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A Movie From Before Movies Were Invented
Alien54 writes "Two astronomers at the Lick Observatory on Mt. Hamilton near San Jose have discovered a set of 147 plates taken of the transit of Venus in 1882. They've assembled them into a Quicktime movie! Think about it. This is a movie from before movies were invented. As a point of comparison, Edison didn't get his films going until the 1890s. This is just around the time when Muybridge was doing his work on the motion of horses and people."
I'm pretty sure there's plates of porn somewhere from the 17'th century. They're always the first ones to use new technology.
Looks like the USPTO need to look at any patents on quicktime again!
Yet more prior art discovered.
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If, when they took these plates, it occurred to them that sooner or later someone would do this. There were already animation techniques involving revolving stills (the Zoetrope, for instance).
Its a series of photographs assembled into a movie 116 years later. They didn't make a movie of it at the time. Still cool, though.
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Not quite prior art, but I remember doodling sequential drawings on the page edges of my textbooks... Does it count as parallel development?
This is just around the time when Muybridge was doing his work on the motion of horses and people.
For those who don't know this reference, it is to Eadweard Muybridge, an American immigrant from Britain who created created the first prototypical movie in the 1870, well before Edison or the Lumiere brothers, by having multiple cameras expose in sequence. He was asked to settle a bet on whether all four of a galloping horse's feet are ever all off the ground at the same time.
Venus hasn't aged a bit!
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Its a Quicktime clip made 109 years before Quicktime 1.0 was released! Or at least thats as true as it being a movie made prior to movies being invented.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Use mplayer on Linux then.
Finally!! This has to qualify as prior art? How many patents can we nullify with this kind of evidence?
Apple built a platform for their ideas, Google built one for everyone's.
How about Galielo's Sunspots from 1612. Really, any 2D, time series data can be considered a "movie".
Reanimating the 1882 Transit of Venus
By Anthony Misch
In late 1882, Massachusetts astronomer David Peck Todd traveled to California to photograph the transit of Venus from the summit of Mount Hamilton, where a solar photographic telescope made by the renowned optical firm Alvan Clark & Sons waited among the stacks of bricks and timbers from which Lick Observatory was rising. As the transit unfolded on December 6th, Todd obtained a superb series of plates under perfect skies. His 147 glass negatives were carefully stored in the mountain vault, but as astronomers turned to other techniques for determining the scale of the solar system (see "The Transit of Venus: Tales from the 19th Century," by William Sheehan, Sky & Telescope: May 2004, page 32), the plates lay untouched and were eventually forgotten.
Fast-forward 120 years. Spurred by a reference in one of Todd's letters in Lick's Mary Lea Shane Archives, Bill Sheehan and I found all 147 negatives, still in good condition, at the observatory. To our knowledge, this collection of photos constitutes the most complete surviving record of a historical transit of Venus.
As we looked at Todd's extensive sequence of images, we realized we could turn them into a movie. A similar thought may have occurred to Todd himself, for a number of his contemporaries were already making the first forays into chronophotography -- the recording of sequential motion and the forerunner of cinematography. Indeed, Pierre Jules Janssen invented his famous photographic revolver to capture the 1874 transit of Venus.
Digital imaging technology made reanimating Todd's transit images a comparatively simple undertaking. The result, which premiered at the International Astronomical Union's general assembly in Sydney in July 2003, shows Venus's silhouette flickering strangely as it marches across the Sun's face. It's the shadow-show of an astronomical event that occurred when Queen Victoria sat on the throne of Great Britain and Chester Arthur was president of the United States -- a moving record of an event seen by no one now living, and a preview of what millions will see for the first time on June 8, 2004.
Figures:
http://skyandtelescope.com/mm_images/6469.jpg
Amherst College astronomer David Peck Todd (1855-1939). Courtesy the Mary Lea Shane Archives of Lick Observatory / University of California, Santa Cruz.
http://skyandtelescope.com/mm_images/6465.jpg
The December 6, 1882, transit of Venus was already under way when the Sun rose over Lick Observatory in California and David Peck Todd began photographing the planet's march across the solar disk. Todd's 147 surviving photos, of which these are numbered 11, 88, and 151 (left to right), have been turned into a movie. You can download QuickTime versions in two sizes: 640 x 480 pixels (4.0 megabytes) or 320 x 240 pixels (1.2 megabytes). © 2003 University of California Observatories / Lick Observatory.
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I can't! This damned site told me I was blocking cookies... I'll /. them anyway!
Well, maybe he did (or somebody under his employment did), but he wasn't the first.
Behold the brothers Lumière!
You can't take the sky from me...
Eadweard Muybridge had 'films' of walking nude women and trotting horses sorted in 1878 - in fact, he was the guy that helped Leland Stanford win a bet proving that a horse momentarily has all its hooves off the ground when it runs. I vaguely remember an interactive CD-ROM from the early 90's with this stuff on.
Edisons Kinetoscope was demonstrated in 1891 - a good 13 years later. That said, at the time there was a lot of parallel development going on. It's also hard to quantify what exactly cinema was defined as back then. People were coming at it from all sorts of angles - photography, illustration, zoetropes, etc etc.
Actually, for something truly amazing (but slightly offtopic), have a look at Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii's photos of Russia at the trun of the 19th century. This guy was a bit before his time. He took 3 still images of his subject using black and white film and red, green and blue filters. Then he'd project all three images onto a screen to show people... colour photographs! The site has some absolutely stunning images. Worth a look.
It's a boring news day so we're going to post something crap about a movie made before movies that no one cares about.
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[Muybridge] was asked to settle a bet on whether all four of a galloping horse's feet are ever all off the ground at the same time.
He did settle the bet.
Yes, all four of a galloping horse's feet are off the ground at the same time -- at the moment when all four hooves are underneath the horse, in their most-inward position.
For more info, see my page of Muybridge trivia and links.
-kgj
-kgj
So like bullet time then? So the Matrix is sort of Muybridge Reloaded?
Exactly.
Now all we need is a time machine that can go back to Muybridge's era, so we can kill Keanu Reeves' great-grandfather.
No, wait -- wrong time-slip, I'm thinking of the Terminator -- okay, we go back in time and kill Schwartzenegger's grandfather.
-kgj
-kgj
It would be nice if someone would put up a BitTorrent link... These guys may not have the bandwidth to distribute this thing...
There were lost plates at the beginning that suggested we might head for the barn to consume some Feltmen's Intestine-Wrapped Weiner Meats.
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Reanimating the 2004 Slashdotting of www.scyandtelescone.com
How about letting their poor sysadmin reanimate the webserver? Kiss of life!
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Reminds me of this guy: Russian color photos before color film
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If you ever visit the Lick Observatory, they have pictures that show how the tiny town of San Jose that existed when the Observatory was built has grown so large. Of course, this causes problems with light pollution. Part of their solution was an agreement with the city in 1980 to use low-pressure sodium lights that the observatory can more easily filter out.
p eration2.html
http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/public/lighting/Coo
Everyone who visits me notices that the lights in San Jose are "different" and "weird;" it took visiting the Observatory to find out why.
By the way, if you want to visit the Lick and look through the telescopes, they have summer tours that I recommend. Not only do you get to look through the telescopes and learn a lot about astronomy and the history of the Observatory, there are amazing (and even romantic) night-time views of the Bay Area. (They normally discourage night-time visits because the car headlights interfere with the telescopes.) There's a lottery for it because it is so popular:
http://www.ucolick.org/public/sumvispro.html
Joey
Wow. That is simply amazing.
The Slashdot effect has become so powerful, it can not travel back in time and knock things off the net before they are invented!
There are two kinds of fool. One says, This is old, and therefore good. And one says, This is new, and therefore better.
Transits of Venus -- in which the planet crosses the face of the Sun as seen from Earth -- are rare events. They occur in pairs, eight years apart, with gaps of roughly 120 years between pairs. The last pair was 1874 and 1882, so this movie shows the most recent transit.
However, the next transit is in just a few months, on June 8, 2004. It will be visible from Europe, but only the tail end can be seen from North America. If you miss this one, the next is in June of 2012.
Transits were very important to astronomers in the past because they offered an opportunity to measure the distance between the Earth and the Sun; that, in turn, yielded the distance between Earth and every planet in the solar system. I've written a document explaining how transits of Venus could be used to determine the size of the solar system. It includes a little history, too. Look at
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys235/venus_t/venus _t.html
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Can you find one of Mickey Mouse before he was invented? I really want to piss off Disney for extending the copyright to keep their damn rodent.
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This is the second time this week I've seen someone compare an early film to when Edison was working. Apart from being famous for abusing the patent system what has Edison got to do with early movies?!
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
And wmp isn't??
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and the drive/ride up to the top of the mountain is absolutely gorgeous.
in this age of communication i'm just not getting through
I was just wondering...: Can they copyright this stuff (that is, the movie), so long after the actual photos were taken...?
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This has been done with Galileo's sunspot drawings
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http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Things/g_s
That source material predates this by centuries
and if she refused he just cracked her over the head
Before there were all the social taboos brought about by organized religion, women were often happy to have sex. Check out the history of the Tahitians, for example. Biologically speaking, boys and girls like to get naked together and fool around. It's only church opression that makes us think of it as something men need to beg for and women should avoid (or be labled a whore).
Cheers.
Lots of links here http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EdwardTufte
I also recall someone recreating audio from the thousands of years ago from the grooves cut by a potter in the pot he/she was throwing on a wheel. Essentially the pot and it's grooves acted as a recording device in the same way that the groves in vinyl do (did!).
Rich people are eccentric. Poor people are strange. Me, I'd be happy with odd.
In the same vein as making movies before actual movies, see also the great photographs of Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii.
He took pictures using color filters on 3 different cameras, and then used 3 candlelight projectors to recombine the the image in one color picture.
Pretty neat stuff, here is the link.
Bare in mind that all those color pictures are pre-1900, which I personally find absolutely incredible, because to me black-white means old, and suddenly seeing landscapes and people in color, somehow makes them more real.
Murphy(c)
The stuff really ought to be cataloged and put on display. Some of it is priceless.
Aside from James Licks' body being buried under the base of the 36" telescope, back in the archive storage that have a lot of interesting things from history. Like some of the equipment used for the experiment which established that the speed of light was a constant in a vacuum. The actual seismic records from the San Francisco Earthquake. I've forgotten what else; but those things stand out. It's a huge storage area up there.
Plus they have a copy of UC Berkeley's student records. It's used as a safe place in case of disaster. Also, James Licks' deathbed is there too. And the safe they have is straight from the 1800's.
In case any two-bit crackers are thinking about breaking in and exploring it, forget about it. Security is excellent up there. I busted a clueless group once myself. And the cops they have are real aggressive hard-asses.
I remember seeing an animation of Abraham Lincoln made from several portraits of him at different angles. I'm thinking that the same thing could be done of any popular subject which has had multiple pictures taken of it.
Brief: Although the world that the author has created is rich and compelling, the story arc falls flat in the third act.
Ideas don't belong to anyone
Im sure that someone was flippping pages or looking at sequences of drawings before movies were "invented". The idea of "invention" is really a property of the western history media machine. The fist to get attention is the one who is credited. Its just the natural progression of looking at sequences of numbers to looking at sequences of pictures. Of couse, I might have hindsight bias.
I wonder how long this took to encode on the Analytical Engine?
Tesla originally worked for Edison, but they had a bit of a falling out. Eventually they were both competing in the power market, with Tesla selling AC current and Edison selling DC. AC has a lot of advantages for power transmision, but that didn't stop Edison from embarking on a campaign to discredit AC power. He electrocuted dogs and cats with AC current in public demonstrations intended to show how dangerous AC power was.
During the construction of Luna Park on Coney island, an elephant used as a beast of burden killed a couple of people. Topsy, as she was called, was condemned to death. However, there was a wee bit of a problem. Elephants aren't the easiest critters to kill. Edison, being the generous person he was, gladly volunteered to execute the elephant with AC current, and filmed the whole thing. He showed that film "Electrocuting an Elephant" (1903) publically on many occasions and I am sure more than a few stray cats and dogs escaped a crispy fate thanks to that film. It is still possible to track down copies of "Electrocuting an Elephant" today. Please be warned that it's a rather gruesome little piece of history, and is not for the faint of heart, or SPCA members.
The Zoetrope predates this example of moving pictures by quite a bit. It is an animation device invented in 1834 by William George Horner. Maybe you've seen one before: a cylinder with pictures inside and slits that you look through as you spin it.
Only a Brit would be sure to point out the Brit heritage of the guy. Kind of like how Australians say things like "Australia's very own Russell Crowe!", etc, like it matters...oh well, whatever makes them feel better about their history.
I complained to the webmaster last time there was a Sky and Telescope link and got a snotty reply. Obviously no one there really cares much abotu understanding the technology.
Infuriate left and right
...not exactly porn, these undraped ladies are gracefully bending over to lift urns and things like that, but nevertheless I personally would be more interested in reanimations of those lovely Venuses than in reanimations of the planet Venus.
The book was better.
Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice.
An Anonymous coward posted this link, but since it did not make it above the noise, here is the link to the news story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2481749.s tm
Friday, 15 November, 2002 - A 700-year-old fresco bearing an uncanny resemblance to Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse has been discovered in Austria. The mouse figure was unearthed by an art historian working on the church in the southern village of Malta. Click here to see the image of the fresco in full The figure bears an enormous resemblance to Walt Disney's famous mouse to this 14th Century figure. Art historians are claiming the discovery could mean the end of Disney's copyright on the character.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Yeah, 120 years sounds about right for the time for that program to load and start playing.
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ancient artifact
modern smut
Coincidence?
Who helped teach 2 award academy award winning DOPs, & he reckons the French were the 1st to develop practical movie picture technology.
Cellular animation has been a round for centuries. People painted little animations on lamp shades and spun them. You can buy such in novelty stores today.
A popular 19th century lecture circuit entertainment was the scroll-movie narration. A scrolling of up to a mile long was unwound behind a narrator. Frequently these were travelogues of exotic places like the western US.
I don't think there was a dispute that all 4 hoofs are off the ground at one time in the canter/gallop .... The problem would have been one of determining if all 4 hoofs were off the ground at one time at the trot.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
-kgj
-kgj