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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Ready For Download

joestar writes "The new Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community has just showed up on Mandrake's FTP mirrors and through Bittorrent. MandrakeClub Members benefit from extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO for Corporate Memberships! Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days." Update: 03/11 06:23 GMT by T : Cheap ISOs are also available from merchants like OSDisc.com and CheapBytes.

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  1. But what about longhorn by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is good and all, but when's longhorn comming out? And more importantly, who's going to have the torrent for it?

    1. Re:But what about longhorn by ekstasy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Personally, I'm a fan of SCO... but maybe thats just me.

    2. Re:But what about longhorn by jdray · · Score: 3, Funny
      ... but maybe thats just me

      It is.

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  2. To quote LL Cool J by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.

    1. Re:To quote LL Cool J by Brento · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.

      Well, and as long as you're quoting that particular song, you should quote the line that applies to the many fun times I had trying to get Mandrake to properly recognize my Thinkpad's wireless network card and video adapter:

      Makin the tears rain down like a monsoon

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    2. Re:To quote LL Cool J by benploni · · Score: 2

      And now that Mandrake correctly detects my sound card on install, we can just continue right onto the next line:
      Listen to the bass go BOOM!

      /me is not ashamed of having accidentally memorized LL Cool J songs :-)

    3. Re:To quote LL Cool J by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      Dude, listen to the song. It's just a funny quote.

  3. Thank you by Professor+Cool+Linux · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Torrent is SOOO much faster
    THANKYOU /.

    kids, this is a Great example of the good side of the /. effect

    1. Re:Thank you by Gherald · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I figured it would be funny because Linux distros make constant releases while microsoft delays and delays and delays.

      And when MS does finally release people complain about forced upgrades.

    2. Re:Thank you by Squinky86 · · Score: 1

      ugh, my download rate fell to ~0.52 kB/s, which is down from the 200 kB/s it was....great. Yes, thank you /., I thought more leechers meant I'd go faster. Oh well, when it finishes a few days from now, I'll be sure to turn the upload rate up and leave it going.

    3. Re:Thank you by nolife · · Score: 5, Funny

      My download only has 287 hours to go.. I'm going to start my Gentoo install and see which one finishes first.

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  4. KDE 3.2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has KDE 3.2, which is worth an upgrade all in itself! KDE 3.2 is a worth while upgrade, for any distro, not just Mandrake. I have it on Gentoo, and it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.

    1. Re:KDE 3.2! by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it has a patched 3.2 kde with the kmail fixes kde mentioned a few days after the release. kde 3.2.1 has TONS of fixes

    2. Re:KDE 3.2! by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Insightful
      it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.

      Can you elaborate on this, please ? In what way does it beat XP ? speed , responsive ness , look and feel , usability ?

      I use KDE too, but I don't use XP, So I can't compare, but I would sure like to know more, than a mere blanket statement like , "KDE kicks crap out of so&so"

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    3. Re:KDE 3.2! by shystershep · · Score: 1

      Having used both, I'd say the answer to you're question is "yes."


      (i.e., all of the above)

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    4. Re:KDE 3.2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speed, KDE 3.2 is a lot faster in this release. Windows XP is not as fast. Responsiveness too, look and feel is KDEs biggest strength, with over 11 different styles to choose from. unlike the kludge of Windows XP theming, which dosen't work a lot of the time. Certainly usabillity. Windows XP has made a lot of mistakes, I prefer KDE because it is better than 98/2000 but without errors of XP. KDE's best kept secret of course is the Control Center, you can make KDE do almost anything with it.

    5. Re:KDE 3.2! by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would sure like to know more, than a mere blanket statement like , "KDE kicks crap out of so&so"

      I think he means that KDE is a bully, always beating up other OSes. It's rude, unfriendly, and difficult to control.

      Aparently, KDE's parents didn't give it enough attention when it was young.

    6. Re:KDE 3.2! by trtmrt · · Score: 1

      KDE 3.2 had some pretty annoying bugs. It's good that they released 3.2.1 so soon - for me it fixed all the problems I was having with 3.2.1 (kmail erratically movin around messages, kget was basically unusable since it crashed so often...) I might be imagining but I got the impression that konqueror starts up a bit faster in 3.2.1. I also just figured out today that the default server response timeout on KDE is large and was slowing down konqueror. Once I made it smaller konqueror was noticeably faster.

    7. Re:KDE 3.2! by leviramsey · · Score: 4, Informative

      It does... Even though it's tagged as "3.2.0" it's really 3.2.1 (all the fixes from CVS have been integrated).

    8. Re:KDE 3.2! by joestar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, Mandrakelinux 10.0 provides KDE 3.2 plus many patches that make it a KDE 3.2.1. Just for your information.

    9. Re:KDE 3.2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

      I found two ways that the new Mandrake really kicks the crap out of XP.

      First: It's only the 2nd distro I've tried (out of maybe 20 MDK/SuSE/RH versions) in the past 2-3 years that has automagically detected my sound card. It's a terribly exotic 'Soundblaster Live! 5.1' card. How do I know it detected it? Why, that SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE that won't stop coming out of my speakers. Kudos to the Mandrake team for being one of the only distros to find my soundcard without lots of modprobe and other very intuitive methods of detecting it.

      It also found the Samba printer shared off of my Wife's machine. I know this because it told me. None of the multiple test pages showed up, but hey, why would Mandrake lie about something like that?

      I don't know why I bothered. I'll probably download 10.1 when it comes out, have a bunch of problems, and give up again. Oh, at least this time GRUB doesn't disable my (standard, not USB) keyboard so I can't pick which OS to boot into 9/10 times. BONUS!

      It's all 100% true, though I'm sure I'll get

      1. modded down because I didn't say Linux is fantastic
      2. lambasted for only spending several hours trying to configure each distro before giving up in frustration (things generally worked better 2 years ago!)
      3. accused of using bizarre, grey market, very old or very new hardware (none of that is true)
      4. accused of not actually trying this because the public release wasn't until today and nobody checked alt.binaries.cd.image.linux

    10. Re:KDE 3.2! by wafflemonger · · Score: 1

      It jumps across over to the other partition and beats it senseless with any loose cables that are around inside the computer.

    11. Re:KDE 3.2! by U.I.D+754625 · · Score: 1

      +1 Humour full.

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    12. Re:KDE 3.2! by shystershep · · Score: 1

      Ahem. I, uh, that's what I meant . . . Yeah, yeah . . .


      [hangs head in shame]

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      The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
    13. Re:KDE 3.2! by naelurec · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well I'll give it a go..

      Pros for KDE -->

      - Wallet - makes storing passwords for KDE apps & websites secure and easy to manage.
      - Konquerer - has tabbed browsing and other modern browser features, IE does not have these.
      - Juk - great playlist based music player -- What does XP come with? Media Player? no thanks.
      - Windows can be "shaded", "always on top", borders removed, made to fill the entire screen, etc.. kinda nice IMHO..
      - Advanced keybindings
      - KDE-wide spell check .. very nice when typing in browser windows, etc..
      - Advanced, built in editors such as Quanta, Kate, etc..
      - Great multi-client IM (Kopete)
      - OpenPGP encryption integration -- works great with Kopete, Kontact, etc..etc..
      - Virtual desktops, fine-tuning over multi-monitor setups, etc..
      - IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)
      - Nice to look at Window decoration & widgets (plastik)
      - User-level font management control -- I don't think XP has this (only global fonts)
      - flexible sized panels (kicker/taskbar) -- make as many as you want, have them wherever you want, what size you want, etc...
      - kioslaves -- use of fish:/ is awesome -- utilize remote servers via SSH as if they were local file systems..
      - General responsiveness and speed seems better than XP -- XP seems to umm.. delay quite a bit for no apparent reason (ie 10-15 seconds or more at a time)

      Of course, these are just some of the things I like about KDE over XP .. But since you sound like a KDE user, you probably already utilize most of these features. Just be glad your using KDE :)

    14. Re:KDE 3.2! by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 1

      For instance... Q: 'Is KDE faster than Windows...' A: 'Yes' Q: ', better look/feel' A: 'Yes' etc.

    15. Re:KDE 3.2! by pingveno · · Score: 3, Informative

      - IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)

      I beg to differ. I've been having problems with my printer lately on Mandrake. Unlike in XP, where a printer icon waits in the tray, I had to go through. Cups is great - if you're on a network with print services with a Linux guru available. I'd like it if there was one program I could go to to access all the print configuration. Next version?

      Still, the print system is excellent - great output and wonderful if I need to print remotely (like from work/school). It just needs some loose ends tidied up.

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      "it's not about aptitude, it's the way you're viewed" - Galinda
    16. Re:KDE 3.2! by aldoman · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but I agree.

      Linux is GREAT for servers. It just works. However, for desktop it's a big pain in the ass.

      I always try out every new version of Fedora and Mandrake, and every time I have problems. It has got better, but generally there are so may niggles in the software I just give up and go back to WinXP.

      For example: Licensing problems. Fedora can't use mp3s and NTFS. Fine. Why can't an error message be put it to say why (esp. for mp3). When I load Rythmnbox and try to play an mp3, i get 'Cannot create MAD object'. A simple message saying that mp3 decoders are patentented and if you want it go and download it would save a lot of users a lot of time. (This is a smaller problem compared to some, as a quick use of apt-rpm will solve it)

      I'd say that Linux has a lot of potential. Linux also is making strides in stuff - but still not enough to coax users away from Windows and Mac OSX. apt-rpm is a great example of this. Back in the RedHat 6 days dependency hell was a very common issue - urpmi for mandrake and apt for redhat/fedora/debian has solved this. GNOME and KDE have matured into great desktops now.

    17. Re:KDE 3.2! by sircrown · · Score: 1

      That quote shows his obvious bias towards XP and most likely all things Microsoft.

    18. Re:KDE 3.2! by xpl_the_myst · · Score: 1
      If you don't like those error messages, why don't you just hop over to the source and see if you can help all those developers who seem to be working for you free of cost?

      I don't see the point of ranting about small features like this when the software is being written by some hobbyist. If it has the basic functionality, great! Beyond that, it's better to remember that you aren't paying for this.

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    19. Re:KDE 3.2! by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Re the NTFS thing, see Captive. Sure, it's not going to be included in any mainstream distribution soon -- but it's still a damn nifty piece of software.

    20. Re:KDE 3.2! by Dunkelzahn · · Score: 1

      Not everybody codes, and many people do go in and shell out X dollars at Fry's or CompUSA for a Linux distro. People actually do pay for Linux. I've purchased Debian, SuSE and a Walnut Creek distro pack with several distros.

      Pointing out the inherent problems in Linux is not grounds for flames, in my opinion. If you want to see Linux go beyond a hobbyist OS or a server OS, then recognition of the problems is called for as well as willingness to help rectify said problem, if you are an coder who works on such projects. Just because "it works perfect" on your machine does not mean problems do not exist for others, and it certainly does not mean that one who points out said problems is a troll.

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    21. Re:KDE 3.2! by xpl_the_myst · · Score: 1
      I understand your reasoning. But I felt that the error the original poster was pointing out was a bit too frivolous and if he felt so concerned, checking the source out is probably a good thing. Nitpicking on small details like these weren't exactly my idea of feedback - but again, this is probably one of the real reasons Linux doesnt get to the desktop.


      And don't tell me you pay for Linux. You probably know what you are paying for.

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    22. Re:KDE 3.2! by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Informative

      - Juk - great playlist based music player

      Juk is nice, but lacks an equaliser (or I just haven't found the Arts plugin box...)
      I use the similarly styled amaroK - I can see it being included in KDE in the near future.
    23. Re:KDE 3.2! by Eivind · · Score: 1
      • Speed in use. KDE seems (subjectively, I admit) to spend longer than XP in starting up, but to respond more snappily once it is up. To me that's a plus, because I don't constantly reboot my computer.
      • Flexibility. For example, the new ability to easily write your own handlers for given mime-types is a goodsend. For example, you can now, easily, say that for files of type image/jpeg right-clicking the file should give the additional menu-entry "Show exif-information". Or that right-clicking a folder (inode/directory) shall give the option "backup to backupserver". Doing such things requires nothing more than that you are able to give a shell-script command that does the wanted stuff.
      • Protocol-handlers. It's all nice and good that the file-manager can handle http:// aswell as file://, but with XP that's about where it ends. KDE 3.2 handles a lot more. cameras:// fish:// (access a host over ssh), smb:// and so on. Writing new kioslaves are a bit more tricky, but the collection is growing at a nice rate nevertheless.
      • Automation. dcop makes it possible to control the entire gui from a script, and gives flexibility to configure kde so it responds the way *you* want it to. Want IM messages from someone received in kopete to automatically ask kweather to look up, and show you, weather-info for the place where your pal lives ? No problem.
      • Freedom. Okay, so that's really mostly a feature of the license, and not a feature of the software, I happen to love it anyway. YMMV
      That's a start. By the way, I'm not saying that XP doesn't do anything well. Maybe it does. You'll have to ask someone else about that though.
    24. Re:KDE 3.2! by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      What kind of problems are you having? You should be able to do mos things in KDE Control Center (kcontrol), Peripherals. Let me know and I'll help you.

  5. Huh? by Misch · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days."

    What in sam hell is he saying? timothy, could you do your job as editor and edit some correct grammar into this fragment of a sentence?

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    --You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
    1. Re:Huh? by confuse(issue) · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Flamebait? Which part, the one where he mistakenly calls them editors? Seriously there could be at least three meanings to that sentence. If editing is really not what you guys do, at least have someone proofread over your shoulder. I know I can miss stuff like that in my own writing so I proofread.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Like this story wasnt submitted by umpteen dozen Mandrake fanatics. Timbo could have picked any one of those submissions. Was this the most coherent?

      What exactly does "extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO!" mean? I dont use mandrake, what the FUCK does that mean?

      Oh, and BTW, they refer to themselves as editors.

      And they modify text all the time, by omitting parts and adding their stupid little comments to them. They modslap opinion and users whose opions they dont like.

      None of this would matter, except that they want people to PAY for this site.

    3. Re:Huh? by Misch · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I meant. Did it mean the stock resumed trading because its value went up 10%, or did the value go up 10% because the stock resumed trading? The "announce"ment doesn't say anything about the price of the stock.

      All it says is that they're paying off soem debt, and are issuing more shares of stock.

      Also, the "nice increase of +10.00% in three days" sentence fragment is confusing. A "." in european terms is similar in meaning to a comma in western terms. Is this just 10%, or is it 1000% with a misplaced format separator?

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    4. Re:Huh? by joestar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In order to understand the meaning, I think the best is to click on the Euronext link provided in the story. It provides the price, the increase, the volume and many other informations about Mandrakesoft's stock...

    5. Re:Huh? by dredgemortle · · Score: 1

      Actually it's sam hill. It's like using fudge instead of... As in: fudge, I'm an idiot.

  6. Trouble with traditional distros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mdk 10 is here but will miss these:

    kernel 2.6.4 out soon (not as big a deal)
    Gnome 2.6 out soon
    OpenOffice 1.1.1 out soon
    KDE 3.2.1 out now
    Gimp 2.0 out soon

    etc, etc, etc.

    It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!

    1. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This could go on forever though. Including gimp and openoffice makes it even worse. Companies that put these out don't just wake up one morning and decide to compile and release their projects. It takes companies like mandrake a lot of time to put these together and test them. To make a negative about this release that it won't have bleeding edge releases of other software is kind of petty. Besides, most of their users won't care and the ones that do will update their software once the new 3rd party apps come out.

    2. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by straponego · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, they should hold off on releasing the distribution until the final releases of all the packages are out!

    3. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but just remember that it already has made several radical upgrades, such as KDE 3.2, Kernel 2.6, Glibc with NPTL, Community Release process. Its far too much to do that all in one go.

      If you would like all that stuff, then there are other distros coming out soon, such as Fedora core 2, SuSE 9.1, Slackware 10, and don't forget constantly updated distros such as Gentoo.

      The Open Source Community is always rapidly changing, if Mandrake had waited for those packages to be released, then some other software would be around the corner and you would complain about that instead.

    4. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!
      Bleeding edge code -- especially in large distros -- can be buggy because companies like Mandrake have to modify code to fit everything together. Many people like the stability assosciated with a distro, and those that don't can always compile everything themselves from scratch.
    5. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by leviramsey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kernel 2.6.3 (unless you use kernel-linus) in Mandrake includes many of the patches that will be in 2.6.4 (if you use Thomas Backlund's kernels, you'll get even more of those, along with pre-emption).

      KDE "3.2.0" in Mandrake has the 3.2.1 fixes included, despite being tagged as 3.2.0.

      Gimp 2.0 (or something similar) is in contribs and has been for a long time.

    6. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by AnalogDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah, don't gripe about what's not in a Mandrake distro. It just means that you're not familiar with urpmi, and how Mandrake has fresh rpms all the time for us. Mandrake rocks. Microsoft sucks, and Longhorn is just vaporware.

    7. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, crap. This is probably a gentoo troll because he mentions "traditional distros". Well, I have gentoo and right now everything is pretty updated because I just installed 2004.0 from the binary sources. But am I going to reinstall everything to keep up to date?

      No. I will update software only when it adds functionality or removes vulnerabilities. What is the difference between KDE 3.2.1 and 3.2.0? Not enough to effect me, I guess. But if you are updating from KDE 2.2, then you are making a large jump up. (Trust me!)

      Anyway, you can always update with regular distros. And without compiling, mind you. But don't bother chasing version numbers. Just use programs that fit your needs. I mean, installing kernel 2.6.3, for example, killed my Cisco VPN client.

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    8. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by justsomebody · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can'tsay about OpenOffice, but for sure I can for Gimp.

      I don't know anyone that still uses Gimp 1.2, and Gimp2 is probably one of the most tested pieces of software out there.

      I use it flawlesly now for almost half year. Ok, there were flaws but all I could find it is already patched now.

      Companies mostly don't test software, at least in OSS comunity. And there is a fact that Mandrake always used experimental kernel patches. So I can't see Mandrake as company as you mentioned

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    9. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd agree with you about mandrake if this was their final and official release of version 10.0. However, this is a "community" release which sounds to me a like a nice way of saying beta.

    10. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by mojo17 · · Score: 1

      This is exactly the reason God blessed us with urpmi. As for the bandwidth-challenged: I feel your pain!!
      Seriuosly though, I have already upgraded my Mandrake 9.2 to kernel 2.6 and KDE 3.2, which is breath-taking by the way, using the Cooker. I'll still download this for one simple reason: Like many folks here, I cannot sleep well knowing that some piece of software I use isn't upgraded to the latest version.

    11. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      Mdk 10 is here but will miss these:
      [snip]
      It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!

      This machine is running Mandrake 9.1 and will for a while, probably until MDK 10.1 is available. My home box runs 9.2 upgraded from 8.2. They run reliably and do exactly what I want.

      Besides, the servers were already hammered before getting slashdotted. By the time one can get easy access, 10.1 will be out, and I can always install Gimp 2.0 by itself.
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    12. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by RedBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (Reiterating parent and replying to grandparent)

      Indeed, Mandrake patches almost everything up the yin-yang so that what you get when they make a release really is about the latest-and-greatest you could have gotten. Granted, GNOME 2.6 looks pretty awesome, to the point where this KDE-only user wants to try it out for a while to see whether it still makes me feel like I'm trapped in a box. (Anybody else feel that way about GNOME? It's the best analogy I can come up with for why I always reverted back to KDE. Nothing personal, just my perception of my past experiences with it.)

      But the main thing I would like to point out and have everyone else re-point-out, is that the Official release doesn't actually come out for a couple of months! At which point it will most likely contain KDE 3.2.2, GNOME 2.6.1, kernel 2.6.5, GIMP 2.0.x and whatever else has come out in the meantime, plus a whole bunch of bug-fixes, etc.

      But all that aside, I betcha you can't find another distro release that includes half of what Mandrake has managed to stuff into 10.0. It's gotten a pretty good run-through by the community already through all the beta and RC releases. I'll feel perfectly confident putting this on my day-to-day machine, and I'll be renewing my Silver membership shortly to help support a decent Linux company that puts out an outstanding product.

      That's right, I'll be "putting my money where my mouth is". Anyone who wants the next release of their favorite distro to be better should do the same instead of whining that a two-week-old release of a hugely complicated product doesn't contain software that was released two days ago.

    13. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by Kenardy · · Score: 1

      Even harder to do so with code that hasn't been released yet.

    14. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by KeyserDK · · Score: 1

      gimp1_3 (2.0 beta) is in contribs on the net at least, maybe on one the cd's too.

      The contrib part of mandrake is quite huge these days.

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    15. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by SoTuA · · Score: 1
      I will update software only when it adds functionality or removes vulnerabilities.

      Ever hear of something called "bug fixes"? Bug as in "glitch in the coding that won't compromise my box but will be annoying"?

      What is the difference between KDE 3.2.1 and 3.2.0?

      Not much, but that's just you ;)

    16. Re:Trouble with traditional distros by ReinoutS · · Score: 1
      But the main thing I would like to point out and have everyone else re-point-out, is that the Official release doesn't actually come out for a couple of months! At which point it will most likely contain KDE 3.2.2, GNOME 2.6.1, kernel 2.6.5, GIMP 2.0.x and whatever else has come out in the meantime, plus a whole bunch of bug-fixes, etc.

      No, it won't. The 10.0 Offical branch will not be introducing new versions of packages, just polish and (security) bugfixes. What you're describing will be in 10.1 Community.

  7. What's the legal status of the DVD? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is posting a .torrent of it, by someone who got it legal?
    I mean, great most of Linux is GNU but doesn't Mandrake include some proprietary pieces that would make distributing it to us random hackers illegal, or is the restriction just caused by bandwidth considerations?

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    1. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by benna · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If its GPL'd then its legal to make a torrent.

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    2. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by ttldkns · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mandrake makes a point of it being a totally GPL distro.

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    3. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Mandrake makes a point of it being a totally GPL distro.

      They don't included SSL support, Apache and OpenSSH?

    4. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by joestar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mandrakelinux is totally Open Source / Free Software, but of course all components aren't covered by the GPL! (all Mandrakesoft's own code do though).

    5. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by Vo0k · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes, that's the question. Is it GPL'd enough?

      http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/23 60 6.html

      Now, can a user redistribute a full ISO of the SuSE Distro?? Well, a distribution is something different. Is a compilation of packages that are totally open source and under GPL, but the distro itself does not have to be. Each distro manufaturer has developed unique ways for installation, package management, maintenance, etc (just some examples) that do not HAVE to be under the GPL or Open Source, BUT, most if not all, make them open as to continue with the Linux "spirit". But it is their choice and is not mandatory. One can take programs out of the distro and redistribute them and be ok. BUT, to fully redistribute the complete Distro (be it SuSE, Red Hat, Debian, Slack, etc etc) one has to read the actual license of each Distro, for each of them is different. That is the license for the distribution itself and not for the software that is compiled in it! ( I think most if not all distro companies have the full license posted on their site somewhere.)
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    6. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by dchamp · · Score: 1

      Mandrake tries to keep the content of it's "download edition" to be all Open Source licensed software. If you want decss, or even pine, you have to get it from another source... like by adding a plf urpmi source.

    7. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by ishark · · Score: 1

      You can easily build yourself a bootable DVD from the CDs. Here is what I did:

      - Grab all the CDs and mount them with the loopback device to access the files inside
      - copy all the files from all CDs in some directory
      - with "less", open the first CD iso image, kill the line-counting with Ctrl-C and scroll down, you'll find a nice mkisofs command line containing all the parameters to correctly generate a bootable image.
      - run mkisofs and build yourself a 3Gb iso, burn it to DVD.
      - boot it, go for upgrade, wait (on my machine) 1 hour and it's done....

      Hoe this helps

    8. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by Jackdaw+Rookery · · Score: 1

      Well OK sparky, you sure made that sound easy.

      Care to place your DVD image online as a bittorrent for the rest of humanity that can't/won't make a bootable DVD?

      For free karma and cookies? Hell, I'd throw in a free hamster.

    9. Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? by Spokehedz · · Score: 1

      What would be brilliant would be if you would post this with the equivalent Windows commands for those who have been waiting for the release of 10 for all the fixes it contains for our hardware...

      My guess would be that you use something like WinISO to get inside the images, copy the stuff over to a directory, and then copy the boot sector using WinISO and make a new iso with all the new stuff.

      And just to clarify, I'm guessing here. I really don't have a clue as to how you would do this.

  8. An increase of +10.00%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I definitely prefer that to an increase of -10.00%!

    1. Re:An increase of +10.00%? by mrdogi · · Score: 1

      No, that would be SCO

  9. Err... by mhlandrydotnet · · Score: 4, Funny
    Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days.

    I presume this means something along the lines of: more good news for the Mandrake community is that this new release has caused Mandrakesoft's stock to resume trading and is up 10% in three days.

    Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?

    1. Re:Err... by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?


      How about readable? :P

    2. Re:Err... by joestar · · Score: 1

      sorry it's my fault : I should have written "...an announce from Mandrakesoft that the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of 10.00% in three days.", or something like that...

    3. Re:Err... by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?


      You're soooo new here, aren't you?
    4. Re:Err... by Pranjal · · Score: 1

      err.... I think he meant edible

    5. Re:Err... by mhlandrydotnet · · Score: 1
      joestar,

      I wasn't meaning to pick on you! We all make mistakes. I've done it twice in _this_ thread already! The editors though... why do we call them editors?

    6. Re:Err... by moranar · · Score: 1

      readible (adj.): from read + edible. Used by hungry readers to describe printed commestibles.

      "This ham newspaper is so edible!

      --
      "I think it would be a good idea!"
      Gandhi, about Internet Security
    7. Re:Err... by moranar · · Score: 1

      Slowly pulling foot out of mouth "This ham newspaper is so readible!"

      --
      "I think it would be a good idea!"
      Gandhi, about Internet Security
  10. Re:Does it have Kernel 2.6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From their features page:

    System overview

    Mandrakelinux 10.0 features the following software:

    Kernel 2.6.3
    XFree86 4.3
    Glibc 2.3.3 with Native POSIX Threads Library (NPTL) support
    GCC 3.3.2
    Apache 2.0.48, Samba 3.0.2, MySQL 4.0.18
    ProFTPD 1.2.9, Postfix 2.0.18, OpenSSH 3.6.1p2
    KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, IceWM 1.2.13
    OpenOffice.org 1.1, KOffice 1.3, Gnumeric 1.2.6
    Mozilla 1.6, The GIMP 1.2.5, XMMS 1.2.9

  11. Thank you by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    Thank you buddy, I figured it would be funny because Linux distros make constant releases while microsoft delays and delays and delays.

  12. Great by iantri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm glad Mandrake switched their release system to this -- a general, maybe a bit buggy, Community release, and then an official release a few months later with the bugs worked out.

    What Mandrake does is great; they produce a very nice desktop distribution, but it's no secret that their product tends to be incredibly buggy out of the box.

    Let's hope this helps them improve the quality of their releases!

    1. Re:Great by DrDoombender · · Score: 1

      and buggy it is. I upgraded from 9.2 to 10.0 and I have to say that while 10.0 is more visually stunning than 9.2, it has some annoying bugs. One is the mouse bug. The mouse bug basically occurs in the install, where it fails to detect your mouse. If you configure your mouse yourself, then the configuration tool won't work. While not a major bug (if you know to use draktools), its very annoying for those who are noobs to linux. Do I dislike mandrake? no. Even with bugs mandrake is great for those who want to know more about linux. However, the bugs are a major deterrent for people such as myself who would like to trust mandrake linux.

    2. Re:Great by chronicon · · Score: 1
      No distro war here, I just have to have my say on this topic just once since it comes up all the time...

      Oh please! Every time a Mandrake distro is released they get ripped for being less then perfect, a newbie distro, unstable (granted, your post does not suggest "newbie distro"). But they have come a very long way in a very short time. urpmi, etc. has to be one of the best RPM package management systems around. I daresay it's even friendlier then apt-get (which I also love) by letting you easily create your own repositories. This works great for updating systems that do not have access to broadband. Mirror the updates to CD-RW, take it on-site:

      urpmi.update
      urpmi --auto-select

      ...and you are done!

      The hardware detection is very well done. Mandrake 10 is the first (AFAIK) distro with kernel 2.4.x and Samba 3.x standard out of the box. Mandrake distros always include a much wider selection of packages then some other famous RPM based systems. You can tailor it for what you want. Call it bloat, I don't care, if you don't want to install everything you have the power...

      And what is with folks always complaining that it is less stable then RH? I read it but where is that coming from? Is it fact or just a mantra that has developed because someone said it back in 7.x days and it stuck? Has anyone tried RH/Fedora lately? (Back up... I'm not bashing Fedora. I run it as well, but out of the box Mandrake 10 has performed much better for me then my initial forays into Fedora went...)

      The Mandrake community, developers, and maintainers are responsive and helpful. The company has had a rough go for a while but they have a good thing going now and I hope they continue.

      I have three Mandrake servers that run constantly and flawlessly. Their uptimes would be forever if I didn't need to take them down for kernel upgrades once in a while.

      I test and use multiple distros constantly. Mandrake is a quality set-up and their new community model is a great idea to get wider QA prior to official release. At least they didn't pull a RH on us.

      FWIW, Knoppix is my (current) favorite distro and desktop--but Mandrake is my server distro. *shock* ("He must be some kind of freakin' idiot! Gentoo! Gentoo!")

      Well, don't take it to heart there Anonymous C., I like Mandrake but I know perfectly well that a single distro is never going to be all things to all people...

    3. Re:Great by arose · · Score: 1

      USB mouse?

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  13. Happy packets eating everyone! by ongeboren · · Score: 2, Funny

    apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

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    1. Re:Happy packets eating everyone! by moranar · · Score: 1

      Just to fan the war:

      urpmi --auto-select

      Does that.

      --
      "I think it would be a good idea!"
      Gandhi, about Internet Security
  14. Mandrake XP? by An-Unnecessarily-Lon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am waiting on a non-numberd version. I almos bit with OS-X. But at the last second I realized it was a roman # 10. Close.

    1. Re:Mandrake XP? by An-Unnecessarily-Lon · · Score: 1

      Not to say OS-X is compatible. But just to say.. ahh the hell with it.

  15. Mandrake's been great but... by Wokan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been a big fan of Mandrake since 5.3. I stuck with them through a few x.0 fiascos and rarely been affected by whatever mistakes people have discovered. That being said, what Mandrake's done with 10.0 and the idea of the community release is to shorten the beta and RC cycle down, releasing a distro that's "mostly ready" so the final bugs can be worked out before the "official" version. I translate that to the community release being just another release candidate and have no plans to install it on my regular use home system (as opposed to the beta testing system I normally leave on Cooker) until they get the rest of the kinks worked out.

    In the meantime, that former Cooker system is compiling the kernel for a LiveCD / i686 Stage 3 Gentoo 2004.0 install. I look forward to seeing just how different these 2 distros are to use on a daily basis. (Save any stage 1 for real performance comments. I did that back when 1.4 was released and didn't want to sit around so long again.)

    1. Re:Mandrake's been great but... by mandolin · · Score: 1
      In the meantime, that former Cooker system is compiling the kernel for a LiveCD / i686 Stage 3 Gentoo 2004.0 install. I look forward to seeing just how different these 2 distros are to use on a daily basis.

      Actually I would say you're *already* seeing just how different those 2 distros are to use on a daily basis. :)

      (disclaimer -- I honestly don't know squat about gentoo)

  16. 2.6.3 by moberry · · Score: 3, Informative
    Mandrakelinux 10.0 is based on Linux kernel 2.6.3

    Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult. I could be mistaken though. Debian has had sid packages for 2.6 for a while.

    1. Re:2.6.3 by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult.

      FC2 uses 2.6

    2. Re:2.6.3 by mkro · · Score: 1

      Fedora Core 2 test1. And don't tell me it doesn't count because it is a "test release", 'cause so is Mandrake 10, even though they call it "Community" instead of "rc" :)

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    3. Re:2.6.3 by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Debian is inlikely to have 2.6 by default for quite some time. Have they switched to 2.4 yet?

    4. Re:2.6.3 by AnalogDog · · Score: 1

      Mandrake has had 2.6 available in cooker for about a month.

    5. Re:2.6.3 by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      Gentoo 2004.0 amd64 is 2.6.x-only (read 2.4 unsupported). How's that for a default?

      that being said, 2.6.x+kde3.2 mdk sounds nice. Worth a spin, anyway.

    6. Re:2.6.3 by TravisWatkins · · Score: 1

      Um, IIRC the Debian team decided 2.2 was stabler than 2.4 so they never switched to it. However, they are supposed to have 2.6 in stable by this summer.

      --

      "But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here."
    7. Re:2.6.3 by prockcore · · Score: 1

      and fedora core 2 test 1 has been out for about a month.

    8. Re:2.6.3 by Mr.+Hankey · · Score: 1

      Sure, and the Mandrake 10.0 beta 1 was out January 22nd with a 2.6.1 kernel. The 10.0 RC1 was further available on Feb. 17th with a 2.6.2rc3 kernel. Bit of a silly argument though.

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      GPL: Free as in will
  17. mmm...Money by doublebackslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I use Fedora, and previously RedHat, I do love to see someone mking money (or at least loosing less) on a Linux Marketshare.
    The more money linux makes, the more money will get poured into it. So long as Linus doesn't sell out this is a good thing, and I like it.

    Maybey its time to give Mandrake a try, hows the support (ie, is there an up2date style thing thats free like in fedora?)?

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    d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /boot/vmlinuz
    1. Re:mmm...Money by LilMikey · · Score: 1

      urpmi and apt.

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    2. Re:mmm...Money by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      My sig was a bit to large, I'll grant you the full source, compile and run at your leasure:

      #include
      int main()
      {
      int a=0x1ade0,b=92,c=0x1e40a8,d=0x90bdd,e=116,f=72,i;
      for(i=0;i putchar(i>((c>>i*4)&15)&31)-13):(f+=(b>>((d>>(i-6) *3)&7)&7)-2));
      return 0;
      }

      See, simple. Just have to put in a main, #include, some commas, and a for loop =D.
      (YEAH, I know...I spent a lot of time on it, and had to sccrifice formating to get it out)

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      md5sum /boot/vmlinuz
      d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /boot/vmlinuz
    3. Re:mmm...Money by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      command is urpmi --autoselect --no-verify-rpm --auto

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    4. Re:mmm...Money by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      correction: make that "--auto-select"

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    5. Re:mmm...Money by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      That's usually

      urpmi --auto-select --auto

      And after a visit to Easy Urpmi, preferably.

    6. Re:mmm...Money by kfg · · Score: 1

      Well, to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here, pouring money into it to what purpose? What value do you see in said monetary cataract?

      I suppose a deluge of money could pay for a deluge of code, but a small handful of the right code is of far more value than everybody and his dog trying to find a profitable niche in the commercial Linux market. For the most part, for a coporation, producing a handful of good code is antithetical to their profit motives.

      Better hardware support from vendors would be nice, but that's more a function of user base and looking to maximize hardware profits than pouring money into Linux.

      Just get enough people using Linux and Linux can pretty much take care of itself without massive infusions of liquid capital, pouring or otherwise. World Domination is just a side effect.

      KFG

    7. Re:mmm...Money by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      --no-verify-rpm prevents those useless and annoying signature error warnings, so you don't have to keep hitting "y" to accept.

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    8. Re:mmm...Money by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      There aren't all that many unsigned packages in contribs (assuming you imported the relevant sigs) - and it's usually nice to know whether a sig check failed or not (it'd better not fail for the server stuff). Also, the plf sig gets imported by default, so that's one less.

    9. Re:mmm...Money by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

      I have run Mandrake for years. There is an GUI update tool that is point and click.

      On the KDE menu:
      System | Configuration | Packaging | Mandrake Update

      Very easy!

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  18. ATI Radeon problem? by Troed · · Score: 1

    My girlfriend (spare me the usual comments thankyou) just installed this before this even made the news - pure luck I guess. Anyway, she started the Chromi-something shooter game and it's dead slow - have to kill -9 just to get rid of it.

    System is a Duron 900, 512Mb RAM and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.

    Anyone?

    1. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by Hayzeus · · Score: 1

      Exact same problem, totally different system, totally different distro (Knoppix 3.3).

    2. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      The 3d Accel is prob off. Not sure where to fix, not near MY computer right now...Somewhere in the graphical settings.

      Try Google-ing, and also lok at the documentation for the driver (if any) thats where I found out how to get things going on my NVIDIA, had to pass an option directly to the driver, pretty simple, hard to find the option, though.

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      d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /boot/vmlinuz
    3. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by SpacePunk · · Score: 4, Informative

      chromi is dead slow unless you install the x drivers for the card that use hardware acceleration. it was dead slow on my nvidia cards till I did this.

    4. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      OpenGL drivers loaded? Try running glxgears, check the framerate you're getting there. Just an FYI, ATI's OGL drivers are kinda crappy, I get > 2200FPS with my old nVIDIA GeForce3 200 Ti. Also, for the price you probably paid for a 9600 Pro, you should consider spending an extra $100US and getting a better processor than a 900Mhz Duron, hell, XP 2000+s are around $100US now.

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    5. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by shystershep · · Score: 1

      Just a thought -- I know that there has been some trouble with ATI drivers in the past. Being a download version, it wouldn't have proprietary drivers (or the one's that were just release), so it is likely that X is not running 3d accelerated. (The betas and release candidate didn't support 3d acceleration, but I figured it'd be fixed by this release.)

      Not sure about a fix, but it's at least something you can check.

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      The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
    6. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by directrealist · · Score: 1

      update the drivers? i have a nforce 2 mobo an i needed to update the nforce drivers then install the ati drivers. this was for their latests (9.2?) distro. this was about 2 weeks ago. sounds like no 3d support (i dont have the game so...) hope this helps.

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      this is not a Sig.
    7. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      (OT, but fuck it)

      i got a new graphics card recently (nvidia gforce 5200) - here's my framerates

      5503 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1100.600 FPS
      6459 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1291.800 FPS
      6247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1249.400 FPS
      6345 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1269.000 FPS

      1291.600 FPS, compared to the 0.3 FPS i estimate that i used to get with my voodoo on tux racer.

    8. Re:ATI Radeon problem? by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Blame ATI for not giving OSS developers enough information to write proper drivers for the video card. If you had any radeon before the 9500, you'd have great support from the Free drivers (which is more than can be said about nVidia; you're not going to see any support through Free drivers).

      Go to here to pick up the (binary-only) drivers for your Radeon.

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  19. Speedtouch modems by norite · · Score: 1

    Looks pretty good. But are speedtouch modems supported automagically? I know several people that want to switch to Linux, but this is holding them back.

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    1. Re:Speedtouch modems by bakes · · Score: 1

      The Speedtouch modems are supposedly pretty common in Europe; Mandrake has included support for them since at least 8.2 (that I know of), possibly earlier.

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  20. I hate replying when my post is a gp but.. by mhlandrydotnet · · Score: 1

    That's exactly what I mean. The odds are that anybodies submission (in this case my own post) will have grammatical errors. And in the case of front page stuff, don't paying customers get to look over the content first and raise flags if there are problems?

    1. Re:I hate replying when my post is a gp but.. by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      Subscribers get the opportunity to spot warts, but sending an email to editors@slashdot is too time-consuming... 'twould be much better if there was a link in stories From the Mysterious Future to a form where "editorial comments" (additional links of interest, spelling/grammar nits, etc.) could be posted and visible by all editors (and only editors).

      I get the distinct impression that large amounts of mail to editors@slashdot gets /dev/null'd immediately.

  21. Re:SuSE Linux by general_boy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The recently used programs links, if you're talking about the K menu, are disabled by default in Mandrake. To enable them:

    - Right click on the Panel (bar across the bottom), select "Configure Panel"
    - On the window that pops up, click the Menus tab
    - Towards the bottom of the pane, see "QuickStart Menu Items" for your options.
    - Click OK/Apply.

  22. Re:SuSE Linux by stevezero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll answer a lot of these...

    > SuSE Linux installs more easily,

    That's in the eye of the beholder, but I'm happy with the Mandrake 10.0 install process. The only problem I have with it is the configuration of wireless cards in that it's fairly complicated as compared to others.

    > has a few nice mods to KDE (including recently used programs' links, ALA Windows XP style)

    IIRC, that's standard in KDE 3.2+. The Mandrake 10.0 distro that I'm running right now has the "Most Used Applications" as well as "Recently Used Programs." I don't think that's a SuSE-only mod.

    > and has YaST, a package installer GUI for rpms.

    urpmi, and the gui of it, gurpmi, as well as rpmdrake and mandrakeupdate. IMHO, it doesn't get easier than clicking on it through the mandrake control center.

    > YaST also functions to easily change configurations for NICs, displays, TV tuner cards, and more.

    I've been able to change from my display on my laptop to my tv screen flawlessly. Also, Mandrake appears to be able to handle a change of my hardware without blinking, provided that it is of course, supported. I don't think that it's a distro thing, much more than a kernel/module thing.

    Now, I'm not here to play the "My distro can beat up your distro" game, but let's not imply that SuSE can do all of these things, and Mandrake can't

  23. A nice increase of +10.00% in three days.? by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd prefer a better increase of +10.00000000000%

    1. Re:A nice increase of +10.00% in three days.? by zoloto · · Score: 1

      as opposed to + 0000000010.00000000000%

  24. From cooker by imr · · Score: 1

    The fixes are in cooker (the development version, but frozzen at this time; so, basically, a 10.0 with bugfixes being tested).

    The mail:

    Re: [Cooker] what about updates ? ...SNIP...
    On Wednesday 10 March 2004 13:16,
    > > Here we go. kde 3.2.1 is out. Lots of fixes. Packages on the way ?
    Cooker is frozen.
    so we can't upload kde3.2.1.
    But I added all critical fix into kde3.2.0 p ackage for cooker (look at all
    changelogs)

  25. Fedora by Anonymouse+Cownerd · · Score: 1

    For those not in the know, you can find more information on Fedora at their official website at Fedora.org

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  26. KDE 3.2.0 Faster...If you set it up right. by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

    Well, KDE 3.2.0 is much faster than Windows XP. It is less laggy. This might be because of the pre-emptible kernel, though. (I never used previous versions of KDE.) KDE is also more customizable in its GUI behavior and the taskbar is movable. However, it is the little things that make this release better. The helper apps work. (Such as KLaptop.) The icons are neater.

    And for a long while, XP was just cuter as an OS. Not anymore. KDE takes the crown. Little popping icons following the cursor. KDE has more options and behaviors, and also transparency on its taskbar. These are all configurable quite easily. You can't do these things with Windows XP.

    Of course, you are running linux, so when you read about Windows vulnerabilities, you go to windowsupdate.com and remember that you are running linux.

    Even after all this, you have to be careful setting it up. This is the greatest weakness with linux, in my opinion; it takes forever to set up. My system was really slow. And then I enabled DMA. Then I installed the nvidia drivers. And then I edited XF86Config-4 to make it actually use nvidia. (You have to disable "dri" under Modules.) Then you have to steal the windows fonts from your dual-boot partition and emerge the bitstream fonts. Then you have to edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file to set the default fonts so everything is just right.

    However, these configuration problems are probably gentoo-specific, though. Someone should install Mandrake 10 and see if the configuration is better. (In my experience with Mandrake 9.2, it should be. The package manager is strong, too.) But gentoo is much better because everything you install on your system is up-to-date. Simply emerge sync, and emerge -u system. Ease of use is balanced against up-to-dateness. Hmm....

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    1. Re:KDE 3.2.0 Faster...If you set it up right. by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Informative

      This might be because of the pre-emptible kernel

      I can say that on my system at least, it had some significant gains in speed from KDE 3.1.x, aside from speed gains from the new kernel. I'm using Debian and didn't bother updating the kernel to 2.6 for a while, but in the meantime did do the kde 3.2 and experienced a pretty good speed increase. Though there was even more when I finally did update the kernel - in fact I did it after playing with a test release of Mandrake 10. 3.2 plus 2.6 had such a great effect together I had to have it on my main system.

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  27. As a reminder by dacarr · · Score: 3, Informative
    Remember that the 10.0 community is subject to updates. Go down past the FTP mirror list and read the blurb just above the straight directory trees. So what you see here is not necessarily what ou are going to get when 10.0 public comes out.

    In short, this is a final beta.

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  28. Any chance of a cd-live version? by ArgumentBoy · · Score: 1

    I really don't want to install 10.0 right now, since I'm happy with my 9.1 and 9.2 systems. But I've been trying various live cds (Knoppix for linux, and 3 or 4 FreeBSD or NetBSDs) on a PIII 650 that I need to switch over to a better OS than Win98. I'd sure like to try 10.0, but see no notice of a live version like they have for 9.2. Anyone know of any plans to release a bootable-doesn't-touch-the-hard-drive cd?

    1. Re:Any chance of a cd-live version? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, it's already out out and on the mirrors next to the Mandrake 10 ISOs. It's called MandrakeMove.

  29. Re:P2P by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mandrake have already made it available on bittorrent. I believe the original article gave the link.

  30. Re:SuSE Linux by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    Now, I'm not here to play the "My distro can beat up your distro" game
    No let's not. :) I am running Redhat 9 and have just tried SuSE on my desktop and was impressed by the hardware configuration functions compared to Redhat. Only problem I had was I could not get it to run other refresh rates than 60Hz on my monitor. Even when it claimed to do so, the info menu in my monitor still said 60, and that annoying flicker was painfull to look at.

  31. I almost wet my pants..... by 0mni · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I read this I wanted to skip the rest of class for the day so I could rush home and get Mandrake 10.0. Honestly I'm a die hard Linux supporter but out of laziness I'm still only a newbie, Mandrake is easy for me to set everything I need to, the Internet connection sharing makes my tiny home network a breeze to run and I feel much more secure with the knowledge that I am impervious to script kiddies.

    IMO Mandrake is going to become the desktop solution for windows migrators who need to have ease of use as much as anything else.

    If Mandrake 10.0 has been advanced as much as 9.2 did from 9.1 then this dist should be getting damn near perfect for what I want. Not that 9.2 is all that far from it.
    Sigh....if only I had a hill close enough by for me to shout from.

    1. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by JonTurner · · Score: 1

      >>When I read this I wanted to skip the rest of class...

      Son, I think you and I need to have a little talk about your grades tonight.
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      Seriously, though, if you're reading & posting to /. DURING CLASS you might as well not be there.

    2. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by madpuppy · · Score: 1

      I have no idea why people complain about MDK 9.2
      I have had 0 problems with it, It was the first Linux release to support my audigy platinum and my HP psc 2410 the printer/scanner/and built-in card reader all worked automagically!!
      I have had no problems with 9.2, 10.0 is a little buggy though, I would like to upgrade but I think I will wait, I will just have to play with 10.0 on my test drive.

    3. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by jtwJGuevara · · Score: 1
      IMO Mandrake is going to become the desktop solution for windows migrators who need to have ease of use as much as anything else.

      I must concur with this point. I was converted to linux simply by using Mandrake, as it was an operating system that was Linux (which at the time I was interested in, but not quite technically up to par), and wasn't difficult to use. Mandrake was a pretty good distro as far as weening me away from the MS world slowly into linux. What I'm referring to is that Mandrake has enough GUI tools for a new user like me, but I as I became more accustomed to the system, I became more comfortable with things such as manually editing /etc/fstab, for instance.

      The downfall, which is what is constantly harped on in regards to Mandrake, is how buggy it is. I've since moved on to the Slackware distribution and am not looking back. I however do owe it to Mandrake to getting me in the linux world and I hope their product does nothing than continue so that other users do the same.

    4. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by Axem · · Score: 1

      I'm sorta the same way. I've used Windows for far too long, and whenever I try to use Linux it just seems too hard to use. I've tried Redhat/Fedora and even Caldera (that was awhile ago), but they just didn't cut it for me. I could never get my DSL connection online. When I tried Mandrake, got it up in a matter of minutes. Plus I really like its feel and the fact that I can easily pull stuff from my FAT drives to use in Linux. And what perfect timing too, I recently was forced to reformat my drives, and I'll be able to install this.

      Speaking of DSL, glad I have it. 2 gig download! Eep. 51 hours to go...

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    5. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by madpuppy · · Score: 1

      I'll concede on that, 9.0 was not a very good one for Mandrake.

    6. Re:I almost wet my pants..... by arose · · Score: 1

      Seems to be somewhat hardware dependant. 9.1 gave me much more problems than 9.0 or 9.2.

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  32. No, they torrented the CD by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    He was looking for the DVD instead..

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  33. The Open Digital Divide? by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linux alone has so many distros to try on, while I welcome such variety and swift updates, I also find myself grasping for breath after a couple of such releases.

    Yes, unlike most people, I'm still on a 56K dial-up connection.

    so sometimes I find myself waiting for so-and-so releases to be available on a magazine CD before I do the 'upgrades', and we're talking about weeks if not months.

    I'm wondering if there are others who are in the similar 56K boat like myself, and feel that another group is slowly pulling away from me.

    1. Re:The Open Digital Divide? by imr · · Score: 1

      I can buy the 3 download cds for 3 euros, the update cd is at 2.6 euros, and another 3euros for the 3 source cd if i need them.
      The mail is around 1 euro, same for taxes.
      Don't you have such a service in your country? That makes it a little less expensive than the magasine but much faster. And the service I use give back to the fsf.

  34. OpenSSH 3.6.1p2 by tjw · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting that Mandrake has choosen to use such an old version. 3.8p1 was just released 2 weeks ago.

    Perhaps the September 2003 string of 3.7 exploits scared them off.

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    1. Re:OpenSSH 3.6.1p2 by mpol · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that Mandrake has choosen to use such an old version.

      Version 3.7 had a new implementation of their pam stuff. The Mandrake maintainer didn't find it wise to go with that version.
      The 3.6 version does carry the security patches though.

      3.8p1 was just released 2 weeks ago.

      Yup, that's the reason it's not included, version freeze since 10.0 rc1.

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  35. Re:MandrakeClub by iantri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What's ugly about it?

    You pay them money, they give you stuff (software, drivers) that they can't include in the download edition because it's not free.

    Unless you're RMS, what's the problem?

  36. Re:Read it by Vo0k · · Score: 1

    Just like SuSE Professional ISO distributions?

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  37. What does "Community" mean? by blixel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More importantly, what does "Community" mean in this Mandrake release? Is this a pre 10.0 release of some sort - made available to everyone for testing? Will there be a new 10.0 final after this made available only to club members for the first X number of weeks (like 9.2 was). I remember seeing that 10.0 Community as available only to club members just last week.

    1. Re:What does "Community" mean? by homer_ca · · Score: 5, Informative

      This should explain it:

      What follows is the development process for our next major release, Mandrake Linux 10.0:

      1) After the traditional debugging of several Beta and Release Candidates, the final version of "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community" will be released in February/March. This version will be available for download and as a DVD-set through e-Commerce.

      2) Then a Mandrake Linux 10.0 Stable branch will be opened, based on Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community. Security updates and bug fixes will be applied to this tree and will be publicly available in real time.

      3) Two or three months later, in April/May, "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official" will be created from the Mandrake 10.0 Stable branch. It will then be packaged for several products such as the Mandrake Linux PowerPack. Mandrake 10.0 Official ISO images will also be available for all contributors and Club Members; then, after a short delay, Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official Download Edition will be made available on public FTP mirrors.

  38. Oh darn. by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    I got impatient and installed 9.2 last night.

    1. Re:Oh darn. by silverfuck · · Score: 1

      The upgrade option in the installer (can't comment about 10.0, but previous versions...) works like a dream. Many times have I been presently suprised, and so I have even given up doing fresh installs; it even works well for cooker/partial-cooker installations...

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  39. Re:P2P by Marauder2 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Check out http://www.tuxreports.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2& file=viewtopic&t=579

    This script was able to make a DVD image from the CD images.

    It's for Red Hat, but works with Mandrake too.

  40. 10.0 by DrugCheese · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow maybe I'm just not a fan of Mandrake, the first time someone gave me a CD to help them install it I literally thought it was a prank someone was playing. I laugh at AOL commercials who have 9.0 version out with 'hundreds of new features' and just now realized how quickly linux versions jump numbers. Looked at an old Slackware disc I got from cheapbytes think it was 3.6 and now they're up to 9.0+ now, and have to ask myself have there really been that many huge changes to their distrobution to have it be a major release each time? I'm a big SuSE advocate and even with them wonder why it's 9.0 all of a sudden. Many of my machines are still running SuSE 7.2 and upgraded to that from 5.3 and 6.3.

    10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?

    I guess numbers mean squat to me anymore.

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    1. Re:10.0 by Tyir · · Score: 1

      Well, i slackware's case, if you were wondering, it jumped from 4.0 to 7.0. The reason, i believe, was so that Pat would stop being pestered by the fact that Slack was 3 linux versions behind the othe rmajor distros (RH, MDK and SUSE were around 7 at at time) I know it is silly, but hey, life is silly

    2. Re:10.0 by iantri · · Score: 1
      You're right, it is ridiculous.

      Debian is at 2.2 (IIRC), a more reasonable number, although a little on the low side.

      Slackware jumped becasue Volkerding decided that his distro couldn't compete against the others when they started artificially bumping up the numbers, so he jumped his from 4 to 7.

      Since then, distro's seem to inflate their numbers to stay ahead of the competition, I guess since people don't understand that Libranet 2.1 is not older than Mandrake 10. (Notice the number of references to "Linux 9.0" on the Internet?)

    3. Re:10.0 by emc · · Score: 1

      You're right, it is ridiculous.
      Debian is at 2.2 (IIRC), a more reasonable number, although a little on the low side.

      Slackware jumped becasue Volkerding decided that his distro couldn't compete against the others when they started artificially bumping up the numbers, so he jumped his from 4 to 7.

      Since then, distro's seem to inflate their numbers to stay ahead of the competition, I guess since people don't understand that Libranet 2.1 is not older than Mandrake 10. (Notice the number of references to "Linux 9.0" on the Internet?)

      How about NetBSD?
      Talk about low version numbers, they're at 1.6.1.
      They've gone from 0.8 in '93 to 1.6.1 in 2003.

    4. Re:10.0 by burns210 · · Score: 1

      Redhat, for instance, ups the X.0 every time it breaks compatability. So that is why they jump from 8.0-> 9.0, for example. Whatever critical package(X Server or something) that breaks compat. with the old version get a whole new X.0 version.

      "10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?"
      Yes, and debian will still be on kernel v. 2.4.x!"

      (i'm mostly kidding...)

    5. Re:10.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?

      Sure, why not. What, are you afraid we'll run out of numbers or something?

    6. Re:10.0 by DrugCheese · · Score: 1

      No I'm afraid that it'll make perfect FUD ammunition.

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    7. Re:10.0 by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Funny
      10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?


      Bah! Gentoo is already up to 2004!
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  41. I've given up on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm presently a Fedora user. I used to be a Mandrake user. I look at Mandrake as a distro that strives to be simple enough for a newbie/former-Windows user, but seems to lack good QA processes. I've followed Mandrake's releases enthusiastically for years (I think version 5(?) was the first one I tried) until I found that version 9 *still* took forever to automount data CDs. I'd put in a data CD, and Konqueror would freeze for several seconds (30+) when I would try to access it. And you know what this equates to for the average computer user? "Linux is slow," that's what. And that doesn't help anyone. Heck, I even gave Mandrake Move a try, and the problem's STILL there! Knoppix doesn't do it, so what gives?

    Don't get me wrong; my whole world doesn't revolve around automount; it's just a good example of Mandrake's operations. I'm of the mind that if you're going to put a convenience feature in the software, for God's sake make it work right, or just leave it out! Like it or not, if you're trying to get Windows users to switch, you'll need a working automount for CDs--forcing them to learn to use mount on the command-line when they shouldn't have to is not an option if you're serious about user-friendliness.

    Oh, and another thing that bugged me--they included this autorun program on the CD that would supposedly allow one to begin the Mandrake installation from Windows, but clicking the "install" button never did anything. Good way to persuade Windows users to use your product! Why even include it? Typical Mandrake. I posted this to the bug tracker (and found I wasn't the first), but even as of version 9--and I think 9.1--they still didn't fix it. So I never joined the Mandrake Club (I came close), and just stopped using Mandrake altogether, because it seemed to me they would probably never get their act together completely. Maybe now that they're trying to emulate Red Hat's business model they will be able to limp along a while longer. Right now I've got a Fedora Core 1 install that works great, and Mandrake is just something I'd rather forget.

    I'm sorry if this info is of no use to anyone; mod me down as you see fit. Who knows, maybe all the stuff I mentioned is fixed in this new Community release? Maybe, but given Mandrake's track record, I doubt it.

    1. Re:I've given up on Mandrake by Sits · · Score: 1

      You probably mean supermount as opposed to automount. You will be pleased to hear that supermount is no longer used by default and the Redhat / Fedora way of mounting is now used. A quick word of warning though - this has been quite a buggy release...

      As to the autorun thing - were you using an NT/2K/XP machine? I'm fairly sure it does what is supposed to on 9x machines where you are more at liberty to poke memory but I'm fairly sure this process failed on NT series.

    2. Re:I've given up on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're right--that should have been supermount, not automount (sorry, no crack, just a plain ol' screwup). For what it's worth, I probably should explain myself better. I've always dual-booted, dreaming of the day I could do everything under Linux that I did under Windows; until that day, I would use Linux on a more-or-less trial basis. I gave Mandrake the biggest chance I've given any distro. For years it used to be the ONLY distro I considered. I first heard about it on ZDTV (now TechTV, of course) when Leo recommended it as easy-to-use. Up until that time I had tried both Slackware and RedHat. With Mandrake, it was the ease of installation that got me at first, back when that wasn't such a common thing. I also loved all the software that came with it and how current they were (they continue that even today with their KDE 3.2 and kernel 2.6.3). However, after I decided to stop using Mandrake, I found that Fedora installed just as easily, and for me, it "just works" better than *any* Mandrake release I've tried so far, and that's more important to me than all the latest bells and whistles.

      Also, Mandrake's execution was just wrong. They liked to pump out product, but they didn't seem to pay attention to the little things that annoy users. Yes, they mastered the installation process, but there's a lot more to it than that. I got the impression that they were pushing features without any refinement, and when I gave my input, it didn't seem to matter. When they started publicizing their financial woes, I sympathized, but I could see where it was coming from, and unless they were really serious about getting their act together, I wasn't going to give them my money. Not much later, they filed for bankrupcy, and I figured that even though they were apparently busting their butts to survive, I probably needed to find another distro.

      Of course, I don't speak for everyone, I'm just one person with particular hardware and particular needs, but I'm sure anyone reading this is aware of that.

    3. Re:I've given up on Mandrake by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      automountd is a piece of crap, and no other distro than Mandrake AFAIK includes it

      Well, I have no idea what automountd is.

      All distros include automount daemons (either autofs or amd), since they are really useful.

      Now, I guess you actually mean supermount, or to be more precise, supermount-ng. And yes, many other distros now include supermount-ng.

      Redhat has developed magicdev to do something similar to what supermount-ng does, but it's actually one of the problems on Mandrake 10.0 (it's much better to remove magicdev and enable supermount). There are many scenarios supermount-ng has been adjusted for, which magicdev (being user-space) can't do.

      And, you do see a number of people from Mandrake involved in development on GNOME, freedesktop.org, gcc, glibc lists ...

      You may notice that Mandrakesoft is substantially smaller than Redhat, has less IPO money, and has to be profitable for the next few years to survive ... which does limit what they can do. But, they did employ Jeff Garzik for quite a while.

    4. Re:I've given up on Mandrake by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I gave the betas a shot (after running 9.0 and 9.1, and going back on other boxes to 7.1) on my current work box, but then I found Gentoo and I've been compiling ever since..

      I'm sorry if this info is of no use to anyone; mod me down as you see fit. Who knows, maybe all the stuff I mentioned is fixed in this new Community release? Maybe, but given Mandrake's track record, I doubt it.

      I would still recommend Mandrake over RedHat though if only because its update system is free and relatively easy to use. Does Fedora have an RPM update manager that doesn't require a RedHat service subscription?

      (and Gentoo beats 'em both IMHO, especially on nForce hardware.. Once I enabled 2.6 and nVidia GL (and disabled the older nVidia driver masks) rebuilding kernels couldn't be easier... LUXURY...)

  42. Re:SuSE Linux by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

    urpmi, and the gui of it, gurpmi, as well as rpmdrake and mandrakeupdate. IMHO, it doesn't get easier than clicking on it through the mandrake control center.

    yes, it does get easier ;-)

    put in /etc/bashrc

    function apt-me
    {
    /usr/sbin/urpmi.update -a
    /usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-select --auto

    }

    add your user to the sudoers for /usr/sbin/urpmi and /usr/sbin/urpmi.update with appropriate exec rights.

    then do sudo apt-me and dare the Debian users ;-)

  43. Re:What am I paying for? by madpuppy · · Score: 1

    ok, then download all these components seperately, compile them, program an installer, hardware configuration utility and all the other mandrake-specific software developed to make it easy for the newbie to use and administer. prepare 3 to 4 iso images with a plethora of software, and you will have a modern distro of your own, and it won't cost you a dime.

    I cannot you begrudge paying for all the work that the avarage distribution does to actually make all these peices of software work together and be easy to install and use.

    you suck!

    go steal yourself a copy of windowsxp and go away.

  44. KDE 3.2!-Spell-Rite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "- KDE-wide spell check .. very nice when typing in browser windows, etc.."

    So can we expect good spelling from Slashdotters that post with Konqueror?

    Anyway this has been true for quite some time (months).

  45. One word.. by msimm · · Score: 1

    Free upgrades. At least with Mandrake, why not release frequently? The upgrade is free and generally does include nice new features (and fancy KDE updates and such). This one inculdes the new kernel. If you like Mandrake and didn't wan't to do the full disk download I'd suggest doing an internet *upgrade* (ie point in to an active mirror and let it download only the updated files). If you'd like your system to simply do package updates try Mandrake cooker, bleeding edge with new software packages released continuously (I'm too chicken but have heard from at least one person who uses it).

    And remember, before Windows XP (is that a numeral?) Windows was at 2000! WOW! ;-)

    Anyhow, in all seriousness I think its just a Linux culture thing. Linux (and the family of accociated applications) has been under heavy development for year with exciting new changes coming out regulary. This isn't a conservative OS (yet). Look at BSD.

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  46. Re:What am I paying for? by Bull999999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't pay for those software, you pay to have someone put it together for you. Hack, if you are willing to wait, you don't even have to pay or you can go with Linux from Scratch project and put it together yourself.

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  47. Stability by solic · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You cannot delay forever software releases are hardly ever accurate, KDE 3.2 was originally on track to be released more than 3 months ago, should the distros have waited so long or was it better that they continued with their predictable release cycle? Furthermore, there are no worries, the rock solid version of 10.0 is sure to include these packages, it will probably be released in May with more packages than you have mentioned.

  48. Please explain Mandrake Club! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just signed up last week after the announcement
    of 10.0 being available to club members. So
    I signed up and they charged my credit card
    and haven't sent me my account/password. They
    are also ignoring my emails. The FAQ states
    they will send a login and password within
    an hour if order via credit card. Am I missing
    something here? Their site is horrible IMHO, to
    difficult to find anything useful.

  49. Re:What am I paying for? by kundor · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's free, you moron.

  50. Re:MandrakeClub by spitzak · · Score: 1

    Actually some of the drivers such as Nvidea the *could* include in the download without violating any license with Nvidea or anybody.

    However I can't blame them for asking for money for a more complete product.

  51. Maybe God is trying to tell you something. by gumpish · · Score: 1

    3. accused of using bizarre, grey market, very old or very new hardware (none of that is true)

    Well, if you're certain that all of the hardware you are working with is supposed to be supported, then I guess you just have bad luck. (Or maybe bad karma?)

    Sucks to be you.

  52. try almostfreelinux.com by stealth.c · · Score: 1

    Or even browse eBay. That's how I got SuSE 8.1 and 8.2 when they came out. It's how I'd get Debian or Slackware if I wanted all 7 discs. It only costs a couple bucks and you don't need to spend hours downloading. No need to feel separated from the broadband folks :)
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  53. an alternative to Torrents! by nabetse · · Score: 1

    For those people getting very low speed with torrents, you may want to visit laodux.com . They have Mandrake 10 Mirrors to download as fast as you can!

    1. Re:an alternative to Torrents! by caino59 · · Score: 1

      whats that address again?

  54. Mandrake Club by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    I like the idea, I would even be tempted to join if the fees were a little more reasonable. For example, $120 per year for Silver membership. That's more than I spend on MS OSes. I'm not going to pay through the nose for free software.

    If Mandrake Club membership cost like $20 or $30 per year I'd probably join, but F no at the current pricing structure.

    LK

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    1. Re:Mandrake Club by kognate · · Score: 1

      Reasonable for whom? You write this as though the reason for the mandrake club was to get as many people as possible to sign up. The club membership is about supporting mandrake the company and mandrake the distro. If they lowered the price too much they'd get flooded with people who are only joining to get early access. People seem to forget that a community of people who do not participate is NOT a community.

      Early access is not the only goal, since they seem to be using the club releases as advanced betas and rely upon club members to participate in the Great Bug Hunt rather than just get early access cause they're so l33t.

      Now, I don't work for Mandrake, but I think they've
      struck the right balance.

    2. Re:Mandrake Club by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Reasonable for whom?

      For me. Who else?

      You write this as though the reason for the mandrake club was to get as many people as possible to sign up. The club membership is about supporting mandrake the company and mandrake the distro.

      My main linux machine has been running linux since release 6.0, I'd say that I've supported the distro. I've even bought the boxed set.

      If they lowered the price too much they'd get flooded with people who are only joining to get early access. People seem to forget that a community of people who do not participate is NOT a community.

      The people who only want to download the distro early will continue to do so. The people who want to contribute will continue to do so. The only difference would be greater numbers of both.

      Early access is not the only goal, since they seem to be using the club releases as advanced betas and rely upon club members to participate in the Great Bug Hunt rather than just get early access cause they're so l33t.

      So, since the introduction of early download for members of the Mandrake Club I have not bought a single boxed distro and have no plans on doing so in the future. It's only lead me to download Gentoo, Slackware and Debian to try them out. So far I haven't gotten into any of them the way that I did for Mandrake. Free software should be about finding the balance between the monetary needs of the developers and the desires of the users.

      I don't care how much they need money and Beta testers, I'm not paying ANYONE $120 per year for software.

      LK

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  55. 42 by jjhlk · · Score: 1

    The question is, what version will Mandrake be at in 10 years?

  56. longhorn Torrent by Elusive_Cure · · Score: 1

    http://suprnova.festy.org/torrents/1355/Microsoft_ Windows_Longhorn_4053_crack_included_by_Torrent-Hi spania%5Bwww.torrent-hispania.cjb.net%5D.ISO.torre nt enjoy...heh ;^)

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  57. Good thing about Linux community by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

    That's what contrib is for

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  58. loadux.com by nabetse · · Score: 1

    http://www.loadux.com

    1. Re:loadux.com by xpl_the_myst · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should have mentioned the $8.99 charge!!

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    2. Re:loadux.com by caino59 · · Score: 1

      there yah go, now you qualify for the free d/l ;oP

    3. Re:loadux.com by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      WTF? Is there a fast free download for this?

  59. The Name of XP by The+Monster · · Score: 1
    Windows XP (is that a numeral?)
    We've been over this before
    XP is the first two letters of the Greek word Christos (Chi rho iota sigma tau omicon sigma)
    There are two interpretations, depending on your opinion of Windows:
    1. XP is the Savior of Windows
    2. Using it is like being brutally tortured to death by an Evil Empire that considers you a disruptive influence and threat to its power.
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    SVM, ERGO MONSTRO.

  60. Re:Torrent bah! by Yosho · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like the idea of Torrent, but it simply doesn't work.

    Yes, it does.

    The protocol is designed to make your download rate roughly proportional to your upload rate; however, when you start a file you have nothing to upload, so it lets you download for a while with no consequences. Shortly afterwards, however, it begins uploading rapidly in order to make up for that. If you were to leave it on for longer than 15 minutes, it probably would've began improving rapidly. Also, if you're behind a firewall, you should forward incoming connections on ports 6881 through 6889 to your computer.

    Also, if you have a connection where the upstream is much lower than than the downstream -- such as a typical ADSL or Cable connection -- keep in mind that if your upstream bandwidth is saturated, you won't be able to download anything with any success. If you need to restrict your upstream bandwidth, try this alternate client. I find that a cap of 10 or 15 kB/s is good on a connection with 128kbps upstream.

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  61. Re:Does it have Kernel 2.6? by StarCat76 · · Score: 1

    Uh oh, some of those packages are getting close to my Gentoo box! Time to move to ~x86, I guess.

  62. One beef with the new distros by novakane007 · · Score: 1

    I don't like the 3 CD distros now a days. Is it really necessary to include the entire opensource library of apps? The CDs should give you the base OS and the major apps. The rest can be installed over the net. An OS installation shouldn't be more than 1 CD.
    It will be nice when DVD-ROMS are as common as CD-ROMS, then this won't be a problem. Unless by then the OS is 2 or 3 DVDs. =)

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    1. Re:One beef with the new distros by iapetus · · Score: 1

      If that's the way you feel, why not just grab the net install floppy and do the whole thing that way? It's what I've done for my last couple of installations, and has worked fine.

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  63. Re:Torrent bah! by tannhaus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I beg to differ. Let bittorrent run for a while. I've had it running for a couple of hours. 791 MB downloaded and 222 MB uploaded. Of course your first 15 minutes or so you'll get horrible download speeds. It takes a while for it to build up and start giving you decent speeds.

    As of right now I'm downloading 102 k/sec. If...and I repeat *IF* you were actually able to connect to one of those slashdotted ftp mirrors, do you really think you'd get downloads of 102 k/sec?

    In my book, any file transfer technology that can give me 100k/sec under a good slashdotting is a file transfer technology that works VERY well. Especially when you take into account that webservers can't even seem to transfer static webpages under the load of a slashdotting.

  64. Worst Install Ever by invisibastard · · Score: 1

    I have installed too many distros in the time I have been using linux. Mandrake 9.1 w/ texstar's additions was one of my favorites. I was interested in trying out Mandrake's newest, and get some use out of my membership, so I downloaded the set.

    Here are some of the nice things about it:
    -I had to boot with cd 2, then put in cd 1.Cd 1 isn't bootable for me. Not a huge problem, but not good for a "newbie friendly" install.
    -It would freeze unless I wiped out my /home partition.
    -After wiping 30 gigs of media, it froze randomly during "install system". Sometimes at 13 minutes, sometimes at 9 minutes, sometimes at 20 seconds. This is with four different sets of burned discs, from two different bittorrent downloads.
    -It made me long for the ease of a gentoo install.

    I have pretty basic hardware, nothing fancy. Anything else installs easily on it.

    It is an embarassment to the linux community to have such a lousy installer unleashed on the public. I hope they publicly acknowledge the failings with this release, and get the isos fixed. It is a big disappointment. I should have known better than to try and leave wonderful Slackware.

    Anyone here having these problems? I see in different Mandrake forums that people are.

    Thanks,
    Rich

    1. Re:Worst Install Ever by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      I had to boot with cd 2, then put in cd 1.Cd 1 isn't bootable for me. Not a huge problem, but not good for a "newbie friendly" install.

      Yes, this is noted in the errata. Only some drives are affected.

      The rest of your problems seem to be very suspect ... I would think it's a hardware-specific problem .. there haven't been any other reports of this on the cooker list, or in bugzilla.

      So, your conclusions don't seem to be valid ... many other users (including some hardcore Gentoo-only users) I have supplied with CD sets have been very happy ... and reckon there isn't a distro that can currently compete with 10.0.

    2. Re:Worst Install Ever by Rabid+Cougar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm. Have you ruled out the following?:

      1) Corrupted download--do the md5sum's match up?
      2) CD burn errors/defective CD media

      I once had a CD for Mandrake Move that didn't want to load up. It would always hang in the same place. I burned another CD and viola! No problems.

      Before you go blaming them for having "such a lousy installer", perhaps you might do some basic troubleshooting. Who knows? The problem could really be "lousy CD media", or a "lousy corrupted ISO", or a "lousy CD burner", or "lousy burning software". In my case, I was using Easy CD Creator 5.something and have had TONS of problems with bad burns on various brands of CD's and files that checked out okay. But who knows. Maybe the burner is broken. *SHRUG*

      Maybe I'm incorrect in assuming that you haven't isolated the problem as definitely being a software bug, but you didn't mention doing any troubleshooting. Am I wrong? I hope so.

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    3. Re:Worst Install Ever by invisibastard · · Score: 1

      I should have been more specific in my post. The md5sums did match. There isn't a problem with my cd burner, during my second batch of burning 2 cd sets I also burned PCLinuxOS and Arch .6, both of them worked without a problem. I did troubleshoot, though, because when something goes wrong I usually assume that I have done something stupid somewhere.

      There are a lot of comments in Mandrake Club and elsewhere where people are having the same problem. Unfortunately, I am not the only one.

  65. This is where I've dropped Mandrake by glMatrixMode · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I used to be a faithful user of Mandrake, and even bought them 3 powerpacks (7.1, 9.1 and 9.2) just to support them. But I've just dropped them in favor of Slackware (which, by the way, I now consider to be a much better distro except for beginners).

    Why ?

    Because Mandrakesoft is running a more and more weird policy to force us to suscribe to their "club" - for which we'd have to pay $5 or $10 a month - and to systematically buy their product rather than downloading it.

    For example, the new "release scheme" they're running for 10.0 is just a PR-disguise of something that actually amounts to :
    1) First, Community=Beta=Buggy version available in stores (only for brain-dead fanboys)
    2) Then, Community=Beta=Buggy version available on BT/FTP
    3) Then, Official=Stable version available in stores
    4) Then, Download Edition = Castrated Edition on BT/FTP (but will you really want that ?)

    Moreover, don't forget that *even* if you buy it, you don't get access to the upgrades. For this, you *have* to join the "club". Now this is getting more and more difficult to work around. I mean, as Mandrake adds more and more layers between the user and plain old UNIX, it's being more and more difficult to upgrade important pieces of software for a Mandrake system. If you want to update your kernel or your qt+kde system or (when the licences issues will be over...) your X server, unless you're very skilled, you'll have more and more problems to do it directly from the plain sources. Joining the club tends to be necessary. So here's an algorithm to help you choose your distro :

    if (Level <= Beginner
    && OkToPayPerMonth >= 5 * __DOLLARS__
    && CareAboutIdeology == false
    && WantToReallyLearn (UNIX) == false)
    { return MANDRAKE_WITH_SUBSCRIPTION_TO_CLUB;
    }
    else
    {... //Don't want to start a religion war here.
    }
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    1. Re:This is where I've dropped Mandrake by a24061 · · Score: 1
      I started using Linux with Mandrake 8.0 and was very impressed with its correct auto-detection of hardware and automatic setup. But after a while I tried Debian out on a spare computer and was even more impressed with apt-get (especially upgrade). Getting everything working (CD-RW, fax software, X configuration) from scratch is however a lot more work on Debian, and I wouldn't have been able to do that as a newbie.

      I would still recommend Mandrake or RedHat for new Linux users, but Debian for the more experienced who are in a position to fiddle with lilo.conf, modutils, etc.

    2. Re:This is where I've dropped Mandrake by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      But after a while I tried Debian out on a spare computer and was even more impressed with apt-get (especially upgrade).

      So, you never tried urpmi I take it?

      but Debian for the more experienced who are in a position to fiddle with lilo.conf, modutils, etc.

      So, what prevents you from doing this on Mandrake?

    3. Re:This is where I've dropped Mandrake by a24061 · · Score: 1
      1. No I didn't get around to urpmi so I can't comment on it. But with Debian testing and apt-get I can upgrade forever, fairly seamlessly, without having to do a global version change.

      2. Sorry, I wasn't clear. With Mandrake you can fiddle with all those configs when you're ready, but you don't (in my experience) have to do so from the start. When I installed Debian, however, X, the CD-writer and the USB devices did not work: I had to edit XF86Config-4 manually to get the right graphics driver, configure lilo to scsi-emulate /dev/hdd and change the kernel module configuration. I wouldn't want to subject a Linux beginner to those issues!

  66. Re:Torrent bah! by aussiedood · · Score: 1

    Only 2744 hours 12 min 14 sec for my download to complete, that's if it ever gets started! If you can't start the download, you can't upload. Therefore your proportional download rate is zero. Just sayin'

  67. Email the webmaster by Sits · · Score: 1

    Have you tried contacting them? Email webmaster [at] mandrakeclub [dot] com and it's more like to be resolved. Seriously don't hang around on this (I know from experience). If you just complain on Slashdot your account may never be activated...

  68. You can do this with Fedora by Sits · · Score: 1

    Just grab CD 1 and do a minimal install. Assuming you know the nams of the packages you want, you can (after configuring it) use yum to network install the rest once your system is up.

    I'm fairly sure it is possible to do such minimal installs with Mandrake too (I've never tried) - just make sure you install only the minimum and be prepared for more hastle.

  69. Clueless by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    You clearly don't understand anything about Mandrake Linux.

    You don't need to subscribe to the Club (there are benefits though).

    You don't need to subscribe to an udpates service, all security and bugfix updates are free (ie they don't hold the security of your box to ransom).

    You don't need to pay for upgrades if you don't want to (but there are some advantages ...).

    You don't need to be "very skilled" to update anything.

    Have you heard of urpmi? Cooker? rpmdrake?

    Do you know anything about Mandrake besides what you read on /. ???

    1. Re:Clueless by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1
      You don't need to subscribe to an udpates service, all security and bugfix updates are free (ie they don't hold the security of your box to ransom).
      I've never said that. I was not talking about security updates.

      You don't need to pay for upgrades if you don't want to (but there are some advantages ...).
      oh really ? Then tell me how I get the mdk rpm's for, say, kde 3.2 or kernel 2.6 if I'm not a club member ?

      You don't need to be "very skilled" to update anything.
      Oh. Then tell me how you compile a new kernel on a system like mdk that has its own *modified* kernel. Answer : you better don't try a standard kernel. Cause it will be difficult to make it work with mdk. You have to get a mdk-modified kernel. And for that you have to be a club member.

      Have you heard of urpmi? Cooker? rpmdrake?
      urpmi doesn't magically create the rpm's for you. If you aren't a club member, you don't get the rpm's, so urpmi doesn't help. Cooker is the development version. I want a stable version. The pretendingly stable version is already buggy enough. rpmdrake is a graphical frontend for rpm management. Same remarks as for urpmi apply.

      I've been running mdk since 7.1. Thank you.
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  70. Maybe you should give up on your CDROM drive. by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    I've followed Mandrake's releases enthusiastically for years (I think version 5(?) was the first one I tried) until I found that version 9 *still* took forever to automount data CDs.

    9.0 yes. 9.1 was better, 9.2 was excellent in this regard.

    Of course, now many other distros (who you would not dare to criticise) use supermount-ng like Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 did.

    And, maybe you missed the options in the Mandrake Control Center to disable supermount (for those people whose CD-ROM drives can't distinguish between an open tray and an empty drive).

    Ahh, if you were having problems with MandrakeMove, then your CD-ROM drive *is* one of those that can't tell the difference. In Mandrake 10.0, the default has been changed. Supermount still works, but it won't try and close the tray on access (which is what was causing you problems) by default. And you should have been able to set this on 9.x anyway.

  71. Misconceptions by buchanmilne · · Score: 1
    oh really ? Then tell me how I get the mdk rpm's for, say, kde 3.2 or kernel 2.6 if I'm not a club member ?

    In the ISOs that were just released?

    On the cooker mirrors?

    On the stable mirrors that have just been updated?

    Oh. Then tell me how you compile a new kernel on a system like mdk that has its own *modified* kernel.

    # urpmi kernel-source
    # less /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.6.3/README.Mandrake
    (which will tell you to become root, change to /usr/src/linux, run 'make mrproper;make xconfig;make bzImage modules modules_install' or similar, just like on any other binary-based distro.

    Sure, if you want to compile a vanilla kernel, you may have to be careful how you configure your system or look for patches for functionality you can't live without, but that's the same with any distro.

    And for that you have to be a club member.


    ?????

    If you aren't a club member, you don't get the rpm's, so urpmi doesn't help. Cooker is the development version. I want a stable version. The pretendingly stable version is already buggy enough.

    • Stable releases are public (but, paying customers do get benefits ... like first access ... maybe you have a better business model???).
    • Current cooker is exaclty the same as the community release
    • If you're not paying, and you think the distro is "buggy", either don't complain, or file your bug reports like everyone else


      I don't see where your misconception about RPMS only being available to Club members comes from. This whole thread is about the public release of the ISOs that were available to the Club members last week. There is a lag for "freeloaders", but that's not the same as being unavailable.

    1. Re:Misconceptions by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1

      > In the ISOs that were just released?

      they're for mdk 10.0, not 9.2. Probably that wouldn't work.

      (same thing applies for your two other points).

      > urpmi kernel-source

      where do I get a free, stable, mdk-modified kernel for 9.2 ?
      Only bugfix/security updates are freely available. And I wouldn't try to use in my 9.2 a kernel redesigned for 10.0.

      > Stable releases are public

      stable 10.0 doesn't exist yet. "Community" is PR for "beta".

      > Current cooker is exaclty the same as the community release

      That's what I say. Until 10.0 Official is released, there is no stable 10.0.

      >If you're not paying, and you think the distro is "buggy", either don't complain, or file your bug reports like everyone else

      I *have* payed 3 powerpacks, that's 3 times 80 euros, that's 240 euros, that's something like $290.

      I have nothing against the idea of paying. But I don't want to *subscribe* to anything because it diminishes my freedom to switch to another distro whenever I want to - hence it diminishes the level of concurrence between the various distros.

      I dislike the fact that mdk *isolates* its users from the rest of the free software world (I hate the word "community", it sounds like a sect) in two ways :
      1) it uses too much mdk-modified software. It would be better to stick with totally standard sources, with a few exceptions like supermount and hyperthreading optimizations. A complete list of non-standard sources should be published. Even in the case of patched (hence nonstandard) sources, only standard patches should be used, ie patches available for any distro.
      2) it prevents you from truly learning gnulinux. That I didn't notice as long as I runned mdk. But I've been running slackware for 3 weeks and I in 3 weeks I've learned more than in 3 years with mdk. How is it possible ? Don't know. Probably mdk has too many half-working config tools to do things that require only 1 minute to do under vi.

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    2. Re:Misconceptions by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      they're for mdk 10.0, not 9.2. Probably that wouldn't work.

      You didn't say you wanted 9.2. The 9.2 ISOs have *just* been removed to make place for the 10.0 ISOs, but a number of mirrors will probably still have the 9.2 ISOs that have been publicy available for 5 months.

      (same thing applies for your two other points)

      Yes, all freely-licensed software in the distribution is available publicy.

      where do I get a free, stable, mdk-modified kernel for 9.2 ?

      ftp://mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake/9.2/i586/Mand rake/RPMS/kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
      (or on any of the other Mandrake mirrors - where they have been for over 5 months). And, it's trivial to set the distro up to install packages from the network, unlike many other "commercial" distros (I'm fighting with this on a Redhat box inside a heavily firewall network ... with things that are trivial on Mandrake).

      But I don't want to *subscribe* to anything because it diminishes my freedom to switch to another distro whenever I want to - hence it diminishes the level of concurrence between the various distros.

      No one is forcing you to subscribe. They are just making it attractive, so that they can pay their rent.

      Even in the case of patched (hence nonstandard) sources, only standard patches should be used, ie patches available for any distro.

      All patches are visible in the SRPM and in Mandrake packaging CVS.

      If you want to have broken software (ie some software doesn't compile with gcc-3.2 out-the-box, some perl packages were broken by perl-5.8.2), insist on this. If you want software that actually works out-the-box for everyone, patches are essential. We don't patch software for fun. We patch software to add features or bugfixes that we feel are necessary.

      it prevents you from truly learning gnulinux

      Has Mandrake has installed a patch which prevents vi from editing a config file? Or, maybe removed the man pages? Or maybe removed documentation?

      Get real.

      Any linux distro can be used to learn about Linux. It's the user who has to make the choice.

      On distros like Slackware you don't have a choice, and that's why it is unproductive to do other things (besides learning the distro) on them.

      For example, I much prefer documenting the setup of features that are much more difficult on other distros than spending hours getting basic configuration done.

      As I said, you have some misconceptions.

    3. Re:Misconceptions by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1

      OK, I can agree with some of your points. But there's one point where I haven't made myself clear. I *have* mdk 9.2 (powerpack). So I have the kernel you're mentionning. On the mdk CD-ROMs. What I want is to upgrade it to 2.6. So, being outside of the club, my only option (do we agree on this ?) is to go to cooker. But I have reluctance to doing so, because this is not supposed to be a stable release. Ok, I don't know how unstable the cooker kernel actually is, but do you agree that as a standard user, I can have reluctance to replacing my functionnal kernel by a kernel from a development branch ?

      Same problem for other upgrades, like kde 3.2.

      Now there's the club, who proposes me to pay $5 a month and then get an official upgrade instead of picking something possibly unstable from Cooker. Sounds much better ! But I'll have to pay on a regular basis for this, for a certain amount of time (is it 1 year ?) hence losing my part of my freedom to choose my software (since I'll be quite bound to mdk -- I don't want to pay $5/month for nothing).

      Do we agree ?

      Then one can discuss, but in my opinion this is already a way of making a pressure on me to get me pay on a regular basis and, what's more problematic, to get me bound to mdk for a certain amount of time. This last point, I think, is excessive.

      Concerning the learning of unix... you're right to say that what I'm currently doing on my slackware, I could have done on mdk. But if I had stuck to mdk, I'd never had the idea of doing so. In 3 years I haven't. So my conclusion is : mdk is very good for total beginners, and is equivalent to nearly any other distro for the skilled user. But in the middle, there are many users who are technophile half-beginners, who could learn very quickly if they had to, but who won't as long as they're running mandrake. For these users, mandrake is not a good distribution.

      And there would be absolutely no problem if mandrake was flawless, so there would be no need for them to learn more. But unfortunately this is not the case. They'd find a great benefit in learning more, as I have.

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      War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
    4. Re:Misconceptions by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1

      > You ask for the latest and greatest software and then complain that you can't get a stable release?

      This is not asking for too much as long as I don't take beta versions or release candidates. Slackware -current + kernel 2.6 is giving me that stability. Except for konqueror of course.

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  72. How is the Serial ATA support? by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How well does Linux 2.6.3, which distro builds on, support Serial ATA drives?

    I'm using a Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus @ 160 GB. The mainboard is a Abit IS7 and I *think* the SATA controller is from SiliconImage.

    When I recently tried out Knoppix, the entire OS (or at least the GUI) froze whenever I tried to access the auto-detected hard drive. However, it's based on 2.4.x and I have a feeling it was due to my SATA drive and lack of controller support.

    I'm relatively new to Linux after a longish break, but was thinking about picking up on it again. But I don't really want to start by messing around with SATA drivers, as it seems to be both a rather complex task for a newbie and a risky task too, as I'm dealing with low-level stuff that I fear could corrupt data if done wrong.

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    1. Re:How is the Serial ATA support? by fille · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use the Fedora test distribution (core 2 test 1, i think) and it works with the SATA-controller on my Asus motherboard. However, it's really a test version, a lot of programs crash..

      Big advantage is that kernel 2.6 is on the installation cd's so it's installed automagically. You don't have to compile it yourself..

    2. Re:How is the Serial ATA support? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      According to their features section for 10.0 most SATA controllers are supported providing you're not going to try to RAID them.

      OK, no, not bothering with RAIDing anything here. :-)

      Of course if your luck is anything like mine, your chipset will be the only one not supported. It's a free download so it won't cost you to find out, and who knows, you just might really like it. I gave up on SUSE after they let their implementation of Gnome go to hell (version 7) and been with Mandrake ever since. Hella nice distribution. Just the thing for getting back into it. Cheers!

      Yes, I'm fearing I'll have that kind of luck. But you're right in that it's free to try! I think I'll give it (and Partition Magic, heh) a shot and see how it's like. I liked what I saw in Knoppix before it crashed on me. :-P Things have really moved forward since Red Hat 5.x or so. :-D

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  73. Re:Torrent bah! by shadester · · Score: 1

    I have to agree on this one. When I stopped trying to use the torrent and went for ftp instead, the download rate went from 7 k/s to 800 k/s. A bit faster.

  74. Re:I hate torrents! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Torrents are very slow when your behind a firewall unfortunatly. Try port redirect. Btw you shouldn't expect more than 120KB from anyone unless you are on an OC line seriously. the 1MB (which is probably actually 1 megabit not 1 megabyte) will only be filled when you are downloading from multiple sources at one time. You will almost never see a single download faster than 150KB.

  75. Re:Torrent bah! by eagl · · Score: 1

    It only works sometimes and for some people. I have all the required ports open and have had the torrent going for 8 hours, and it's downloaded 63 meg while uploading 500 meg. It'll upload as fast or as slow as I tell it to, but it only downloads at 1 or 2 kbps if at all.