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Wireless Alliance Touts 'Magic Touch' RFID Tech

An anonymous reader writes "Nokia, Sony and Philips have launched a new wireless technology, called Near Field Communication, that could be a threat to Bluetooth. Based on RFID, they say it will enable electronic devices to interact -- for m-commerce, file-swapping or to download info from the Web -- when touched together."

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  1. Range by rjstanford · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, unless they're very careful, it will also enable devices to communicate when they're within a couple of feet. Still, as long as the software folk treat it as "always chatting" communication, and build in the proper safeguards, rather than assuming that every conversation is spawned by a dedicated request to speak, things should be fine. This will be fun to watch.

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    1. Re:Range by wawannem · · Score: 3, Funny

      Still, as long as the software folk treat it as "always chatting" communication, and build in the proper safeguards, rather than assuming that every conversation is spawned by a dedicated request to speak, things should be fine.

      Sure... they just need to follow ethernet as an example. I mean, think about how secure and un-snoopable ethernet is, err... wait a seCARRIER DROPPED

  2. Other uses? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I implant one of these in my gf, so when I touch her, it will tell me how many guys she has been with lately?

    1. Re:Other uses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sounds like she's already getting implanted ;-)

    2. Re:Other uses? by grammaticaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... maybe it is time to dump here and become a monk.

      Please don't dump here. I just shampooed the carpet.

  3. hrmmm.. by flewp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good touch? Or bad touch?

    But really... radio-frequency identification ... Shouldn't the radio part of that imply wireless? If they have to be touched, that to me just seems like having wires. Albiet really short ones, but you get the idea.

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  4. Depressing by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny
    electronic devices to interact ... when touched together

    So now your electronics can get more than you do. How depressing is that?

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  5. Finally reliable wireless tech... by tbase · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and all you have to do is touch a "male" and a matching "female" "connector" together.

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    1. Re:Finally reliable wireless tech... by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right, and when you want the devices to communicate but they are too far apart, you can get a "touch extender" which is an insulated length of flexible drawn copper.

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  6. advantage? by SkunkPussy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the article doesn't make clear what (if any) advantage this system posesses over bluetooth?
    Is this product announcement just capitalising on negative bluetooth security publicity and the RFID buzzword, or is there more to it than that?

    As bluetooth is already in millions of devices, it seems churlish to ignore this.

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    1. Re:advantage? by pldms · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the summary is simply wrong. The article doesn't say it's a threat, for example:

      While NFC will handle identification of users through RFID, it appears that wireless protocols such as Bluetooth or Wi-Fi will still be used for the data transfer.

      ""NFC won't replace Bluetooth or infrared"

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    2. Re:advantage? by walt-sjc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you RTFA (which the submitter didn't do obviously) you find out that this technology still uses WiFi or Bluetooth or other wireless technology to communicate.

  7. Hmm... by Huxley_Dunsany · · Score: 3, Funny
    Given that a lot of nerds have a rep as being creepy 30-something guys who live in basements, maybe calling the next big thing "Magic Touch" isn't such a good idea...

    Just a thought.

    Huxley

  8. Not a threat to Bluetooth by andrew_0812 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article claims that this is not competition for Bluetooth, IR, or Wi-Fi. Unlike what the summary claims.

  9. different from Bluetooth by hak1du · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bluetooth has a usable range up to 300ft (there are also specs for 30ft and 3ft); it is commonly used for laptops and handhelds to connect to modems, printers, GPS receivers, and access points from across the room. Something that has a range of only a foot or so won't compete there.

    I don't see much use for these new short-range wireless technologies--they aren't short-range enough to use their range limitations for security, and they aren't long-range enough to move into Bluetooth territory. Furthermore, there are short-range versions of Bluetooth.

    For secure communications, IrDA would still be a better choice. For anything else, you might as well use Bluetooth.

    But, hey, with enough marketing and sales muscle, these companies will probably manage to force another proprietary standard upon us, whether it is a good idea or not.

  10. RIAA as chaperones by taniwha · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can just imagine it now RIAA chaperones on every street corner making sure there's no touching and p2p file exchange ...

  11. Replace bluetooth?! by tfoss · · Score: 4, Informative
    Apparently even the poster didn't RTFA. From the submission:

    called Near Field Communication, that could be a threat to Bluetooth.

    But in the article it states clearly:

    While NFC will handle identification of users through RFID, it appears that wireless protocols such as Bluetooth or Wi-Fi will still be used for the data transfer.

    "NFC won't replace Bluetooth or infrared. This is a new paradigm based on touching, and it will complement these existing wireless technologies," a NFC spokesman explained.

    -Ted

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  12. I can see it now... by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wasn't trying to sexually harass her, I was just scanning her ports!!

    sooo many meanings for that, well two or three at least...

  13. It's quite easy to limit the range. by Serious+Simon · · Score: 3, Interesting
    With inductive loop antennas such as used for low/medium frequency RFID and this technology, the magnetic field strength drops off by approximately the third power of the distance.

    So, with a very sensitive receivers you might be able to eavesdrop at maybe twice the intended distance but that will be about it.

  14. no more pushing buttons... by Dever · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, instead of pushing a button to automatically sync our devices, we'll just touch them. oh, ok, that's just lightyears ahead of anything we could *ever* do today...
    Besides not having a damn thing to do with being a problem for bluetooth or wifi (do submitters read the articles? i thought we just didn't...) how is waving my phone at a movie poster going to buy me a ticket? Am i going to end up buying a bunch of cars, jackets and vietnamese girls when i walk downtown and go buy some food at a market? Sounds like i'll really have to configure it, go through a few dialogue boxes perhaps and do the usual thang i do today, as far as electronic device convenience goes. not to mention, it's not like anyone will ever have the proper convergence/convenience to actually make it doable to wave your phone at more than a few places and have it do something useful.

    For these things to work as advertised they're going to need to saturate the shit out of the market, so businesses will want to use them *everywhere*. They'll need to come with everything, cheaply I think, for it to become some easy to use super gadget opportunity.

    WIll that happen? probably not. Perhaps it will be tied in greatly with home elctronics, and personal gadgets, but it will probably be nowhere as ubiquitous (ubi..ubu...ubo...damn) as credit cards, and i doubt it will bridge the gap from bluetooth+ that it looks like it will reside in to super convenience.

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  15. That is not harassment by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was not grabbing her ass, I was giving her my telephone number and resume for a job.

  16. passive interaction by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They also claim the technology will revolutionise the way people interact with their environment.

    Blabitty bla bla. Show me the flying cars and renewable energy sources. Until then, I'll interact with my environment how and when I want to. ...or they could just wave their NFC phone at a smart film poster to automatically buy a ticket.

    Great! Shorter lines at the movie theatre. You all go waive your phones at inanimate objects. I'll go talk to a real person. What about checking for the age of the ticket purchaser? oh yeah, your soon to be mandatory government ID will have that info in an RFID tag as well.

    Alternatively, it could help a user to use their mobile phone as an e-wallet.

    wonderfull! now a theif can just waive my wallet in front of a smart billboard and buy anything he wants? need two forms of RFID for that purchase? lucky him, he just stole my cellphone too.

    yeah yeah, you say i have a nice origami tinfoil hat on. But what exactly are these "innovations" doing for society? It's cool that this stuff can technically be done. It doesn't mean it should permeate our entire daily lives.

    From the story submission: "called Near Field Communication, that could be a threat to Bluetooth."
    From the article: "NFC won't replace Bluetooth or infrared."

    way to go editors! way to go A.C. who submitted the story! jeebus, if people could be honest, truthfull and accountable this world would be such a better place.

  17. I already see... by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 3, Funny

    My to be born kids assembling together the house toaster, microwave oven and TV sets in order to form a giant-robot that has 3 times the wireless bandwidth capability of the devices standing alone.

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  18. Illegal use by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, when this technology is used for nefarious purposes, will it be called "bad touch"?

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