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Why PHBs Fear Linux

Tin Foil Hat writes "Paul Murphy over at LinuxInsider examines the role IT text books play in business school curriculums and the misconceptions and misinformation that they present to students. If you've ever wondered why your PHB just doesn't get it when it comes to UNIX and Linux, this article is for you."

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  1. If you've ever wondered why your PHB... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 0, Insightful

    No, but I DO wonder what a PHB is. Not everyone speaks in acronyms.

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  2. Maybe they don't get it by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " If you've ever wondered why your PHB just doesn't get it when it comes to UNIX and Linux, this article is for you."

    Maybe they don't get it because they don't see Linux software on store shelves at Best Buy. Maybe they feel that using Linux would be a huge headache since they have NFI where the software actually comes from. It's percieved as some toy OS.

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    1. Re:Maybe they don't get it by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I don't know about Best Buy, but I know CompUSA has Linux boxen (as in product cardboard) right next to copies of Windows. Not only that, but their prices run the gamut from about $30 to $150, significantly lower than Windows."

      That's the OS, what about the software?

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    2. Re:Maybe they don't get it by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think, the grandparent post meant "Linux software other than Linux distros themselves". Does Best Buy stock office, firewall, dictionary, encyclopedia, publishing solutions for Linux? (I know, they exist, but Best Buy does not stock them, which was, I believe the point.)

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    3. Re:Maybe they don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      you've nearly got it. See, they don't care what they use to get the job done. the only thing that matters is getting the work done, and MS knows this - hence the marketing towards functionality, productivity, ease of use, and interoperability with what everyone else uses (ie MS stuff).

      The linux geeks only think of Linux as somehow superior for technical reasons - but who cares! If you use a computer to write a report, calculate graphs of sales, etc. you don;t give a damn about any of the reasons 'Linux is better', you *only* care about the report, the sales graph etc.

      OOo may be best thing since sliced breasd, but can it print without any technical knowledge on the author's part? no, then it sucks so much they'll never go near it again. If some admin sets everything up so they can.. then its *as good as* Office. It'll only be better if its either easier to use in some way (single-click create-sales-graph wizard perhaps) or maybe if it doesn't crash when Office does (but Office doesn't do that anymore).

      Security doesn't count - after all, its not the user's fault they click the macro that opens the virus, its the virus writers fault, and OOo doesn't support that *necessary* (in their eyes, which is all that matters) functionality...

      Its not that linux and OSS products can't make it, its the attitude to marketing it that counts. If you target admins, then that's fine - but they're clued up already to get the message if they want it, and they'll give it to their users, as long as the users' don't have a preference (eg. Mac users refusing to use anything other than Mac software).

      In short (here's the executive summary) give the users what they want, and not what you think they want.
      Often this is a pretty shitty job (eg doing user screens, wizards, clippy, brain-dead they-want-what functionality), and ultimately that's why OSS is disadvantaged in comparison to commercial software.

    4. Re:Maybe they don't get it by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My Best Buy stocks copies of "Big Game Hunter 3D" as well -- that doesn't encourage my Boss to let me run it as an operating system. It's a big jump, Windows to Linux, and besides all the cost-benefit nonsense, there's risk involved. A team of bearded hackers saying "it'll be okay" isn't going to make the risk seem any less daunting.

      No, what's going to do that is seeing software for Linux on the shelves. And in the pages of the CDW catalogs he leafs through. And all those articles in Business Week about IBM, Novell, Sun, HP, etc, moving into Linux based systems are helping.

      Still, Linux will never overtake Windows offering itself as an "almost as good for less" approach. Linux needs to offer BETTER software than Microsoft, and that means better setup, better imports, and better daily use to go with its better security and lower intial outset cost.

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    5. Re:Maybe they don't get it by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Maybe they don't get it because they don't see Linux software on store shelves at Best Buy.

      Forget about retail. PHBs don't go shopping, least of all in Best Buy. They are visited by a salesman who gets a commission for signing him for the software and support.

  3. A-freakin-men by p4ul13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm working on an IS masters right now. I was a bit aware as an undergrad of how MS centric the text-books were, but now going back I see that it is outright blatent.

    I don't know why this is the case, but it really must affect the bias of so many students (and future PHBs). I suppose its a matter of people using what they know and what they expect the readers will be using that makes them decide to take this slant, but still seems to be a bad approach in the long-run.

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  4. Why x sucks. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is always easy for a person who dislikes a platform to make it look bad and point out why it is bad. Text Books are no exception an author who doesn't particular care for an OS even though they are try to objective, will often get their feelings about it in some way or another either by ignoring the fact, giving negative examples, or use negativity resining to explain the features of an other product, "Example: Linux was designed in part because of the shortcomings in windows." While I don't say that Windows is Bad it is implied that Linux is better then windows, Implying that windows sucks. So I probably is best is to concentrate on your platforms strong points and not on its opponents week points, Thus saving yourself from a flame war with your boss. What works best for me is that I compare OS's to Tools Windows is a Hammer and Linux is like a screw driver. They do essentially the same thing put a piece of metal in wood. But they do it differently and having different tradeoffs. Most bosses can understand tradeoffs vs. Better and Worse because with better and worse flame wars occure when speaking about Tradeoffs then it seems much more level headed.

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    1. Re:Why x sucks. by npsimons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Text Books are no exception an author who doesn't particular care for an OS even though they are try to objective, will often get their feelings about it in some way or another either by ignoring the fact, giving negative examples, or use negativity resining to explain the features of an other product, "Example: Linux was designed in part because of the shortcomings in windows."

      Not only that, but you'd be doing your readers a disservice by lying to them. If Linux was designed, even in part, because of the shortcomings of anything, it was because of the shortcomings of Minix.


      Me, I use (and develop from time to time) Linux because it gives me freedom and power.

  5. CONTRADICTION! by Kiyooka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they are in tune and understand linux, they're not TRUE PHBs now, are they? : )

  6. Need Better Books! by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article does a good job of picking the misleading and false statements about Unix and Linux in various leading textbooks.

    And these are just the vague and false statements about one particular category of knowledge - the Linux OS. It begs the question: if they can be mistaken about this area and not taken the time to get their facts straight, what other areas are getting hand-waving instead of well-researched facts?

    More than anything else, this points out some embarrassing shortcomings in these textbooks. Professors picking textbooks for their students would do well to pick better ones than these.

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    1. Re:Need Better Books! by alienw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Keep in mind that so-called "professors", as well as the book writers, are usually former PHBs who couldn't find a job because they were so incompetent.

      First, smart people do not go into IT/MIS type stuff. Second, successful managers generally don't become professors and don't write books. There's a saying that describes the situation perfectly. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

  7. Not just IT by MrIrwin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A degree used to be a theory and evolution through research. Nowdays it appears that an MBA is essentially a vocational training course where students are stuffed with off the shelf concepts.

    It used to be political regimes that adultered the curriculums with indoctrination, nowdays, like everything else, it has become a business!

    Fortunately there a growing number of Maverick enterprises, in all sectors, that are learing that success comes best by not following the rules. I guess that is what the lawyers are supposed to prevent;-)

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  8. No kickbacks? by DR+SoB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eeee, could it be because you don't get kickbacks when somethings free??

    (Runs, ducks for cover!!)

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  9. Perception of Value by imgumbydamnit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was once told by an MBA that in order for my consulting services to be valued more, I should raise my rates. People automatically think that they get what they pay for, therefor a free distro can't be worth as much as an XP or Solaris license.

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  10. On the other hand, CS textbooks by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    almost always use UNIX/Linux (and UNIX moreso than Linux) while discussing OS, networking and other systems subjects.

    Never have I once come across a mention of Microsoft (except maybe in the History section (Xenix)) any any of the classic books by Tanenbaum, Stevens, et al.

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  11. not always true by rayde · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I took a course as part of my education in the College of Business at Penn State that used AEleen Frisch's "Essential System Administration" (an O'Reilly book") as our textbook.

    However, I'll be the first to admit that most of the MIS-related courses gave only sparse mention of Linux. I think students in general are aware of Linux's existence, but little more than that. Were it up to them to make a platform decision after the basic business degree program, I'm sure that most students would sadly be grossly uninformed about Linux and OSS, and therefore drift over to the familiar Windows environments.

  12. From sSomeone who pitches those PHB's... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could it be that many PHB's fear the penguin because of the illogical, emotionally-based arguments so many Linux zealots constantly use to push their agenda? I mean, many of the nutcases I've heard from speak of Linux like the coming of some New World Order, reminiscent of how Communists pitched their ideas back during the fifties. PHB's take one look at people like that and say "there's no way in hell I'm going to trust someone so emotionally involved in this to make a valid business decision."

    There have been an increasing number of articles, posts, and so forth coming from notable people in the Linux community pointing out how the zealotry is really becoming a serious impediment to further Linux progress. In particular, they cite many Linux zealot's inability to take any sort of constructive criticism and their steadfast belief that the users should conform to the OS instead of the other way around. They say this is bad for Linux, and I think they're right on.

    Microsoft is using this irrational zealot behavior to convince more PHB's that Linux is some kind of cult, not just an operating system. The more outspoken the zealots are, the more they hurt things.

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    1. Re:From sSomeone who pitches those PHB's... by andih8u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For every Linux (or BSD, or OS X) zealot, there are a hundred Windows zealots

      I have to disagree with you there...from what I've seen there are definately more Linux zealots roaming around, and they are making Linux look very bad. IBM's Linux commercial (you know, the one with the orphan being adopted by the world) wasn't merely to try introducing Linux to the world, it was image spin. Anytime I tell someone that I use Linux, they always associate me with being a l337 hack0r. The latest batch of worms attacking Microsoft, SCO, and RIAA certainly don't help that impression. To the rest of the normal non-technical people, the Linux zealots really must look like terrorists. "We don't like Microsoft, or SCO, or the RIAA, so we're going to shut them all down fplolomg" Lots of the Linux zealots that I know haven't even used Windows since 85 or 98, so they don't even know what they're really up against with XP or 2003Server, and they're so busy railing about how evil MS is, that they never bother to take a look at what their products are like, to know what they are competing against.

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  13. Without even realizing it... by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, without even realizing it, PHBs might find their employees integrating tools like Apache, perl, GNU make, etc into their development process or tools. At which point you tell the boss that they've gotten all this functionality for free for so long, and how many problems have you had because of it? Right, so bring on the linux.

    I work for a Fortune 100 telecom company who isn't terribly pro-linux. But one day I counted up all the open-sourced software we use on a daily basis, there's a ton of it... if someone ripped OSS software away from us, we'd be in a world of hurt.

  14. In our case, it's SCO. by djh101010 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our CIO is a sharp guy, understands that Linux is the appropriate technical answer to several of the problems we have, and understands the value of open-source software in genereal. The problem is, we got _the letter_, and he's understadably not interested in becoming a headline-making company for the wrong reasons. It's annoying and frustrating, but until SCO gets slapped down hard and goes away, we have to consider the legal/political aspect as well as the technical merits. Yes, it's BS. Yes, their claims are worthless, but yes, he has chosen not to put us at risk as a target of SCO. He expressed the same frustration that we techies are feeling.

    If SCO is just a shill for Microsoft, and is trying to delay the inevitable slide away from Windows, well, in our case, it's having some of that effect. If they're not doing this as an agent of Microsoft, well, it has the same effect.

  15. Just to show what professional really means by rzbx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Want to know why most business analysts and venture capitalists simply don't get it with respect to Unix? Take a look at the computer books they study while working toward their MBA, financial analysis certificate or accounting designation, and you'll understand that their ignorance isn't entirely their fault."

    This is the first paragraph of the article. Now think about this. Basically what it says is that whatever the system (in this case educational institutions) feed them, that is what they believe. It is very sad to see that many professionals in fact do not spend the time to learn about their field outside of what is fed to them in the classroom. Their educational diet is pretty bad. If one really wants to know everything one can about a particular field, then one should take the time to read that which lies outside of the institution where they are learning it. Btw, this also shows how corporations are integrated with the education system. Never trust just one source for all your facts.

    True, it isn't entirely the fault of the student, but what do we do about it? One idea comes to mind, find more sources for information besides just a book your school was encouraged to buy.

    There is hope though. Linux is one very powerful example of how the internet has changed the way we find information and work together on common goals.

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  16. Books? by hayh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are books even adequate? During my years as a student of Computer Science (high school and college) I always found that the information in textbooks was outdated, even if it had *ever* been accurate. Even now, every time I buy a programming book I find that a more recent version has been released with new functionality that is not covered in the book.

    IT moves so quickly that by the time the information makes it to print, new information is available elsewhere. Because of the static nature of books, they only get less informative over time. These professors should encourage their students to use online resources that are updated regularly, or journals that are published faster and more frequently than books, if they want to be on the cutting-edge.

  17. here is another reason why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the one I've been told by my boss (although he does exagerate a bit...):

    Linux is a melting pot of unfinished softwares branded by zealots with way too much time on their hands and a very bad understanding of business practices.

    Noteworthy: he does run the inventory servers on Linux, his opinions was forged after having to maintain said servers, he also mentionned that this "free" alternative cost him over 20 000$ in freelance maintenance personnel per year after he decided he wasn't up to the task of maintaining them.

    I cannot really blame him for his opinions since he has at least tried, for real.

  18. Quite simple to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS ia a publicly traded company.
    MS has a large share of the consumer and business market.
    MS has a business plan, sells multiple products and services and posts a profit every quarter. Moreover, they produce regular financial results, results and filings.
    MS has been in business for several years.
    MS has many employess in several countries.
    MS has numerous stockholders and anaylysts understand what MS is trying to accomplish as a business.
    MS is run by the wealthiest man in the US - (so many people correlate this as an indicator of "how good their products are" - go figure).

    From a business school perpective, these things are relevant.

    When Linux is brought up, it is often ambiguous to understand how the distributions and linux-baseed software companies plan to make money ("If its free and the code is publicly available, how can you make money?"). Also, it is hard to relate "the open source community" into dollars and cents.

    Mind you, this is not neccessarily my opinion, just an observation of those whose opinion's validate the article's report.

  19. How about the article itself? by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With all the talk about acronyms being modded up, let's not lose sight of the fact that this was one of the most intresting (from the perspective of open-source-in-the-real-world) articles I've ever read.

    I think he pretty identified the primary reason Linux has been slow to catch on in mainstream business.

    It's all fun having a bunch of geeks get together and talk about how great Howard Dean is and how c00| Linux is; but we're still very nieve when it comes to educating the decision makers in the world. I'd love to seem some discussion about how to get Linux written up in more business textbooks. I would have thought the RHAT IPO and IBM would have helped this; but wow that article showed that misconsceptions still abound.

    1. Re:How about the article itself? by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he pretty identified the primary reason Linux has been slow to catch on in mainstream business.

      Too bad for him that he lost me (and unintentionally made a different point) in the second sentence (emphasis mine):

      Simply try to remember, next time you run into users who think Microsoft invented computing, that they got those beliefs from their textbooks -- meaning that they aren't necessarily as moronic as their opinions and that you can hope to reeducate at least some of them.

      This is the reason why most bosses are slow to pick up on Linux -- because most IT professionals treat it like a club rather than a serious operating system. If you don't get it, you are one of the morons, and you are excluded.

      A manager might see Linux on the same lines as s/he sees this or this, products designed to exclude the general public from the IT fraternity. The IT people think they are cool; the general public just sees nerds with toys.

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    2. Re:How about the article itself? by iSwitched · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...but we're still very nieve when it comes to educating the decision makers in the world.

      I have some ideas, how about we all agree to:

      Stop referring to our bosses as PHBs
      OK, I know there are alot of bad bosses out there, I'm lucky enough to not have one, but I accept they exist. But lets face it, slashdotters have come to refer to anyone in a suit with a business degree as a 'PHB' and I'm reasonably certain they don't mean it as a term of endearment

      Come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed
      I know uber-geeks don't really give a damn what anyone thinks right? Well clearly you care about how Linux and Unix is percieved or wouldn't be posting on this thread would you. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to listen to someone who looks professional, or at least doesn't smell bad.

      Stop thinking anyone who doesn't understand computers is an idiot
      Look, there are a heck of alot of really smart people out there who can't even check their email. They make more money than you, get laid more often than you, and are probably happier than you. So lets get over ourselves a minute and treat people with respect until they give us a real reason not to.

      Learn to speak, then speak up
      Speaking in public is not the average geeks strong point, but it's a learned skill. I was painfully shy as a child, a few classes and a few years of experience later, and I have the confidence to speak in front of anyone. If I can do it, so can you.

      Care enough to speak the language
      Most geeks would agree than if you're traveling to a foreign country, the least you can do is learn a little of the language and culture before you go. Really want to change the suits impression of your favorite technologies? How about putting it in words they can understand. Here's a dirty little secret about business: learning to write a cost-benefit analysis is easier than programming! Seems most geeks couldn't be bothered though.

      There's a ot more you could do, but I'm stepping down off my soap box now, let the flaming begin!

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    3. Re:How about the article itself? by Merk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Argh. Not this again.

      The wonderful appeal to the inferiority complex: "Look, there are a heck of alot of really smart people out there who can't even check their email. They make more money than you, get laid more often than you, and are probably happier than you."

      These days, if someone remotely involved with computers can't figure out how to check their email, then they probably are stupid.

      As for making money, or getting laid. Sure. There are bound to be people who are better or worse off than the average geek. But so what? Do you really want to be the rich guy who wrote spam software, who can't tell anybody what he did because it's so unethical? Geeks involved in the spam business probably make better cash than your average Linux enthusiast. What about getting laid? Sure, if you spend hours studying NLP you might be able to trick or coerce a girl into sleeping with you. Wow. Aren't you great. But really, sex is also the cause of a lot of problems: pregnancy, STDs, and an emotional rollercoaster. Wouldn't you rather be able to feel good about yourself, and have your partner feel good about you?

      The fact is, aside from perhaps being introverted, geeky, and male, the average Slashdot reader has something else in common: morals. Look how often freedom is mentioned here. Look at how the argument agains Microsoft is about their unfair actions. There's a cost for everything. If I cared only about money, I'd be making more than I am now, but many of my friends would lose respect for me. If I wanted to get laid more, I could treat girls like they were disposable, but I'd lose respect of my friends for that too. No thanks, I'm pretty happy with who I am.

    4. Re:How about the article itself? by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed
      I know uber-geeks don't really give a damn what anyone thinks right? Well clearly you care about how Linux and Unix is percieved or wouldn't be posting on this thread would you. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to listen to someone who looks professional, or at least doesn't smell bad.


      This is the biggest load of bollocks ever. The idea of a "professional look" was invented by PHBs for PHBs to show other PHBs how they can afford the expensive Armani suit. It says nothing about how well you do the job. It's window dressing. I work contract and will turn down jobs that have a dress code since I know that I'll have to deal with shitty management if there is one. And the longest I've been out of work in 4 years is a 6 week holiday I took in Egypt.

      Bob

    5. Re:How about the article itself? by MagikSlinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hi, sit down. Make yourself comfortable. I know this is a little disorienting, but this is the real world.

      What? Yes, in fact, 90% of the geeks in the real world do come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed. In fact, a lot of them would do that even without work. I know, in your little fantasy world every geeks looks liks RMS, but this is the real world where, in order to get and keep jobs, they have to shave, shower and dress nicely. Most of our work places have dress codes, you know.

      I know, it must be scary for you. So many geeks aren't afraid of speaking in public, making their voices heard and arguing persuasively using logic and business language. Geeks tend to be the most outspoken people in an organization. Being a geek means learning new cultures and different ways of thinking. It's a hobby to a geek. I know, I know. In your world, geeks are quiet, meek and mumble. That's OK, you're in the real world now.

      Let's take a walk. Why, yes, they are very patient, caring people who really want their users to know what they know and to be productive. You don't survive long in this business if you don't.

      Oh, look, that geek is having a heart-felt conversation with a techno-neophyte boss. Notice how well it's working. That's because the boss doesn't treat the geek as an idiot child who must be restrained. The boss respects the geek's knowledge and listens, in turn, the geek understands the boss has a different set of bosses to answer to, and he's trying his damndest to help his boss. He's helpful, honest and works his damndest to provide the bosses the numbers and research he needs to fight for him.

      Why am I being so condescending to you? Why were you being so condescending to geeks?

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    6. Re:How about the article itself? by zaffir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These days, if someone remotely involved with computers can't figure out how to check their email, then they probably are stupid.

      No. Not true. They're afraid of the computer, especially if it hasn't been set up properly. Many people have no clue what POP3, SMTP, SSL, etc. are, and couldn't configure them without a step by step tutorial. They're just too afraid of breaking something to try it. Why do companies need large tech support divisions? Because people can't fix things themselves. The computer is a mystery box that everyone knows will break/screw up, and they're scared that they'll cause some horrible catastrophe by messing around in the preferences. I have tried numerous times to ingrane the "if you mess it up, it can be fixed" way of thinking into my mother's head, but she still just can't bring herself to explore. True, she's less afraid of her Mac than her Windows machine at work, but she still doesn't want to break anything.

      Although if you by "remotvely involved" you mean "does some sort of work in the IT industry" I'll agree with you. ;)

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    7. Re:How about the article itself? by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Somebody needs to mod you up. I had mod points today, but they're gone already or I'd do it myself.

      I've worked in computers pretty much my whole life, except for a brief foray into another career, but after about 3 years I came back to IT. Computers seem like the most natural thing in the world to me. Not to my wife. She's a very hard worker, she's smart (IQ over 150), an excellent entrepreneur (she started what became her family business when she was in her early twenties) and really good at mechanical things, too. But computers?! Uh-uh. She doesn't even want to be bothered with them. She just wants them to work, and if they have a problem, she doesn't even really want to know what I did to fix it. Computers are a tool of business and communication for her, but they'll never be a hobby or even at all interesting in themselves.

      My wife is a brilliant woman, and (in at least my opinion and probably hers too :-) far smarter than her husband in every area except one: computers. I'm counting my blessings for that one area that makes me look good :-)

  20. Re:thats easy by gid13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Speaking from a purely non-business perspective, I'd say he's right. My printer (Lexmark x85) doesn't even have a Linux driver that I'm aware of.

    IMHO, Linux office software still sucks too.

    I'd blab on about Linux's good points to get karma, but let's face it, they aren't relevant to your post. :)

  21. If you write a computer textbook by IshanCaspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and you don't extensively cover OSS, the most significant movement in computing today..if you don't cover linux, which effectively runs the web, you're not doing your job. End of story.

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  22. Get serious by andih8u · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With Microsoft running on over 90% of the computers used today, yes, textbooks will be a bit Microsoft-centric...that's just common sense. Want to make things fair? Take the *nix market share, then devote that much time in class to it.

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  23. I read the article by Hangtime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many times is Windows mentioned in these books? Our author does not include this in the article so if were making comparisons lets at least know the other side.

    Traditionally Unix and Linux have bastions in CompSci departments and MIS departments have skewed to the Windows world. Microsoft has heavily infuenced US business schools with low priced licensing and faculty sponsored research, Linux does not have this advantage. Alos, I would mention that Linux+Unices only have 8% of the marketplace while Windows occupies 85% therefore if Linux/Unix have 3 references and you see more then 30 references for Windows then it really is out of whack with reality.

    Outside of Slashdot and in the real world, Linux is a minority group, (not to say it will always be that way) and therefore will have less coverage because of it. (I am a fan of Trance music but I do not complain that my local Best Buy does carry the kind of selection I can get in a Miami independent record store devoted to Trance/Dance music). The store and also the author of these books are playing to the largest segment of the population. I would take a guess that more people know how to manipulate digital pictures on a computer then know how to use a Unix-based system.

    Finally, university textbooks are NOTORIOUS for being behind the curve when it comes to new developments in fields so you can't really fault the books for being behind the times when it comes to Linux, it is only since 1999-2000 that Linux began to get real traction in the marketplace.

    1. Re:I read the article by Wolfbone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Microsoft has heavily infuenced US business schools with low priced licensing and faculty sponsored research, Linux does not have this advantage."

      So much for academic integrity then.

      "Alos, I would mention that Linux+Unices only have 8% of the marketplace while Windows occupies 85% therefore if Linux/Unix have 3 references and you see more then 30 references for Windows then it really is out of whack with reality."

      These text books are supposed to be informing their readership of the relative merits of the various platforms, not equating relative popularity with relative merit.

      "Finally, university textbooks are NOTORIOUS for being behind the curve when it comes to new developments in fields so you can't really fault the books for being behind the times when it comes to Linux,"

      Really? Well I remember there was there a /. article some time ago complaining about the exorbitant prices of textbooks and how the authors/publishers would make damned sure they 'updated' them each year (whether there was any need to or not) so that students had to buy the new editions instead of going to the second hand store.

  24. I like this quote from one of the books by Overdrive_SS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Java is a platform independent, object oriented programming language developed by Sun Microsystems. Java software is designed to run on any computer or computing device, regardless of the specific microprocessor or operating system it uses. A Macintosh PC, an IBM PC running Windows, a Sun server running Unix, or even a smart cellular phone or personal digital assistant can share the same Java application."
    That is a good description of Java. However, if they haven't heard much more than the book is telling them about linux, then how much do they know about programming? Do they have any idea what Object Oriented means? Do they know the advantages and disadvantages to using it? Do they care? For that matter, do they care if Java runs on multiple operating systems and microprocessors when the textbook itself is telling them all they need is Windows(with the possible exception of embedded devices)?

    I guess what I am getting at is that maybe we shouldn't teach them anything about IT or programming. Maybe we should teach them how to be humble enough to ask for advice from those of us who know that stuff, instead of pretending they know everything? I know we can be just as biased, but lets say you have a few knowledgeable employees, ask them all and make your best decision from that. I don't know how to manage others or run a business, I wouldn't try without getting input from someone who does first, why should they?
  25. its the institutions, not the textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The noted symptoms are indicative of problems in education in general, not necessarily specific to MIS. Keep in mind that it takes a while for a textbook to get written, edited & published. Then it takes time to get it approved for use & curricula to be developed, then you have to wait for the next semester / school year to start. If you were to publish a current, accurate textbook today, you'd be lucky to get it into a classroom before fall 2005. Those students wouldn't likely hit the market until 2007.

    Now take a look at the mainstream press & how long it takes them to catch up to whats current in IT. If the journalists that cover this stuff on a daily basis take their sweet time opening their minds to new software / OSes / development styles, etc. how long do you think it will take a textbook publisher, much less a professor?

    When I was in college around the beginning of the last decade, the best class I had used business week to drive discussions. It was a great way to get up to speed with the current issues facing business. We were discussing biotech as 'the next big thing'. Note that this was back around the same time that Linus was writing the 1.0 kernel. The 3.5" floppy drive was taking over as a new standard. Internet? WTF is an internet?

    If you want to get current information to wet-behind-the-ears MBA/MIS types, you have to figure out how to convince academians that they need to have flexible curricula that changes as fast as technology. Not necessarily follow the bleeding edge, but find a periodical that will cover a wide range of tech issues.

    The problem isn't with the textbooks, per se, but with the academic institutions that continue to use old, out of date textbooks - which, in the tech field, any published textbook would be!

  26. Re:instructor doesn't get it by Tack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would have asked her who her instructor was, and then contacted that instructor to ask about the possibility about doing a guest lecture on Linux and FLOSS in general.

    The questions posed by the instructor indicate stunning amounts of cluelessness that, being involved in a LUG, would be almost a civic duty for you to clear up. :)

    Jason.

  27. A UNIX Book for MBAs by BlueQuark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IT's funny since most of the hard core business operations run on either Mainframes (running MVS with UNIX System Services), a commercial UNIX, or Linux/FreeBSD (for slightly smaller apps) etc.

    How about a book called: "O'Reilly's Using UNIX/Linux guide for MBAs"

    Funny, at work, the senior Oracle DBA is a huge proponent of Solaris and AIX on big machines. He's almost done with his MBA. But then again he used to be a UNIX/AIX System Admin.

  28. Favorite Quote by Recovering+Anonymous · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The best part of the article is when they have sample quotes from some text books. This is my favorite:

    "One reason Microsoft's software is the de facto standard is because it is available to run on a variety of computer systems. Recognizing the desirability and benefits of interoperability and software portability, Microsoft's Windows products are designed to be used on many computers besides desktop systems (servers, for example). This is not only a wish of Microsoft, but it is also the wish of many IT professionals responsible for developing and supporting enterprise systems."
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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  29. Re:instructor doesn't get it by AnEmbodiedMind · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think that the comments are referring to the fact that the instructor doesn't understand that the authors of Linux code DO retain copyright - just that the authors wave some of the associated rights.

    e.g.

    "Why was it released into the public domain rather than copyrighted?"
  30. Oh because people actually use it? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not a graphics guy so I can't really say if GIMP is that good or bad. But most people have never used it. Those that do graphic work have used Adobe. Adobe is needed on the Linux desktop for the same reason Quickbooks is. If they provide software for Linux then end users can justify the change. Other wise it is a case of abandon everything known about your computer, all you past software, all your data and make the switch. One reason Apple doesn't sell as much as they can is because of some of those issues. Software, data, and training are big investments. To most end users the computer was a bitch to learn the first time and they don't want to go through that again.

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    1. Re:Oh because people actually use it? by alienw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many people do graphics work? Graphics people used Macs for the longest time, and didn't make the slightest dent in Microsoft's marketshare. Photoshop is absent on the vast majority of business desktops. My university has it on maybe a couple of dozen out of the hundreds of lab machines. It's really not a very important application, as compared to, say, MS Office, MS Exchange, or custom company-specific applications.

      I'm not saying your other points are invalid, it's just that people always bring up photoshop as an important application that's missing from the Linux desktop, when in fact it's about as important as, say, Cubase or 3D Studio Max. About the only place where those programs are popular is the warez scene.

  31. Re:strikingly similar by paganizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, it's not just higher education.
    2 years ago, I had the option of sending my kid to a better public grade school; I decided to test the waters by meeting with a few of the teachers.
    I asked "what was the major cause of the U.S. Civil War?"
    and "is the U.S. a republic, or a democracy? whats the difference?"

    The answers literally scared me. in both schools, near identical, both wrong.

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  32. Problem is mindshare and blame-avoidance by LoFat+ByLine · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Consider this: you're a middle-management type and you have this project. You choose to go with a non-MS technology that the other folks in management regard as flaky.

    The project fails: you get blamed for choosing perceived "flaky" technology, even if that wasn't the cause of the failure.

    Say you choose MS instead. The project fails, but in this case you avoid blame because you did it "by the book" (literally), even if the technology in this case did cause the failure.

    If the project succeeds, it's probably OK either way ... although some of your colleagues still might look at you funny if you chose the weirdo "free" stuff. You might score points with upper management for saving some costs on licensing fees, but then again, they just might not care.

    As a middle-manager, it's very likely you're more interested in avoiding blame than in taking risks that could get you fired. Until general attitudes toward MS change (which is happening), middle management isn't going to be a lot of help.

  33. Re:Knowledge is *hard* by Gareman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I started by studying for the Linux+ certification. It's supposed to be equivalent to what an admin would know after 6 months. I started knowing nothing, passed my exam, and now I've run Linux at home as my mail, web, and file server for over a year. I'm probably little more than an "instruction-manual-following monkey" but that's what happens when you don't know anyone who uses Linux and your Microsoft certified friends advise you against it.

    And yes, when things break, there's some flagellation, especially if it breaks X, but I've usually been able to recover through basic troubleshooting I've learned in the Windows world.

    As an MCSE with some Linux experience, do I recommend Linux to my bosses? Sure, but with many caveats, including buying commercial versions with commercial support and understanding what role Linux can play in an organization -- usually not as a Microsoft replacement.

    My advice is to stop making Linux the "elite" operating system. If an "instruction-manual-following monkey" can get the system up and doing what it's supposed to, mission accomplished.

  34. Re:Not Best Buy...Dell, HP and Gateway. by RedBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most non-geeks have no clue, period. I'm constantly hearing from mostly educated people that they're having a problem using "Microsoft" or "Adobe", by which they usually mean Word or Excel in the first case and either Acrobat Reader or Photoshop in the latter case. But it could be just about anything. People simply have no clue how their computers work, they just see the brand names everywhere so that's what they remember.

    HOWEVER, people aren't entirely hopeless. If you sit down with them with a clear idea of what you're trying to explain, and explain that thing calmly and clearly in terms they can relate to, most will pick some of it up. If you calmly explain it a few more times, still keeping to terms they can understand, they'll get even more of it. We, the geeks, are the educators. The market and the education system has no desire to talk about something that doesn't make them piles of money.

    If we treat people with respect and keep our ideas clear, they will listen most of the time. Stick to real world examples that have or can affect them. If you can't come up with a real world example, maybe you should go back and rethink whatever idea you're trying to explain. If it doesn't affect them at all, why are you harping on it?

    Geeks are capable of changing the world, one non-geek at a time. Just have patience.

  35. Re:instructor doesn't get it by g1zmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, I think you're way off base. It sounds to me like the instructor has quite a few clues, and is trying to dispel some of the uncertainty around Linux.

    He/She is trying to teach the students how to think critically, look deeper into subjects that they are not familiar with, and do some research before they form their opinions and share those opinions with others. That, my friend, is called education and hats off to the instructor who is actually teaching these skills rather than blindly handing out assignments from the Microsoft Press textbook just because it's easier.

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  36. Re:instructor doesn't get it by Tack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Question #2 in the top post asks, "Why was it released to the public domain instead of copyrighted?" The question makes a statement that it was released to the public domain and not copyrighted, which is obviously absurd.

    Hey, I'm all for critical thinking. But this question makes false implications. It's like asking the question, "Why does a triangle have 4 sides instead of 3?" Any question that expects a balanced, critically thought answer ought not to be loaded.

    Imagine asking the question in a course on evolutionary theory, "Why did God create man symmetrically instead of asymmetrically?"

    Jason.

  37. Re:Not just PHB's by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The bridge of the next generation's enterprise is designed to look cool to TV viewers, not to actually be a useful interface. In fact, it's a terrible interface because of the touchscreens - the crew would have to look down to use the buttons and could never learn the tactile feedback that people currently use with their computer keyboards. Visual touchscreens are great when you don't know what you're doing and need to be led through the interface. They're very slow to use, however, and require attention from multple senses. A keyboard with keys you can feel only requires one sense to use. That's why you can type while reading something off the screen.

    And talking to the computer to get it to do what you want is no worse than typing it - you still have to remember the right words, and still have all the same problems because essentailly, speaking to a machine is just like typing to it, in terms of it being a one-dimensional stream of data the computer has to parse.

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  38. Windows is being institutionalized by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Illinois Institute of Technology has a business school that offers an Information Systems program. I'd figure that there would be some synergies between the geek-side and the white-collar drone side of the school. I was wrong.

    The textbooks rarely mentioned UNIX or VMS unless it was during a discussion of ancient legacy database or EDI systems or a treatise on the history of client-server computing. There were courses that were specifically slanted toward certain products like Visual Basic, and ASP, with no mention of Delphi or PHP. Database discussions and case studies involving databases were always about Oracle or Microsoft products. There was never a mention of MySQL or PostgreSQL. Linux only came up because my boyfriend is an advocate. We'd discuss equivalent Linux technologies with professors. Those professors who were interested only felt that it wasn't worth it to try to teach those technologies to students since the students want to learn these sexy enterprise computing acronyms like ASP and .NET.

    To make things worse, the entire school network had been rebuilt using all Microsoft technologies on the front end and a couple of IRIX or SunOS systems on the back far away from prying eyes. The result was a complete divorcing of UNIX from all aspects of computing among the student body with the effect of new students not being exposed to anything but Microsoft Windows (including thin clients). This bothers me a lot since I feel my UNIX and VAX experience has helped shaped my understanding of computing more than what Windows has done.

    There is a perception of UNIX and Linux being institutionalized in the university system. UNIX is what was whereas Windows is what will be. Linux is for local chapter ACM members who have long hair and date ugly girls. Windows is for businessmen who drive luxury cars and get blowjobs from beautiful women they hardly know. UNIX is a typewriter in the age of Microsoft Office. UNIX is that mysterious blue box (SGI Indy) sitting in a basement office serving the school's webmail system, and the VAX is a hobbled workhorse that's being put out of its misery as I type.

    *Bang* Hear that? That was the sound of six years worth of my emails being erased forever as a VAX completes its last process.

  39. Re:strikingly similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Slavery clouds the issue. Yeah, it's the central issue as far as the lens of history is concerned. But that's kind of scary. Because it pretty much guarantees it will happen again, and that it will catch us by surprise when it does. See, if it was just about slavery then, we've fixed the problem, and we can never have another civil war. If it's about anything else, like a federal government taking too much central authority over the more directly representative state governments, or if it's about economic disparities caused by an unsustainable system of commerce and distribution of wealth, well... we just don't want to think about the possibilities. So it was all about slavery, and we abolished slavery, and ever since then everything has been just ducky, k?

  40. "Unix people are bigots" by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "From this, our future MBA or CPA learns that Unix people are bigots..."

    You mean they're not? Take a look at /. buddy.

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  41. Re:Knowledge is *hard* by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My advice is to stop making Linux the "elite" operating system. If an "instruction-manual-following monkey" can get the system up and doing what it's supposed to, mission accomplished.

    Look, I'm not trying to criticize people that aren't using Linux. I'd say that it takes an equally long period of time to *really know* Windows. I just think that fewer people *really know* Windows. I know probably one person that *really knows* Windows, but I've run into many *IX admins that know an *IX system inside out.

    And I've seen clueless *IX admins as well, so I'm certainly not trying to make a statement about all admins on either platforms.

    How many Windows admins know (and I'm not a serious Windows guy, so I'm sure I'm missing crucial tools) Dependency Walker, Regmon, and Filemon around, for those times when *something* has changed and things aren't working? How many people could fix a system where Explorer has started refusing to boot, or would know what to start doing? What if a file association mysteriously didn't show up in Explorer and applications couldn't register that association all of a sudden? What if an admin password goes missing? What if some user tries installing Linux and blows away the Windows boot loader? I'm sure there are tons of Active Directory weirdnesses that a Real Windows Guru will know how to deal with that I can't even begin to describe.

    The thing is, I really think that the only way to learn a system is to use it. A lot. And fix it when something goes wrong. And it's really hard to do that if your primary system is Windows and most of the problems someone has you fix are Windows-based. The same would go for a Mac OS X fan who maintains a Windows server or two or (me, a Linux guy) for maintaining a major Windows installation at a Fortune 500 company. It'd be silly. It'd not because I'm stupid, it's just because I can't learn everything about admining a Windows system in a week or probably even six months. And because Linux is new, a lot of admins are being handed a training course, and expected to be able to fix all problems. Their bosses are going to expect that if something goes down, the system will be back up again shortly. So suddenly there is this huge mass of newbie Linux admins expected to handle critical Linux systems. A lot of them have no interest in ever learning more, and are going to stay right at that level.

    The fact that you're running Linux at home makes a pretty strong statement that you're interested in doing more than just yanking out the manual and never learning more than the ten things you had to do the last time something went wrong. Same would go for someone running MS Exchange or Solaris or Photoshop at home to learn it -- they aren't just doing the bare minimum to get by.

  42. so so true by fuckingcunt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'm a self-tough programmer and went through school majoring in management information systems -- miami university (oxford, oh)

    'pathetic' is the only word that can really, accurately describe the level of technical instruction in that department. this is a PHB hatchery, a dilbert incubator. they couldn't have done a better job of being completely avoidant of linux/unix/anythingotherthanmicrosoft. in all seriousness, the only place either unix or linux were ever mentioned was as a vocabulary word -- among the slew of other acronyms we had to memorize with essentially constituted a majority of our 'education'. i swear to this day that school was 0wned by microsoft.

    even worse, throughout my entire time there, professors would repeatedly degrade the intelligence of programmers (systems analysis majors) -- as simply 'code monkeys' ... nothing more. very much instilling into students that they were more deserving of being the big dick because they were 'management'

    i left that school with a degree that essentially, to me, means nothing, and reflects little more than a collection of multiple choice tests, little/no technical skills, a slew of acronyms, a taste of "i'm a manager!" fratboy wanker ego.

  43. Business world has its own terms for IT concepts by clymere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't the point they are trying to make, but I have noticed that in the business class I was forced to take, the entire chapter which mentioned computer-based things had many terms which I had never heard of in the IT world. When I pointed this out to my teacher, she asserted that these were the terms the business world used. It would appear that the business world views the IT world form a completely different place than IT views itself, to the point where they have made up their own nonsensical(to me anyways) terms for the exact same concepts. If we can't even agree on what to call things, how could we agree that Linux is a viable strategy for many businesses?

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  44. Re:Not just PHB's by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In fact, it's a terrible interface because of the touchscreens - the crew would have to look down to use the buttons and could never learn the tactile feedback that people currently use with their computer keyboards.

    Uh, why would most of them *need* to be looking anywhere except their consoles ? It's not like they're transcribing letters or the phasers are aimed by moving a set of crosshairs across the main viewscreen.

    Not to mention that according to one of the Enterprise tech manuals, the interfaces that are displayed are completely customisable - information display, control placement, everything (which is a stupid idea from a practical perspective, but is something /. geeks would love).

    Visual touchscreens are great when you don't know what you're doing and need to be led through the interface. They're very slow to use, however, and require attention from multple senses.

    The checkout chicks at my local supermarket absolutely blast through their touch screen interfaces when they package up my groceries. They sure as hell aren't being slowed down by the interface.

    A keyboard with keys you can feel only requires one sense to use. That's why you can type while reading something off the screen.

    You can do that because you memorise where the keys are relative to each other. Once you've done that with a touchscreen, the process is identical. Not, as I said, that it really applies to your example. Bridge crew don't need to be looking anywhere else except *their* consoles. The only information they need to do their jobs will either be displayed on the console, or yelled at them by whoever is in command.

    And talking to the computer to get it to do what you want is no worse than typing it - you still have to remember the right words, and still have all the same problems because essentailly, speaking to a machine is just like typing to it, in terms of it being a one-dimensional stream of data the computer has to parse.

    I guarantee you can talk a lot faster than you can type.

  45. Worse, some THINK they DO get it by Xerp · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You can never put a PHB down, so when they "know about" Linux - thats it, you're dead. Some of them know about the evils of "Open Source" software too. Open Source immediately makes something bad.

    "Whats that you're doing?"
    "Its this great Open Source project - here, check out the url"
    "Why are you using that Open Source crap? *scowl* Can't we buy some proper software? Stop using it now."

    You also get those PHBs who know they don't get it, and will never get it. They hate you because you do get it, and it makes the PHB feel inferior and stupid. It is then his job to put you down and make your life a misery, just like you have done to him.

    It is also this same PHB that will happily run his entire company on pirate copies of the software that he loves so much, when Open Source implementations could legally save him all that money and create a more effective and productive team! I guess he wouldn't be a PHB otherwise... ;) How many times have *you* heard "Lets just buy 1 copy and then we can install that everywhere".

    Personally, I think more education is needed but that is not going to happen with a PHB. A PHB gets his learnin' from banner adds and the gutter press (assuming they can read). Maybe if there were "Linux makes you smarter and better looking" adverts they'd go with it? After all, its just as true as "Microsoft Software helps protect your data against virus attacks"...

  46. Re:Nobody said MS invented computing... by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If windows never existed, then Apple, perhaps even Commodore/Amiga or Atari would have a place in business alongside sun, ibm, dec etc... x86 machines would still be around and mostly running os/2..
    A diversity of systems coupled with the internet would FORCE vendors to adopt cross-platform standards, such standards did not exist in the past because there was little demand for data portability between systems, microsoft is still living in the old days when each vendor created their own systems which weren`t compatible with anything else. There are no standards, the sitation with microsoft is no different than if everyone used macs or everyone used amigas etc, the only sense of standardization comes from dominance..
    The world would be a much better place if all the players had been forced to adopt standards to compete in the modern interconnected world.. Unix did this to some extent atleast, but not far enough in some ways.. That way we could choose the best tool for the job and be guaranteed compatibility with standards, rather than being forced to use the only tool for the job.
    Look at the auto industry, how would you like being forced to drive a yugo because no other cars are allowed on the road you have to drive to work?

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