this a hard story to swallow, nonetheless it still makes for an interesting campfire tale.
Seeing is believing, and your eyes can trick you. I'll believe when they are real when science has one to study, until then I remain a nonbeliever.
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Didn't Al Gore invent Bigfoot?
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This is all to distract us from the real hoax. The figure in the film is wearing a gorilla suit (this is blatantly obvious to anyone who watches it, especially someone who's spent as much time "working" with gorilla suits as I have (don't ask, you don't want to know)), but what they don't mention is that it's in fact Bigfoot wearing the gorilla suit and deliberately trying to walk like a human. Look closely: you can tell that the suit is too small for him, despite the well-known fact that gorilla suits are made "one size fits all". All humans, that is...
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The pictures are not a bear or a guy in a suit.
Correct. They are gorillas in a zoo. I mean, literally in a zoo, you can see the form-marks in the concrete on the edge of one of the backdrops.
Looks like the Philly ape enclosure around 1989 but I could be wrong; I don't visit there very often.
Everyone should believe in UFOs. There's no surprise that people see flying objects they can't identify. I just don't believe UFOs are space aliens.
I just heard this last night on the radio. A minister was asked, "Do you believe in full emersion baptism?" His reply was, "Believe in it? I've seen it!"
As far as social security, if you are in your 30s, one of two things will happen. Either 20 years from now you will be paying 75% taxes (income + payroll) or the baby boomers will not get the benifits they wrote into law. I'm betting on option #2.