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Tivo Plans Commercials On Demand

MCSqrd writes "News.com reports that Tivo will soon feature interactive ads that apparently link from ordinary television commercials. Viewers can activate the link and view extended, interactive content about the product being advertised. Tivo hopes to 'tune in' to a way to keep advertisers on their side since the idea of TV commercials being made obsolete because of PVRs has made them an enemy to marketing departments everywhere. Is anyone else reminded of the blipverts from the Max Headroom series?"

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  1. Might be news to you, but it was always there. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not a new TiVo feature, it's an underused one at this point. There are a few car company ads that are presently use it.

    The way it works is that the sponsors purchase a TiVo Showcase package, which is an advertising section that has always been part of TiVo. The Showcases can be filled with video content that is spliced out of the "Teleworld Infomercial"... a quasi-weekly program that TiVo purchases during the early morning hours on the Discovery Channel that all TiVos are programmed to return.

    The sponsors then purchase a typical campaign's worth standard 30-second TV spots, and they encode in the VBI (the same place where Closed Captioning hides) a signals that all TiVos understand. This signal tells the TiVo that whenever this spot is encountered, to display a "Press Thumbs Up For More Information" icon while it is playing. If the user gives the confirming thumbs up signal on their remote, they're transported directly to the Showcase section for that sponsor. Whenever the user chooses to leave the Showcase, they'll be returned to exactly where they were in whatever program they were viewing.

    You might be surprised to know that TiVo is recording this Teleworld Infomercial program, because it's never directly displayed in the user interface. You also might think that TiVo is kidnapping some of your diskspace... but in fact they're saving the ad content to the "reserved section" of TiVo's funky Linux-based OS. You never had access to that disk volume, and they already subtracted this space from the advertised hour-wise capacity of a unit. If you upgrade your TiVo's HD size, all of the additional space created goes to user recordings, the reserved space stays the same size.

    Gotta give TiVo credit, they're finding a revenue model that actually issues a challenge to advertisers... come up with some ad content that makes people want to watch it.

    1. Re:Might be news to you, but it was always there. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, TiVo has figured out that it's much easier for them to throw out data over the broadcast airwaves. DirecTV-tied units get almost all of their data via download of a datastream on the satellites, and only use the modem call to send upbound reports. TiVo presently sends out software updates via the modem because they perfer to slowly roll out new versions to randomly selected customers before pushing them to the general population.

    2. Re:Might be news to you, but it was always there. by Skidge · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as viewing movie times, there's a project on sourceforge called JavaHMO which is a Java-based replacement for TiVo's Home Media Option server. In addition to the normal functionality of playing mp3s and viewing photos, it allows you to view local movie times and weather forcasts through your TiVo's HMO menu. I played around with it a while ago and though it was rough around the edges at the time, it showed some nice promise. I'm not sure what it's like with current versions.

    3. Re:Might be news to you, but it was always there. by snakeOil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the idea and implementation had been around for years. I used to work with an ITV platform called Wink that had it. One of their major revenue sources were these ads.

      Btw, for those of you who had it (DirecTV being the biggest carrier), it came up as a little "i" on the top-left corner of the screen. The main problem of these interactive ads was the "interactive" part. With the time needed for the itv ad to come up plus the time needed to read the ad plus the time needed for the "interactive" part of pressing a button to order a brochure or something, the commercial was over!

      Well, DirecTV didn't renew the Wink contract in December 2003 so don't bother looking for those ads anymore. Some cable companies still carries it, though.

  2. This is no blipvert... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is anyone else reminded of the blipverts from the Max Headroom series?"
    No, because this is the inverse of a blipvert. A blipvert was a split-second commerical inserted into Network XXIII programs, which had the unfortunate side effect of causing overweight viewers to explode.

    This feature actually requires user input (a confirming click of the green Thumbs Up key during the conventional 30-second ad) in order to jump to a 3-minute presentation that has been stored on the TiVo harddrive. The user can bail out of the 3-minute presentation at any time and return to their "live" stream whenever they want. TiVo will do the favor of pausing the program at exactly the point they left it, where the user can fast-forward to catch up as much as they want.

    1. Re:This is no blipvert... by buddydawgofdavis · · Score: 1, Informative

      Amazing. The sig is right. That really is the password.

  3. Re:Commercials? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    TiVo actually has research to prove that people will actually rewatch a Pepsi comercial if Britney Spears is performing a dance routine while singing the soda company's jingle.

    So it's not fair to say that nobody watches comercials with a TiVo... it's just that the ad sponsors have to come up with comercials people will want to watch when given the ability to "gong" them off the stage with a fast forward button.

  4. Re:In Max Headroom by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Informative
    Also in the original 'running man' book/story, an excellent read.

    although you could turn the volume to zero...

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  5. Probably BMW. And now Ford. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    A lot of the personalized Tivo advertising has been really cool for the most part. Mainly because the car stuff they do is all sports cars that I really dig. BMW had all those mini movies they did a while back and Tivo had them all available for subscribers to watch every month or so.. Now Ford had some 500+ HP Ferarri Enzo killer car and Tivo has had some ads on it already and it's quite awesome to watch.

    This is the kind of advertising i'll always watch.

    Now if I can only convince them to do Victoria Secret TV spots i'll love it even more!

  6. Re:Hey, we've got those on the web by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The system doesn't work."

    Are you saying that banner ads don't work? (Or are you referring to TiVo? Not sure I understand the phrasing of your sentence here. If I misread your point I'm sorry.)

    Banner ads do work. That's why Slashdot's still here. If people are genuinely interested in the product being advertised, they go click the link. What doesn't work is that you can only get so much from them. Putting a Tampax banner on Slashdot isn't going to generate a lot of hits. Putting a ThinkGeek banner on Slashdot, however, generates a lot of views from interested people.

    There are ways to make advertising work on the web. The first step, however, is not to get your hopes up high about how many people will come. The second is to target your audience. The third is to make your banner provide information that they're interested in. A whoopdeedoo flashy banner won't work as well as saying "This item is cool, here's why."

    So could the TiVo think work? Potentially, yes. Start small. The R2D2 toy comes to mind. Show an ad for that during Enterprise. How many people watching that show would click the button? How many of those are genuinely interesting advertising hits? Think about it.

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  7. games programmer wanted by trick-knee · · Score: 3, Informative

    > Is anyone else reminded of the blipverts from the Max Headroom series?

    no, but it seems to me that Max Headroom was interesting because it was simply something different to look at. unfortunately, at this point in the flow of time, old school TV commercials aren't so interesting anymore.

    what Tivo needs to do is promote some sort of development of interactive software that the viewer will *want* to mess around with. that way, Tivo could keep the viewer engaged while waiting for something less interactive to come along, like the next feed of some pr0n.

    of course, I'm talking about a game that's fun to play and has Pepsi splattered all over it. Pepsi gets advertized, producers of old school commercials move to a new industry, Tivo gets its viable business model of commercials on demand, and geeks get paid.

    what am I missing?

  8. Blipverts? by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article summary:

    Is anyone else reminded of the blipverts from the Max Headroom series?"

    No, but you just proved you're an idiot. You see a banner ad on a webpage, and you know that if you click it you'll read more information about the product, right? That's apparently what this thing is.

    Blipverts, in Max Headroom, were taking a commercial that normally lasts 30 seconds and compressing it down to say 1 second or so. Then a person watches it, gets so much mental stimulation that generates electrical pulses in the body and causes them to explode.

    Not the same thing at all. So you can take off your computer-simulated tin-foil hat, this time.

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  9. Sky Digital by RahoulB · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is this not like the "red button" programmes and adverts on Sky Digital?

    A red circle appears at the top of the screen and if you want to know more, hit red and it takes you into a whole "interactive" section?

  10. Re:I love those commercials!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  11. Re:Commercials? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

    NBC is the major user of that automatic scheduling capability. However, in order to see it, you must be looking at a promo for an upcoming show that hasn't already aired yet. Most TiVo users are more than a couple days behind in their TV viewing and therefore are too late to have the automatic scheduler work, the show being promoted is already in the past.

  12. Re:With the Old TiVo I actually watched more comer by oscarm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Grab your tivo remote: press Select, Play, Select, 3, 0, select. The button that moves the marker forward 15 minutes is now a 30 second skip button.