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Delta 2 Rocket Launches 50th GPS Satellite

wetshoe writes "This CNN article reports that 'the 50th U.S. Global Positioning Satellite has lifted off aboard a Boeing Delta 2 rocket.' It was sent into space to replace an aging GPS satellite. One more reason why geocaching is so much fun."

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  1. Geocaching by rkz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    My enjoyment everyday comes in the form of looking forward to the weekend when I spend my free time geocaching with my friends or myself.

    Its just you (and maybe some friends), no real pressure. Plus its an actual trek (ranges from in-city, to some caches are ones that need Scuba or moutain gear or whatever).

    And with geocaching you've just got your GPS, a compass, and maybe a topographic map (if you can get one). None of this fancy cell phones with internet to tell you answers stuff ;-)

    1. Re:Geocaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find it funny that someone carrying a GPS would decry a cell phone user getting answers. How about dropping the GPS and using a compass and topo map ONLY?

  2. No info on satellite by doormat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesnt say if this is capable of GPS-2 or whatever its called. As someone who uses GPS to manage infrastructure, I'd like to see some more precise GPS without having to spend $20,000 on Trimble or Leica equipment.

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    1. Re:No info on satellite by Ageless+Stranger · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, No. SA has been turned off since the Clinton administration and hasn't been turned back on. Ten feet or so is the best accuracy you're going to get without using differential gps.

  3. Re:TinFoil by fm6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you ever thought that conspiracy theories are a conspiracy to make you buy tin foil? I'd worry about why it itches!

  4. Kudos to the US by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm well aware that the EU has plans of a GPS type system, however it does seem a bit unfair that the United States foots the bill for virtually the entire world's navigation system. While the system is primarily there for military means, the US could have encrypted the system from day one to avoid non-military use (which is what many other nations would do), or have offered decryption codes to US organizations to give them a competitive advantage. Instead they've offered it free of charge worldwide, even turning selective availability off so that geocaching adventure is even less of an adventure. Perhaps there's an insidius underlying motive (for example getting the world hooked on GPS while keeping their finger on the conceptual power button), but overall it's a praiseworthy thing they've done.

    1. Re:Kudos to the US by gnuman99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe because the US can manipulate it? If a rogue nation's army is trying to get to point A using GPS, the US might direct it to trap B instead :)

    2. Re:Kudos to the US by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Informative

      the US could have encrypted the system from day one

      it was encrypted from day one. they just recently changed it. (which is good and makes the rest of your post true and insightful)

    3. Re:Kudos to the US by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 4, Informative

      all the sattelites do is send out signals of what time it is. they all have atomic clocks on board and just send it out. each device knows where the sattelites are (if i'm not mistaken, either they know or they ALSO send out a signal of where they are, but how are they supposed to know where they are? GPS?) last i heard there were 26 or 27 sattelites operating (50 is how many have ever existed, i'm guessing). So your GPS device also has a clock on it, and it gets a signal from 3 or 4 sattelites (4th for altitude if you want it, or more just for more accuracy) and it compares the time to its own and this way it can know exactly how far away each sattelite is, and it triangulates its position. The clocks work in hundredths of seconds, but the recievers can make these times more accurate by looking at when each hundredth of a second starts and ends blah blah blah. it's a lot more simple than you would think if you just learned about them.

    4. Re:Kudos to the US by pe1rxq · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually Russia already has its own system... (From the cold war era) called glonas.

      Jeroen

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    5. Re:Kudos to the US by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite:

      The US offered two levels of GPS; one was encrypted and only available to the military; one was unencrypted but had something called "Selective Availability" (SA) turned on which decreased the accuracy by 200-300ft.

      Recently, they have turned off one of the two SA inaccuracies. The military (encrypted) signal is still more accurate (~10 feet), but now the public signal is valid to ~30 feet.

    6. Re:Kudos to the US by grotgrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes (it has two s' - Glonass). My point wasn't that other sources (Europe, Russia) have their own, but that the US has been very proactive in trying to prevent widespread use of them. The aviation press has a lot of information about this.

      I have no issue with the US campaigning to prevent widespread use of the other systems, but I am not going to turn around and thank the US for being so magnanimous when in fact they are advancing their own agenda.

    7. Re:Kudos to the US by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are multiple bits of information buried in the data.

      There is the carrier frequency.

      Then each satellite has a specific identifying signal for each channel called a psuedo random number.

      Then, it layers in a telemetry data packet as part of the actual data transmitted

      http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/g ps /gps_f.html

    8. Re:Kudos to the US by Ribald · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, and GLONASS sucks. Maybe even 'sucked'--I'm not sure it's still operational in any useful capacity. As I recall (I'm going from memory here), the GLONASS constellation was optimized for high latitudes--probably a Molniya orbit, or something similar. Anyway, it's more work than just putting them in a half-sync orbit like the NAVSTAR constellation for GPS.

      I know a guy that was with Space Command, working GPS since the early days. He met some Soviet Major (or something) at a conference once, years later. The guy related that his tank had both a GPS and a GLONASS reciever installed. His description of each?

      "GPS--very very good. GLONASS--dogshit."

      My biggest problems with GALILEO?

      First, the levels of precision--the stuff they're givng their police and EMS are on par with what our military has under lock and key. Which sounds harder to steal? (This may not be an issue now--been a long time since I read that.)

      Second (and more importantly), it's going to be expensive. As soon as the system is working, the EU is going to require anyone that wants to use GNSS for navigation to use GALILEO instead of GPS. Some requirement about 'safety' or somesuch. And they'll tax all the receivers. And charge for each approach (I'm told they charge you for about all they can in the European airspace system--approaches, wx reports...).

      Just wait. I guarantee you it will happen. Anyone flying over Europe will have to buy a GALILEO receiver. I'd bet Collins and Trimble are already lining up dual-system receivers.

      --Ribald

  5. Internet too. by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have our moments.

  6. Re:space junk? by daraf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure how much fuel is required to break orbit and send a satellite to the sun, but I'm pretty sure that an old GPS I satellite doesn't have it. It's easier just to slow the satellite down a bit so it burns up in the atmosphere as it falls to earth, which is what they do. Every US Air Force satellite that goes up nowadays has some sort of end-of-life plan.

  7. Re:OFF TOPIC? by Eevee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's off topic because it's a GPS launch, not a recon sat launch.

    It's also more than a bit stupid because a Delta II isn't a heavy SLV (space launch vehicle) and a GPS satellite weighs a significant chunck of the possible lauch weight. (The article didn't say what model GPS sat was launched, but assuming it was the newest model, the IIF, then the Delta II couldn't handle two of them, let alone one of the NRO's monster satellites.) If I can look up the sat weight (3758 lbs) and the Delta II lauch capacity (4971 for the configuration used) in under five minutes, then he can look it up too.

  8. er? by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Geocaching is fun because they replace old GPS satellites with new ones? wtf?

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    1. Re:er? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Geocaching is fun because they replace old GPS satellites with new ones? wtf?

      I thought that was a strange comment myself, but then considered that perhaps they have no real life or friends. Looking forward to the next satellite replacement might be what gets this person through the day.

      yay! new satellite!

  9. oh sorry... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 4, Funny

    if there is any one appropriate physical activity appropriate for geeks

    stop right there; short circuit the rest of the statement.

    1. Re:oh sorry... by !3ren · · Score: 3, Funny

      obviously the only physical activity appropriate for geeks is.... physics

  10. Geocaching by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the GPS satellites make geocaching *possible*? Whether or not it's fun has little to do with a rocket launching a satellite. Of course, you could say that it wouldn't be fun at all without a GPS system, since you'd have to navigate with less convenient methods. :)

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  11. Space Junk, paying the bill, etc, etc by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Informative


    First.. Space Junk.

    GPS is launched into an orbit some 12,000 miles above the Earth's surface. That orbit has a grand total of about 50 satellites split into 6 different, non-overlapping planes and slightly different altitudes. There are very, very few satellites that go out that far and none have a circular orbit within a few hundred miles of the GPS satellites. Very, very little chance of a collision.

    Also, from that height, the satellites lack enough fuel to deorbit or be sent into the sun. In 1992, my Univ of Colorado aerospace engineering lab went down to the control center and we had a nice tour. I asked the officer giving the brief if they intended to establish some sort of parking orbit for dying satellies as they get phased out. He indicated that it was something they would consider as the constellation gets built out.

    Secondly..

    Paying the bill.

    GPS was encrypted from Day 1. The lower resolution receivers we use just are allowed to decrypt the satellites. It is very difficult to get the higher resolution channel.

    The US government is perfectly willing to let the other countries contribute to the costs associated with running GPS.

    But..

    You might want to consider why the other countries are willing to spend billions on a redundant system rather than pay into GPS or use it for free.

    When someone spend billions rather than use a free service, something is up.

    The US military adamantly refuses to free any of the control of the system up. It is a US *military* asset. As such, it has military utility. They have completely thrown off the commercial channels in the past while engaging in military activities in a region by jiggering with the output to cause the locations to be off. (They can also turn off all the commercial channels on satellites flying over Afghanistan, then turn them back on before the reach the US, for example).

    The rest of the world seems to have some qualms about handing the world's major navigation system to a single provider, for some reason.

  12. Some math by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article says the satellite costs $45 million. I Googled a bit and found that the launch cost for a Delta 2 is around $50 to $60 million. The article also said the satellite being replaced is 11 years old, and at the end of its useful life, and that there are 50 GPS satellites.

    Crunching the numbers, we have about $105 million to put up a GPS satellite, with about 11 useful years; call it $10 million per year. Multiplying by 50 satellites, we have $500 million per year cost for GPS. I never knew. Also, on average, each year 4 or 5 launches must happen to replace aging GPS satellites.

    Note that the launch costs are actually higher than the cost of the satellite. Also, the satellite could probably be made more cheaply if launch costs were lower (instead of over-engineering it to never break, they might just launch a cluster of two in the same orbit, or just design it to be easily repaired). If and when private companies build reusable spacecraft that can carry a GPS satellite, the cost of GPS will go down a lot. A Boeing Delta 2 is completely used up in each GPS launch right now, so truly reusable spacecraft should be able to dramatically cut launch costs and still make money.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Some math by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm, you aren't counting right.

      That's the 50th satellite launched. That means $105m * 50 over the entire life of the GPS project.

      IIRC, there are only 26 operating satellites, give or take.

      Honestly though, do you believe the gov pays $105m for each satellite in orbit? There are plenty of ways for them to get their money back.

  13. there is a simple explanation by QEDog · · Score: 5, Funny
    Geocaching is fun because they replace old GPS satellites with new ones?

    I think he just hid his cache in the satellite before it went up. Darn, that is going to be hard to get.

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  15. More like... Shame on US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm well aware that the EU has plans of a GPS type system, however it does seem a bit unfair that the United States foots the bill for virtually the entire world's navigation system.

    How naive of you.

    US, and specifically those who wrote and otherwise endorsed PNAC have been doing everything possible to stop the development/deployment of Galileo - GNSS (EU GPS initiative). US isn't providing the rest of the world with global navigation technology out of its heart's content. It's a tool which gives corporate interests as well as military complex a dominant role. There are billions of dollars involved ($12bn and growing), as well as geo-political element of control. Imagine if there was a conflict between China and US in the next decade. Do you honestly believe Pentagon would let the Chinese to utilize GPS in order to strike US targets?

    Paul Wolfowitz was one of those people who was (and still is) opposed to any kind of GPS which isn't under direct jurisdiction of United States. Now that the deal has been reached, it leaves no choice for the hawks to accept the fact that US GPS hegemony will be broken in few years. Competition helps everyone.

    There is also the commercial aspect to it. Galileo, once fully operational by 2007, would suck a huge amount of revenue from GPS. US officials had many reasons to stifle competition in order to ensure GPS monopoly.

    Read the paper on detailing some of the drama and US' sabotage of EU independent GPS system here
  16. Re:Purely a temporary glitch by thedillybar · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's the 50th launch of a GPS satellite.

    Get over the ambiguous wording.

  17. Re:space junk? by nautical9 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Personally, I've never understood the folks who are worried about space junk/clutter. Consider:
    • it's three dimensional space (different sat's orbit at different altitudes)
    • the imaginary "surface area" for any given orbital altitude is much larger than that of the Earth (and the Earth is really incredibly large, especially when you include the 70% that's the oceans, and the fact a typical satellite or other "space junk" is smaller than a yugo).
    • that all sats' orbits will decay over time, either inward or outward (and really, any sat with a normal decay rate typically won't be around longer than 10 years, sometimes all it takes is a few days or weeks if they can intentionally alter its speed). It's actually quite hard (ie. takes a lot of small course corrections) to keep a sat in perfect orbit.
    • that it's really expensive to put stuff up there, so as a result there really isn't that much physical man-made junk currently in orbit.
    When you visit a site that tracks the orbits of various satellites, it can appear to a layman that there's a whole bunch of stuff up there, but that's usually because each sat is shown as a big blinking dot over a tiny map of the earth. If viewed to scale, of course that dot wouldn't be visible until you zoomed the map in to where you could see cars on the street.

    The only problem is that the space junk can be traveling a few hundred mph relative to each other, so it can make for some pretty spectacular collisions should it ever happen (and its been speculated that certain impressions and chips in the Hubble, for example, were caused by "paint chips", although I'd speculate it's just comet dust or other natural space debris).

    But really, the odds of two bigger-than-a-breadbox man-made objects colliding in orbit has to be astronomically small (forgive the pun). I just don't get what the big fuss is about.

  18. To Clear up some things.... by spankus · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. GPS satellites have never "degraded" service over an area. Anyone who says so, doesn't have the right data, or has been smoking the ganja a little bit too much. To anyone who doubts this...How bad do you think the PR would be if GPS was unable to be used for airline navigation, or search and rescue, or worse than that caused some crash?

    2. The satellite launched was a Block IIR vehicle. Block IIR-M and IIF vehicles are still in a very low orbit (close to sea level..haven't been launched.)

    3. We can't burn satellites in from semi-synchronous orbit (the GPS orbit) using today's technology. When they're disposed of we kick them away from the earth a couple of hundred kilometers. Orbital degradation is slight at semi-synchronous, but the satellites will interfere with each other in about 6,000 years. I hope we'll be able to clean it up before then.

    4. GPS Signals arrive on two frequencies, L1 (L1 = 1575.42 MHz) and L2 (L2 = 1227.6 MHz). C/A code (which is FREE as in air to civil users) is modulated onto the L1 carrier signal. It has never been encrypted. It has been degraded (selective availability, the method of degradation, was turned off in 2000) but is now every bit as accurate as the military signal. The only significant advantage the military receivers have is the ability to correct for ionospheric defraction using both frequencies.

    5. The major driver behind Galileo (EU GPS) is economics. Basically the US has a handle on a 12 billion dollar industry and the EU wants its share. They're expecting to charge money for the same service the US gives out for free! Somebody failed economics.

    Feel free to respond with any questions, I'd love to answer them.

  19. Re:space junk? by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are WAY off.

    But in reality, space does not clear after an explosion near our planet. The fragments continue circling the Earth, their orbits crossing those of other objects. Paint chips, lost bolts, pieces of exploded rockets--all have already become tiny satellites, traveling at about 27,000 kilometers per hour, 10 times faster than a high-powered rifle bullet. A marble traveling at such speed would hit with the energy of a one-ton safe dropped from a three-story building. Anything it strikes will be destroyed and only increase the debris.

    With enough orbiting debris, pieces will begin to hit other pieces, fragmenting them into more pieces, which will in turn hit more pieces, setting off a chain reaction of destruction that will leave a lethal halo around the Earth. To operate a satellite within this cloud of millions of tiny missiles would be impossible: no more Hubble Space Telescopes or International Space Stations. Even communications and GPS satellites in higher orbits would be endangered. Every person who cares about the human future in space should also realize that weaponizing space will jeopardize the possibility of space exploration.


    and

    These satellites are already at increasing risk from space debris. At any moment, only about 200 kilograms of meteoroid mass are within 2,000 kilometers of the Earth's surface. But within this same altitude range are roughly 3 million kilograms of orbiting debris introduced by human activities, most from about 3,000 spent rocket stages and now-inactive satellites. Most of the approximately 4,000 additional objects several centimeters in size or larger resulted from the fragmentation of more than 120 satellites.

    That's from Bullitin of the atomic scientists, the article is talking about the impact of SDI defense on increasing the danger but the general problem exists even without the additional clutter from ABM technology.

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  20. As former GPS instructor and operator by JohnnyComeLately · · Score: 4, Informative
    I can answer the question you pose. It's been partly answered already, but I'll add a little trivia for anyone who cares. I flew GPS satellites as enlisted active-duty Air Force for about 3 years, from 91-94, and then taught it at the schoolhouse (Falcon AFB, now called Shreiver, and then Vandenberg AFB) from 95-98.

    The constellation has 4 slots per orbit, with six orbital planes. Since the satellites are at a semi-sync orbit around 12,000 Nm (nautical miles), there is no way to deorbit or send the shuttle up to fix. The shuttle only goes up around 50-100 miles, from what I've read.

    Early GPS satellites, commonly referred to as Block I, were experimental and only expected to last around 5 years. These babies turned out to be over achievers and a few lasted 13 years (SVN 3, if my memory serves correct). It usually came down to degradation of the solar arrays. The Cesium and Rubidium clocks will still have one or two operational (they launched with 4), but the solar arrays couldn't generate enough electricity to last through Solar Season (a point in orbital mechanics, where the satellite spends a good amount of time in the sun or moon's shadow). On a few, they made the mistake ( or didn't anticipate) of not insulating one of the batteries well enough, and it failed faster.

    Anyway, with technology, they started packing more and more extra crap on the satellites and it didn't seem to make the birds any better. I used to give the Rockwell engineers a hard time by saying, "Strap on a Block IIa solar array on a Block I bird and it'll last 20 years".

    The launch schedule is planned around these predicted end of life time periods. We collect State of Health (SOH) data on every pass, since we go up on each satellite at least once or twice a day. This data helps with long term trending and will alert the engineers if it looks like a bird is going to die early.

    When the bird gets to the point it can't maintain its attitude (Z-Axis pointing +/- 2 degrees, at the center of the Earth), or the electrical system is failing (either due to batteries and/or solar arrays), then a end of life burn is scheduled. The satellite is spun up, so that eletricity and hyrodzine is no longer needed to keep the satellite stabilzed, and then it's boosted as far out as it's feasible as to make it's operational slot in the orbit reusable.

    In case anyone is curious about the stabilization, the satellites use 4 reactor wheels mounted on a pyramid shaped structure. Basicly, picture 4 flywheels spinning on the Egyptian Pyramids (but smaller, course!). One wheel can fail, and the other three can still keep the satellite 3-axis stabilized. GPS satellites keep the "bottom" of the satellite always pointing to Earth, as that's where the primary L-Band (what you use to get your GPS positioning) and S-band (what the AF uses to perform command and control, etc) antennas. There are electro-magnets that use computer modeling of the magnetic fields around the earth to dissipate stored energy in the reaction wheels. Otherwise, the wheels would eventually spin up to their max and no longer be correcting. Thruster firings are not an option, as it's too drastic a manueuver to maintain a precise positioning signal. A thruster firing will cause the satellite to flag it's data as not usable (almanac data).

    Hope this was interesting....

    John