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Thirty-Three States Contributed to the MATRIX

lexbaby writes "The Salt Lake Tribune has an article claiming that at least 33 states have released government and commercial records on residents to the controversial MATRIX (Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange) network instead of the originally claimed 13." Don't worry, there's plenty of RAM for all 50 and the territories too.

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  1. Avoiding trouble in the first place... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With this in mind, here are tips to help you avoid being labeled a terrorist:

    Mouth shut, eyes forward, do what you're told. Don't question authority.

    Smile for the cameras. They're everywhere and they're watching you.

    Secure all zippers, buttons, tie clips, etc. Wardrobe Malfunction isn't funny anymore, it's subversive.

    Turn in your neighbors on the slightest hint they're trouble makers. You won't get a pair a blue jeans, but you help keep your country safe.

    Pokemon: Catch 'em all, otherwise you never know where they are or what they are up to.

    Cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing to avoid Germ Warfare Terrorist label.

    Vote for the most patriotic sounding politician, no matter what their platform.

    Remember, we're all in this together.

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    1. Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... by Dalcius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WAR IS PEACE
      FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
      IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

      Please board the nearest transportation to the Ministry of Love, they are waiting to see you.

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    2. Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Mod this post up. McCarthy would be spooging himself if he were alive today.

      IIRC, McCarthy's quest began by seeking special treatment by the U.S. Army for Pvt G. David Schine, a former aide to Roy Cohn, friend and ally of McCarthy. McCarthy's list ("I have in my hand a list...") was BS, but once the lying for favoritism got going it was hard to stop and took on a life of it's own, alledging the Army was full of communist sympathisers because they refused special treatment to Schine. Pretty ugly, but today isn't quite that bad, yet.

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    3. Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well that's the wonderful thing about incredible amounts of data mining software and huge databases. You can make it that bad at much faster rate. Entire periods of historical precendent collapse under a compressed timeline. A single President can implement a police state and revoke 100 years of case law regarding privacy with a single sweep of the mouse, all in one term.

    4. Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... by ciggieposeur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn, I lost my chance to moderate just to say:

      "Fuck you."

      Nobody is forcing you to stay in America if you don't like it. America, love it or leave it fscker.

      You want to pay for my moving expenses? You want to lobby a foreign government on my behalf to grant me a visa to stay in that country?

      No? Well OK then, go shut the fuck up.

      There's LOTS of people forcing me to stay in America: my creditors, American politicians, foreign politicians, my parents, my wife's family, better-educated-than-American European citizens, poor foreign workers who don't want me to have one of the few jobs in their neck of the world. You Mr Anonymous Coward are a nitwitted dumbass who obviously has had no direct contract with foreign cultures if you think any old middle-class American family with a beef against the government can just pick up and leave. Shit I can't even get into Mexico to work at a sweatshop.

      Let me also point out the American idea that we vote for our own government misleaders, hence the government is "by the people, for the people". When you defend a totalitarian government, you point out to the entire world that you don't know shit from squat about the idealistic American Dream, and that it's YOU who don't belong here. If you had given any clue that you knew what the hell you were talking about you might have appeared to be one of the minority of Americans who know the actual brutal history of the country and the struggle of its people to create a real democracy despite the government. But you're obviously not one of those people, so again Fuck You for being a dumbass who believes in the thin blue line and will vote for the creation of a despotism in the land *I* call home.

      YOU are the non-American here, and your First Amendment right to ignorant speech ends at my property line in rural Texas. Actually not too far from the place a few ATF agents upholding a corrupt regime got their lives terminated in self-defense by some religious nuts in 1993.

      Do you Mr Anonymous Coward want me to leave America? I invite you to try and kick me out. You'll need lots of bullets.

  2. I actually run one website by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aksearch.net is a db I compiled from a few various databases the State of Alaska makes available. I have address and phone numbers for approx 98% of residents of Alaska. I also have DOB for about 5%, and voting records of all eligable voters. All available for free. Scarry huh?

  3. They're not messing around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was recently stopped by the cops (while walking) here in FL. I was stopped for crossing the street with an open container of beer on the way to my neighbor's house.

    Anyway, what was spooky about it is they were able to immediately look up my record--I got busted smoking pot at a concert about 10 years ago in NJ--literally a thousand miles away. Even though this was expunged from my record nearly ten years ago, they found out about it from their cars, without me every mentioning that I ever lived anywhere other than FL. That sucks.

    1. Re:They're not messing around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes I am also a "victim" of the system.
      A few years ago when renewing my drivers license in Nebraska I was told that I had a suspended license in the state of Florida. Hmmm I haven't been in Florida since Carter was President. I tried to fight the suspension but being a poor person (one that couldn't afford the $500 lawyer fee that was quoted) I initially threatened to turn myself in to the local authorities stating I had a warrant in the state of FL and at least get a "FREE" trip to Florida, I finally paid what was owed on the ticket and the extortion money^H^H^H^H^H reinstatement fee for the ticket only to find out that that particular person that had the outstanding warrant his physical description was no where near mine.... about 6 inches taller and he was a different color, along with having the DL number blacked out
      and I ended up paying over $200 just to get a stupid license renewal here in Nebraska.
      Makes you wonder if the tin-hat crowd is not on to something.

  4. Re:Excellent by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Whatever we need to stop these bastards. The ones who fear these things are the ones who really have something to hide. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy the Spain incident.

    I don't know if it's on the web, but there was a wonderful series of Pogo (by Walt Kelly) strips from the early 70's where Spiro Agnew (then Vice President) was portrayed (appropriately) as a hyena in military uniform. For the good of the country all suspect people were rounded up and jailed. The end result was everyone in jail except him, including his cronies and assistants.

    Sounds like history repeating itself.

    Spiro Agnew later resigned due to mounting pressure over scandal for tax evasion and bribe taking.

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  5. Re:list please! by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here is a link to the MATRIX, apparently they don't update their website information much..

    CLICKY HERE

    http://www.matrix-at.org/states.htm

    Here is the Wired article that was posted here a day or two ago, which has more info on which states are involved...

    CLICKY HERE http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,62564,00. html?tw=wn_tophead_1

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  6. Catch-22! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love this one from their FAQ: http://www.matrix-at.org/faq.htm

    If you can't access the data, how can you find the source!?

    CAN THE PUBLIC REVIEW THE MATRIX PILOT PROJECT DATA CONCERNING THEMSELVES?

    No. Members of the public cannot access individually identifiable information on themselves or others. Persons wishing to access data pertaining to themselves should communicate directly with the agency or entity that is the source of the data in question. For example, each participating state must provide a means for an individual to review and challenge the accuracy and completeness of his or her criminal history record, as authorized and required by 28 Code of Federal Regulations, Section 20.21(g).

  7. Adding injury to insult... by amigoro · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Billions of records: The trouble with MATRIX, said Calbrese, is the volume of data it contains, much of which was purchased unbeknown to states by Seisint Inc. Seisint is the Florida information-technology company that developed the idea for MATRIX and landed a $1.6 million contract with that state's Department of Law Enforcement to pilot it.

    I am guessing Mr. Ashcroft pay this out of his own pcoket. So this tax payer's money.

    Is this going to make you any safer? Doubtful.
    Is this going to make you poorer? Yes, Indirectly.
    Is this going to make Seisinit richer? Sure.
    Is this going to violate your privacy? Most Definitely.

    So you are basically paying Seisinit to take away your privacy. This is a bit like this story here. But that one is a bit more believable.

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  8. You think thats bad... by Loualbano2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Head over to this site:

    http://www.brbpub.com/pubrecsites.asp

    Free public records for all states and nationwide databases.

    I know for sure that Colorado and Wisconsin have criminal court proceedings online, effectivly putting your police record out there for anyone who knows your name or even parts of your name.

    It did come in handy for me lately, as I found out someone gave my name when they were arrested. Had this resource not be available, I may have never known. Now I have to get it off, and they don't make it easy.

    -ft

  9. The MATRIX by Vexware · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Enough with the MATRIX puns, look at the issue seriously. I live in France and had never heard of this project before, but it sure looks scary, or at least, the government not saying everything about it is.

    Can be read in the article: "We don't want our information floating out there when we don't know what's on the database or who has access to it," said Sen. Ron Allen, D-Stansbury Park. It seems the people actually involved in this do not know very much what information will be withheld, let alone the people whose information is withheld. I mean, how can you be sure what you're being told is the truth when you see that the people involved with the project do not know that much about it themselves?

    The representatives say that the MATRIX is just a way of accessing individuals' information faster, but I don't really see how this could help them to predict where and when the next terrorist attack will be -- it will only really help them once the acts are actually done, I should think.

    I'm not stating that the government are surely up to something dodgy here, and after all, perhaps they might not be lying when they say that this will allow them to get hold of currently available information faster. But I just cannot read this without an ounce of doubt that a few privacy breaches might help them to fulfill their task.

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  10. Re:Fear Sells. by Fascist+Christ · · Score: 5, Funny

    People hate terrorists. Let's make a list.

    People hate child molestors. Let's make a list.

    People hate corrupt politicians. Shhhhhh.

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  11. Remember the Florida election of 2000 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember the Florida election of 2000 when a private database company scrubbed thousands of eligible voters from the rolls? Well now one of the co-founders of Database Technologies is back in the headlines -- he's working with law enforcement agents in Florida to create what may soon expand into a national surveillance system. We talk with privacy expert Wayne Madsen, investigative reporter Greg Palast and a top intelligence official from the state of Florida.

    When is Joe Six pack going to wake up to the fact that in secret the government has conspired to create a dossier on every citzen in this country and this is who they hired to do it:

    Hank Asher then creates the MATRIX as a state level network version of the TIA office. Essentially continuing the TIA office, but freeing it from congressional oversight and federal whistleblower protections. He admits smuggling millions of dollars worth of cocaine in 1981 and 1982. Coincidentally at the time when the Iran-Contra dealings were in full swing.
    But this is only speculation. Could there be more of a link between illegal dealings between Hank Asher and the republican party? OF COURSE THERE IS!

    In 1992, Asher founded Database Technologies, which later merged with ChoicePoint. In 1999, he founded Seisint Inc. by merging two companies. He is still on Seisint's board of directors, and continues to play an active role in the company.During the 2000 presidential election ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters. But it turns out none on the list were guilty of felonies, only misdemeanors.

    So there we have it. We went from having a domestic spying agency run by a five time felon to having the same domestic spying program sans congressional oversight and whistle blower protections run by a convicted drug smuggler who has proven that he'll break the law to further the republican agenda.

    http://www.oldamericancentury.org/oh_republicans .h tm

    A Florida law enforcement data-sharing network is about to go national. In the name of counterterrorism, the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security are pouring millions of dollars into the system to expand it to local law enforcement agencies across the nation. It's called Matrix, which stands for Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange. According to the Washington Post, the computer network accesses information that has always been available to investigators but brings it together and enables police to access it with extraordinary speed. Civil liberties and privacy groups say the Matrix system dramatically increases the ability of local police to snoop on individuals.

    http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/08 /0 7/1427223

    The Florida company that built the database was founded by the man behind ChoicePoint and Database Technologies. The companies administered the contract that stripped thousands of African Americans from the Florida voter roles before the 2000 election.

    Although narrower in scope than John Poindexter's controversial Terrorist Global Information Awareness program, Matrix may serve a similar purpose because it provides unprecedented access to US residents regardless of their criminal background. And states are eager to participate in the new program. On Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security announced plans to launch a pilot program in state law enforcement data-sharing among Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and New York.

  12. Re:Fear Sells. by Chiron+Taltos · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This will sound cold, but I'd take the few hundred people dead.

    I don't believe we should surrender our civil liberties just because there are people out there willing to kill us. There have ALWAYS been people out there willing to kill us.

    French (French & Indian War)
    English (American Revolution, War of 1812)
    Ourselves (U.S. Civil War)
    Japanese (World War II)

    Why, now, is it okay to abuse our civil liberties?

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