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Toshiba's Wristwatch PDA

pdawerks says "Toshiba has previewed what it calls a Wristwatch PDA, which it considers to be very popular in future. According to MobileMag and BBC News, the device will provide the functionality of a high-end PDA in a comparatively small and handy form factor. It features a wide hi-definition display, integrated Wi-Fi and Bluetooth wireless networking and is perfectly suited for videophone conferences. The concept also sports voice recognition, which allows you to simply talk to your Wristwatch PDA."

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  1. My question is this by revolvement · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When is enough, enough?(When it comes to size factor) With PDAs, how small can you have them until they're no longer functionable?

    1. Re:My question is this by lanswitch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      as long as you can read the screen, i guess.

    2. Re:My question is this by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      . --- this big

      and even then, they could store files, which you retrieve by bluetooth. think about the espionage value!

    3. Re:My question is this by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny
      My question is:

      Could you wear this thing, and still get a date?

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    4. Re:My question is this by cygnus · · Score: 2, Funny
      Could you wear this thing, and still get a date?
      yes, but only with Leela, from Futurama.

      if cyclops chicks with purple hair aren't your thing, you're SOL.

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    5. Re:My question is this by Brian+Dennehy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could you wear this thing, and still get a date?

      Well, yes. It'll tell you the time and the date!

  2. Contradiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyobody else thinks "small and handy form factor." and "a wide hi-definition display" contradict each other? What use is a high resolution display if it's so small?

    1. Re:Contradiction? by PhotoBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It does look a bit bulky, then again I still wear my "bulky" Casio Databank watch, I'd be lost without it. Although in comparison it's a tiny watch. If everyone is wearing something that big I might be persuaded but it looks delicate too, one clumsy swing of the arm could result in a broken screen...

      I've looked for possible replacesments to my Casio Databank lots of times, but things like the (now cancelled) Fossil PDA watch and this can't seem to match the battery life of my trusty Casio (currently 5 years compared to the Fossil's 4 days).

      It's true these newer "watches" have CPU's and screens that provide flexibility for other applications, but I can't see them being that much better at reminding me when Eastenders is on, what time it is in France or even retrieving a phone number. Which is all I really want from a watch to be honest. And the Casio is decidedly smaller and more resistent to the odd bang too.

      That said this old watch isn't going to last forever, and I don't like the current Databank watches- it seems the new ones only allow a stingy 8 characters to be entered per reminder or contact; compared to the "huge" 16 of my current watch. You'd think they'd add more space not less! :)

      To paraphrase the immortal Douglas Adams, I still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

    2. Re:Contradiction? by torpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw the Motorola Linux phone at CeBIT, and I thought the same thing until I saw video's and TV shows being played on it ... I'd quite happily carry around a high-definition capable player in my pocket, if it doubles as a cell phone, media player, and PDA.

      Seems thats the direction its going ... and btw, the Mot phone ws -superb- ... soon as its available in my market, I'll get one.

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    3. Re:Contradiction? by ceeam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not _too_ small (you clicked the link, did you?).
      FYI: the screen size on 7650/3650/3660 Nokias is 43x37mm (IIRC). Looks ok to be used in watches (bar other problems, like power consumption and stuff). And those smartphones are considered pretty useful by many.

  3. Point of diminishing returns? by Zathras26 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Smaller and lighter is usually a good thing with mobile devices, but doesn't there come a point when you've gone too far? In particular, with a wristwatch PDA, I'd be concerned that the screen is too small to be useful -- even on a regular-size PDA, I sometimes feel "cramped".

    1. Re:Point of diminishing returns? by Sheridan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I totally agree. I'm a PocketPC user, and that is just about the right form factor for me (it makes an excellent chess companion ;-)...

      For basic contact/appointment stuff, I usually rely on my mobile phone.

      If anything I'd probably prefer something slightly larger than the PocketPC form factor for the roles I use it for - a 640x480 screen (as on the new Zaurus) would be nice for digital photo browsing - and a built-in ethernet port would be great (I already have a foldable keyboard). It would make the ideal quick ssh terminal in that case. (I know you can get ethernet CF cards, but those things are too expensive... even the 802.11b wireless CF that I use in it at home is half the price of the cheapest wired ethernet CF I've seen!). Likewise, a serial connection would make it into an extremely useful mobile console in the datacentre server rooms.

      (The more I read the above, the more it looks like a miniature laptop is what I'm after... or the venerable Psion 5).

  4. But, but, but... by Blahbbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, It's HUGE! No one wants a monstrosity like that on their wrist.

    1. Re:But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think this product would sell more if they marketed it as a form of reliable birth control.

  5. ironic by tobes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't wear my watch anymore since I find it more discrete to just keep a cell phone/pda in my pocket and whip it out when I need to know what time it is.

    I think the watch form factor was just fine when time was the only portable function. Once you start adding other features it really pays to have more interface options.

    1. Re:ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I reach in my pocket and whip it out you know what time it is...

    2. Re:ironic by slash_fossils · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Same here. There was a time when I was in a gadget war of sorts with my buddies, to see whose watch could do more things (early 80's). But once it reached the full blown scientific calculator stage, we just stopped. I did try the TV remote thing but ended up bringing the thing back.

      Now I don't even wear a watch. My phone/pda can tell me the time or I just look at the computer screen in front of me.

      The plastic wristband of my watch would get me all uncomfortably sweaty. By the looks of that chunk of plastic Toshiba wants me to wear, I'm just about getting a rash thinking about wearing it!

    3. Re:ironic by Ugmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't wear my watch anymore since I find it more discrete to just keep a cell phone/pda in my pocket and whip it out when I need to know what time it is.

      I really think that a good form factor for a PDA or some kind of electronic device is the old Pocket Watch on a chain.

      Make the case out of some light weight metal or gold at the high end and have a mall screen in one end of the clamshell and a key pad at the other. With bluetooth you could also have a headset seperate from the PDA/phone. The pcoket chain could double as an antenna and the phob (the hunk of metal at the end of the chain that stays in your pocket) could be the battery/power supply.

      I wish some jewerly designer/watch company would team up with a PDA/Cell Phone company and make one.

  6. And the expected lifespan is... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About two days, before you smash your wrist into desk or corner as you're walking, and little pieces of LCD dribble down your arm.

    "No, the screen is not warrantied against accidental damage."

    And the device is not suit-compatible. Great for t-shirts, lousy with long sleeves.

    Needs more work.

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    1. Re:And the expected lifespan is... by levell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say it is suit compatible but not t-shirt compatible. It looks pretty ugly; I think most people would prefer to have it hidden and just pull up their sleeve to use it.

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    2. Re:And the expected lifespan is... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you are also missing one other important point.. if it is not WATERPROOF then it is an absolute piece of crud.

      The human body is a very hostile place to be for electronics, if it lives on your arm, it had better be waterproof, almost bulletproof, scratchproof (why do you think that a good watch crystal is made out of a super hard scratch resistan material?) and breathe easily where it touches the human. I wont grab my cellphone in the middle of a downpour, but I wont think of covering my arm.. also what about when I wash my hands? get drunk and puke all over myself? etc....

      EVERY single device that resides on your wrist or finger has to bee shockproof and waterproof, and these designers are obviousally not smart enough to realize that.

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  7. Doubles as a wrist brace by chia_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did you see how big that thing was? I don't expect it to be tiny, but it doesn't look like you'd be able to move your wrist at all with that thing. It stretches from your wrist to your elbow! Soon we'll see all the skaters wearing it as wrist protection.

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  8. Torpedo by compbrain · · Score: 2, Funny

    All those in favor of wearing a grey and blue torpedo on their wrists and calling it a PDA, say I. In other news you can buy a nice pocket sized device that wont make you look so odd when you check the time....

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  9. strappinga PDA to your wrist does not a Watch make by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    is a "watch" now defined by strapping anything to your wrist that can tell the time ?

    this sure doesnt look like in the same category as Rolex,Cartier or even a Casio i would argue this is a wrist mount for a PDA not a Watch

  10. Hmmzz.. night rider? by Core-Dump · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kit!!

    Yes Michael?

    Come and get me...

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  11. Re:Watches suck by atam · · Score: 2, Funny

    A clock in the desert? In the middle of Amazon jungle?

  12. Pics by amembleton · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC have some nice pics of this device.

    One big problem I can see is that it will affect your wrist movements making it uncomfortable to wear in every day use. A mobile phone (they're becoming more and more like PDAs) is a discreet device that you can hide in your pocket and doesn't look so 'weird'. I don't think this will take off. I don't think there will be a market for such a thing because people want to look good. Also this thing will be prone to getting scratched and damaged with everyday wear.

  13. Battery life.. by toesate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Battery life is the important question, imho.

    You don't want a waist PDA spec-ed out so good to be true that you have to carry the spare power source in your other pocket.

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  14. Progressing to wearable by stecoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few have written about diminishing returns in terms of size, but these are the future.

    Soon as Bluetooth can stream video and sunglasses have video monitor then theses devices will show a logical step towards the future. PDA will become wrist computers; later fully wearable computers with sunglasses to rival plasma screens. After that, who knows (only progress will tell)?

    By the way; I put on a 3d simulation helmet the other day - not quite fashionable but a step in the direction of wearable.

    1. Re:Progressing to wearable by stecoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      I first read about eyeglasses displays on a web page at MIT http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/

      A commercial company you can buy a wearable display http://www.microoptical.net/Products/HomePage.html

      I didn't think about the sickness - but on a arcade game or a PDA it would be great.

  15. God, No! by dnaboy · · Score: 4, Informative
    I, personally have had a love hate affair with PDAs for years. The thing that finally broke me was a BlackBerry. I lived and died by that thing, but what made me realize I had problems was when I couldn't use it, such as in airplanes and, still to this day, often hospitals (where I spend a decent amount of time for work). I would find myself, perhaps not so covertly huddled up in a window seat trying to time when we'd be above chicago to try to get signal (which I'm absolutely serious does work, if only long enough to get a message in or out between dropping connections).

    I was an addict.

    Anyway, long story short, went cold turkey. Cancelled my service, gave the blackberry to a friend, and have gone au natural for the last couple years. I'm finally happy and unbound from the tethers of wireless email (ironic, eh...).

    The thought of something hanging on my wrist to give me email, web, and IM anywhere anytime scares the crap out of me.

    Never in a million years!

    OK- I'm done...

  16. All is revealed... by Stopmotioncleaverman · · Score: 5, Funny

    So THAT'S what Leela had on her wrist all the way through Futurama...:)

  17. Re:strappinga PDA to your wrist does not a Watch m by jonjohnson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, yes it is. Definition

    Watch n. (...) 8. A small portable timepiece, especially one worn on the wrist or carried in the pocket.

  18. Pluses and minuses by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I looked at the device, and like and computer, what will make or break is "killer" aps.

    For the PDA I have now, the killer ap is the blood meter add-on module. Combine this sucker with the sweat based blood meter device I read about a year ago or so, and you might have a rela interesting device.

    Make the casing waterproof to 300 feet, and add a sensor and it might replace several radio dive computers (Like the Aladin Air Z O2 that I already have). (www.uwatec.com)

    At the very least, it would almost surely need a screen protector, to protect it from getting clobbered.

    I think I'll reserve judgement until I get more data on it.

  19. And this is why device convergence is bad... by hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And this, my dear friends, is why device convergence is, and has always been, a bad idea.

    Not only do you get coupled to one device, vendor, or service (think Treo600 + Sprint cell service), but you can't decouple parts of the hardware to improve it as technology advances.

    • Built-in 802.11b WiFi. Oops, now 802.11g is the standard, and your device is no longer current.
    • USB 1.1 capable. Oops, now USB 2.0 and later is the standard, and your device is no longer current.
    • Want to get another Bluetooth headset to use with your PDA? Sorry, this one is built-in, and you can't connect any others. You can buy a new device though...

    Device convergence is a bad, bad bad idea. The technology (Bluetooth for example) was originally proposed to "connect devices together". It does nothing of the sort, when your devices are converged.

    I'd love to see a PDA, with a Bluetooth attachment, talking to a cellphone (bluetooth enabled, either internally or via attachment), talking to a bluetooth-enabled laptop/desktop, and so on. If you decide to upgrade your phone, the rest of the devices still keep working perfectly. It is the Unix philosophy. Replace one small part, and the process keeps working. You don't have to rip everything out and replace it all, because one small part merits an upgrade.

    What do you do when you want to upgrade a portion of this watch's capabilities? Throw it out and get a new one? Unacceptable.

    This goes for PDAs with phones, or phones with PDAs built into them. Either you get:

    • A "big" phone, capable of holding a useful PDA screen and keyboard, which can no longer be comforatably worn on a belt or in a pocket, or..
    • A "tiny" PDA, with an equally "tiny" keyboard to tap on to type in messages, with a screen you have to squint at to read.

    Building a PDA into a wristwatch, while at first seems "cool", in the real world of practical devices and people who use this technology, is an incredibly bad idea.. especially at this size.

    ...and I hope most of the technology in it is buit around some sort of updatable firmware, so you can update the OS, apps, and other software bits to help it remain compatible with other technology.

    I want my existing, bought-this-year devices to work with current technology. I don't want to have to throw them all away and replace every part, just to get a new connectivity option.

    Hrmph!

    1. Re:And this is why device convergence is bad... by hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Ooops, technical standards improve next year? What! Just buy a new gadget every year or so."

      Don't fall into this trap. This is exactly what these vendors want you to do.

      Remember when CDs used to last 50-100 years? Do you know why they don't last that long now? Because vendors decided to reduce their production costs by not adding the additional layer of plastic on the CD, preventing oxidation. Now CDs last 5-10 years, and cost 1/2 as much. Hence, you just go out and buy a new CD, rip your old one to the new one, and throw away the old one. You're caught in the "leasing" model of technology, which is exactly where the vendors want you to be. If they made products that lasted, they'd put themselves out of business. It happens with CDs, DVDs, players, cars, and lots of other technology.

      What about all of the other technology which is engineered to "degrade" in a very specific timeframe? You simply go out and repurchase a replacement, and move on. People don't seem to have a problem with this. But I do. Technology shouldn't "expire". It is happening all over the place.

      Just because it is cheaper, doesn't mean you should have to go out and buy a new one every 2 years. After 10 replacements at 49.95, you've purchased the equivalent of that $499.95 device that should have lasted just that long in the first place.

  20. This thing is JUST like the Nokia Communicator by Phekko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think about it. It's WAY too big to be a wristwatch (Comminicator is too big to be a phone, IMHO) and it probably costs quite a pretty penny, too. Probably in a similar fashion there'll be that small group of people who will want one and who think they just couldn't live without one.... and then they smash it against a sharp corner or something ;)

    Seriously, PDA screens are fragile things and wrists constantly bumb into stuff. I don't think there would be any way for someone to convince me to buy one of these, not after I've had a look at the Palm graveyard (Here's a link)

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  21. Time Travelers by banzai75 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...which it considers to be very popular in future.

    This is what happens when a marketer gets hold of a time machine. They don't travel to the future to find the cure for cancer or aids, they travel to the future to see if their latest line of watches are popular. Bastards.

  22. Re:Doubles as a wrist brace...until by OceanBarb · · Score: 2, Funny


    Turns ordinary falls into fractures....

    Exacerbates carpal tunnel syndrome....

    Gets caught on stair rails and pulls your arm out of socket.....

    yes, this is the fashion accessory I need!

  23. Can be smaller | Interface| Always on hand matters by jago25_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They could be smaller.

    Using an audio interface you could nearly have no limit on how small it is. Especially if you off processing power to a remote location.

    Some people can be terminally forgetful you know, such as me. I'd sacrifice my pride for help remembering things.

    Key things:

    - INTERFACE is still the problem. Really you need something that interfaces directly with the brain conciousness - a proper memory expansion. HUD glasses and handwriting recignition as good as M$ Windows would be a jump forward methinks. In fact even if this watch thing has good handwriting recognition that works in sentances I'd consider it.

    - ALWAYS AVAILABLE. This is why mobiles tend to get used. No point having a PDA if you don't take it everywhere with you. Question: other than a watch what else do you keep with you at all times, such in the gym?

  24. No, Battlestar Galactica... by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the part of the serie when they were in Earth they had communicators/arm computers that covered half of the arm. Not remember now the details, but wonder how much they look or like this model.

  25. Total vaporware by Shoten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This doesn't even show a picture of a solid object,instead just giving an artist's rendition...based on that we could just as easily say that Toshiba is coming out with an X-Wing fighter. There wasn't any indication that there's any software written yet either; the original article note that they used a screenshot from PalmOS. I'd me a lot more impressed if they had ANYTHING besides a "gee, wouldn't it be nice if..." concept.

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  26. It doesn't matter anymore by michaelmalak · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The world of high-tech wristwatches is mostly vapor, vapor, vapor. It took 16 years after the 1983 Casio CFX-200 Scientific Watch (that could do trig and parentheses) until a more advanced watch became actually available, the 1999 On-Hand PC, which runs a variant of DOS.

    Will the Toshiba actually reach the wrist of Slashdot user? It doesn't matter anymore, because of the invention of a little piece of plastic: the cell-phone belt clip. While wearing a PalmPilot makes one a first-class geek, even women now wear cell phones on their belts. The cell phone is the new standard for socially acceptable portable computing, not the Dick Tracy wristwatch.

    All thanks to a little piece of plastic.

  27. Talk to your wrist? by Cloud+K · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Down and Safe, Liberator. I expect one of the villains to conveniently steal my bracelet in around 15 minutes."

    Seriously though, would this ever take off? I think it'd fail due to looking goofy, somewhat like VR headsets did.

    However, it's feasible through other input methods like say... a finger. I remember looking a little daft in the 80s operating a calculator watch, but at least it's not as bad as talking to it... :)

  28. Here's my 1977 version by Henry+Melton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for the one I used in a 1977 science fiction story. Don't laugh too loudly at my version of the internet. http://www.io.com/~hmelton/stories/opus18.html

  29. They should ask FOSSIL how their 'wrist PDA' sells by snic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was discontinued before it reached market I believe.

  30. stupid. by senatorpjt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it's just me, but I feel incredibly stupid trying to use voice-recognition in public.

    The need for all this stuff would vanish if it somehow became socially acceptable for men to carry purses...