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Spirit Takes Snapshot of Earth
ControlFreal writes "On its 66th Sol on Mars, Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has obtained its first full view of crater Bonneville. In doing so, Spirit achieved its primary travel destination, as set out in its initial itinerary. Furthermore, Spirit has now travelled more than 300 meters, thereby fulfilling its minimum mission success criteria. With this, and Opportunity halfway through its primary mission, and having discovered very strong indications of a wet Martian past, NASA has truly many an astonishing interplanetary succes story! See the overview at the Mars Rover site for more details." Another reader writes "Among the 'money-shots' from the Mars rovers would have to rank the 'pale blue dot' image released today--a view looking back towards Earth. The larger image also includes the horizon and Sun, which because the Earth is seen as an inner planet closer in towards the Sun from a martian perspective, is difficult to photograph without saturation by solar glare."
From all of us out here that dreamed of stepping on the Martian surface at one time or another, thanks for taking me there--at least in spirit.
Good job all!
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I CAN SEE MY HOUSE FROM HERE :D
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Feels a little bit humbling... I feel so small and insignificant :-\
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we all know the earth is flat and the "moon landings" were faked.
If you turn down your screen resolution so everything is bigger, you can see yourself waving.
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The news coverage of the exciting explots of these plucky extra-terrestrial rovers seems to have diminished. No pictures (well no original pictures) of aliens in the foreground of the Megabytes of images, no puddles, no golf-balls. Not very inspiring viewing.
I think the realisation that the missions were not going to be highly inspirational came when it occurred to me that the first rover landed on a plain and the chosen mission was to drive over to a crater and look in while the second rover landed in a crater and its chosen mission is to take a picture of the plain just over the rim.
Seems that getting there was the easy bit, achieving something meaningful has been a bit harder.
As I has seen masr last summer, it looked so big and red. I wonder when looked back from Mars, what color is earth.
I have seen pitcure from interplanetory orbit to take Earth and Moon in a single pitcture. Color contrast between them has impressed me a lot.
Dang. They could have told us when to say cheese.
I doubt any image returned by space exploration in the next few thousand years will change our perspective on things as much as the Earthrise photographs from Apollo 8. Our first view of Earth from the Moon, and it showed so much. It was large and clear enough to connect with, it was plainly Earth with oceans and continents and clouds, and it was tiny - all of human history and culture, all our achievements, in that small spot. Now that's quite a culture shock.
But 'pale blue dot' images? It's just a dot. It might just as well be Venus for all the emotional impact I get from it. Maybe if we could see _two_ dots from Mars - Earth and Moon - then we'd get the same sense of smallness we got from the Apollo views, because that would establish identity at the gut level.
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It's totally cool that Spirit made it to Bonneville crater (I've been waiting!), BUT I can't help but wonder if it wasn't a little disappointing that there doesn't seem to be any exposed bedrock as over at the Opportunity site...
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Many of us have looked up at the night sky all our lives, some have bought or made telescopes to see even more. We've beheld some amazing and beautiful things as we gazed at the heavens. We've seen the bright stars in our sky that turned out to be separate worlds, but they still remained just little points of light as we rested comfortably on our unimaginably huge earth.
But now we see another little dot hovering above a brightening horizon.
That's our planet.
Our home.
Seen from the surface of another world.
We are now just the little dot in the sky.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
I've noticed in some of the images of Spirit there is what seems to be a very shiny object at the opposite end of the crater:
Here (top right), here (top left) and here (middle).
Could it be a piece of Spirits entry/descent stage? In that last image it looks like an oddly shaped rock. If it is a rock, what could have made it so reflective?
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when is the rover going to give us a picture of J'onn J'onzz old house? That would be impressive!
You have to love the "You are here" caption on that image of earth from mars.
Who says nasa scientists dont have a sense of humor.
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Some reports said this thing was actually moving
Sorry about the silly offtopic 1st post but I just couldn't resist.
More seriously, I have been following the twin rover missions with great interest and I think it's absolutely amazing what they (And the JPL team of course) have achieved. I looked with great interest at the pic of our "pale blue (Even though the pic is monochrome) dot"
Even on the relatively tiny (In relation to astronomical standards) scale of a view from our nearest neighbour, it is truly humbling to realise just how insignificant our rock, in the greater scheme of things, really is.
Some of you might be interested in visiting a site that I visit on a daily basis to get and update on the latest images from Mars - photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov
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I am still astounded at the pictures that are sent back from Mars. I think the world is a little jaded at the monumentous task that was accomplished with this mission. This is historic stuff that should be in the press every day! If landing on the moon was big this should be justa as big if not bigger!!!
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I don't know why JPL isn't playing up the coolness factor of this a bit more, but in this panoramic navcam montage of Bonneville, you can clearly see the lander's heatshield to the left, glinting in the sun.
(Later on preview) Okay, now MSNBC is mentioning it.
Inspired by danielroot's and kokogiak's Martian stereo wiggles I've made a few Mars Wiggles of my own. No funny colored glasses required.
Consider that the human life span of about 80 years is but an instant compared to the lifecycle of the stars/galaxies/etc.
And we spend a significant amount of that time destructively (fighting/quarreling/warring/killing/spiting). Feels kinda weird...even destruction is bad only from our point of view....who knows what's actually "good" or "bad". Our knowledge and lives are just insignificant specks in the vastness of the Universe.
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I think that's even more interesting, and might draw people's interest as well.
"Honey, I feel a certain distance between us..." "Really? A 31ms ping ain't that bad..."
Reminds one of Carl Sagan's words:
... Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Pale Blue Dot
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors, so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
Then again, with the number of dead spaceprobes around Mars it's perhaps not so surprising if they've spotted one of them. Now, if they could find the Beagle we'd be tremendously pleased...
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OK, I'm imagining it. I'm imagining sitting there on Titan and really kicking myself for going all that way for a closeup view of Saturn and then picking as my vantage point the one and only moon in the entire Solar System with a thick smoggy atmosphere so that I can't see a damn thing ;-)
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That would depend on how long it takes them to edit out the Martians laughing at our puny attempts to look at their planet.
You can imagine them all standing around spirit and saying stuff like:
Martian 1: "Look! It's moving!"
Martian 2: "Where? I can't see anything..."
Martian 1: "It's slow, but it is moving, can't you see?"
Martian 3: "Geez! Haven't you guys got anything better to do than poke around with that thing?"
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I mean, how on earth could NASA position such a large arrow, big letters and a magnifier in space?
I remember that broadcast. There was something visceral as they read Genesis with the picture on TV, as fuzzy as it was. Publication of the true photo only amplified it, and I still get the feeling thinking about it, decades later.
IMHO what we need MOST at the ISS is a conference room. From what I've heard, EVERY astronaut or cosmonaut has come back to Earth with his/her world view adjusted by the experience. World leaders need to understand, that viscerally, that we all share this little island in space. (Unfortunately I suspect that some world leaders are so jaded and full of themselves that they'd see the vision and instead think "I want it ALL!")
I was similarly struck by a sequence during the movie, "Master and Commander." The scene began of people on the ship, then pulled back an up, until you began to realize that this was a tiny little ship on a huge ocean. I wished we could get a similarly powerful sequence of a spacecraft. Part of the effectiveness of the movie sequence was that the ocean was active, and that can't be captured in space.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
having discovered very strong indications of a wet Martian past
I thought the mission(s) were concieved because we already had very strong indications of a wet Martian past. Is this just marketspeak for not finding anything, ie. mission failure? Every press release from NASA that I read talks about indications and strong indications, there is nothing substantial so far.
Or maybe this is just hedging for another mission, to finally determine if these indications are true?
Really. Let's all admit it finally. Those pictures from mars are as boring as hell!
Interesting attitude.
I, for one, find the pictures fascinating and awe-inspiring on many levels.
At first it was just an appreciation for the mere fact that NASA was able to get the rovers onto the Martian surface. When I think of how f***ing far away Mars is, and how they were able to hit the target, I'm pretty much in awe. Yeah, the physics are well understood and software exists to determine everything about the mission (I can download such software for my home PC), but actually doing it is still pretty amazing.
Then there's the whole rover itself. It's a semi-autonomous machine, thousands of miles from home base, and it can send back some pretty detailed images of the surface, drill rocks, sample the environment. Hell, sometimes getting cams in the other room to work properly can be a task. That they could do this, troubleshoot and re-program the machine from that distance, and do it *twice* gives me a tremendous feeling of well-being.
Then there are the pictures themselves. We're peering at a f***ing other planet, man! Never before in human history have we seen the Martian surface with this much detail and this much information. I know it doesn't mean much to many people, but this is the spirit of exploration, the pure f***ing joy of discovery that pushed our forefathers to new worlds, new medicines, new art. Pushing the bounds, ripping apart the g*ddamned envelope, reaching beyond our grasp, is what makes us human and differentiates us from some cockroach or mindless automaton.
Mod me as a dork, but I am happy to be alive at this time.
God will save those who embrace Him. All one has to do is answer the call. So there is a hint. In fact, there is hope.
It does make a person reevaluate everything. It makes you wonder what things will be like in another 10,000 years. By then, maybe we'll have colonies on hundreds of planets. Our descendants will find it hard to believe that we lived on a single planet for so long. Maybe Earth won't even exist anymore.
Can you imagine what it will be like if we see colonies on Mars in our lifetimes? Even if it is only five people, it will be unbelievable. To know that we are living in the generation that is recognizing the dream of ancient civilizations is no less than thrilling.
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We are infinitesimal specks on an infinitesimal dot amongst the infinite expanse of our universe. How ever did Zaphod Beeblebrox cope with such a horrific concept?
Judging by your post, there isn't.
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(With thanks to Eric Idle)
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
If only they'd put 'Mostly Harmless' instead of 'You Are Here'.
Just out of curiosity, is Mars far away from us that the constelations look different?
I know that it's a relatively small distance, from a galactic perspective, but is it still enough to make some difference?
Anyone?
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Huh?
People just don't spend the amount of time they used to looking up at the sky's wonder and glory.
It takes a bit of experience to be able see what is dramatic. People are usually underwhelmed by what they see in a small telescope, they much less likely to be able to take in the magnificence of an unmagified image of the sky. I look at Alberio through my little 90mm refractor, and it's absolutely stunning to me. However for most people it's a yawn. The only sky object that uniformly gets a "wow" is the Moon.
If you're accustomed to looking at the sky quite a bit, you'll find that planets are dramatically different from stars: they look like little holes punched out of the sky. Once you've learned to really see planets, the idea of seeing Earth the same way will have more resonance for you.
Mars also has kind of a creamy color when viewed from Earth; it's a bit too faint to look as dramaticall red as it is close up. Earth is a larger planet and might be a bit brighter. I wonder if the picture were in color, whether Earth might be a pale blue. A tiny sapphire glowing in a reddish dawn might be a bit more dramatic. However, the delights of naked eye and low magnification sky viewing are subtle, sometimes in hints of color, or tiny but striking arrangements. It takes a certain number of hours to be able to even perceive them.
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...I see endless pictures of the senseless Madrid bombings, two hundred civilians killed by madmen for religious or pseudo-political reasons.
How strange a thing is humanity, which is capable of such horrors and yet can move rovers on an other planet and look up in awe at the pale blue dot that is Earth.
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What your seeing is the result of a slow exposure camera watching a objecting moving across the sky. It's probably the Mars Odyssey orbiter which the Rovers both use as a communications relay. You can simulate that on earth too, wait for the ISS to fly over your house, point your camera at it and leave the shutter open for a few minutes.
And a quick look at NASA's website shows that NASA think's that it's the Viking 2 orbiter, so I was close :-)
I forgot to convert from radians to degrees. The actual Earth-Moon separation as seen from Mars now is about 4 arcmin, not 4 arcsec. Still not resolvable in this wide-field image, but I thought that my trifling factor-of-60 error was worth a correction :)
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As someone who lives in Nebraska, I can tell you these pictures are far more exciting. I mean, there's HILLS on Mars!!
On a related note, I'd love to see some details such as this (i.e. view from Spirit, etc) integrated into it. I wonder how much space (no pun intended) to integrate GIS data into it? I'd be kinda neat to fly from Alaska to the Spirit rover, and since it is unlikely I'll get to do that for real, this is the next best thing.
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