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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Ready For Download
joestar writes "The new Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community has just showed up on Mandrake's FTP mirrors and through Bittorrent. MandrakeClub Members benefit from extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO for Corporate Memberships! Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days." Update: 03/11 06:23 GMT by T : Cheap ISOs are also available from merchants like OSDisc.com and CheapBytes.
This is good and all, but when's longhorn comming out? And more importantly, who's going to have the torrent for it?
Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
This guy is way out there
My Torrent is SOOO much faster /.
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kids, this is a Great example of the good side of the
It has KDE 3.2, which is worth an upgrade all in itself! KDE 3.2 is a worth while upgrade, for any distro, not just Mandrake. I have it on Gentoo, and it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.
"...Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days."
What in sam hell is he saying? timothy, could you do your job as editor and edit some correct grammar into this fragment of a sentence?
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
Mdk 10 is here but will miss these:
kernel 2.6.4 out soon (not as big a deal)
Gnome 2.6 out soon
OpenOffice 1.1.1 out soon
KDE 3.2.1 out now
Gimp 2.0 out soon
etc, etc, etc.
It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!
Is posting a .torrent of it, by someone who got it legal?
I mean, great most of Linux is GNU but doesn't Mandrake include some proprietary pieces that would make distributing it to us random hackers illegal, or is the restriction just caused by bandwidth considerations?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
I definitely prefer that to an increase of -10.00%!
I presume this means something along the lines of: more good news for the Mandrake community is that this new release has caused Mandrakesoft's stock to resume trading and is up 10% in three days.
Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?
From their features page:
System overview
Mandrakelinux 10.0 features the following software:
Kernel 2.6.3
XFree86 4.3
Glibc 2.3.3 with Native POSIX Threads Library (NPTL) support
GCC 3.3.2
Apache 2.0.48, Samba 3.0.2, MySQL 4.0.18
ProFTPD 1.2.9, Postfix 2.0.18, OpenSSH 3.6.1p2
KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, IceWM 1.2.13
OpenOffice.org 1.1, KOffice 1.3, Gnumeric 1.2.6
Mozilla 1.6, The GIMP 1.2.5, XMMS 1.2.9
What Mandrake does is great; they produce a very nice desktop distribution, but it's no secret that their product tends to be incredibly buggy out of the box.
Let's hope this helps them improve the quality of their releases!
apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
First I wanted to be a chef. Then I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambitions have continued to grow ever since.
I am waiting on a non-numberd version. I almos bit with OS-X. But at the last second I realized it was a roman # 10. Close.
I've been a big fan of Mandrake since 5.3. I stuck with them through a few x.0 fiascos and rarely been affected by whatever mistakes people have discovered. That being said, what Mandrake's done with 10.0 and the idea of the community release is to shorten the beta and RC cycle down, releasing a distro that's "mostly ready" so the final bugs can be worked out before the "official" version. I translate that to the community release being just another release candidate and have no plans to install it on my regular use home system (as opposed to the beta testing system I normally leave on Cooker) until they get the rest of the kinks worked out.
In the meantime, that former Cooker system is compiling the kernel for a LiveCD / i686 Stage 3 Gentoo 2004.0 install. I look forward to seeing just how different these 2 distros are to use on a daily basis. (Save any stage 1 for real performance comments. I did that back when 1.4 was released and didn't want to sit around so long again.)
Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult. I could be mistaken though. Debian has had sid packages for 2.6 for a while.
While I use Fedora, and previously RedHat, I do love to see someone mking money (or at least loosing less) on a Linux Marketshare.
The more money linux makes, the more money will get poured into it. So long as Linus doesn't sell out this is a good thing, and I like it.
Maybey its time to give Mandrake a try, hows the support (ie, is there an up2date style thing thats free like in fedora?)?
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The recently used programs links, if you're talking about the K menu, are disabled by default in Mandrake. To enable them:
- Right click on the Panel (bar across the bottom), select "Configure Panel"
- On the window that pops up, click the Menus tab
- Towards the bottom of the pane, see "QuickStart Menu Items" for your options.
- Click OK/Apply.
I'll answer a lot of these...
> SuSE Linux installs more easily,
That's in the eye of the beholder, but I'm happy with the Mandrake 10.0 install process. The only problem I have with it is the configuration of wireless cards in that it's fairly complicated as compared to others.
> has a few nice mods to KDE (including recently used programs' links, ALA Windows XP style)
IIRC, that's standard in KDE 3.2+. The Mandrake 10.0 distro that I'm running right now has the "Most Used Applications" as well as "Recently Used Programs." I don't think that's a SuSE-only mod.
> and has YaST, a package installer GUI for rpms.
urpmi, and the gui of it, gurpmi, as well as rpmdrake and mandrakeupdate. IMHO, it doesn't get easier than clicking on it through the mandrake control center.
> YaST also functions to easily change configurations for NICs, displays, TV tuner cards, and more.
I've been able to change from my display on my laptop to my tv screen flawlessly. Also, Mandrake appears to be able to handle a change of my hardware without blinking, provided that it is of course, supported. I don't think that it's a distro thing, much more than a kernel/module thing.
Now, I'm not here to play the "My distro can beat up your distro" game, but let's not imply that SuSE can do all of these things, and Mandrake can't
chromi is dead slow unless you install the x drivers for the card that use hardware acceleration. it was dead slow on my nvidia cards till I did this.
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I'd prefer a better increase of +10.00000000000%
In short, this is a final beta.
This sig no verb.
Mandrake have already made it available on bittorrent. I believe the original article gave the link.
When I read this I wanted to skip the rest of class for the day so I could rush home and get Mandrake 10.0. Honestly I'm a die hard Linux supporter but out of laziness I'm still only a newbie, Mandrake is easy for me to set everything I need to, the Internet connection sharing makes my tiny home network a breeze to run and I feel much more secure with the knowledge that I am impervious to script kiddies.
IMO Mandrake is going to become the desktop solution for windows migrators who need to have ease of use as much as anything else.
If Mandrake 10.0 has been advanced as much as 9.2 did from 9.1 then this dist should be getting damn near perfect for what I want. Not that 9.2 is all that far from it.
Sigh....if only I had a hill close enough by for me to shout from.
Yep, it's already out out and on the mirrors next to the Mandrake 10 ISOs. It's called MandrakeMove.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Linux alone has so many distros to try on, while I welcome such variety and swift updates, I also find myself grasping for breath after a couple of such releases.
Yes, unlike most people, I'm still on a 56K dial-up connection.
so sometimes I find myself waiting for so-and-so releases to be available on a magazine CD before I do the 'upgrades', and we're talking about weeks if not months.
I'm wondering if there are others who are in the similar 56K boat like myself, and feel that another group is slowly pulling away from me.
You pay them money, they give you stuff (software, drivers) that they can't include in the download edition because it's not free.
Unless you're RMS, what's the problem?
More importantly, what does "Community" mean in this Mandrake release? Is this a pre 10.0 release of some sort - made available to everyone for testing? Will there be a new 10.0 final after this made available only to club members for the first X number of weeks (like 9.2 was). I remember seeing that 10.0 Community as available only to club members just last week.
This script was able to make a DVD image from the CD images.
It's for Red Hat, but works with Mandrake too.
Wow maybe I'm just not a fan of Mandrake, the first time someone gave me a CD to help them install it I literally thought it was a prank someone was playing. I laugh at AOL commercials who have 9.0 version out with 'hundreds of new features' and just now realized how quickly linux versions jump numbers. Looked at an old Slackware disc I got from cheapbytes think it was 3.6 and now they're up to 9.0+ now, and have to ask myself have there really been that many huge changes to their distrobution to have it be a major release each time? I'm a big SuSE advocate and even with them wonder why it's 9.0 all of a sudden. Many of my machines are still running SuSE 7.2 and upgraded to that from 5.3 and 6.3.
10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?
I guess numbers mean squat to me anymore.
*DrugCheese rants*
I'm presently a Fedora user. I used to be a Mandrake user. I look at Mandrake as a distro that strives to be simple enough for a newbie/former-Windows user, but seems to lack good QA processes. I've followed Mandrake's releases enthusiastically for years (I think version 5(?) was the first one I tried) until I found that version 9 *still* took forever to automount data CDs. I'd put in a data CD, and Konqueror would freeze for several seconds (30+) when I would try to access it. And you know what this equates to for the average computer user? "Linux is slow," that's what. And that doesn't help anyone. Heck, I even gave Mandrake Move a try, and the problem's STILL there! Knoppix doesn't do it, so what gives?
Don't get me wrong; my whole world doesn't revolve around automount; it's just a good example of Mandrake's operations. I'm of the mind that if you're going to put a convenience feature in the software, for God's sake make it work right, or just leave it out! Like it or not, if you're trying to get Windows users to switch, you'll need a working automount for CDs--forcing them to learn to use mount on the command-line when they shouldn't have to is not an option if you're serious about user-friendliness.
Oh, and another thing that bugged me--they included this autorun program on the CD that would supposedly allow one to begin the Mandrake installation from Windows, but clicking the "install" button never did anything. Good way to persuade Windows users to use your product! Why even include it? Typical Mandrake. I posted this to the bug tracker (and found I wasn't the first), but even as of version 9--and I think 9.1--they still didn't fix it. So I never joined the Mandrake Club (I came close), and just stopped using Mandrake altogether, because it seemed to me they would probably never get their act together completely. Maybe now that they're trying to emulate Red Hat's business model they will be able to limp along a while longer. Right now I've got a Fedora Core 1 install that works great, and Mandrake is just something I'd rather forget.
I'm sorry if this info is of no use to anyone; mod me down as you see fit. Who knows, maybe all the stuff I mentioned is fixed in this new Community release? Maybe, but given Mandrake's track record, I doubt it.
This might be because of the pre-emptible kernel
I can say that on my system at least, it had some significant gains in speed from KDE 3.1.x, aside from speed gains from the new kernel. I'm using Debian and didn't bother updating the kernel to 2.6 for a while, but in the meantime did do the kde 3.2 and experienced a pretty good speed increase. Though there was even more when I finally did update the kernel - in fact I did it after playing with a test release of Mandrake 10. 3.2 plus 2.6 had such a great effect together I had to have it on my main system.
Everything will be taken away from you.
You don't pay for those software, you pay to have someone put it together for you. Hack, if you are willing to wait, you don't even have to pay or you can go with Linux from Scratch project and put it together yourself.
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I just signed up last week after the announcement
of 10.0 being available to club members. So
I signed up and they charged my credit card
and haven't sent me my account/password. They
are also ignoring my emails. The FAQ states
they will send a login and password within
an hour if order via credit card. Am I missing
something here? Their site is horrible IMHO, to
difficult to find anything useful.
It's free, you moron.
I like the idea of Torrent, but it simply doesn't work.
Yes, it does.
The protocol is designed to make your download rate roughly proportional to your upload rate; however, when you start a file you have nothing to upload, so it lets you download for a while with no consequences. Shortly afterwards, however, it begins uploading rapidly in order to make up for that. If you were to leave it on for longer than 15 minutes, it probably would've began improving rapidly. Also, if you're behind a firewall, you should forward incoming connections on ports 6881 through 6889 to your computer.
Also, if you have a connection where the upstream is much lower than than the downstream -- such as a typical ADSL or Cable connection -- keep in mind that if your upstream bandwidth is saturated, you won't be able to download anything with any success. If you need to restrict your upstream bandwidth, try this alternate client. I find that a cap of 10 or 15 kB/s is good on a connection with 128kbps upstream.
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
I beg to differ. Let bittorrent run for a while. I've had it running for a couple of hours. 791 MB downloaded and 222 MB uploaded. Of course your first 15 minutes or so you'll get horrible download speeds. It takes a while for it to build up and start giving you decent speeds.
As of right now I'm downloading 102 k/sec. If...and I repeat *IF* you were actually able to connect to one of those slashdotted ftp mirrors, do you really think you'd get downloads of 102 k/sec?
In my book, any file transfer technology that can give me 100k/sec under a good slashdotting is a file transfer technology that works VERY well. Especially when you take into account that webservers can't even seem to transfer static webpages under the load of a slashdotting.
Why ?
Because Mandrakesoft is running a more and more weird policy to force us to suscribe to their "club" - for which we'd have to pay $5 or $10 a month - and to systematically buy their product rather than downloading it.
For example, the new "release scheme" they're running for 10.0 is just a PR-disguise of something that actually amounts to
1) First, Community=Beta=Buggy version available in stores (only for brain-dead fanboys)
2) Then, Community=Beta=Buggy version available on BT/FTP
3) Then, Official=Stable version available in stores
4) Then, Download Edition = Castrated Edition on BT/FTP (but will you really want that ?)
Moreover, don't forget that *even* if you buy it, you don't get access to the upgrades. For this, you *have* to join the "club". Now this is getting more and more difficult to work around. I mean, as Mandrake adds more and more layers between the user and plain old UNIX, it's being more and more difficult to upgrade important pieces of software for a Mandrake system. If you want to update your kernel or your qt+kde system or (when the licences issues will be over...) your X server, unless you're very skilled, you'll have more and more problems to do it directly from the plain sources. Joining the club tends to be necessary. So here's an algorithm to help you choose your distro
War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
Hmm. Have you ruled out the following?:
1) Corrupted download--do the md5sum's match up?
2) CD burn errors/defective CD media
I once had a CD for Mandrake Move that didn't want to load up. It would always hang in the same place. I burned another CD and viola! No problems.
Before you go blaming them for having "such a lousy installer", perhaps you might do some basic troubleshooting. Who knows? The problem could really be "lousy CD media", or a "lousy corrupted ISO", or a "lousy CD burner", or "lousy burning software". In my case, I was using Easy CD Creator 5.something and have had TONS of problems with bad burns on various brands of CD's and files that checked out okay. But who knows. Maybe the burner is broken. *SHRUG*
Maybe I'm incorrect in assuming that you haven't isolated the problem as definitely being a software bug, but you didn't mention doing any troubleshooting. Am I wrong? I hope so.
This isn't the sig you're looking for...
How well does Linux 2.6.3, which distro builds on, support Serial ATA drives?
I'm using a Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus @ 160 GB. The mainboard is a Abit IS7 and I *think* the SATA controller is from SiliconImage.
When I recently tried out Knoppix, the entire OS (or at least the GUI) froze whenever I tried to access the auto-detected hard drive. However, it's based on 2.4.x and I have a feeling it was due to my SATA drive and lack of controller support.
I'm relatively new to Linux after a longish break, but was thinking about picking up on it again. But I don't really want to start by messing around with SATA drivers, as it seems to be both a rather complex task for a newbie and a risky task too, as I'm dealing with low-level stuff that I fear could corrupt data if done wrong.
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