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Contour Crafting - Extrude-a-House

lww writes "An article in New Scientist discusses the work of Behrokh Khoshnevis at the University of Southern California to design and build a fully automated robot that performs Contour Crafting, his name for a process to extrude successive layers of semi-fluid building mixtures like concrete to create entire structures. In the article, he says 'The goal is to be able to completely construct a one-story, 2000-square foot home on site, in one day and without using human hands.' by 2005. I'm pretty jazzed at the potential to construct buildings with highly curved/creative contours that would be impossible using current construction techniques."

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  1. Suburbia by shystershep · · Score: 5, Funny

    Boy, and I thought houses in housing developments were too cookie-cutter now.

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    1. Re:Suburbia by namidim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The potential is to make them all completely different though. Just feed the robot a different model and you get a different house.

    2. Re:Suburbia by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or it could go the other way. On your block everybodies house would be completely different.

      And that guy next door to you who has a house designed to look like a giant vagina is now reducing the resale value of your house...

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    3. Re:Suburbia by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Boy, and I thought houses in housing developments were too cookie-cutter now.

      What's to say they still will be? I find one of the worst trends in neighborhoods is houses that stand out (either they are ugly or make the rest look so). Can you imagine every house on the block looking like some artwork, worse, of different genres?

      "Turn left onto Cherryh Street and keep going until you get to the Picasso-blue-period ..."

      What's this do for builders? Go learn CNC so you can take the spec from the architect and put the house together? Hmm. Since distance could be removed from the equation, how about the architect does the programming, and he or she could be anywhere in the world...

      Honestly, it's interesting, but the coolest thing I saw was on Nova years ago, where some japanese company built modules which were hauled out on a flatbed truck lifted into place and bolted together. Pick out your house by the pieces and have it assembled in a day. Don't like a part? Have it swapped out for one you do like.

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    4. Re:Suburbia by shystershep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The potential is there, but it's there now. It isn't the construction costs so much as the design costs that result in all the houses in a given development being identical (other that rotated 90 degrees, or mirrored).

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    5. Re:Suburbia by OECD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since distance could be removed from the equation, how about the architect does the programming, and he or she could be anywhere in the world...

      Great, now we're outsourcing construction jobs.

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    6. Re:Suburbia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reducing? Who doesn't like vagina?

    7. Re:Suburbia by El · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that guy next door to you who has a house designed to look like a giant vagina is now reducing the resale value of your house... Or increasing the property values, if you live in an area with a lot of geeks... especially if your own house is designed to look like a giant penis...

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    8. Re:Suburbia by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It isn't the construction costs so much as the design costs that result in all the houses in a given development being identical (other that rotated 90 degrees, or mirrored).

      The rule of thumb is you should expect to spend 10 percent more if you're having an architect design your house. That means you'd add one percent if you made ten copies of each house. Many of said developments (generically, I call them hives) have only one to five different designs, so I wouldn't say the cost of design is in any way significant.

      The major costs as far as I know are materials, labor, and land. Oh, and profit. Eliminating much of the labor cost would be great, except the price of houses doesn't seem to go down. I suspect what you'd do is increase the cost of one of the other segments (profit, probably).

      Sure would be cool if you could getone of these gizmos from the Rent-All for the weekend and run up a new garage. I hope to see the site if it ever recovers....

    9. Re:Suburbia by decepty · · Score: 5, Funny

      it'd be funny in an earthquake... "look, the giant genitals are slamming together, we're fucked!"

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    10. Re:Suburbia by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, I will take cheap, livable housing for the masses over beautiful housing any day of the week. The inhabitants can always redecorate it later.

      Second, to my eyes, this technology allows you to build all kinds of crazy looking houses that would have had prohibitive labour costs in the original.

      A very exciting idea! I am really looking forward to this new era of computer aided fabrication technology - my alma mater, UTS, has recently purchased two Statasys 3D printers, so if those cheapskates are getting into it, surely the commodotisation boom is not far away.

      When the time does come, I look forward to seeing napster like services for three dimensionsional objects. "Six people for dinner? I better download some new forks."

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    11. Re:Suburbia by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Interestingly enough, the designer of this building had that in mind. Didn't seem to affect retail values on Michigan Avenue very much. ;-)

    12. Re:Suburbia by snarkh · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Can you provide a reputable reference for this? I've heard the story many times but I am not sure I believe it.

    13. Re:Suburbia by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll take a slightly different slant to most of the other responses.

      I have nothing against cookie cutter houses, per se. A good design is a good design. There's a bit a movement now among the Navajo to start building tradtional hogans again, with modern materials, because, as it turns out, it's a good design, better than the modern house for where and how they live. The real problem with the houses in suburbia is that they regurgitate poorly made bad designs.

      But at least they're vastly overpriced and wasteful, so they've got that going for them. They are what a local architect calls "cartoons" of houses.

      Then you've got the houses that are at least well made, but nonsensically. The Cape Cod salt box built because it's a "style," but with absolutely no clue that it's shaped like that for a reason. You'll see these with the high face pointing northward and into the wind. Morons.

      It's a house. It's supposed to house you. Make a nice one and don't worry about your indviduality over much. That's what your lawn ornaments are for.

      But at least build a good house, not some crackerbox that's all expensive (but ugly), nonfunctional (or even counter-functional) facade and no substance.

      In fact, salt boxes are very nice houses, if you face them south with their backs to the wind.

      KFG

    14. Re:Suburbia by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Houses look "cookie cutter" when they're new because the builders use all the same types of materials to save costs. They use "safe" colors to preserve their investment...and use a minimum of landscaping for the same reason (which is why landscaping your home is worth so much...regrading our overgrown lawn alone raised our appraisal nearly $10k).

      These features that look "cookie cutter" to you probably look equally bad to the owners. As these houses age, their owners replace parts with new ones according to taste and function.

      The result? A housing development that looks "cookie cutter" now will look completely different in 5 to 10 years. And by buying one of these ugly, conformist houses, you can often get a better deal that if you bought an older house for its "character" and sunk a few grand into fixing everything that's wrong with it.

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    15. Re:Suburbia by Scaba · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think lpangelrob2 is right. If you notice, the designer of the building is A. Epstein, which is an anagram for "eat penis". Coincidence? I think not...

    16. Re:Suburbia by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Funny

      2045: This house proudly built by NanoTech Industries Inc.

      2050: Union negotiations with the 10^20 member strong NanoBug Union are still underway. The NanoBug Union Collective has threatened complete disassociation of the entire world's building molecules unless their demands are met. :)

      SB

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    17. Re:Suburbia by phurley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are missing a rather important point, the cookie cutter developments are generally built by crews that know them - limiting building choices increases quality (hate to see what it would be like otherwise) and decreases cost.

      Don't forget the labor involved often does not speak english natively, so that increases the savings involved in training on five plans rather than 30.

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    18. Re:Suburbia by SeinJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      especially if your own house is designed to look like a giant penis...


      I bet it takes a lot of work to erect a structure like that...
    19. Re:Suburbia by paganizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahh. So that explains why the 120 year old house I grew up in seemed so flimsy and shoddy next to those hive-development houses.

      And your right, around here almost all the labor speaks american, not english.

      Building cookie cutter houses decreases cost, time to build, AND quality.
      (for those keeping track, I was in the architecture/civil engineering track from 1979-1987)

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    20. Re:Suburbia by DrMrLordX · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm guessing that the GNAA has very little use for vagina, or vagina-shaped houses.

  2. Willlmmaaaa! by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    At last! Now I can build the house of my dreams!

    Now, all I have to do is get Fred out of the way...

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  3. Matt Helm strikes again by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Informative

    Matt Helm did this in 1967 in his movie with an inflatable bedroom.

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  4. Thats it by An-Unnecessarily-Lon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am moving to Mars where they still build houses the old fashion way. Wait... what? ..... Aww crap

  5. One day? by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This may be able to construct a house in one day, but I can't see getting this gadget set up in that time. This thing is huge!

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    1. Re:One day? by AlecC · · Score: 2, Informative

      True. Throwing up the brickwork is one of the fastest parts of building. Usually laying in the site services and getting good foundations down take an age, then the shell appears in a trice, then fitting oudt take another age.

      I can see the machine itself being installed quickly - after its track has been carefully laid.

      The interesting bit, as the original /. post said, is the possibility to build in wierd shapes. However., after reading How Buildings Learn,, it seems thst this is not generally a good idea for long term use use of buildings. Square may be a bit, erm, square, but it is much more adapatable - and successful buildings are above all adaptable.

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  6. Thank god. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Funny

    At first I read that as "Extrude-a-Horse." I was picturing some unfortunate horse being turned to goo as it was extruded through a small pinhole. Ick.

  7. Extrude, huh? by inertia187 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ex'trude v. ex'trud'ed, ex'trud'ing, ex'trudes
    v. tr. 1. To push or thrust out.

    Boy, the trolls are going to have a field day with this one.

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  8. A robot shat my house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would anyone ever be proud to say "a robot shat my home"? These things will likely replace trailer-houses: the Cletus Delroy's of the future can say "Hey Maw! We're movin' to a brand spankin' new droid-turd!"

  9. Dunno if the article says anything about it... by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But what about windows? Having really contoured surfaces dont do so well if you want to put in a window, custom glass costs a boat load....

    Not to mention they make awkward living spaces inside; it just seems that boxes work so much better in house design, although I would love curvature in the corner points in my rooms (a nice, soft, apple-like look).

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    1. Re:Dunno if the article says anything about it... by beacher · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is slashdot. Windows is a bad thing here

    2. Re:Dunno if the article says anything about it... by White+Shade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      curved corners are all well and good until you try to push your desk, bookshelf, bed or other boxy piece of furniture into the corner of your room... not all pieces of furniture (especially a bookshelf, for example) can have curvey edges in them, and you do limit your options to some extent ...

      curvey edges wouldn't do well on the floor/wall boundaries either, for the same reasons....

      curves are nice but they're not always practical.

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    3. Re:Dunno if the article says anything about it... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In terms of artistic design, its far more difficult to design cohesive homes with rounded corners than you'd think. At least in my experience with other artist friends, including at least a few who hope to be architects, it seems that we human's dont really like having no clear seperation between walls.

      The other concern for me, along with your window comment, is that a significant number of conventions in room design, i.e. any picture frames, flat-screens, bookshelves, etc. are all flat-backed. You'd have to custom match your curved components to match your curved walls...

      I think, when you get down to it, this will be less about new, esoteric designs, and more about being able to cheaply produce good-quality housing without the same structural overhead.

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  10. I know a few strong guys who wouldn't like this by wizarddc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try getting something like this pushed past the trade unions. You might wake up with a horse head under your sheets.

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  11. Yeah.... by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it will only take a day to build a house, and with no human hands...but then, you still have to build a big gantry crane over the site, and set up the robot. This thing isn't going to do in-wall plumbing and electricity either. There would still be a LOT of work after the robot did its union minimum.

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  12. Make him a house he can't refuse by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Try getting something like this pushed past the trade unions. You might wake up with a horse head under your sheets.

    Or during the night one of the house-crapping bots extrudes an entire 64-unit condo into your bedroom.

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    1. Re:Make him a house he can't refuse by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It can extrude some very stylish, custom concrete shoes.

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    2. Re:Make him a house he can't refuse by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or build a house AROUND your house, with no doors.

      I need to build me one of those buildings in "Cube".

  13. Command & Conquer by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put this on a flatbed truck, then give me a Tiberium Harvester, some Nod buggies, stealth tanks, and I'll be in business!

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  14. Oh yeah by mskfisher · · Score: 4, Informative
    Slashdotted.

    Fortunately, I downloaded the movies and made a BitTorrent version available:
    http://www.mskf.org/contourcrafting.torrent
    Enjoy.
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    1. Re:Oh yeah by mskfisher · · Score: 3, Informative
      And now, because my bandwidth limit hasn't been touched this month, I provide you with a mirror of the USC page:
      http://www.mskf.org/mirror/contour/
      w00t.
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  15. Practical only for smaller structures? by Lafe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It looks like this sort of technology is actually targeted at just the "smaller" buildings, like houses.

    It would seem that this is because it is essentially a "print-a-house" device, which will be limited by the size of the "printer" as well as the type of materials that can be used for "ink." No steel buildings here, only ceramics, some plastics, or adobe-type products.

    One thing that struck me funny is that they cited "construction of structures on Moon and Mars" as a possible application, but I simply can't see how it'd be a better option than, say, inflatables.

    1. Re:Practical only for smaller structures? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd prefer a flexible inflated structure that could take a shot and get a small hole that I'd have a few minutes to patch, than a rigid vessel that could shatter from the impact.

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    2. Re:Practical only for smaller structures? by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you fill an inflatable wall with cement, that wall must be mighty strong to not rupture while before the cement dries. And there's going to be all kinds of interesting deformations... Besides, you need to water to make cement.

      So I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't easier to just cut rocks from the ground and weld them together. Or better yet, just find a hill and drill a cave inside it.

      This has the good side of allowing windows to be made easily. If you don't need them, you can simply build the cave under flat surface.

      These techniques would allow for large, durable structures and make them easily expandable with no extra building materials - just drill a new tunnel if you need extra space.

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  16. Good news/Bad news by unassimilatible · · Score: 5, Funny
    Good news: The printer is only $50

    Bad news: Ink cartriges are one miiiiiiiilllllon dollars! (Austin Powers voice).

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  17. Plumbing, electric, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would be nice for a home with no infratructure. How does it tie in to sewer lines, electric grids, etc? This isn't even mentioning teh internal infrastructure - all teh 14guage wiring, the three way switches, the copper feed and pvc drain pipes, etc.

    Also, how does it get all the city bureaucrats on site in one day to do all the

    This sounds like the flying cars we were all promised.

    1. Re:Plumbing, electric, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The sewer lines, at least, could be directly built into the walls and slab. No pipes required!

    2. Re:Plumbing, electric, etc by og_sh0x · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you go to the technical paper, take a look at figures 5 and 8. Now a quote from page 3 of the same paper: Utility Conduits: As shown in Figure 5 utility conduits may be built into the walls of a building structure precisely as dictated by the CAD data. Sample sections made with CC and filled with concrete as shown in Figure 8 demonstrate this possibility.

    3. Re:Plumbing, electric, etc by cryptochrome · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sewer lines, at least, could be directly built into the walls and slab. No pipes required!

      Uh, I'm not so sure that's a good idea. Certainly not for concrete and adobe, which are both porous to a degree. And aside from that, I'd really feel better if my sewage was passing through a completely separate system.

      Anyway, a house printer would only have to leave the relevant gaps or channels in the wall for running utilities through. Or you could just drill in. Mind you, this is just for the overall shape of the house; the interior and exterior surfaces would probably be handled separately.

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    4. Re:Plumbing, electric, etc by Anm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Patent Pending. I'm serious. These guys have already thought of and nearly solved the piping and electrical infrastructure problems. But just haven't publicly unveiled it. I sat in on a talk here at USC by Dr. Khoshnevis.

      The bureaucratics issue came up also. That one is going to be very tough. In the mean time, his applied focus is on adobe house construction in rural areas and third worlds. Oh yeah, and extraterrestial buildings (assuming we can make mud on Mars/Moon).

      Anm

    5. Re:Plumbing, electric, etc by glass_window · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't wait for Adobe Housebuilder v8.0, I hear they've included support for incorporating a mini-bar into your new home!

  18. Seems a bit redundant by cubyrop · · Score: 2, Interesting


    The video shows girders neatly and precisely arranged in preparation for the construction. The labor involved in lugging these onsite and then ordering them fussily along the ground, in addition to the laying of tracks for the giant house-plotter, would seem to be better spent actually building a real house instead of one made out of the semi-liquid gak that Hordak poured onto He-Man.

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  19. McHouse by jbum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure it's cool that a robot might build a house in a day, but would you really want to live in it?

    Personally, I'd rather have my house built by 100 Amish carpenters over the course of one year.

    I may be a Luddite, in this respect, but I'm also a big believer in TLC.

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  20. This isn't new! by C17GMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    EBTX had this idea a long, long time ago:
    http://www.ebtx.com/mech/mech05.htm
    True, this guy didn't actually have the materials in mind, but we ought to give him credit for coming up with it first.

  21. But seriously, by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This guy's got some ideas.

    Here's another such robotic builder concept.

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  22. Curved contours impossible? by CanSpice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Negative! There's an alternative building process called cobbing that allows for free-form walls. A group called Cobworks is currently building a cob house in Mexico that's got a number of curved walls.

    Curved walls are nowhere near impossible. And placing windows in them is nowhere near impossible either. Furniture and home decoration obviously also has to be bought to fit or placed properly in rooms (i.e. no six foot long paintings hung on a curved wall).

  23. Strange contours have been tried before... by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Octagon houses, domes, all kinds of shapes have been tried, but when it comes down to it, plain old right-angle planes are what really work. You can bolt things to them, modify them, cut passages through them, and make additions to them more easily than any other shape. I agree, cubes and rectangles are boring, but alas, they are what seem to work the best for real living.

    If you want to see some beautiful uses of curves and non-right-angles in architecture, check out the Walt Disney Concert Hall in LA. It is truly beautiful, and the kind of thing which could not possibly have been built even 15 years ago because the computer modeling technology wasn't there. But that is a place you go to spend a few hours once a month, not to live there, and it was built with plenty of open space around it, not packed in like a house.

    But I think this house-creating technology is cool and I'm sure it will find uses in more spread-out areas where there is room to be creative.

    The logical next step is P2P architecture, right?

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  24. Framing is a small part... by cosmicpossum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The animation shows the machine making a framed structure on a prepared lot. Stick framing can already be done in a day (albeit with a few sets of human hands involved). The thing that takes time in building a house is the wiring, plumbing, hvac, and finishing.

    I don't see much future for this until they can automate some of these functions.

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  25. Great by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now the rest of the country will look like Southern California-pink, beige, and stucco.

  26. Rapid prototyping by rm007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This seems to be a larger version (albeit by an order of magnitudes) of the kind of technology that has been employed in rapid prototyping and model making for manufacturing an other applications for quite some time. See, for example this and this.

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  27. Slashdotted... by pragma_x · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like he'll have to extrude-a-server while he's at it.

  28. Dubious Value by Wes+Janson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whatever format this machine has, it's likely going to have to be mounted on a framework with all construction carried out inside the confines of the frame. Now, were the construction material especially fast-drying, sturdy, and lightweight, it might be economical to produce structures in a factory and haul them to location. But for anything larger than a small home, it seems likely that a portable on-site scaffolding-like frame would be necessary. I wonder what sort of calibration issues might arise from such a necessity: the temperature, stability, angle, and many other factors would all affect the construction. Sounds to me like the best idea would be to lay down a concrete floor first the conventional way, with attachment points for the machine, then bring it in, turn it on, wait, and move it on to the next site. No matter how this is done, houses are not going to be constructed in a single day: you'd still need the foundation, the flooring, the roofing, the electrical and plumbing systems, doors, paint, windows, bathroom fixtures, and a myriad of other things to all be installed. As it is, pouring concrete and constructing the walls of a house is by no means the most time-consuming part of making a new home. IANAE, but I really doubt that implementation of this technology would shorten the construction time of an average structure by more than a day or two.

  29. I already have a model... by Tofino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can't we just feed code from Second Life into this thing?

    1. Re:I already have a model... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > Can't we just feed code from Second Life into this thing?

      Screw that. I want to feed some M.C. Escher code into it.

      Either I get a Relatively sane place, or the robot turns itself inside out while trying to do the damned recursive stairs. But if the robot survives the traumatic experience, I can live in a really nice subdivision.

      M.C. Escher + Robots. Because a man's home is his castle...

      (Cue the chameleon breaking down into tears at the sight of a piece of plaid (or a mirror!) screaming "I can't do it! I can't do it! I just can't do it!")

  30. Interesting idea... for extrusions by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea is cool for things that are extruded surfaces, but... how do you get any tinsile strength out of it? How do you put in vertical elements that are not concrete, but integrated into the structure? The site pre-casting idea is neat, but there isn't anything showing how it would stand up to seismic, or even strong wind loads. I know... work in progress.

    It's actually very close to building with stone, only you use a liquid instead.

    1. Re:Interesting idea... for extrusions by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the sort of technology that will take off once fibre composite (fibre glass, carbon fibre) design of concrete is more commonplace. It would largely make reinforcement redundant.

      (speaking as one whose working day involves lots of concrete) It may not happen this year, or the next five, but this is where concrete is likely to be headed in the next 20 years.

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  31. Great news for undeveloped countries by cubyrop · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Lug this giant pooper into a destitute region of SA or China, and lay down inexpensive shelter for an entire town. Encourage corporate sponsorship - no joke - I'm sure Pepsi wouldn't mind putting up some cash for this process, if each house built had a big pepsi logo carved into it.
    Of course, people destitute enough to live in a soft-serve house probably aren't too embroiled in the cola wars. Ebola wars, maybe.

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  32. A real use would be pool walls by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The desire to have curved pool walls, which cost a fortune in concrete formwork would be where this could make in-roads if it were able to work around reinforcing steel(unreinforced concrete isn't that crash hot for any serious structural works, especially in any areas of seismicity).

    Curved walls may well look pretty, but are a nuisance to work around if you are trying to fit beds, couches, tables against them. One of the bonuses of straight walls iwth square corners.

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  33. windows are easy, but what about... by Intraloper · · Score: 2, Informative

    For windows and doors, even in a curved surface, you justspecify a flat flange to install them to. Still have to install them, though. Also the interior door. But what about foundations? Still gotta dig the hole and fill it with something heavy, rigid and stable. How do you tie it down to the foundation? Tie rods? You would still need rebar in the structure itself to attach the tie rods to. Here in California (and a lot of other places), you also need sufficient reinforcing in the structure itself to handle seismic loads, and those have to be connected via rods or bolts to the foundation. What about wiring and plumbing? They are typically enclosed inside the walls, for safety and aesthetics. How do you imbed a complete wiring and plumbing system into the walls? Perhaps you could program the machine to actually form the waste piping, but you still need a water supply. Chases in the structure? Then you have the issue of pulling piping and wiring through a complex system of chases. Ventilation, heat and cooling? Same issues. This looks potentially cool, but building the structure is only one small part of building a house, and saving some money there doesnt necessarilly save you anything on the entire structure.

  34. A Different Use by Percent+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Instead of having this thing crap out fancy-schmancy concrete ugliness with many different curves, it could be greatly beneficial in the way we currently use construction robots on assembly lines: mass production. Specifically, for those unable to afford houses constructed traditionally. Think of it: Rather than sending a boatload of materials and hundreds of workers to some poor, third-world country (or impoverished urban area), just ship one or ten of these suckers out there, along with one or two operators per, and mix the raw materials on-site. In a week you'll be housing five hundred families. Of course this assumes several years of R&D before then, such that the process will be cheap, the raw materials commonplace and easily available, and little problems like pipes and windows are solved. You may laugh at a bunch of cookie-cutter houses all slapped down in a row, but I bet the homeless wouldn't. You could call it Habitat for Robotity...

  35. Foam Houses by gzsfrk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of this place.

    I remember 20+ years ago touring a house constructed from a durable, high-strength foam. It was located in Gatlinburg, TN and was called "Xanadu - House of the Future". I recall that it was constructed by inflating large, plastic dome-like balloons and then spraying those balloons with the hardening foam. Builders then subsequently went in with saws and simply chopped out wherever they wanted a doorway, hall, or secret passageway to be. I remember being totally blown away when, towards the end of the tour, they had an Atari 2600 (playing that Snoopy vs. the Red Baron game) and color TV embedded in the wall. Plus, it had a slide/tunnel to get from the kids' room upstairs down to the den.

    Good times... good times. (obligatory Homestarrunner reference =)

    Cheers..

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  36. No, they dont drill out poured structures by Intraloper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not unless someone screwed up. in poured structures, the reinforcement, wiring chases, plumbing, ventilation, all the things necesary to turn a structure into an office or home, are laid into the walls before the pour. Fixing a mistake later, by drilling for example. is hideously expensive, and has sent more than one contractor into bankruptcy.

  37. hotels are built like this today by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    some chain hotels are built using premodular components today.. entire guestrooms, with plumbing and all. the make'em, put them on a barge, and install them on a foundation(i.e. in NYC it's a godsend)

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  38. Not Just Houses by Ugmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same guy is working on using plastics and metal also. The main innovation is his use of the moving extruder and trowels to smooth the surface of the object.

    The moving extruder enables you to build items bigger than the tank of goo that previous laser powered rapid prototyping setups used.

    The trowels let you produce a smooth finished item. Other systems result in a stack of disks (cross sections). To minimize the stack of disks surface, you make the cross sections very very thin but this means there are thousands of cross sections and it takes a long time. With the trowels you can spit out thick tubes and smooth it out later.

    Other than houses they say you can build boats (not from adobe, duh, from plastic). Think of other smooth shells.

    When this thing goes off patent in 20 years, I can see people setting up a robot in some big commercial garage building. You create a CAD design at home and bring it down to the garage. They extrude out an item and you bring it home. You can trade designs on the internet. Someone should start an Open Source design program now to be ready with a standard file format.

    list things that would be easy to make.

    Anything big hollow and plastic, ceramic or metal:

    Plastic child's wading pool for the back yard.
    Kids play set.
    Kayaks, Canoes, snow sleds.
    Garbage cans.
    Patio Furniture
    Frisbees
    Hoola-hoops

    Custom computer case mods could get really crazy.

    Dishes or cookware?

    Think of your own. It's fun.

  39. FInally! just like software! by fikx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now the whole issue of open source and software patents can be brought to the masses. When the blue prints for a physical structure are the valuable part because an auto-builder just reads 'em and builds the house, what is the valuable part?
    After all, that's how software works. you write some blueprints, and an auto-builder (compiler) makes it into a binary. Could this be the start of finallly making the playing field even? (watch for big companies to start sueing for features in the blue print "just like the feature in our blue print". Can't put in bathroom because then you'd HAVE to have seen our blueprint to build one that works like ours... :)

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  40. Yes, but by chadjg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    this could completely change the way things are done. As I see it this machine could build a dog house for (a totally wild guess) $50,000, or a big honking ranch style house for $65,000. The expense is still going to be in site preparation and getting the equipment in place. No surprise, right?

    I think that once designers get a handle on what this machine can do that they will come up with ways to build houses that will seriously cut down on finish work and systems installation. What about cast in place air ducting, and cast in place conduits? Finish work would be a snap. Believe me, when you hire an experienced stucco crew you'd better be ready for them because you go to lunch and they'll have the job done before you get back. That stuff can be done a lot faster than the vapor barrier-rigid insulation, siding, paint system.

    And as far as insulation goes, what' stopping them from extruding that also? Air entrained concrete with those little expanded poly beads is great insulation! If you want to go farther, it wouldn't be hard to cast in little notches to hang interior sheating and then pump insulation behind that.

    I spent a summer with a fist full of rebar ties in one hand and a tool in the other, and it wasn't a lot of fun. If you can trade a lot of little hand labor, for a couple of days of guys with heavy equipment, it might be worth it. Who knows.

    One thing's for sure, building houses this way isn't going to be done by ma & pop construction outfits.

    My experience with concrete is very small, but this could be big, if it isn't a scam and we can get the building codes people to buy it.

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  41. Now I need another euphemism for pooping! by csoto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, don't go in the bathroom! I just "extruded a house."

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  42. Re:Wilbur by nightsweat · · Score: 2

    I'll give you that one. Strong work.

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  43. Re:very much been there, done that by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, that was Thomas Edison, not Henry Ford. His idea was a system of re-useable steel forms, like this.

    -jcr

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  44. There are already versions of this out there by Walter+Wart · · Score: 2, Informative
    A while back, when we were considering building a house and some specialty buildings, we looked into a number concrete technologies. Some of them have been out there for over twenty years and would be competitive in terms of labor and material costs as well as flexibility. The idea is cool, but it isn't necessarily an improvement.

    Some of the technologies are:

    1. Gunnite and Shotcrete Starting with a disposable "frame" and your rebar you spray successive layers of concrete and gradually build up the surface you want. This is pretty much the same as the robot in the article but with human operators. A good friend of mine used this to make all the rock work at the Portland Oregon zoo more than twenty years ago.
    2. Liteforms and its successors There Insulation and modular forms in one package. The original version of this was big essentially styrofoam panels that served as forms for a normal concrete pour. Later products are more like hollow Legos. You set up your first course and then just build it up putting in rebar and your desired conduits as you go. We saw one man and two teenagers do a very complicated 4000+ square foot basement with curves and strange angles. It took them a weekend from laying it out to the actual concrete pour.
    3. Building Blocks A German company whose name escapes me makes a sort of foamed concrete masonry block. Less than half the weight and more than 80% of the structural strength of regular concrete. It's put together with mortar and can be cut with a Sawzall (with the right blade). Unfortunately they have been very conservative about finding new uses and marketing for this product.


    The styrofoam forms have the advantages of also being their own (very high R-value) insulation. You get the further advantages of a single monolithic pour for the who building. The walls have to be vertical, but that is something that the magic 80% of people would want anyway.

    Gunnite and shotcrete can be used for the curved ceilings and hobbit-hole style walls if that's what you want.

    So my gut feeling is that it's a really cool hack, but the alternatives will probably be cheaper quite a while to come. Also, a big part of real construction is reconciling the architect's drawing with reality. Things change on a job. The site isn't exactly what needs to be, even with good site prep. There are change orders. Or the concrete pumping company has decided to strengthen its bottom line by selling you product that has too much water. Or things aren't quite working right and have to be corrected on the fly.

    Turning the robot on and letting it go probably works better in the lab than on the job site.
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  45. Re:I used to stick-frame dingbat homes by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Funny
    Yeah, Ive done a bit of this, and seen it done. For stick houses this is the cheapest way. For concrete I'm not so sure. Concrete block can also go up pretty fast (though I've not seen it done as fast as stick), but poured concrete takes a long time. This is why no residential buildings use concrete (ok, replace no with few). But poured concrete is a really nice material for a house. It will generally be more efficient (ie, will tend to stay cooler in summer and warmer in winter, like adobe) than wood/metal construction.

    However, while the slash summary mentions concrete, a quick survey of the CC site did not mention it, rather it mentioned metals, polystyrene, and polyester (Disco Stu loves his new polyester house.)

  46. Great Idea - However it was Developed in 1960's by Coorain · · Score: 2, Informative

    Somewhere in my stack of architecture design articles is a paper from the 1960's that describes an automated extrusion process to build homes and other structures. The idea involved a robotic arm controling an extrusion device that assembled layers to produce walls, floors etc.

    One immediate application was the construction of very large insulated dome lids for sewage treatment plants.

    If anyone is interested in the details I will try and find the original article, scan and post it here.

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    1. Re:Great Idea - However it was Developed in 1960's by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It reminds me of something from half a century before THAT.

      http://www.flyingmoose.org/truthfic/edison.htm

  47. Prior Art by NTmatter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope they haven't tried patenting this. I'm pretty sure that there's some prior art dealing with shitting bricks. In fact, I'd preemptively like to call this machine "The Brick-Shitter" in honour of the manner in which it extrudes cement.

    With all due respect, though, this machine seriously does look like it could become an interesting tool for building developers. It's like a Rapid Prototyping machine on a grand scale. If it were made faster and more portable, it could be useable on large-scale structures. How feasable would it be to extrude a skyscraper?